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TOPIC: How Simple Quantity Tables Elucidate the Digital Analog Question by Peter van Gaalen [refresh]

This essay analyzes the dimensions of the physical quantities. Planck units are used as identifyers of the physical quantities. Quantity tables reveal interesting patterns like alternating scalar and vector quantities. This essay advocates that Nature is fundamentally continuous and that phase is responsible for the fact that certain physical quantities can take only a countable set of discrete values. The introduction of phase leads from a relativistic classical mechanics to a relativistic quantum mechanics. In a somewhat broken analogy we can say that continuous media like water or gas also produce discrete physical objects like dropplets or bubbles. Interesting is the finding of a quadratic metric as the very essence of the Maxwell equations. If we 'throw' this pure electromagnetic metric into the pure gravitomagnetic metric then the result are the Maxwell equations. Also interesting is the finding that the fine structure constant is the ratio of two different planck constants. Because of the introduction of new quantities I often use the names of the quantities instead of their symbols.

My name is Peter van Gaalen. I studied biology at Leiden university in The Netherlands.

Dear Peter,

This looks like an interesting essay with a lot of mathematical detail. I need to read it carefully. I agree that Quaternionic and Octonionic algebras could be part of a TOE. You have enumerated many different physical units of potential importance. I think that each distinct "unit" corresponds to a distinct "dimension".

You rewrote G as G/c, but I think that the more interesting ratio is the dimensionless Dirac Large Number of 10^41 ~ 2*pi/(G*h*c*m_p*m_e). Likewise. the Fine Structure Constant is dimensionless. These dimensionless combinations of physical units help define our Scale, and help define which units have a simple inverse (such as delta(E)*delta(t)~h) or reciprocal lattice (in my essay) relationship.

Check out my essay at topic #816. Our conclusions are different, but I think that our approaches are related.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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This looks like an interesting essay with a lot of mathematical detail. I need to read it carefully. I agree that Quaternionic and Octonionic algebras could be part of a TOE. You have enumerated many different physical units of potential importance. I think that each distinct "unit" corresponds to a distinct "dimension".

You rewrote G as G/c, but I think that the more interesting ratio is the dimensionless Dirac Large Number of 10^41 ~ 2*pi/(G*h*c*m_p*m_e). Likewise. the Fine Structure Constant is dimensionless. These dimensionless combinations of physical units help define our Scale, and help define which units have a simple inverse (such as delta(E)*delta(t)~h) or reciprocal lattice (in my essay) relationship.

Check out my essay at topic #816. Our conclusions are different, but I think that our approaches are related.

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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Hi Ray,

Nice to hear from you.

There is no difference between G and c. Both are constants and therefore both display relativistic effects in the spacetime-massmomentum continuum as was shown by Einstein in his General Theory of Relativity. c is the 'relativistic membrane' between time and length, but also between length and gm-flux and between gm-flux and burst. G/c is the 'relativistic membrane' between time and instant, between length and string, gmflux and mass, burst and momentum. The Dirac Large Number isn't like the contstants c and G.

The tables with the quantities have the purpose to visualize the mathematical quantities. In a simple manner you can see patterns between the different physical quantities.

One of the most important results is to recognize that there are only two pure electromagnetic quantities: electric charge and electromagnetic flux. All other electromagnetic quantities are derivations of those two. For example: the vector potential (in the table: electromagnetic vector potential A), the scalar potential (in the table the 'electric scalar potential' V. This quantity is analogous with the gravitational potential (in the table 'gravitational scalar potential')), the electric field (in the table 'electric fieldstrength'), the magnetic field (in the table 'magnetic induction') and magnetic fieldstrength H. All those 5 quantities are mixed quantities: combinations of the 2 pure quantities electric charge or electromagnetic flux together with quantities from the gravitomagnetic system: time and length.

vector potential = magnetic flux / length.

scalar potential = magnetic flux/time.

magnetic field = magnetic flux / area.

electric field = magnetic flux/(length x time).

magnetic fieldstrength = electric charge/(length x time).

The Maxwell equations use the magnetic field and the electric field. I think this is not elucidating the underlying pattern. it is better to write the Maxwell equations with the electric field E and the magnetic fieldstrength H. In this way we see the underlying pattern:

electric charge^2 plus electromagnetic flux^2 = 0.

Also interesting are the table in relation to the four-vectors, Four-vectors are composed of relativistic quantities. In this way all four quantities of a four vector have the same dimension. (On page 8 and 9 of my essay the difference between non-relativistic quantities and relativistic quantities are explained.) Electromagnetic four potential = (scalar potential, vector potential_xyz) or in the table (electric scalar potential, electromagnetic vector potential) four-vector in minkowski space = (time, length_xyz)

four velocity = (dimensionles, velocity_xyz)

four acceleration = (gravitomagnetic induction, acceleration_xyz)

four momentum = (mass, momentum_xyz)

four force = (gravitomagnetic potential, momentum_xyz)

I will check out your essay!

Nice to hear from you.

There is no difference between G and c. Both are constants and therefore both display relativistic effects in the spacetime-massmomentum continuum as was shown by Einstein in his General Theory of Relativity. c is the 'relativistic membrane' between time and length, but also between length and gm-flux and between gm-flux and burst. G/c is the 'relativistic membrane' between time and instant, between length and string, gmflux and mass, burst and momentum. The Dirac Large Number isn't like the contstants c and G.

The tables with the quantities have the purpose to visualize the mathematical quantities. In a simple manner you can see patterns between the different physical quantities.

One of the most important results is to recognize that there are only two pure electromagnetic quantities: electric charge and electromagnetic flux. All other electromagnetic quantities are derivations of those two. For example: the vector potential (in the table: electromagnetic vector potential A), the scalar potential (in the table the 'electric scalar potential' V. This quantity is analogous with the gravitational potential (in the table 'gravitational scalar potential')), the electric field (in the table 'electric fieldstrength'), the magnetic field (in the table 'magnetic induction') and magnetic fieldstrength H. All those 5 quantities are mixed quantities: combinations of the 2 pure quantities electric charge or electromagnetic flux together with quantities from the gravitomagnetic system: time and length.

vector potential = magnetic flux / length.

scalar potential = magnetic flux/time.

magnetic field = magnetic flux / area.

electric field = magnetic flux/(length x time).

magnetic fieldstrength = electric charge/(length x time).

The Maxwell equations use the magnetic field and the electric field. I think this is not elucidating the underlying pattern. it is better to write the Maxwell equations with the electric field E and the magnetic fieldstrength H. In this way we see the underlying pattern:

electric charge^2 plus electromagnetic flux^2 = 0.

Also interesting are the table in relation to the four-vectors, Four-vectors are composed of relativistic quantities. In this way all four quantities of a four vector have the same dimension. (On page 8 and 9 of my essay the difference between non-relativistic quantities and relativistic quantities are explained.) Electromagnetic four potential = (scalar potential, vector potential_xyz) or in the table (electric scalar potential, electromagnetic vector potential) four-vector in minkowski space = (time, length_xyz)

four velocity = (dimensionles, velocity_xyz)

four acceleration = (gravitomagnetic induction, acceleration_xyz)

four momentum = (mass, momentum_xyz)

four force = (gravitomagnetic potential, momentum_xyz)

I will check out your essay!

Dear Peter van Gaalen,

Thank you for visiting my page. In fact, we have the different views about Nature, your essay advocates that Nature is fundamentally continuous, and my essay - discontinuous. Although, since you accept the existence of Planck units (Planck scale), you must accept also the discrete spacetime. Do you think the Planck scale (foam) is compatible with continuous description of reality?

Sincerely,

Constantin

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Thank you for visiting my page. In fact, we have the different views about Nature, your essay advocates that Nature is fundamentally continuous, and my essay - discontinuous. Although, since you accept the existence of Planck units (Planck scale), you must accept also the discrete spacetime. Do you think the Planck scale (foam) is compatible with continuous description of reality?

Sincerely,

Constantin

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Dear Peter and Constantin,

I think we are on convergent paths.

It seems to me that Constantin's Hole Theory began as a Classical Vacuum, but we now recognize that a quantum hole is most logical (to exclude the infrared divergence, neutrinos, etc.). I think that a Spacetime lattice prevents the Black Hole mass from ever reaching the singularity, and one of Constantin's holes exists as a lattice defect at the anticipated location of the singularity. Can we use these spacetime holes for interstallar travel? I do not know...

Although Peter's analysis of units implies continuous values, the conflict between "wooden" and "marble" quantities, and the reality of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle implies something like my reciprocal lattices of dynamic variables (such as position and momentum) - where one lattice seems discrete and the other lattice seems continuous (remember that a very large number of overlapping discrete states can appear continuous).

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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I think we are on convergent paths.

It seems to me that Constantin's Hole Theory began as a Classical Vacuum, but we now recognize that a quantum hole is most logical (to exclude the infrared divergence, neutrinos, etc.). I think that a Spacetime lattice prevents the Black Hole mass from ever reaching the singularity, and one of Constantin's holes exists as a lattice defect at the anticipated location of the singularity. Can we use these spacetime holes for interstallar travel? I do not know...

Although Peter's analysis of units implies continuous values, the conflict between "wooden" and "marble" quantities, and the reality of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle implies something like my reciprocal lattices of dynamic variables (such as position and momentum) - where one lattice seems discrete and the other lattice seems continuous (remember that a very large number of overlapping discrete states can appear continuous).

Have Fun!

Dr. Cosmic Ray

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Dear Constantin,

We make only models of reality in our head to describe empirical reality. Some physical models are continuous and some physical models are discrete and some models are both. To say that reality is continuous or that reality is discrete is useless. We only have our models of reality. And sometimes our models can predict some properties or some phenomena. The model that...

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We make only models of reality in our head to describe empirical reality. Some physical models are continuous and some physical models are discrete and some models are both. To say that reality is continuous or that reality is discrete is useless. We only have our models of reality. And sometimes our models can predict some properties or some phenomena. The model that...

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