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October 21, 2019

CATEGORY: What's Ultimately Possible in Physics? Essay Contest (2009) [back]
TOPIC: From Chaos To Consciousness by Basileios Grispos [refresh]
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Author BASILEIOS GRISPOS wrote on Sep. 24, 2009 @ 11:30 GMT
Essay Abstract

An ultimate theory for physics would illuminate the ways that nature works to organize the various levels of the physical material world – from quarks and gluons to complex adaptive systems and finally to conscious awareness. The formulation of an axiomatic, space-less and timeless Goedelian Physical Theory (Sixth Hilbert Problem) will describe the latent phase of particles and forces.

Author Bio

Mechanical and Electrical Engineer(March 1972) of National Technical University of Athens (NTUA) and Master in Energy Technology (June 1992) of Ecole Polythecnique Federal de Lausanne (EPFL), working as consultant engineer. Diploma in Physics (June 2000) of National & Kapodistrian University of Athens. Physics research.

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Florin Moldoveanu wrote on Sep. 24, 2009 @ 22:17 GMT
Dear BASILEIOS GRISPOS,

You are right in your expectation of solving Hilbert sixth problem. Please see my essay “Heuristic rule for constructing physics axiomatization” for how to actually do it. There are already significant mathematical results along this road and in particular one can already prove how quantum mechanics arises in our world, along with space-time in exactly 3+1 dimensions and the electroweak symmetry. Obtaining the strong force symmetry is a very encouraging (unpublished) work in progress while the first attempt of axiomatizing the Standard Model was obtained in the difficult field of non-commuting geometry, but needs to be reworked.

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narendra nath wrote on Sep. 25, 2009 @ 06:37 GMT
i agree with my greek friend that philosophically religions of the world tackledthe problem of the origin of the universe reasonably well in the times when science was experimentally weak. Indian as well as other asian religions also contain such postulates. To the four elements mentioned by the greek author, it may be relevant for him to know that ancient indian scriptures about 5000 yeras back, mention five elements, the additional one was called 'Akash' or what may be considered as a non-physical entity best signified as great void. That lends significance to the vacuum state. In fact this element pervades the other four called fire, air, water and earth. Thus it can well be associated with universal consciousness/cosmic one, in contrast to the individual consciousness.

The mathematical treatment of the learned author takes a few variables and may be, assumes some boundary values and proceeds like many others, including Florin, the other commentator. i wish both of them the best of good wishes in their respective endevours.

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Steve Dufourny wrote on Sep. 25, 2009 @ 10:52 GMT
Hello Mr BASILEIOS GRISPOS ,

It's a verry beautiful essay ,so spiritual .

I liked the whole and the rule of matters with the universal conscious .

The protozoars are fascinatings and their adaptability is incredible .

We are all unicells ,evolved .

I am fascinated by these amibes .When we see the cellular division ,we see a kind of immortality ...these amibes...

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Narendra Nath wrote on Sep. 28, 2009 @ 07:11 GMT
i forgot to mention another suggestion that is contained at the end of my essay too. It is to strike a close collaboration between physical and life sciences.The birth and eventual death of a universe has a reflection on the birth, life and death of all living beings. Recent discovery that an individual human cell possesses a very strong electric field, higher than that of a membrane containing million of cells, and that each cell can communicate with other cells,provides a scope to study the secrets of nature. If Physics just not provide only the instruments to study life sciences but interacts directly with life science studies, one can work better models to study the mysteries of nature that are still defying answers!

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BASILEIOS GRISPOS wrote on Sep. 29, 2009 @ 07:30 GMT
Dear Florin Mokloveanu

Thank you very much for your comments. I have read your article and I found it very interesting.

Please keep me inform about your work.

Best regards

B. Grispos

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BASILEIOS GRISPOS wrote on Sep. 29, 2009 @ 07:39 GMT
Dear Marenda Noath.

I believe we can learn a lot of things by studying ancient religions.I agree with you that the only answer to the question what existed before Big Bang is the permanent existence of the universe .Don’t wary about the anisotropy of background microwave radiation. We can cope with this problem, once we have the whole picture of the Universe.

Thank you very much for your comments and wishes.

Best regards

B. Grispos

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BASILEIOS GRISPOS wrote on Sep. 29, 2009 @ 07:40 GMT
Dear Steve

I am flatter with your comments. You gave me courage and a lot of interesting information to continue with my work. I was amazed with your plan. Looking forward to hear more from you.

Best regards

B. Grispos

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Steve Dufourny wrote on Sep. 29, 2009 @ 17:27 GMT
Dear Mr Basileios Grispos,

Thanks you very much ,I am touched by your words .It's very nice .

Thanks still .

sincerely

Steve

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Owen Cunningham wrote on Oct. 6, 2009 @ 17:21 GMT
A copy of this message is being left in each thread of the essay contest forum.

Submitters: Tired of constantly checking the FQXI site to see how your paper's doing in the rankings? I've written a simple program that periodically checks the FQXI site and sends you an email if the status of your paper has changed in any way. Here is a sample email:

The following changes were detected in the status of your paper:

* Number of posts in discussion forum went from 0 to 20.

* Community rating went from 0 to 3.4.

* Community vote count went from 0 to 10.

* Public rating went from 0 to 4.3.

* Public vote count went from 0 to 6.

* Community ranking went from being in 0th place to being tied for 16th out of 112.

* Public ranking went from being in 0th place to being tied for 19th out of 112.

You just run the program once, in a command prompt window, and then minimize that window and let it do its thing in the background.

If you're interested in a copy (with source for those who care) drop me a note at ramblinplan@yahoo.com.

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P.S. This program requires Windows and the .NET Framework. It has been tested only on Windows XP Service Pack 3 running .NET Framework 3.5, but has a good chance of working with earlier versions.

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Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Oct. 10, 2009 @ 22:15 GMT
Dear Grispos,

Thank you for addressing consciousness in your essay. I am of the opinion that physics must address this issue.

In your essay you note that an ultimate theory for physics would illuminate the ways that nature works to organize the various level...from quarks...to conscious awareness.

I agree with you that one of the two main problems remaining is to explain "the emergence of consciousness", and , specifically, "how does consciousness come out of elementary particles?"

At this point it should be remarked that, for at least a century, no one has been able to propose any theory at all that would explain how particles become aware or give rise to awareness. Many believe this mystery will never be explained. It is easy to construct logical automata from basic materials -- proteins, silicon, or neural nets -- and simple to describe "learning principles" whereby features are recognized and information is stored and recalled.

But it has been to date impossible to conceive of any way in which awareness, awareness of self, of others, of beauty, of evil, of justice, of color, of anything. And even less, of a means of attributing "free will" or "volition", the ability to spontaneously act.

At some point one must ask whether we are going about things wrong.

Instead of continuing to beat our heads against the hard fact that no one has any idea how to make matter aware, why not investigate new approaches. For example, in 2006, having worked on the problem for many years, I finally convinced myself that consciousness is best conceived as a "field", rather than an "add-on" to material constructions (the 'Lego block' approach).

I then asked myself how, if consciousness is a field, would it exert force in a physical world, as when I raise my arm. To my surprise it did not take much guessing to arrive at a fascinating conclusion, and an outline of this is in my essay. For three years I have encountered more and more success with this approach, and no one has been able to 'shoot it down'. I invite you to read my essay in hopes it may be of use to you.

Thanks again for bringing the problem of consciousness into this physics contest.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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NNath wrote on Oct. 13, 2009 @ 16:34 GMT
Dear Edwin,

your comment last is pleasing. Please try to evolve some experiments that directly test your theory of gravity cum consciousness determining the properties of the physical universe. essay by Tejinder Singh and my own in a small way, indicate such possibilities but none is able to come out with specific experimental checks for consciousness straightaway. As yours is the only theory taking these two only into account, you are the right person to identify some experimental persuits that may help confirmation for such an approach.

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Anonymous wrote on Oct. 14, 2009 @ 18:47 GMT
Dear Basileios Grispos,

The pre existing chaos is mainly due to the mathematical inconsistency with geometry in resolving fine structure constant. That is why we are unable to explain the cosmic consciousness in physically. The biological consciousness is limited as the evolution of biological systems is in locality rather than in universality. Thereby we need a steady-state universe along with space-time that describes cosmic consciousness as coherent dynamics of the cosmic-matrix of matters in the universe, intrinsically; it's good, thank you ..

With best wishes,

Jayakar

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Steve Dufourny wrote on Oct. 15, 2009 @ 18:25 GMT
Hi dear all ,

It's beautiful what you write about consciousness.

Our eyes show us so many beautiful creations around us ,our feelings ,our hearts ,our minds resent this universality .

Probably that the consciousness increases ,when we see the evolution ,thus the mass and density too are linked.

Probably that the intelligence is linked with this consciousness.

Probably too that a brain system is necessary too,volume,numbers of synaps....

The time too is important ,

when is appeared the consciousness on Earth?I doubt about the tyranosorus hihihi they didn't have a conscious it's sure...our first cells ,it's the same ,even the first mammalians...perhaps it's specific to human or mammiferes .

And the vegetal reign ,what is its consciousness ,

and in the center of our Earth ,there it's relevant perhaps about the encoded informations and interactions.

Probably that the informations are encoded in the strong interactions after an information of consciousness ....the information and its ubiquity .

In all case it's fascinating ,we aren't on Earth for nothing ,fortunally .We are catalyzers of this universal consciousness.

Thanks to all for this kind of discussions .We can't understand the sciences without this consciousness ,fortunally ,it's a driving force of the universal love and its creations .

Best Regards

Steve

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Jayakar Johnson Joseph wrote on Oct. 19, 2009 @ 18:15 GMT
Dear reader,

Identity of the writer for the post, 'Anonymous wrote on Oct. 14, 2009 @ 18:47 GMT', is same as this.

Regretting for the error.

Yours jayakar

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H. Theodosis wrote on Nov. 4, 2009 @ 12:01 GMT
Dear Basileios,

I truly believe your paper is a real tour-de force: not too technical, not too popularized, covers most of the topics an inquiring mind might agonize over in a most unified hierarchical fashion. I think I will never look at physical systems of any complexity in the same fashion as before.

Thanks for sharing your insights with us.

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