It's becoming clear that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr....

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It's becoming clear that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of language. A machine with primary consciousness will probably have to come first.

The thing I find special about the TNGS is the Darwin series of automata created at the Neurosciences Institute by Dr. Edelman and his colleagues in the 1990's and 2000's. These machines perform in the real world, not in a restricted simulated world, and display convincing physical behavior indicative of higher psychological functions necessary for consciousness, such as perceptual categorization, memory, and learning. They are based on realistic models of the parts of the biological brain that the theory claims subserve these functions. The extended TNGS allows for the emergence of consciousness based only on further evolutionary development of the brain areas responsible for these functions, in a parsimonious way. No other research I've encountered is anywhere near as convincing.

I post because on almost every video and article about the brain and consciousness that I encounter, the attitude seems to be that we still know next to nothing about how the brain and consciousness work; that there's lots of data but no unifying theory. I believe the extended TNGS is that theory. My motivation is to keep that theory in front of the public. And obviously, I consider it the route to a truly conscious machine, primary and higher-order.

My advice to people who want to create a conscious machine is to seriously ground themselves in the extended TNGS and the Darwin automata first, and proceed from there, by applying to Jeff Krichmar's lab at UC Irvine, possibly. Dr. Edelman's roadmap to a conscious machine is at https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.10461

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Hi , let s try to generalise this hard problems of consciousness in linking the known dats and the unknowns and in trying to imagine extrapolations to formalise all this and for the computing.

The works of Penrose, Hameroff , Diosi and these microtubules and collapse are an interesting point even if we need to superimpose these deeper fields and informations probably. But it is like a...

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Hi , let s try to generalise this hard problems of consciousness in linking the known dats and the unknowns and in trying to imagine extrapolations to formalise all this and for the computing.

The works of Penrose, Hameroff , Diosi and these microtubules and collapse are an interesting point even if we need to superimpose these deeper fields and informations probably. But it is like a sphere of ideas , a model which can be linked with the others.

The microtubules are fascinating and the kinesin too and the proteinic systems are a key too if they are computed correctly .There are too interesting secrets to discover in the DNA because after all the main informations have been encoded there creating these biological bodies and their complexity. We return alwyas at these main informations but unfortunally we have always these limitations too.

The neural activity is a key too with the synaptic systems, the signals and interactions and developments of these neural activities need too to be considered . The central nervous system implies a kind of cloud of oscillations with specific frequences, amplitudes,phases and it seems interesting to correlate with the informations and their sortings, superimposings , synchronisations, it is there that if my reasoning is correct about the spherical volumes for the particles, there are interesting roads about these densities and the informations , in considering the works of shannon, gibbs and von neumann. This can be even correlated with the memory and the cognitive sciences. Even with the different states , levels of consciousness.

The real difficulty that said is to compute all this with our actual known systems for these computers .But it is possible to mimamte.It is not just about resonances and oscillations but about probably these spherical volumes, their densities and timelifes about their motions, oscillations.

If we consider now the senses , the attention, the memory, the informations,the stimuli,the adaptation considering darwin and lamarck for the will, this free will so can be better understood if the signals are ranked, and these ocillations and encodings. We have really interesting roads about these informations and why they are encoded or not and where considering the different levels of consciousness. We arrive at deep philosophical and spiritual questions even considering how are encoded, sorted, synchronised these informations. They can be ranked too these informations.

These ideas can be linked with the signals and activations of excitations with the thalamocortical system. That becomes intersting so to analyuse the entropy and the orders and disorders with the oscillations , resonances and the spherical volumes in motions oscillations and so the stability or diseases even can be understood.I have had epilepsy like I told you and it is mainly about this reasoning and the disorders. The levels of consciousness too can be better understood in considering the frequences probably and in considering like I told you too these depper fields ,and the philosophy of origin of the universe because there is something to analyse there about the leves of consciousness. There are many levels of consciousness and the body mind soul problem too can be correlated, extrapolated philosophically.

The subcortical system too can be studied .

The senory systems like I explained seems a key too, because without senses, feelings, emotions, environments, interactions, encodings, adaptations....we cannot be conscious. The receptors , the signals, the informations in function of our memory and adaptations so become a key too to compute , it is important to consider this cortex system in communication with the other systems explained before in this post.And of course this sense and the enodings of informations are important but the real questions if this free will and why we encode informations and others no in function of who we are too, so these adaptations too are essential to compute in considering the differences and the aim is to know why .

The fields are important so indeed but are just emergent properties of oscilating spherical volumes in motions at this quantum level for me and we return at these collapsings and like we know all we need probably to understanjd better this philosophical origin of the universe and this quantum gravitation and these new scalar fields.

The spirituality and the philosophy so become important topics to consider because linked even with what we encode and where we encode, we can even extrapolate thes einformations and their importances with the spherical volumes and the body mind soul problem is interesting in this case. All is a question of attention, senses , informations but about the biological results cited in this post like receptors , the microtubules, the cortical and neuronal systems.....

The consciousness for me is not just what we know in analysing the biology, chenmistry and the physics known , there are these deeeper parameters to consider to really understand why these systems knowns permit this consciousness with these main codes from these deeper paramaters, It is like our higgs fields activated because photons and the cold dark matter probably are encoded in this space vacuum of the DE , we have the same kind of reasoning for the unknowns fields at this quantum level and the same for this consciousness , the emergent properties actually known are not sufficient, they just give us effects , not the cause.

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