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Abstract: I do not share the feeling that consciousness (whatever this means) cannot be understood in the context of the known physical laws. So far we do not understand it well, but neither do we fully understand thunderstorms, for that matter. I offer three small contributions in the direction of a direct naturalistic account of consciousness: (i) a purely physical account of agency and the openness of the future, which traces the source of information to past low entropy; (ii) a purely physical basis for a simple notion of "meaning"; and (iii) a suggestion that current understanding of quantum matter (without need of panpsychism) weakens the apparent hiatus between the mental and the physical.
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I also "do not share the feeling that consciousness (whatever this means) cannot be understood in the context of the known physical laws." I wrote an entire book about this, thirty years ago, as a rebuttal to Roger Penrose's book "The Emperor's New Mind."
(i) It is the nature and amount of information, rather than its source, that really matters in "a purely physical account of agency"
(ii) "Meaning" is extrinsically attached to intrinsic "information" derived from "observation." "Information" is about the nature of the "emission", not the nature (or entropy) of the "emitter" that produced the emission. The emission (signal) is the only thing that can actually be observed.
(iii) There is ultimately no difference between the "quantum" and "classical" realms. The perceived difference is entirely due to physicists unfamiliarity with the behavior of entities that manifest only one-single-bit-of-information (quantum realm), rather than more than one (classical realm).
Rob McEachern
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(i) It is the nature and amount of information, rather than its source, that really matters in "a purely physical account of agency"
(ii) "Meaning" is extrinsically attached to intrinsic "information" derived from "observation." "Information" is about the nature of the "emission", not the nature (or entropy) of the "emitter" that produced the emission. The emission (signal) is the only thing that can actually be observed.
(iii) There is ultimately no difference between the "quantum" and "classical" realms. The perceived difference is entirely due to physicists unfamiliarity with the behavior of entities that manifest only one-single-bit-of-information (quantum realm), rather than more than one (classical realm).
Rob McEachern
Hi all,
I would like to add one more point here in different context:
In the disease of scizophrenia person feels bodyless which indicates that soul exists and whatever written in Hindu philosophy is correct !
Prasad Divate
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I would like to add one more point here in different context:
In the disease of scizophrenia person feels bodyless which indicates that soul exists and whatever written in Hindu philosophy is correct !
Prasad Divate
We can probably say a lot more about the content of consciousness. But we never get any closer to 'explaining' the actual awareness of that content.
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