Let's be honest. The science community is not going to confirm or validate anything like a soul or an afterlife. If they had that kind of information, they would use it to make our lives even less bearable!
Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 24, 2020 @ 10:20 GMT
to be frank, the fact to tell that you have had experiences with god are not logic, I have been in the coma and I beleive in a god of spinoza in respecting the determinism, I have read like I told you all the sacred books and many books of philosophy, you don t imagine all the books that I have read. What I tell is that God is beyond our understanding and that this thing if it exists creates a project in optimisation probably and that nobody has power of connections or others, it is even not deterministic to think like that and also that can imply a kind of syndrom of elected , we are not jesus, and it is not a competition for the person understanding better the universal love, of course it exists persons more conscious than the others, but we are not special with special gifts from god, no , we are all in the same boat, creations evolving and created to utilise their consciousness to help the other lifes or to improve what we can improve respecting these universal laws, we arrive so at this vanity still when persons think they are elected or better, it is even dangerous for me
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 05:20 GMT
Hi Steve,
I feel like you're trying to convince me to abandon my intelligent point of view that is very much based in many solid experiences, reason, mathematics, compassion, etc., and believe your... "belief system". But the truth is, I would have to analyze your words very carefully, and I have to warn you that you might be offended by what I have to say, and that is even if I say it nicely and try not to hurt your feelings.
You have to understand that I grade other people's belief system, from 1 to 10, on a bullshit meter. And as someone who has been shown how the universe is put together by the Creator, I do take disrespect towards the Creator very seriously and mark you point of view as increasingly irrelevant when you do not show proper respect towards the Creator.
When you say things like "God is beyond our understanding and that this thing if it exists creates a project in optimisation ..." I have to refer you to the word, "vanity" definition #2.
I feel like I should apologize for what might hurt your feelings, but when I read what you're trying to say, I just don't get the gist of it. Yes, I know you don't like guns because you think we're supposed to evolve past violence by allowing other people to commit violence against us without defense. I also understand that you don't like Capitalism because people are psychologically harmed by having to "get a fricken job".
I'm going to have to treat your feelings like they're special. And just say that you should try to understand what Republicans, Capitalists and Christians are trying to teach you. You could learn something that is valuable and helpful to you in terms of your overall happiness.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 09:21 GMT
Hi Jason, I am not offensed , I have just explained how I see this thing that nobody can define, I have also explained that I have read all the sacred books when I was younger , like many books of philosophy, I respect your catholicism and capitalism, I just consider that all is a question simply of consciousness and universal love and pure determinism. The capitalism can be imporved with better...
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Hi Jason, I am not offensed , I have just explained how I see this thing that nobody can define, I have also explained that I have read all the sacred books when I was younger , like many books of philosophy, I respect your catholicism and capitalism, I just consider that all is a question simply of consciousness and universal love and pure determinism. The capitalism can be imporved with better governances and conscious comportments , and like I explained the bible for me is a book simply, I consider me like a christian modern deterministic, I love the message of Jesus, he was probably for me an old soul very wise, but I don t agree with what is is writen in the bible, the words writen must be relativated simply. You cannot tell me that the capitalism and christain try to teach me, I can tell the same, I can open your mind, that has no sense to speak like that in thinking that you encircle better the universe, the love , it is not true, I have been always too nice in my life and I have always been a good human respecting all lifes, even an insect I don t crush it, it is because I have understood this universal love, so what you tell is total nonsense Jason, you speak really like an extremist religious thinkinmg he is a better human, it is nor tolerant nor universal simply. I am not againt nor the capitalism nor the republicans, I am just against the capitalism without consciousness and the same when we have learders, they must simply responsible and universal.I am also not against the gunsactually when it is necessary to stop the crazyness, I just tell that it is a sad invention wich is not in respect of universal laws. So all is a question of consciousness. When I tell about the guns, I tell that it is a tool that we have invented becaiuse we are youngs considering the evolution anf that I hope that this thing will disappear in time space evolution because we can live in a total peace and democracy and without fear or without to be obliged to utilise them. I beleive that God indeed is a thing that we cannot define, and nobody knows really what is this infinite eternal consciousness, we are its babies, and a god of spinoza is not a bad thing, it is a rational interpretation of the nature simply and many past relevant thibnkers like einstein considered this god of spinoza. You are free to think like you want but don t tell that your thoughts are better than the others, it is not true, the most important is the universal love Jason simply.Regards
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 09:46 GMT
Where did you ever get the idea that "pure determinism" had anything to do with reality? Quantum mechanics certainly doesn't support determinism.
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 09:56 GMT
BTW, I am not a Catholic. I believe in God and I value JudaoChristian teachings, but I am closer to being a Spiritualist (in my heart).
What are you in your heart? A deterministic universalist?
I am not interested in determinism.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 10:16 GMT
I beleive simply that we can respect the determinism in our laws, axioms, and equations Jason, they are precise and foundamental, and the universalism for me is just that we are all inside a physicality with precise laws that I try to respect and I believe that this universal love and altruism and respect of all creations are essentioal, and that we can never affirm assumptions , I just tell this, regards
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 10:23 GMT
I come from America, the land of opportunity. American citizens are given as much opportunity for them to reach as far as they can to achieve their full potential.
I cannot fathom why anyone would worship "determinism". In fact, there was a movie starring Keanu Reaves, called the Matrix, which addressed this issue of Determinism versus free will. That's why the Matrix kept breaking! Free will!
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 26, 2020 @ 10:47 GMT
The free will can be universal and can converge with thsi universal determinsim when the consciousness is understood, I love the movies, like the marvel, star wars,the lord of the rings, and others, I love your country , but like everywhere it can improved with consciousness, the land of opportunity is not only for the USA, here in Finalnd for example it is a country giving a lesson to the world and many countries have a lot to learn form Finland, their ecology, economy, politics, educational system....are the best, that is why it is the place where the humans are the happiest
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 29, 2020 @ 21:37 GMT
Why is Finland happy? Is it because they have a lot of money laying around? I know that they are part of NATO. Are they paying their fair share? A lot of Americans could be happy if we had more money laying around.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 08:51 GMT
Hi , I beleive simply that it is due to fact that they are in a big country and not numerous, only 5,5 Millions and their political system is well and their politicians also more a wonderful ecology, and the econony is balanced, they win well their lifes and can live well, so they are happy .No stress in fact, less problems, more hope, more balanced things.
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 08:59 GMT
I'm glad Findlanders are happy. It's one of the benefits of armed militaries that create peace in the region, regions all over the world.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 09:11 GMT
They have fought for their freedom, they have had several problems due to Russia, they were obliged to fight and create their independance and freedom, a little bit like everywhere.I love this country the finland, so I am not against the fact to fight the problems with arms when it is necessary, like during the WW2I am happy that USA the big brother has helped the europe to save the countries from the crazzyness,
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 09:29 GMT
I actually have German and Lithuanian heritage. I wish I could just leave and move to a place where there was a lot of snow and winter. But alas, I am just one of the little people.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 09:36 GMT
we have a farm here in the forest and we produce plants for the nursery that we open soon, we create also a small hotel and a sauna, you can come, it is really wonderful here, we create our small paradise, plants , flowers everywhere, goats, hens, sheeps, porks...and I cultivate all in the compost, the results are ok, with the argilo humic complex, regards
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 09:40 GMT
Maybe I might visit in a dream.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 09:52 GMT
lol :) I love to dream but the reality also can be cool sometimes, if one day in all case if you want, you are welcome dear Jason,
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 10:16 GMT
You've never heard of Astral travel? Everything that exists physically also has an Astral duplicate. It is related to the wave function.
Maybe you could post a GPS picture from GoogleMaps, that I might look at it!
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 11:40 GMT
No, I beleive in the determinism and I am very rational, I dont think that it is real , I need proofs, I will give you a link for the place where I live, it is wonderful I must say,
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 11:47 GMT
Quantum mechanics doesn't do determinism. How are you going to argue with the laws of physics?
Would love the link.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 11:58 GMT
All what we have at this moment considering our known laws about this quantum mechanics and standard model seems deterministic, could you show me an example where we have non determinsitic phenomen not explained ? I will send you the link as soon that I can, we live near Narpes in ostrobothnia in the south of Finland.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 14:02 GMT
Jason, the non deterministic phenomen for me maybe can be analysed in the human psychology and so this free wil, but the consciousness evolving like the determinisn and intelligence can be correlated, for example let s take the human comportments and choices, it can become non deterministic indeed but for the quantum mechanics it is different, for the computing and the number generator and randomness, it is complex and non predictable when we arrive at this complexity, but for the pure codes created by this universe, I consider them determinsitic, of course we can add and consider maybe a non deterministic encoding and informations, but we cannot affirm. The stochastic analysis seem the key about the noncomputability and non predictabiltity, in fact that depends of what we analyse and what we consider like randomness and what we describe. That is why we arrive at an incredible complexity about the consciousness versus the intelligence, one is deterministic and the other is stochastic but tends towards this determinism, it becomes a paradox....Regards
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 17:33 GMT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measurement_in_quantum_mechani
cs "The predictions that quantum physics makes are in general probabilistic. "
Probabilistic means they're not deterministic.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 17:42 GMT
Thanks for sharing Jason, when I utilise the word deterministic, maybe It is better to tell rational, logic, ...in fact I just tell that an axiom, an equation, a law, are things following a specific development and rules , I beleive that the logic and rationalism are foundamentals about our sciences, they are always described by precise calculations and results. I just tell this, regards for the A1 for example we must utilise these lines of reasoning to mimate the rationalism, for the consciousness that can converge with our universal laws if they are understood and found and for the free will also but not for the human psychology, it is totally different considering the complexity of human brains, the evolution and the choices.
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 17:55 GMT
Some things are rational and logical. Some things are not; and they don't have to be. I am of the opinion that paranormal activity can occur in situations that are unpredictable, fluid. You don't believe in the paranormal, but I have argued that n-dimensional quantum fields could very well be experiencing consciousness in such a way that we regard them as spirits, ghosts. Such things would very much undermine our expectations of "rational and logical". I don't think we are meant to become too complacent.
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 18:09 GMT
I can understand and I respect your choice, indeed I don t beleive in paranormal activity, I have lost all my familly, my father, mother, grandmother, my godfather of a suicide and they were the most important persons in my life more other serious problems in my life, like I explained you I have faith in a thing that I cannot define, I beleive in something that I name an infinite eternal consciousness, you name this God, and this thing for me codes and creates a physicality, why ? maybe becvause this thing was alone duriong an eternity but I don t affirm of course, I don t know really what is this thing, I have been in the coma due to epileptic problsms and I have had an experience personal when I woke up, I beleive that it was my brain and the med who has created this, it was not paranormal for me but it was odd. I was 21 years old I was in second at university in geology, I know that we need to dream and the imagination can help and give a force also, but we can respect this project rational of evolution also inside this physicality without thinking in things paranormals, I beleive that this universe is fully logic at all scales,even if I beleive in a thing that I cannot define creating this universe. I don t beleive in ghosts or spirits because if a continuity exists for our souls if they exist, they continue a road on an other place inside this universe because all turns, and we cannot rebegin a life on the same place, but all this is a speculation, an assumption, nobody knows if the souls continue.
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 22:07 GMT
So I have a theory about n-dim fields that transmit complex signals. Perhaps consciousness is the effect of a finite unique field "experiencing" the signals and excitations across its surface. But more importantly, we have corroborating evidence of people who have near death experiences. We also have people who have evidence of detecting ghosts and shadows.
There is infinitely more evidence of an afterlife than there is of superstrings.
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Jason Mark Wolfe replied on Aug. 30, 2020 @ 22:15 GMT
Found Narpes. Certainly is beautiful and looks quiet. Have you ever gone shopping at AMBETSVERKSISHUS?
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Steve Dufourny replied on Aug. 31, 2020 @ 09:58 GMT
No , Don t know this shop, Narpes is indeed very quiet and beautiful, they name it here, the small usa , we have a lot of farms and greenhouses, it is mainly a agronomic place, I love the forests, I like to walk in this forest with my two small dogs sometimes, they protect also the wolves, if you kill a wolf here you take 5 years of prison ,I pay attention for my dogs and we have also animals in our small farm , so we are prudent, we have many dears and mooses, they hunt them with laws because if not they are too much numerous , this country is wonderful like I told, and the finnish people are very cool and nice, I love this country , this year we are going probably to visit lapland, the lapony in the north, they are a community speaking finnish and living differently , it is culture and heritage interesting, it is the country of the father of christmass, many persons come in winter to see this land, I will see him this year maybe with his dears and mooses :)
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