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CATEGORY: Undecidability, Uncomputability, and Unpredictability Essay Contest (2019-2020) [back]
TOPIC: CAN THE FUTURE CREATE THE PAST? by Gyöngyi Bokor [refresh]
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Author Gyongyi Bokor wrote on Apr. 25, 2020 @ 12:16 GMT
Essay Abstract

Is it possible that past, present, and future exist altogether somewhere and sometime, in a hidden structure unperceivable from our world? Can there be a dimension to change our causation rules and transform them into a free formable pile of information? How can this deep dimension contact our world? Can these two worlds develop a unified system? Is it possible that this unified system is able to create and sustain itself?

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Agus H Budiyanto wrote on Apr. 30, 2020 @ 02:51 GMT
Dear Gyöngyi Bokor

Thank you for your essay.

You raise some interesting questions in your essay. Can the future create the past? I think the answer is positive. It follows from the Omega Point Theory. Even though The physics of Tipler's Omega Point is wrong, I think its general philosophy is correct. My Process-Universism is a generalization of the omega point theory. I discuss this briefly in my essay.

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Agus

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 2, 2020 @ 05:01 GMT
Dear Agus H Budiyanto,

Thank you very much and it is a great honour to have read my writing. I will definitely read the Omega Point Theory you mentioned thoroughly. Unfortunately, I have very strict work deadlines at the moment, but in a few days, I will have more time. I would like to give you a very thorough and detailed answer, for I am really grateful for your attention.

Best regards

Gyöngyi

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 13, 2020 @ 10:43 GMT
Dear Agus H Budiyanto,

Thanks again for your constructive comment. Thanks to you, I have been able to read very exciting studies on the subject I have discussed. I tried to get to know the Omega Point Theory you mentioned and your theory as thoroughly as possible. Both raise incredibly exciting questions.

Your essay examines whether TOE (theory of everything; a complete theory that...

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Author Gyongyi Bokor wrote on May. 8, 2020 @ 05:33 GMT
A corrected version of my essay can be found in the following link:

CAN THE FUTURE CREATE THE PAST?

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 8, 2020 @ 07:39 GMT
CAN THE FUTURE CREATE THE PAST?

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Michael muteru wrote on May. 10, 2020 @ 20:11 GMT
Dear Gyongyi. Very structured and beautiful writing right from the heading- can the future create the past ? very foundational thought I believe in such an idea. rated you well.Hope you kindly read my essay -https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3525.where I discuss how all could be a product of Brain Neuroscience. All the best in the essay.keep up the good thoughts.Thanks

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 15, 2020 @ 11:10 GMT
Dear Michael,

Thank you very much for your attention and comment. I am very grateful that you took the time to read my study.

In your essay, you examine very interesting questions, and some of them are related to my suggestions in many ways.

I like your opinion below.

“Measure is an Agreed Standard, Consented and Stipulated in convention to enable us to understand and...

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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on May. 13, 2020 @ 19:33 GMT
Well.. I have to commend you.

It takes courage to set out something like this that on the surface appears ridiculous, but is in some sense realistic or possibly accurate. I am, in fact, working in a theoretical framework that is CPT-symmetric with respect to our universe, so half of the cosmos is going the other way in time, only to meet up later at the end of the cycle. It will not be obvious to most people reading my essay that this is the case, but that is how the theory works, or what it tells me. So you are somewhat on track, in my view.

However; your arguments are weak in some places, and you have only a tenuous connection back to the essay question. It could be said that the future tyrannizes the past, because its rule is absolute. But most people would say "how could what hasn't happened yet influence the now?" Well; the idea of a holographic projection of current events onto a 2-d screen at the cosmos' end makes sense. At least it is not a total wipeout. So I give you partial credit on several areas of assessment. Overall an enjoyable read, but not definitive.

All the Best,

Jonathan

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 15, 2020 @ 07:01 GMT
Dear Jonathan J. Dickau,

Thank you very much for your attention and comment. I am very grateful that you took the time to read my study.

To be honest, I know that my essay is provocative as it follows a very wild logic. However, I had an interesting assumption and I tried to deduce reasonably following its logical rules. I confess I guessed that I would get strong criticism of...

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Jonathan J. Dickau replied on May. 19, 2020 @ 03:04 GMT
Sounds like Fun!

No worries from me.

Jonathan

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austin fearnley wrote on May. 15, 2020 @ 10:54 GMT
Some of your ideas have resonance with my essay in which antimatter is suggested to travel backwards in time. In my essay I bypass Bell's Theorem by the use of antimatter travelling backwards in time. Bell's Theorem is absolutely correct of course in normal circumstances. By normal I mean for matter of every type travelling forwards in time. Bell's Theorem correctly rules out local hidden...

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 18, 2020 @ 16:44 GMT
Dear Austin Fearnley,

Thank you very much for reading my essay. You also deal with time-returning particles in your theory, as you examine how Bell’s Theorem can apply to antimatter when Alice measures time-reversed antiparticles and Bob measures normal time particles. This is a very exciting problem, for as you write, Bell’s Theorem does not deal with this question. If I understand...

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Ilgaitis Prusis wrote on May. 16, 2020 @ 13:42 GMT
Dear Gyöngyi Bokor,

Thank you for your interesting essay.

I have some remarks about Time.

Time itself does not exist. There are only motions. Motion is used as the time standard. The time is handy way to compare motions. Universal time (expansion rate of Universe) is irreversible. Local movements can be reversible, i.e., the local time can be reversible. More in: About Arrow of Time. http://viXra.org/abs/1902.0495.

The Time dilatation is apparent. All problems arise from wrong interpretation of Relativity. The Lorenz equations allow calculate real values from apparent measured values. More in:

About Tests of Special Relativity. http://viXra.org/abs/1909.0137

New Concept of Special Relativity. http://viXra.org/abs/1911.0367.

Best regards

Ilgaitis

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 18, 2020 @ 12:36 GMT
Dear Ilgaitis Prusis,

My explanation a little bit longer than a simple comment, so I would add a link if you do not mind. I would be very grateful if you could read it anyway. I am very thankful for your interesting comment.

Answer to Prof. Ilgaitis Prusis.

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Pavel Vadimovich Poluian wrote on May. 18, 2020 @ 18:34 GMT
You have chosen a great theme! But you come from standard concepts of time. We introduce a new concept of time. The following definitions are given: 1) there is a set that we call "Time"; 2) this set consists of an infinite number of individual elements, which we call "Moments"; 3) all elements of a given set have a peculiarity: if one element is REAL, all other elements of the set are UNREAL; 4) we will call sets of this type – "AREAL SETS". It was found that the elementary areal relation is a logical law of contradiction: statements A and NOT-A together form an areal set of two elements.

Formulating the law of contradiction, Aristotle and all the logicians after him constantly emphasized: there cannot be A and NOT-A in the same respect at the same TIME. We propose to rearrange the emphasis: in our formulation, AREALITY is a special logical relation that can simulate natural Time. The proposed ontology is related to the definition and introduction of the digital physics paradigm.

Since we and you are thinking about time, we will give you a high rating. Honor our essay. Let's continue the conversation)))

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 19, 2020 @ 03:10 GMT
Dear Pavel,

The ideas you outline are incredibly interesting. I really like the way you reinterpret time. What is beautiful about this phenomenon is that it can be interpreted in a thousand ways. If I understand correctly from your outline that you consider only the present to be distinguished, both the past and the future are secondary. You do not rank the past and future. In some ways, my essay suggests something similar. Otherwise, this kind of approach, an interpretation that moves a little away from human observation (memory, the anthropic principle, etc.), and seeks to interpret the universe by excluding the subjectivity of human observation. I try to use the same method.

I really like that you are dealing with time on a really deep philosophical level. I try to approach it similarly, but my approach is more geometrically based. I admire your deep really fundamental questions. Thank you very much for your comment.

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nancy walters wrote on May. 19, 2020 @ 02:08 GMT
Dear Gyöngyi Bokor,

Thank you for your essay. Do you think it's possible for smaller creatures to have a different experience of time? Like an ant for instance, is one month for us conceptually equal to years to them?

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Author Gyongyi Bokor replied on May. 19, 2020 @ 03:25 GMT
Dear Nancy Walters,

Your question seems simple at first reading. However, very seriously, with careful consideration of the issue, it requires such an incredibly multifaceted investigation that there is, unfortunately, no time to do so now. Comments will be closed in a few hours. This is a very interesting question and a lot of physical factors should be considered.

How time perception is affected by our own mass, the masses near us, our movement, our location in the universe, our physiological processes, the energy used, and so on. Incredibly interesting question. It is very worth dealing with. Congratulations!

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Author Gyongyi Bokor wrote on Jul. 29, 2020 @ 12:43 GMT
Nowadays, as far as I see, more and more researchers working on to save black holes. Therefore, I think, some interesting experiments can be linked to my essay.

The most accepted view about black holes is that information crossing their horizons, glows and leaves in the form of radiation. So, after a while, the black hole itself runs out of material and disappears. However, some interesting...

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