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Satyavarapu Gupta: on 5/19/20 at 7:32am UTC, wrote Dear Neil Bates, Thank you for really critically studying my essay. I am...

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Author Neil Bates wrote on Apr. 25, 2020 @ 11:59 GMT
Essay Abstract

The full meaning of experimental violations of Bell inequalities is not clear, although they do confirm quantum mechanical theory and that local realism is not plausible. Some thinkers wanting to preserve some kind of realism postulate messaging between entangled particles. Such messaging must be superluminal to achieve known results of the strong correlations. Here it is shown that no "natural" (uncontrived) process can mediate all the correlations of entangled particles in certain complex circumstances. Hence, our universe is not like a machine and not computable without contrived interventions.

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I have a wide, interdisciplinary background. In physics I count as an amateur, an independent scholar. My deepest interests are foundational theory in general, the mind-body problem, and quantum foundations and its paradoxes such as the measurement problem. The FQXi Contests, to which I have submitted essays most times, are one way my ideas can be intelligently evaluated. All I ask for is a fair hearing.

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Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Apr. 25, 2020 @ 18:46 GMT
Dear Neil Bates,

I enjoyed your wrestling with entanglement and realism. My own opinion is that physicists project math structure on the world and then come to believe that physical reality has that structure. ‘Qubits’ are a fine approximation for spins on magnetic domains, but the Stern-Gerlach data on the famous post card shows anything but qubits. Only because Bell insisted on qubits (A,B = +1,-1) in his first equation did he arrive at his no-go theorem. If one uses 3D spin one obtains exactly the correct correlation, but this offends many believers in structure.

Of course, although Bell’s reasoning was based on Stern-Gerlach, all of the experiments have been done with photons. I have not worked out a comparable solution, because, like you apparently, I do not fully understand the “exotic quirks like orbital angular momentum”.

You mentioned an ‘atavistic resurgence of determinism’, but many authors (like Flavio) question the simplistic determinism of classical physics, as do I. In your bio you express interest in the mind-body problem. My essay, Deciding on the nature of time and space, has been updated to handle info that appeared 10 days ago that you may find interesting in this regard. I invite you to read it and welcome any remarks.

Best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Author Neil Bates replied on Apr. 26, 2020 @ 01:28 GMT
Thank you, Edwin. The question of how to represent the universe has become an ideological fight, with many physicists becoming impatient with Bohr's acceptance of ontological mystery. They keep trying to construct deterministic forms of quantum mechanics which I do not think will work (altho I give credit to de Broglie-Bohm mechanics for trying to explain specific actual outcomes - instead of the mess of them all happening. I'll take a look at your piece. I have to agree with many thinkers that we can't treat the physical world as a separable thing-in-itself. It's part of us just as we are part of it.

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on May. 9, 2020 @ 10:11 GMT
Dear Neil Bates,

You gave a important question....Is our universe like a machine?

I feel yes. Your words are correct, just to sharpen your thinking, i want you to look at a model with different type of ideology, called Dynamic Universe Model developed by us for the last 40 years, with many of its predictions came true...

I hope you will have CRITICAL examination of my essay... "A properly deciding, Computing and Predicting new theory’s Philosophy".....

I thought we will have a lot to discuss...

I will stop for now,

Best

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Author Neil Bates replied on May. 15, 2020 @ 01:43 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu, thanks for replying and referring me to your article. I'll take a look, some free time opened up. I am impressed that you have been working on a concept of reality for the past 40 years.

- NB

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on May. 19, 2020 @ 07:32 GMT
Dear Neil Bates,

Thank you for really critically studying my essay. I am working on this Dynamic Universe Model for the Last 40 years. Its many predictions came true and it solved many unsolved problems in Cosmology and astrophysics. It was my experience what i wrote in my essay. Though may be Undecidability, Uncomputability, and Unpredictability are related to quantum physics, but these qualities are frequently seen in other parts of Physics also like Cosmology and Computer sciences.

This essay and Dynamic Universe Model does not go into quantum Physics.

Usage of Imaginary numbers practically gave many times confusing results, non achievable or realizable view points and difficult to digest statements.

How will you represent an imaginary axes perpendicular to time axis????

And a question for you, can you please tell me how these imaginary numbers are useful in quantum physics....???

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Michael muteru wrote on May. 10, 2020 @ 20:29 GMT
hi Neil .simple and beautiful essay, putting us in a participatory stance in the universe.We are part of space-time. rated You well.Could our human nature be the source of the 3uns.Kindly read my viewpoint -https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3525.All the Best to you in the essay contest.

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Author Neil Bates replied on May. 15, 2020 @ 01:48 GMT
Dear Michael, thanks for replying and your kind words. Altho I did not explicitly refer to conscious experience, the direction of the point about quantum reality is that it's not like a machine: it is an encounter we have and participate in, not just a "thing" to regard from afar, "uncontaminated" by our own mode of interacting. As well implicated by the final quote from Ethan Siegel.

Free time has opened up and I will read your essay, meanwhile could you explain "the 3uns"? - is that a typo or some symbolic coinage? Cheers.

- NB

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on May. 16, 2020 @ 11:24 GMT
Dear Neil,

Glad to read your work again.

I greatly appreciated your work and discussion. I am very glad that you are not thinking in abstract patterns.

"If we assume realism, then "naturalness" means that the behavior of constituents mustcorrespond to what we know about them".

"Here it is shown that no "natural" (uncontrived) process can mediate all the correlations of entangled particles in certain complex circumstances".

While the discussion lasted, I wrote an article: “Practical guidance on calculating resonant frequencies at four levels of diagnosis and inactivation of COVID-19 coronavirus”, due to the high relevance of this topic. The work is based on the practical solution of problems in quantum mechanics, presented in the essay FQXi 2019-2020 “Universal quantum laws of the universe to solve the problems of unsolvability, computability and unpredictability”.

I hope that my modest results of work will provide you with information for thought.

Warm Regards, `

Vladimir

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Author Neil Bates replied on May. 17, 2020 @ 01:13 GMT
Dear Vladimir,

Good to hear from you again and that you appreciated my submission here. You picked the quotes from my article that summarize what it is based on, and what it concludes. I will look at your submission here, being particularly impressed with the attempt to use the insights therein for interdisciplinary application to the COVID-19 crisis.

I wonder if your attempt to connect dBB mechanics with gravity has some interrelation with Penrose's ideas. "Toroidal" - interestingly, the issue of quantum spin has been a problem with the Bohmian pilot-wave theory, just at first hunch (having only read your abstract) I wonder if that might allow for fuller treatment of spin. I note that various thinkers have counter-intuitively connected gravity to other processes and perspectives, such as thermodynamics. Cheers, and we all hope for the best about our pandemic predicament.

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