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Author Robert Wilson wrote on Mar. 30, 2020 @ 15:14 GMT
Essay AbstractPredictability or otherwise of an event is a property not so much of the event, as of the theory that is used for prediction. Unpredictable events can be considered to be `predictable unpredictables' if there is a theory that predicts the probabilities of their occurrence. Everything else is an unpredictable unpredictable, and these are the most challenging for physics. Guided by an analogy with undecidability in mathematical theories, I consider what kind of physical theory might be required in order to predict those fundamental parameters that in current theories are unpredictable unpredictables.
Author BioEmeritus Professor of Pure Mathematics at Queen Mary University of London, specialising in group theory. Previously at the University of Birmingham, and at the University of Cambridge, where I did my PhD. Since 2010, I have worked on trying to understand and if possible improve the group theory that is used in fundamental physics.
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H.H.J. Luediger wrote on Mar. 30, 2020 @ 20:28 GMT
Robert,
" If something exists in the universe, it is, ipso facto, consistent." Correct, but...
Now, every thing or body (not object) in the universe has size, shape, color, brightness as well as distance and attitude relative to me. I guess you agree that none of these properties can be reduced to any other or an abstract 'third'. Further, all those bodies have mass, el. and therm. conductivity, several moments of inertia, some degree of roughness and kind of morphology, etc. pp. These properties are irreducible too. And yet (or as I think: therefore!) every body in the universe is consistent (discernible). Last, also the human senses are organized in an irreducible way; there is nothing in seeing that is in hearing, smelling or feeling.
That is, the world, as we perceive it, is discernible because it is categorically structured, i.e. is an orthogonal system and consistent (better: non-contradictory) for exactly this reason. So, I wonder what you'd say to my provocative thesis that physics either passes (back) under the yoke of orthogonal human knowledge (anti-reductionism) or is condemmed to remain irrelevant academic amusement foerever.
Heinz
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Mar. 30, 2020 @ 21:27 GMT
Heinz,
Thank you for your comments. I read your essay, which contains much of interest. As a mathematician, however, I find these philosophical questions difficult to think about, and I seek refuge in mathematics. My view is that the problems of (for example) interpretation of quantum mechanics are not really philosophical problems, as they are often presented, but mathematical problems. There are some subtle errors in the mathematics, which I think should be corrected. But because they are subtle, it is hard to convince physicists that they are important. When these mathematical errors lead to palpable nonsense such as many-worlds or multiverses, however, I think the time has come to pay a bit more attention to mathematical rigour. But I do agree with you that reductionism has gone too far, and we need to take more account of the fact that no object of any kind exists in isolation: we live in the universe, not outside it.
Robert.
David Brown wrote on Mar. 30, 2020 @ 21:58 GMT
"General relativity has been very well tested on a Solar System scale ..." Have physicists overestimated the accuracy of predictions made by general relativity theory and, also, Newton's law of gravity? According to Newton and Einstein, dark-matter-compensation-constant = 0. However, I have suggested the hypothesis that string theory with the finite nature hypothesis implies dark-matter-compensation-constant = (3.9±.5) * 10^–5. Why have gravitational metrologists been unable to improve the accuracy with which Newtons big G is know?
"Invited Review Article: Measurements of the Newtonian constant of gravitation, G" by C. Rothleitner & S. Schlamminger, Review of Scientific Instruments, volume 88, issue 11, 2017
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Mar. 30, 2020 @ 22:32 GMT
Thank you for your comments. I was careful to say that GR has been tested on a Solar System scale. Although I do not mention this in my essay, I do agree with you that on larger scales GR is not necessarily the only game in town. I find the MOND paradigm very persuasive, and if I were trying to build a quantum theory of gravity, I would not consider the theory to be satisfactory if it did not agree substantially with the empirical laws of MOND. The other important clues I think are provided by the flyby anomaly, which indicates that gravitational forces between extended bodies (as opposed to point masses) depend on rotation, and possibly the Pioneer anomaly, although that may have been explained in other ways. It is certainly possible that these effects combine to create unrecognised systematic errors in experiments that attempt to measure Newton's gravitational constant to greater accuracy. I cannot comment on anything that string theory might or might not say.
basudeba mishra wrote on Mar. 31, 2020 @ 01:44 GMT
Dear Sir,
Congratulations for such a brilliant essay, which be more remembered for the food for thought it presents than its actual content. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
A prediction is a statement about the future based upon past experience and knowledge derived from such experience. Hence something is predictable, if 1) we have similar experience in the past and 2) there are no...
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Dear Sir,
Congratulations for such a brilliant essay, which be more remembered for the food for thought it presents than its actual content. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
A prediction is a statement about the future based upon past experience and knowledge derived from such experience. Hence something is predictable, if 1) we have similar experience in the past and 2) there are no additional factors that can influence the possible outcome. While 1) is simple, the 2) is not. Uncertainty is inherent in Nature. Our knowledge of the universe is never complete. This makes the field wide open. We may not and cannot know all factors that may affect the outcome of any event. This makes everything unpredictable. You are absolutely right here.
Having said that, there may be limits on such unpredictability. We cannot pin point the precise position of an electron at any specific moment. Yet, we can predict that it will be found somewhere within a fixed band. Experiment proves us right. Thus, these are predictable unpredictable. We use probability and average to predict the outcome based on past experience based on measurement and knowledge derived from such experience. While the laws of physics are same everywhere, the same law is not applicable everywhere. This leads to model-dependent definition of predictability. You are right again: “Something that is predictable in one model can be unpredictable in another”.
But is it same in mathematics - “what is decidable in one model of mathematics can be undecidable in another”? I beg to differ. Your statement is true for mathematical physics, but not for pure mathematics.
Language is the unambiguous transposition of one’s/a system’s thoughts/command on another person’s/system’s mind/CPU. Mathematics does that with numbers. Hence mathematics is a language of Nature. But it only depicts quantitative aspect of Nature. It does not cover all aspects. Hence what is true for mathematics may not be true for physics or biology. For example, if by paying $3000 we can get a bike, by paying $1000 we can get 1/3 of a bike. This statement is mathematically correct. But physically it does not make any sense. There is no equation for the observer, but it has an important role in physics. Thus, physics beyond mathematics cannot be denied. Extending the limited scope of mathematics (scalar numbers) to (vector) physics or biology, makes us fall in the trap of reductionism.
In mathematics, we have irrational numbers like square-root of 2 or such numbers like. We cannot use it as a fraction of whole numbers. But in physics, we cannot use inderminables. We must chose a limit up to which we can go to determine the nearest fraction. This is the subject matter of my essay in this forum.
Your poser: “whether a non-standard model can predict (correctly!) some things that are unpredictable in the standard model” is very interesting. In fact, it has the potential to change the direction of modern research. Let me give one example.
From the times of Newton, measuring the exact value of G, the gravitational constant, is one of the priority areas, as it is used widely in many equations as a constant and any change to its value will make many theories crumble. Yet there was wide disagreement on the precise value of G. Now it has been noticed that it G exhibit a 5.9-year periodic oscillation value. Interestingly, this closely matches the 5.9-year oscillation in length of day (LOD - defined as a frequency measurement such that a positive increase in LOD values means slower Earth rotation rates and therefore longer days) measurements. The aforementioned period is also about half of a solar activity cycle of about 11 years, but the correlation is far less convincing because of the big difference in values. The 5.9 year periodic signal in LOD has previously been interpreted as due to fluid core motions and inner-core coupling. Again, this is not convincing. The G/LOD correlation, whose statistical significance is 0.99764 assuming no difference in phase, points to a totally new direction.
It is known that unlike other interactions, gravity is a polygamous force. This is because the other interactions are intra-body and follow a symmetry, whereas gravity is interbody and asymmetrical (that is why planetary orbits wobble). That it is related to mass and distance shows that not only the bodies concerned, but all others that influence the two bodies, play an important role in it. While it may not be evident always, the bodies between the Sun and Earth (like Mercury, Venus) are affected by Earth, but the Earth is not affected by these bodies to that extent – the forces being directed at Sun. But what about Jupiter, which is massive enough and the Earth falls in the path of its interaction with the Sun? There is gravitational interaction between Jupiter and Earth. When these are in a straight line with Sun, Jupiter drags Earth away from Sun, which reduces and reaches a peak when Sun is between Earth and Jupiter. This starts to increase again to reach a peak after 11.86 years – the period of Jupiter. Thus, the change is periodic with a 5.93 year periodic cycle.
This forces us to look at the theory of gravitation afresh. It is also another example of predictable unpredictable bordering the unpredictable unpredictables.
Now, I will like to give another thought to your unpredictable unpredictables. Decay and Evolution are established facts of Nature. Decay is related to time evolution. Evolution is limited transformation of something without losing its basic characteristics. Can it lead to the rabbit having horns? No one can tell with certainty. It is unpredictable unpredictables. Yet, when look at it closely, does it fulfil the criteria of prediction? We have seen rabbits. We have seen horns on many animals. We make a statement about the future based upon past experience and knowledge derived from such experience. So based on our past experience of a horn being a natural tool to provide protection from danger, and looking at the increasing threat to the rabbit population, they may evolve to grow horns. What we do here is extend a relation (natural mechanism for protection from danger) to two unrelated fields (rabbit and horn), without properly analyzing and without taking into account all possible aspects. Nature has provided a safety mechanism to the rabbit – its speed to run away from danger. Having a pair of horns will hamper that speed. With its limited physical volume and soft body, it will not be able to defend itself from predators. Nature functions creatively. It will not jeopardize safety to life while providing food for others. Hence, horns of a rabbit will never materialize. This way, we can explain one case of unpredictable unpredictables.
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Mar. 31, 2020 @ 06:52 GMT
Many thanks for your very interesting comments. From reading your essay I understand that we differ somewhat in our interpretation of undecidability in mathematics, and perhaps even in our understanding of what is or is not mathematics. But I think we can leave this on one side, and concentrate on what is useful for physics. I was particularly interested in your statement that measurements of G are correlated with the length of the day - do you have a reference for this? I was certainly aware that measurements of G are mutually inconsistent, and that no-one knows why. But I was not aware of such a correlation. It may indeed be possible to derive this correlation as a meta-prediction based on the ideas in my essay, though I have not thought seriously about this yet.
Branko L Zivlak wrote on Mar. 31, 2020 @ 13:01 GMT
Dear Robert,
In order for a formula to be just a coincidence, it is necessary to agree with Codata values in all significant digits. It is not case in all of your formulas. Then the next step is to show the predictive value of the formula, if any. You being a mathematician it is easy to understand mathematical tool of your colleague's (Hugh Matlock) with which he show the predictive value of a formulas. You can check out Hugh Matlock's comments on my FQX-i 2013contest article,
https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1847 .
If you like, I can send you a formula that shows the exact relationship between n, p and e. It was obtained by the same approach as the last five formulas at the end of my essay. Since you are a mathematician, I think you shall be better than others to understand the role logorithm and exponent in these formulas.
Your formula e + μ + τ + 3p = 5n correctly predicts that the relation of three leptons must contain proton too, which is a disadvantage of the well-known Koide formula. You can also see the Improved Koide formula at the end of my essay.
And my recommendation: Forget the Big Bang, stick with the greats of science, Newton, Bošković, Maxwell, Planck, partly Einstein. Also follow mathematics, especially the part we call "discovered mathematics". Then a consistent consistent theory of everything is hidden in their works.
Regards Branko
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Mar. 31, 2020 @ 17:14 GMT
Dear Branko,
I thank you for your comments. You refer to the Koide formula, which is extraordinarily accurate, and yet not generally accepted as having relevance to physics. Indeed, it differs from experiment by about .01%. This is an extraordinarily small amount, and yet not quite small enough to convince physicists in general that this formula is meaningful. I have been thinking about this, on and off, for five years, and I do not claim to have solved the problem yet. You can read more about my take on these issues on my blog at robwilson1.wordpress.com if you are interested.
I agree with you that a prediction must agree with CODATA in (almost) all significant digits. I do not agree with you that the same applies to meta-predictions. Nevertheless, at least seven of my meta-predictions do in fact agree with CODATA in all significant digits.
And the Big Bang? I can take it or leave it. The way I look at the universe, I find it hard to understand why anyone finds it necessary to assume there was a Big Bang. I don't say it didn't happen, I just say, why does anyone think it did? What does it actually explain that cannot be explained in other ways?
Robert.
Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 1, 2020 @ 19:40 GMT
I didn't reply to your comments about predictive value of formulae. Given that my equations are meta-predictions rather than predictions, I do not claim great predictive power for them. But the equation $e + mu+tau+3p=5n$ does predict two or three more significant figures of the tau mass, and the equation involving the Higgs mass predicts one more significant figure of that. Several other equations have some limited predictive power also.
Branko L Zivlak replied on Apr. 1, 2020 @ 21:22 GMT
Dear Robert,
Thanks for your reply. This is what I like about Big bang:
“What does it actually explain that can't be explained in other ways?”
I answer: Nothing.
The Koide formula is incorrect and lacks a proton. I suggested the correct one: Improved Koide formula.
I've been to your blog, I don't know anything about group theory. I read a couple of articles.
Regards Branko
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 2, 2020 @ 06:06 GMT
Dear Branko,
My take on the Koide formula is explained in my preprint "A proposed new model for the coupling of matter to spacetime" available from my blog. Essentially, it is a 3-dimensional approximation to a formula that must exist in 6-dimensional space. Indeed, it may even be reasonable to regard this 6-space as a 3-dimensional complex space, in which case we can say the Koide formula is the real part of a 3-dimensional complex formula. I do not know what the correct formula is, but you are surely right that it must involve the proton (and the neutron, I believe).
Robert.
Branko L Zivlak replied on Apr. 6, 2020 @ 06:30 GMT
Dear Robert,
The improved Koide formula is in the Table at the end of my essay.
Branko
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Marts Liena wrote on Apr. 1, 2020 @ 10:22 GMT
I liked your essay because i twas easy to read and it through up some challenges.
Your section on Hidden Relations brought to mind the book Bible Code by Michael Drosnin. This book has been thoroughly debunked by mathematicians.
I am sure that the relations between fundamental particles can be unlocked by better reductionism than we are currently presented with by the Standard Model.
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 1, 2020 @ 10:48 GMT
Thank you for your comments. I do not consider that there is any similarity between my section on "Hidden relations" and the book "The Bible Code". I am a mathematician and I understand the mathematical arguments that are used to debunk "The Bible Code". I consider that these arguments do not say anything very useful about my equations. Of course, anyone is welcome to apply these arguments themselves, and see what conclusions they come to.
I disagree with you that "better reductionism" will help us to understand mass. The mass of a proton is something fixed and very precisely known, while the masses of the constituents of a proton are at best very vague, and at worst undefined. More reductionism is precisely the opposite of what is required.
Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 2, 2020 @ 06:19 GMT
Maybe I should add something about where the eight "hidden relations" came from. They are not just random equations, but are justified extensively (if heuristically) in terms of group representation theory, in two preprints that are posted on the website of the Isaac Newton Institute, Cambridge: http://www.newton.ac.uk/files/preprints/ni19011.pdf and http://www.newton.ac.uk/files/preprints/ni19013.pdf
Notice for example the parallel between the 3 generations of electron in e+mu+tau+3p=5n and the three generations of down quark in d+s+b+3pi=5n, which also throws up a parallel between the proton and the pions. The first equation has 12 fundamental particles on the left, and 15 on the right, so needs three neutrinos to balance the spins. The second equation has only 9 on the left, and needs 3 photons to balance the spins. All the equations taken together suggest that the muon and the tau particle, as well as the three heavy quarks, may be better treated as composite particles rather than fundamental, while on the other hand the proton and the pions might be better treated as fundamental. Just a thought.
Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on Apr. 2, 2020 @ 16:02 GMT
Dear Robert,
I especially liked these deep ontological conclusions:
"The values, then, can only be explained by one supreme act of randomness at the origin of the universe in the Big Bang. Is this really an adequate physical explanation, or is it just a fairy story?"
"Predicting the unpredictable requires thinking the unthinkable. Restricting ourselves to thinkable unthinkables has not worked. To make progress, we may have to think unthinkable unthinkables. This is not a safe option. Thinking unthinkable unthinkables can lead to a complete paradigm shift. If we are not prepared for a paradigm shift, then we should not go down this road. "
"But if we want to go beyond the standard model, we must be prepared to think unthinkable unthinkables."
"Einstein’s hopes of a rigorous consistent theory of all of physics have not been realised. But G¨odel’s theorems do not prove that such a theory is impossible."
"So maybe, just maybe, if we can upgrade the theory from inconsistent inconsistency to consistent inconsistency, then the universe can do the rest, and give us a consistent consistent theory of everything."
My highest point and hope that to overcome the crisis of understanding, the crisis of interpretation and representation in the philosophical basis of fundamental science, physicists will call upon the paradigm of the whole to help. And the dialectic of “coincidence of opposites”... “Philosophy is too important to be left to the philosophers” (J. Wheeler)
With kind regards, Vladimir
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Author Robert Wilson wrote on Apr. 2, 2020 @ 19:09 GMT
Dear Vladimir,
I thank you for your positive comments. I appreciate the deep ontological arguments about the foundations of quantum mechanics, and the crises of interpretation that arise from them, but the more I think about them, the more I feel that the problem is not so much philosophical as mathematical. There are problems with the mathematics that are not generally appreciated, and to my mind the philosophical problems arise largely because of errors in the mathematics, that lead to mathematical concepts that are difficult to relate to physical reality, for the simple reason that they are mathematically inconsistent. It is hard to discuss these issues seriously, because most people (including me, no doubt) understand at most one of the three subjects of mathematics, physics and philosophy.
Robert.
Vladimir Rogozhin replied on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 12:36 GMT
Dear Robert,
You are absolutely right. The problem of justification of mathematics, which is more than a hundred years old, is problem No. 1 for cognition as a whole, especially physics. Some philosophers consider it to be an “eternal problem”. I strongly disagree with this. Clearly represented the situation with the foundations of mathematics and logic M. Kline in “Mathematics: Loss...
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Dear Robert,
You are absolutely right. The problem of justification of mathematics, which is more than a hundred years old, is problem No. 1 for cognition as a whole, especially physics. Some philosophers consider it to be an “eternal problem”. I strongly disagree with this. Clearly represented the situation with the foundations of mathematics and logic M. Kline in “Mathematics: Loss of Certainty” and A. Zenkin in
SCIENTIFIC COUNTER-REVOLUTION IN MATHEMATICS. Some mathematicians claim that “as physics has solved all the theoretical problems of chemistry, thereby“ closing ”chemistry, so mathematics will create a“ unified theory of everything ”and“ close ”physics.” (Interview with mathematician L. Faddeev
The equation of the evil spirit ). How can mathematics “close physics” if the problem of justification is not solved. For some reason, mathematicians are currently facing the age-old problem of the justification of mathematics, "language of Nature", "swept under the rug." Just look at the “Millennium Problems” of the Clay Mathematics Institute...
The problem of the mathematics justification (and therefore knowledge in general) is a comprehensive ontological problem. Therefore, I define the problem of the mathematics justification more broadly - the problem of the ontological basification of mathematics. I took the concept of “basification” from geology, where “basification” is understood as a hypothetical process of transformation of the granite layers of the Earth's crust into basalt layers. Metaphor: it is time to start “cracking” instead of “granite” - the “basalt” of Science ... Please look at my
approach to the problem of the basification of mathematics and knowledge in general. I will be very happy to hear your questions and criticisms.
With kind regards, Vladimir
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 15:52 GMT
Dear Vladimir,
I confess that I do not understand the problems you are referring to. The "problem of justification of mathematics" is not a problem that I recognise, as a mathematician. Mathematics does not seek justification, and develops independently of such "justification". Mathematics, like physics, and other fields of human endeavour, develops because it appears to be "useful" - whatever that means. Platonist ontology of mathematics is far removed from any concerns of any mathematicians whom I have worked with over 40 years. Or am I misunderstanding the meaning you give to the word "justification"?
Robert.
Vladimir Rogozhin replied on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 18:18 GMT
Dear Robert,
Unfortunately, I did not study English and rely on the translation of the Google translator. In Russian, “justification” sounds more accurately “обоснование”, i.e. search for reliable "foundation". And what foundation can be the strongest and most reliable7 This is an ontological basis.
The problem of justification (substantiation) of mathematics is...
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Dear Robert,
Unfortunately, I did not study English and rely on the translation of the Google translator. In Russian, “justification” sounds more accurately “обоснование”, i.e. search for reliable "foundation". And what foundation can be the strongest and most reliable7 This is an ontological basis.
The problem of justification (substantiation) of mathematics is the problem of "foundations of mathematics", which M. Kline described well in his book "Mathematics: Loss of Certainty". Interestingly, as mathematician, do you agree with the conclusions of M. Kline?
I am not a mathematician, but I am interested in the question: Why did Mathematics, "language of Nature", lose Certainty? So physics has lost its Certainty? And all knowledge has lost Certainty? The loss of certainty in the foundations of mathematics, and therefore knowledge in general, ultimately raises questions: Undecidability, Uncomputability, and Unpredictability ...
Today, a picture of the world is being imposed on society, based on the hypothesis of the
“Big Bang“ ? You, as I understand it, do not support this hypothesis. Didn't mathematics play a role here when physicists build a picture of the world on the basis of theories without their ontological basification? I am not a mathematician, not a physicist, not a philosopher, but my mind does not accept the "scientific picture of the world", which does not answer fundamental scientific questions about the nature of the "laws of nature" and fundamental constants. Therefore, I once got involved in solving the problem of justification (basification) of mathematics (knowledge). I wonder what your opinion on the article by Carlo Rovelli
Physics Needs Philosophy / Philosophy Needs Physics ? I found that your essay is deeply philosophical.
With kind regards, Vladimir
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 4, 2020 @ 07:30 GMT
Dear Vladimir,
Thank you for the clarification. I confess that I have not thought deeply about the foundations of mathematics: in my work in finite group theory and representation theory, subtleties about the foundations do not often arise. We usually assume the axiom of choice, but it is probably not necessary in fact. I have not read Kline's book, so cannot comment on it.
Thank you for pointing to Rovelli's article. I agree with everything he says. The philosophy in my essay fits in with what he says about methodology: essentially I am arguing, as Rovelli does, that the methodology of modern fundamental physics doesn't work, and I am pointing out another possible methodology. I agree with Rovelli that having random ideas and hoping they will work is doomed to failure, and that the road to progress lies in carefully examining the contradictions in existing theories, and thinking philosophically about them.
Best wishes,
Robert.
Vladimir Rogozhin replied on Apr. 4, 2020 @ 11:49 GMT
Dear Robert,
Your deep philosophical approach to the foundations of physics, theoretical and practical knowledge in mathematics (finite group theory, representation theory) just push to solve the age-old problem of the foundations of mathematics (justification of mathematics) and knowledge in general.
Question: What "finite group" (ontological) underlies knowledge and the Universe as a holistic eternal process of generation of structures? How can it be represented in a geometric symbol?
With kind regards, Vladimir
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Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde wrote on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 09:29 GMT
Dear Robert,
It was a real pleasure to read your clear contribution.
I understand that you are mostly mathematician and no philosopher, but really you touched very philosophical issues.
The whole time I was reading your essay I thought"Robert is looking for the reference of reference" a subject that I also give attention and try to reason in my interpretation.
As a mathematician, you will have some problems with my essay and I respect that, but if you are interested you can find it
HERE , I should be interested to hear the opinion from another side.
Best regards
Wilhelmus de Wilde
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 10:41 GMT
Dear Wilhelmus,
Thank you for your kind remarks. I find that philosophy can often be useful as a way of clarifying issues, although I count myself very much an amateur in philosophy. I read your essay, but as you guessed, I found it hard to understand. You treat the problem of consciousness, which I try to avoid, although it plays a prominent role in certain approaches to the interpretation of quantum mechanics. As I mentioned above, I believe that consciousness enters into this debate through a misunderstanding of the underlying mathematics. On the other hand, my approach says absolutely nothing about the problem of consciousness, which remains completely out of my reach, and remains a central philosophical problem.
Robert.
Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde replied on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 13:14 GMT
Thank you for your honest reply Robert.
We respect each other.
Wilhelmus de Wilde
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 3, 2020 @ 14:57 GMT
I thank you again. Respect is often lacking in these debates, and is much appreciated when it is displayed.
Respect.
Robert.
Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Apr. 8, 2020 @ 18:22 GMT
Dear ROBERT ARNOTT WILSON, I thank you for your interest in my essay. Probably, the desire to understand why others think so has pushed you to this, and it is likely that I will give you high marks for this. If you agreed that space is matter, and matter is space that moves, as it is matter, then time here has a separate meaning, which is already contained in the concept of motion. Therefore, I do...
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Dear ROBERT ARNOTT WILSON, I thank you for your interest in my essay. Probably, the desire to understand why others think so has pushed you to this, and it is likely that I will give you high marks for this. If you agreed that space is matter, and matter is space that moves, as it is matter, then time here has a separate meaning, which is already contained in the concept of motion. Therefore, I do not use the expression "space-time." It is necessary to distinguish the concept of physical space from geometric space. Indeed, in mathematics, as you know, there are many spaces, but all this is abstraction. If, as you say, “to fully describe matter, I need both 4-dimensional space-time and 4-dimensional momentum-energy to create an 8-dimensional“ reality ”. Then, to describe dimensions, interactions, and so on, I need two copies of 8-dimensional reality multiplied together to give 64 dimensions that contain all possible dimensions and interactions. ”, You can proceed further. Just do not forget that all these are abstractions and do not try to declare it existing separately from the object under study, as you did with the physical space that was separated from matter.
I invite you to continue the discussion of my essay, in which I show the successes of the neocartesian generalization of modern physics, based on the identity of Descartes’ space and matter: “The transformation of uncertainty into certainty. The relationship of the Lorentz factor with the probability density of states. And more from a new Cartesian generalization of modern physics. by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich ".
At the very beginning of the essay, I repeat twice the idea that rectilinear motion, in essence, is a motion around a circle of infinitely large radius and, if this radius is reduced, then in infinitesimal laws of motion of the theory of relativity will go over to the laws of quantum mechanics.
Next come mathematical formulas that only spoil my essay, but without them in any way. I will be pleased if you catch their main meaning and bless me for the further generalization of modern physics. I give high ratings to those who visit my page and leave her comment on it regarding the neo-Cartesian generalization of modern physics, even if they did not agree.
Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.
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Author Robert Wilson replied on Apr. 9, 2020 @ 06:31 GMT
I did not intend to imply that "spacetime" is separate from "matter". The two are simply different aspects of the same thing. But I do need spacetime and not just space, because the mathematics that I use does not permit the separation of time from space in general. This separation only arises when we take the point of view of a particular observer, at which point we have a fixed definition of time, and therefore a fixed definition of mass. All the forces that deal with fixed mass (electromagnetism and gravity, and maybe also the strong force, depending on your interpretation) then crystallise out. But the weak force is different, because it does not preserve mass, and therefore does not preserve time. That is the real reason why I need spacetime and not just space - without a unified spacetime, I cannot explain the weak force.
Robert.
Israel Perez wrote on Apr. 10, 2020 @ 03:32 GMT
Dear Robert Wilson
Just to let you know that I just read your essay which is interesting and valuable. The questions you pose on the mass ratio are important for physics. I guess you are putting forward a possible explanation for the values found. I definitely have no clue why some quantities have the value they have.
I must confess that I had some trouble trying to understand what you mean while you were playing with words (predictable unpredictable, unpredictable unpredictable, etc). I think these options would be understood better if you bring up some examples. For instance, for a predictable unpredictable I was thinking about the weather and so on. Anyway, well written and well thought.
I wish you good luck in the contest.
Best Regards
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Sue Lingo wrote on Apr. 16, 2020 @ 04:30 GMT
Hi Robert...
Excellent essay... a 10 score by me.
I readily admit to a research bias that prohibits perturbative analysis, and thus have not attempted to verify your formulations, but I admire your diplomacy and skill in conveying the degree of dependency the "standard model" has on perturbative analysis.
Innocently questioning fundamental relationships ... i.e. "what could be more fundamental than the mass ratios of electron, proton and neutron?"... will provoke a more in depth analysis of the limits of the "standard model" model, and subsequently, the necessity for a unified field GEOMETRY MODEL
A "non-standard" model that resolves the geometry of a point Source Emission and subsequent Distribution of spatially defined minimum units of Energy (QE), eliminates pertubation... i.e. establishes an unbroken kinematic logic/geometry chain from Energy Quanta Emission/Distribution Source to observation... and the choreographies of those minimum units of Energy (QE), as dictated by the Q-mechanix of that geometry, are fundamental to our observation of electron, proton, neutron, and their respective mass ratios.
Thanks!!!
Sue Lingo
UQS Author/Logician
www.uqsmatrixmechanix.com
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Branko L Zivlak wrote on May. 2, 2020 @ 22:05 GMT
Dear Robert Wilson
Sorry for the late answer. This is due to changes introduced by FQXs regarding emails during the competition.
My answer regarding the Koide formula is in my forum.
In the spirit of my essay, it would be best if dimensionless formulas can be presented. It is just such a Koide formula with its expected result of 2/3. Please send me your results in dimensionless form.
Regards,
Branko
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Pavel Vadimovich Poluian wrote on May. 14, 2020 @ 07:49 GMT
Dear Professor Robert A. Wilson!
Thank you for your interesting essay. We have specific questions. You write: "Something that is predictable in one model can be unpredictable
in another." What, then, is the meaning of dividing and contrasting these concepts? Are you simply stating the existence of UNCERTAINTY?
Pavel Poluian and Dmitry Lichargin,
Siberian Federal University.
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Author Robert Wilson replied on May. 14, 2020 @ 09:27 GMT
I would say there is no meaning to dividing and contrasting the concepts of predictability and unpredictability. In the abstract, such a distinction is meaningless. One has to first specify the context, that is what mathematicians and physicists call a "model". The same is true for uncertainty: uncertainty in quantum mechanics is a completely different thing from uncertainty in ordinary life.
Robert Wilson.
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