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TOPIC: No single unification theory of everything by Wanpeng Tan [refresh]
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Author Wanpeng Tan wrote on Mar. 5, 2020 @ 12:08 GMT
Essay Abstract

In light of Gödel’s undecidability results (incomplete theorems) for math, quantum indeterminism indicates that physics and the Universe may be indeterministic, incomplete, and open in nature, and therefore demand no single unification theory of everything. The Universe is dynamic and so are the underlying physical models and spacetime. As the 4-d spacetime evolves dimension by dimension in the early universe, consistent yet different models emerge one by one with different sets of particles and interactions. A new set of first principles are proposed for building such models with new understanding of supersymmetry, mirror symmetry, and the dynamic phase transition mechanism – spontaneous symmetry breaking. Under this framework, we demonstrate that different models with no theory of everything operate in a hierarchical yet consistent way at different phases or scenarios of the Universe. In particular, the arrow of time is naturally explained and the Standard Model of physics is elegantly extended to time zero of the Universe.

Author Bio

Wanpeng Tan is Research Associate Professor in Department of Physics at University of Notre Dame, USA. B.A. from Beijing University and Ph.D. from Michigan State University. Publications: https://orcid.org/0000-0002-5930-1823 Web: https://physics.nd.edu/people/faculty/wanpeng-tan/ Blog: http://sites.nd.edu/wtan/

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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Mar. 5, 2020 @ 13:31 GMT
This looks very interesting Dr. Tan...

I note several points of agreement with what you say in the abstract. I have long felt that nature is grander than any one all-encompassing theory can describe. I will definitely have to read this essay for detail and comment. You have made me think already.

All the Best,

Jonathan

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Author Wanpeng Tan wrote on Mar. 6, 2020 @ 06:04 GMT
Thank you for your kind comments, Johanthan.

I accidentally found this website a few days ago and decided to write this article based on my recent works. So I am brand new here and it may take a while for me to get used to it. But feel free to send me your comments and/or questions.

Thanks,

Wanpeng

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Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde wrote on Mar. 6, 2020 @ 10:09 GMT
Dear Professor Tan

I agree with you that the initiators of interpretations of events should be aware that their interpretation is just one of the many that are present and also must be aware that there are more to come because new interpretations of new events and information will arrive.

As you say we are moving from strictly determinism to more and indeterminism, what will be the...

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 7, 2020 @ 00:24 GMT
Dear Wilhelmus,

Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments. I'll read your essay later.

Best,

Wanpeng

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Shawn Halayka wrote on Mar. 6, 2020 @ 21:41 GMT
Dear Wanpeng,

I recently derived the cosmic matter density from the inherent curvature of a tessellated 3-sphere. Do you think I should write up an essay on the computability of this and the dark energy density, or is that not what this essay contest is about?

A short paper showing the derivation can be found at:

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Shawn Halayka replied on Mar. 6, 2020 @ 21:41 GMT
https://vixra.org/abs/2003.0030

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 7, 2020 @ 00:30 GMT
Shawn, I am new at FQXi. I am not sure that I can answer your questions. But I guess that you can always submit your essay as far as your topic is related to some limit that physical laws seem unable to reach.

Wanpeng

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Lawrence B. Crowell wrote on Mar. 8, 2020 @ 00:28 GMT
Your paper was interesting. There are a few points I thought I would mention. Supersymmetry requires a zero energy vacuum. If the energy of the vacuum has positive expectation then SUSY is broken, The vacuum energy during inflation was enormous and so SUSY was likely highly broken.

That your group is U(6)×SU(3)×SU(2)×U(1) means this may connect to some aspects of string theory with E6 ⸧ SU(6) and then with exceptional group realizations. Your approach though appears to be to hide these into simpler groups. I have been considering something similar with the stretched horizon of black holes according to simple groups that under perturbations give complex groups.

Anyway if you get the time see if you can read my essay.

Thanks LC

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 11, 2020 @ 14:04 GMT
I am trying to post this reply for the third time...

Thank you, LC for your interest.

You are right about exact SUSY requiring zero vacuum energy. The two models of SMM2 and SMM4 for 2-d and 4-d spacetime, respectively, follow the exact N=1 gauge SUSY. On the other hand, during the phase transitions or spontaneous symmetry breaking processes, the corresponding SMM2b and SMM4b will break the exact SUSY and become pseudo-SUSY due to the emergence of new mass scales and vacuum energies. But the matching of degrees and freedom between bosons (gauge and pseudo-Goldstone) and fermions is still observed, and that is why it is called pseudo-SUSY.

Yes, there seems to be some connection with string theory (but not as a theory of everything). Please see my other preprint for more discussion on that (e.g., page 7 and the end of Ref. [7])

Best,

Wanpeng

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Lawrence B. Crowell replied on Mar. 12, 2020 @ 23:03 GMT
The lower dimensional spacetime is something that happens with holography. The stretched horizon of a black hole has two spatial dimensions. Since this occurs on a surface a Planck unit above the pure horizon. Consider a probe under an enormous acceleration at this stretched horizon. This acceleration is the Planck acceleration g = 10^{52}m/s^2. The time dilation for an accelerated frame is T =...

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 24, 2020 @ 14:37 GMT
Dear LC, Thanks for your interest.

You are right about exact SUSY requiring zero vacuum energy. As such, two of my models SMM2 and SMM4 for 2-d and 4-d spacetime, respectively, follow the exact N=1 gauge SUSY. On the other hand, during the phase transitions or spontaneous symmetry breaking processes, the corresponding SMM2b and SMM4b models will break the exact SUSY due to the emerging mass scales and vacuum energies. Therefore, these models are called pseudo-SUSY as non-zero mass terms leading to new energy scales but the matching of degrees of freedom between bosons (gauge and pseudo-Goldstone) and fermions is still observed.

Indeed, there is some connection with string theory (not as a theory of everything). You might find some related discussion in my preprint: https://doi.org/10.31219/osf.io/8qawc

Best,

Wanpeng

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Dan J. Bruiger wrote on Mar. 8, 2020 @ 15:41 GMT
Dear Dr. Tan,

Most of your paper is way over my head, so I am not in a position to appreciate it properly, though I agree with its spirit. One thing in particular you said resonates with me: “An immediate implication of quantum indeterminism is that our world has to be dynamic with phase transitions. It is hard to imagine that a static universe is not deterministic unless one assumes different laws at different locations, which, however, defeats the static assumption for spacetime.” What is interesting is that this statement is a purely logical deduction. That is, the universe MUST be dynamic if it is indeterministic (or, conversely, only a static universe could be deterministic). To me, this sheds light on the meaning of determinism, which I hold to be no more than a property of mathematics (determinism = logical implication), rather than a possible inherent property of matter. Nevertheless, the APPEARANCE of determinism could emerge (as in GR) to the extent matter conforms on the large scale to that mathematical description.

All best wishes,

Dan Bruiger

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 8, 2020 @ 18:02 GMT
Thanks for your interest, Dan.

The past efforts on theory of everything seemed to focus too much on a static picture of attempting unifying all forces and particles. While the realistic world and the Universe keeps telling us it is dynamic.

What I did not talk about in the essay is the degree of indeterminism. My gut feeling is that it is right on the boundary between indeterminism and determinism. As such, determinism can emerge naturally in some aspects of our world. See http://sites.nd.edu/wtan/2020/03/07/from-quantum-indetermini
sm-to-open-science-open-society-and-open-world/ for further discussion.

Wanpeng

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Author Wanpeng Tan wrote on Mar. 8, 2020 @ 19:12 GMT
Why FQXi blocking my replies to Lawrence B. Crowell? It occurred twice. Can somebody help me?

Wanpeng

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John C Hodge wrote on Mar. 9, 2020 @ 18:31 GMT
Dr. Tan:

I agree that "...no single unification theory for describing all energy scales at the same time." can be built from the current General Relativity (GR) and Quantum Mechanics (QM) models. I also agree with the proposal that similar conclusions from the "phase transition" barriers could be extended to life and society.

But here we part. I propose that a simpler model of one Theory of Everything could be formed by treating both GR and QM as applications which also must explain all the observations that the 2 don't explain. The STOE has had predictions confirmed, also. The STOE proposes determinism for big and small. The STOE proposes one equation for all the universe.

I note your theory is basically proposing increased complexity rather than greater simplicity for the observed universe. This is a typical response for the accepted technicians. Mine is a radical, not accepted model. I think your model is just adding more parameters to the math rather than simplifying the principles. But take heart. Your thinking is probably going to rate very high in this contest so far. Indeed, I think your essay is the best in line with FQXi thinking and past rewards.

However, I would be interested in your approach to the experiments that reject wave models of light interference. (photon models of interference not the wave-particle type). I have noted your other contributions (1-7 in your references).

Hodge

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 11, 2020 @ 14:12 GMT
Dear Hodge, Thanks for your interest.

If you take a closer look, you'll find that my models don't really increase the complexity although it appears so. Instead, it uses some simple principles and provide more pleasing explanations for the complexity of physics, in particular, the Standard Model.

Most importantly, various predictions are ready to be tested in laboratory experiments. These experimental tests will ultimately tell if my ideas hold water or not.

Wanpeng

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Member Sabine Hossenfelder wrote on Mar. 11, 2020 @ 04:58 GMT
Dear Dr Wang,

You write in your essay: "An immediate implication of quantum indeterminism is that our world has to be dynamic with phase transitions." I don't see why this has to be the case. I can perfectly well conceive of a world that contains a single hydrogen atom which just sits there and that's that. No dynamics, no phase transition, no nothing. Maybe you could clarify for me what you mean by that? With best regards,

Sabine

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Author Wanpeng Tan replied on Mar. 11, 2020 @ 14:32 GMT
Dear Sabine,

I see your point about the jump I made in that statement which you seem to disagree. But I assume that we have a diversified yet consistent world. Determinism of a classic theory tends to give a "complete" picture and is hard to implement phase transitions to account for the complexity of our world. As a matter of fact, a lot of known phase transitions are deeply rooted in quantum theory. In this sense, I argue that quantum indeterminism may indeed be the reason behind our complex world via dynamic processes of phase transitions.

On the other hand, if one imagines a simple or trivial world like a single hydrogen atom, I agree, the argument will not hold.

Thanks,

Wanpeng

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Steve Dufourny replied on Mar. 13, 2020 @ 10:48 GMT
Hi , still a discussion about the inderterminisn of our generality, of course we cannot predict and compute all, it is evident, it is just because we know still so few about how acts this universe, we have many unknowns to discore, we are simply limited. We utilise mathematical Tools and symmetries and others to complete this puzzle, our quantum mechanics and the QFT. The problem is that we don t...

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Flavio Del Santo wrote on Mar. 11, 2020 @ 16:30 GMT
Thanks for your thorough and clear written essay. One of the best I have read so far. I fully agree with your ideas on indeterminism and the foolish search for a final unified theory.This clearly stems from a (quite arrogant) reductionistic approach typical of physicists. I have challenged this myself in the past, and I find very important your final remarks: “ New phenomena and new laws can emerge under phase transitions like superconductivity and other cases. The very nature of quantum indeterminism makes it necessary for pursuing studies of all sub-fields of physics. It may be also why we have so diversified scientific fields ranging from physics, chemistry, biology, to human brains”

I am not an expert in standard model and high energy physics (my work is on quantum foundations and quantum info), but it seems your arguments are sound. I have myself developed arguments for indeterminism (you might want to have a look at my essay and leave a feedback if you like). I wish you to get high in the rating (full score from me).

Flavio

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Dale Carl Gillman wrote on Mar. 11, 2020 @ 23:03 GMT
Hello Dr. Tan,

I enjoyed your essay. I have a number of inquiries-

i) Is the universe, non-locally, (cosmologically) intrinsically deterministic? (“…Concisely, determinism of general relativity is emergent from the underlying indeterministic quantum theory… (p.3)).

ii) “…It is hard to imagine that a static universe is not deterministic unless one assumes different laws at different locations…” (p.3). “…In other words, physics becomes completely different under different spacetime configurations…” I don’t contest this. However, I am unsure that the physical laws would necessarily vary (e.g. Even if the universe was deterministic in some areas and indeterministic what would this say about the topology of the universe?) Do you posit that, over time- the nonlocal geometric topology of the universe has changed from eon to eon?

iii) Can you please explain the relation of Gödel’s other work (on his solution to Einstein’s field equations which involve closed time-like curves) to your work?

iv) Can you please expand on “…In the end, our free will might be tied to indeterminism of quantum particles as indicated in the so-called free will theorem of Conway and Kochen [20]…”?

If you'd like to email me a response- please feel free to: hilbertspaces@protonmail.com

Thank you,

Dale Gillman

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Steve Dufourny wrote on Mar. 12, 2020 @ 11:17 GMT
Hello , I liked the generality of your essay. The evolution is important also in my theory of spherisation, it is the real meaning of my works. I beleive strongly that a TOE cannot be reached and even in 100000 years if we are still there because we have many secrets to discover simply. Our knowledges are limited , of course we evolve and add discoveries, foundamental but we must recognise this fact, we are Youngs even at this universal scale considering this evolution still. All so in not predictable and computable. Thanks for your essay, regards

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John David Crowell wrote on Mar. 14, 2020 @ 21:32 GMT
Wanpeng I enjoyed your essay. However, I have a different perspective. I “put aside” the fundamental idea that that the laws and constants of physics are in effect everywhere, all of the time and never change and replaced it with a Self Creation process that produces and uses the laws and constants of physics when it needs them in its progression to create the physical world. In this scenario the laws and constants become parts of the Successful Self Creation process/results. They are not separate entities. It was successful. I was able to develop a complete mathematically consistent model.My essay “Clarification Of Physics—“ explains this process. I would appreciate your comments on my essay. Thanks John D Crowell

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Gene H Barbee wrote on Mar. 26, 2020 @ 16:22 GMT
Wanpeng,

Way smart. In my humble opinion I don’t think nature follows all of the equations that supposedly represent it. I agree that the Standard Model is a patchwork. I read Dr. Wilczek’s book “A beautiful Question”. Well presented, but I was struck by his summary saying he didn’t know why the entities exist either. I wrote a paper called “How Nature Computes” based on the Standard Model but interpreted it as variations in my proton model.

I believe that nature consists of simple probabilities (but it is not dumb). The unitary solution to Schrodinger’s equation is Probability= exp(iEt/H)*exp(-iEt/H)=1. It is a simple circle that collapses at probability 1, the only interesting point. But I believe that probability 1 is perception, our peep hole into nature that proceeds us. We “login” by becoming aware. I read Andrew Knight’s essay (in this contest) saying events must occur in QM. The event to me is “we perceive protons and electrons in nature”. Probability 1 consists of Schrodinger based wave functions for the proton components. They represent probability 1=1*1*1*1. But each of the 1’s is a combination of probabilities that separate energy into two equal and opposite parts (mass plus kinetic energy minus field energy). Overall E-E=0, P=1 with subcomponent probability=e0/E.

I enjoyed your paper. Your supersymmetric mirror model shows evolution of space and time but I could follow it better if the energies were referenced to each proton. Isn’t nature just a duplication of many, many protons and their associated space? (Protons, electrons and anti-electron neutrinos that decay from original neutrons). Once you understand one proton you understand everything. (Long ago I correlated the baryons and mesons as mass and kinetic energy of proton quarks and the more energetic quarks).

Thanks, hope to hear back.

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Boris Egorov wrote on Apr. 18, 2020 @ 10:23 GMT
Dear Wanpeng,

I find your essay very interesting. You propose an original idea instead of conventional unification paradigm. I completely agree that we need new ideas of unification or even instead of unification.



I wish you good luck

Boris

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 22, 2020 @ 09:48 GMT
Dear Prof Wanpeng Tan,

Well argued essay saying no Unified theory can explain from quantum physics to Cosmology, well said!!!

I have few questions about Godel's law. This law is applicable to Quantum Mechanics, but will this law be applicable to COSMOLOGY.......?????.........

I never encountered any such a problem in Dynamic Universe Model in the Last 40 years, all the the other conditions mentioned in that statement are applicable ok

I hope you will have CRITICAL examination of my essay... "A properly deciding, Computing and Predicting new theory’s Philosophy".....

Regarding proposition........

Why dont you make a new interpretation of quantum mechanics the 21st one, covering all aspects of it including intelligence, observations, experimental results, etc....I feel that with your knowledge you can definitely accomplish it

Best Wishes ....

=snp

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Irek Defee wrote on Apr. 25, 2020 @ 08:36 GMT
Dear Prof Wanpeng Tan,

I recently submitted my entry and when browsing into other essays noticed that we are on the the opposite site of the fence:

https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3508

In my essay there is claim and sketch of arguments that the TOE is possible but as it should be baggage-less it can not be algorithmic theory and thus it has to be rooted in uncomputability. Your essay is extremely well written and argumented but I see a problem from this point of view. You say the there can be no single TOE which is fine. Instead there is bunch of theories but all of them include substantial baggage. It starts with the assumption of the 'zero dimensional space, Planckian-size' which is immediately rising question what is its origin, especially that it is equipped with plenty of structure from the start, including the SMM supersymmetry which poses new questions why it has to be so. Of course when one accepts these assumptions everything afterwards is fine but in my view this is much too much baggage to think about the TOE as it has to be reaching to more fundamental levels, beyond the concepts of time, space, fields, particles, etc.

Best regards,

Irek

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Michael muteru wrote on May. 13, 2020 @ 19:02 GMT
Dear professor wanpeng Tan.your essay is very well done.it provided a platform to which I try to question reality at quantum hierarchical levels The Planck length.could it be really be the ABSOLUTE point zero where physics begins ?I've rated you well.kindly take your time to view my opinion -https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3525.i also admire how you've discussed quantum indeterminism.Thanks and all the best to you in the essay contest.

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Pavel Vadimovich Poluian wrote on May. 15, 2020 @ 14:51 GMT
Dear professor Tan!

Your work is grand in design. We are in awe! Your essay makes think. It has promising thoughts that we liked. Therefore, we decided to give your essay the highest grade. Our rating is 10 points! In our opinion, modern physics should move in this direction, trying to cover conceptually real information processes in the Universe.



Truly yours,

Pavel Poluian and Dmitry Lichargin,

Siberian Federal University.

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Ilgaitis Prusis wrote on May. 17, 2020 @ 15:00 GMT
Dear Wanpeng,

Thank you for your interesting essay. You describe well the conundrums of mainstream physics.

It is not possible to join all force fields on the basis of energy or force. It is possible on the basis of Space. Space is common for all. More in: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329453655_Space_Equ
ation-Basic_Equation_of_Unified_Field_Theory

The GRT is based on wrong presumption that gravity is not a force but the curvature of space. We all feel the force of gravity every day, but we do not feel any curvature of space. The puzzle can be solved by assuming that space is a gravity field. The Space itself does not exist. More in:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329453641_New_Co
ncept_of_Space

The space is curved like gravity field lines: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329842506_New_Conce
ption_of_Space_Curvature

The source of gravity is mass: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330142806_New_Conce
pt_of_Mass

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/333146650
_New_Concept_of_Gravity

Most difficulties arise from the assumption of Standard Model that each new particle is a independent formation of reality. The SM does not take into account that all experiments take place in the Earth's gravitational field. The gravity field, like other potential fields, has allowed energy levels and large forbidden zones between them. The particles of Standard Model are only excited states of electrons, protons and photons. More in: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/329453689_New_Conce
pt_of_Elementary_Particles_Classification

Best regards

Ilgaitis

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