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The deepest foundations of Philosophy, Logic, Maths & Physics, the 3 'Laws of Thought', are flawed. Updated laws can aid decidability, computability, and predictability, also help rationalise much of physics, and inform the paradox problems of Logic & Philosophy. The Greeks A=A is wrong in two ways. Aristotle = Aristotle is false because there is only ONE unique entity; 'Aristotle'. Also that 'prediction' needs 'time', so at higher orders Aristotle isn't even identical to himself a moment later. Similarly flawed are Logics 'excluded middle', and binary maths. Divisible Atoms also need new foundations, which we offer and test. Chaos theory & Godels 'Fuzzy' Sets help suggest coherent answers in; Relativity, QM & Cosmology. The 'Action at a distance' of EM and Gravity emerge from setting Diracs maths 'cut-off' between lowest EM 'coupling' scale; fermion pairs and a 'Higgs Condensate' scale. Dirac was also correct that answers can't emerge in "mathematical terms" but need "physical entities", We should now act on that.
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Studied widely, at UKC, UCA & Westminster over 11yrs in the Sciences, Architecture, Engineering and Philosophy. RIBA, APS, AAS, RI and Fellow of the RAS. Visiting mentor at two universities. Lead Consultant on UK defense, petrochemical & renewable energy projects. Semi-retired to research in Physics & Cosmology. RNLI Governor, ex UK rep. yachtsman, Flag Officer, Rugby club chairman.
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The deepest foundations of Philosophy, Logic, Maths & Physics, the 3 'Laws of Thought', are flawed. Updated laws can aid decidability, computability, and predictability, also help rationalise much of physics, and inform the paradox problems of Logic & Philosophy. The Greeks A=A is wrong in two ways. Aristotle = Aristotle is false because there is only ONE unique entity; 'Aristotle'. Also that 'prediction' needs 'time', so at higher orders Aristotle isn't even identical to himself a moment later. Similarly flawed are Logics 'excluded middle', and binary maths. Divisible Atoms also need new foundations, which we offer and test. Chaos theory & Godels 'Fuzzy' Sets help suggest coherent answers in; Relativity, QM & Cosmology. The 'Action at a distance' of EM and Gravity emerge from setting Diracs maths 'cut-off' between lowest EM 'coupling' scale; fermion pairs and a 'Higgs Condensate' scale. Dirac was also correct that answers can't emerge in "mathematical terms" but need "physical entities", We should now act on that.
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Studied widely, at UKC, UCA & Westminster over 11yrs in the Sciences, Architecture, Engineering and Philosophy. RIBA, APS, AAS, RI and Fellow of the RAS. Visiting mentor at two universities. Lead Consultant on UK defense, petrochemical & renewable energy projects. Semi-retired to research in Physics & Cosmology. RNLI Governor, ex UK rep. yachtsman, Flag Officer, Rugby club chairman.
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Dear Peter,
Really enjoyed this essay, thank you.
It seems to me to show how far the human mind is from knowing reality "clearly", and indeed just how much further our evolved perception is from the task.
Fig 3 is very informing, thank you.
Best,
Jack
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Really enjoyed this essay, thank you.
It seems to me to show how far the human mind is from knowing reality "clearly", and indeed just how much further our evolved perception is from the task.
Fig 3 is very informing, thank you.
Best,
Jack
Thanks Jack. I hope it also shows a way to get to that clear reality, but it seems doctrine based on old predicates is a poor place to start, thus all the problems!
I've downloaded yours to read.
Peter
I've downloaded yours to read.
Peter
Der Peter,
any invariants in your theory?
best,
Heinz
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any invariants in your theory?
best,
Heinz
Hi Heinz.
Good question. First I hesitate to call it a 'theory'. It's more a new overview 'road map' or 'model' showing how the big picture fits together so much better starting with better assumptions. Invariants are then valid for whatever order of accuracy we want. Much more research work is than needed in all detailed areas.
The main one is all EM propagation at LOCAL c.Including on re-emission in EACH 'electron' rest frame. That allows light to change speed BETWEEN moving systems, thus the wavelength change.
In 'QM' our invariant is the relation between rotational and linear momentum at changing latitudes on a sphere surface, at any rad. so representing exchange of momentum. That's Cos theta, and inverse. Exactly as found at Earth's surface.
I think each invariant/constant will need testing and evaluating for the range of 'fuzzy set' orders. Uncertainty CAN then become insignificant, by choice.
Good question. First I hesitate to call it a 'theory'. It's more a new overview 'road map' or 'model' showing how the big picture fits together so much better starting with better assumptions. Invariants are then valid for whatever order of accuracy we want. Much more research work is than needed in all detailed areas.
The main one is all EM propagation at LOCAL c.Including on re-emission in EACH 'electron' rest frame. That allows light to change speed BETWEEN moving systems, thus the wavelength change.
In 'QM' our invariant is the relation between rotational and linear momentum at changing latitudes on a sphere surface, at any rad. so representing exchange of momentum. That's Cos theta, and inverse. Exactly as found at Earth's surface.
I think each invariant/constant will need testing and evaluating for the range of 'fuzzy set' orders. Uncertainty CAN then become insignificant, by choice.
My thoughts are that eventually we might conclude that everything and everyone is a parallel universe and the mathematics that might connect all these multiverses probability might be quantum mechanical. Our sociology, biology and many such endeavors might benefit if the society transitions to these higher dimensional information processes. With digitalization these transitioned cultures might successfully eliminate frictions in interactions to make humanity closer to divinity than ever in the past.
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Hi Peter,
Are you stating that the wavelengths of light are determined by speed? I often suspected that was the case and that Maxwell's equations are flawed because they are based on a constant speed. The variable speed is statistically low so as to make Maxwell's equation acceptable within reason for calculations. The variance is not noticeable over short distances but is overall as one measures light arrivals from the Observable Universe.
P.S. Thank you for the favourable rating on my essay.
Gilbert
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Are you stating that the wavelengths of light are determined by speed? I often suspected that was the case and that Maxwell's equations are flawed because they are based on a constant speed. The variable speed is statistically low so as to make Maxwell's equation acceptable within reason for calculations. The variance is not noticeable over short distances but is overall as one measures light arrivals from the Observable Universe.
P.S. Thank you for the favourable rating on my essay.
Gilbert
Hello again, Pete!
I enjoyed a first read of your essay, there is a LOT to chew on. Just one observation off the cuff; on p.8 you point out a coincidence with Maxwell's 'curl' and thus a squaring of cosine THETA, in consequence of rotation translated at the poles. This is similar in reasoning *physically*, that BOTH permeability and permitivity co-exist in the electrostatic (or magnetic) field, but are mathematically treated separately under opposite signs limiting to a 'c' proportional difference. Hence; (-c)(+c)= (-c^2)! and that is simply ignored in theorizing, and remains unjustified mathematically! It requires being squared to be consistent quadratically with mass:energy equivalence; e=mc^2. Therefore;
(-c^2)^2=c^4!, m(c^4)= e(c^2)! and that argues for a physical universal proportion of total rest energy in a closed system, as the upper density bound at which some (even minute) portion of the total energy must exist to exhibit inertia. And physically translate inertia across a continuum of density variation to an empirical, hypothetical, minimum density bound and thus sequestering a finite quantity of energy in a self-gravitational material particle.
I'll no doubt drop back in later. I have always enjoyed dialogue with you. But right now I need to go outside and do some errands, and talk with with real people I'll meet and keep in touch with my own reality. Absolutely, no two particles are identical! best wishes and hope you have good sailing weather this coming season - jrc
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I enjoyed a first read of your essay, there is a LOT to chew on. Just one observation off the cuff; on p.8 you point out a coincidence with Maxwell's 'curl' and thus a squaring of cosine THETA, in consequence of rotation translated at the poles. This is similar in reasoning *physically*, that BOTH permeability and permitivity co-exist in the electrostatic (or magnetic) field, but are mathematically treated separately under opposite signs limiting to a 'c' proportional difference. Hence; (-c)(+c)= (-c^2)! and that is simply ignored in theorizing, and remains unjustified mathematically! It requires being squared to be consistent quadratically with mass:energy equivalence; e=mc^2. Therefore;
(-c^2)^2=c^4!, m(c^4)= e(c^2)! and that argues for a physical universal proportion of total rest energy in a closed system, as the upper density bound at which some (even minute) portion of the total energy must exist to exhibit inertia. And physically translate inertia across a continuum of density variation to an empirical, hypothetical, minimum density bound and thus sequestering a finite quantity of energy in a self-gravitational material particle.
I'll no doubt drop back in later. I have always enjoyed dialogue with you. But right now I need to go outside and do some errands, and talk with with real people I'll meet and keep in touch with my own reality. Absolutely, no two particles are identical! best wishes and hope you have good sailing weather this coming season - jrc
Hi JC. You almost go it, or likely did but the description is incomplete. Curl is jut ONE of the inverse momentum pair on each particle, giving a cos theta output amplitude. What SQUARES that value, to give QM's data set, is the 2ND interaction & Cos theta, at the analyzer channels, giving the *click* rates. Difficult to visualise & remember! but them Feynman didn't manage it, contributing to all our issues.
I look forward to reading yours.
Peter
I look forward to reading yours.
Peter
Hi Peter,
One of your best essays. You think big!
You note that "maths is proving unable to model and predict the complex physical universe." I fully agree with this but I don't know that it is math, per se, that is the problem. I believe it is projection of inappropriate mathematical structure onto the physical universe that is the problem. This is true in almost...
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One of your best essays. You think big!
You note that "maths is proving unable to model and predict the complex physical universe." I fully agree with this but I don't know that it is math, per se, that is the problem. I believe it is projection of inappropriate mathematical structure onto the physical universe that is the problem. This is true in almost...
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Thanks Ed, Yes, I've compressed a lot in again, but much is evidence of the veracity of the hypotheses; 'resolving power'.
I find the problem with thinking outside the box is continually finding the bigger boxes (when we actually look) rather like Russian dolls, which is pretty well the 'endlessly many spaces within spaces' Einstein finally got right, except the boundary division is 'different motions' k,k'. Thus the shear planes, which hold the key.
I find the Dirac equation actually correct. What it lacked is the physical mechanistic sequence I identify. But will those with 'wierdness' embedded in their indoctrinated brains see with that clarity? Hmm. I look forward to reading yours, particularly your take on 'entanglement' nonsense, which you may recall I derived last year simply via the 2nd 'momentum' and vector addition, so Alice and Bob can reverse THEIR OWN findings, NOT each others!
Seems much of the interest has gone flat with removal of peer scoring. What do you think.
Very best
I find the problem with thinking outside the box is continually finding the bigger boxes (when we actually look) rather like Russian dolls, which is pretty well the 'endlessly many spaces within spaces' Einstein finally got right, except the boundary division is 'different motions' k,k'. Thus the shear planes, which hold the key.
I find the Dirac equation actually correct. What it lacked is the physical mechanistic sequence I identify. But will those with 'wierdness' embedded in their indoctrinated brains see with that clarity? Hmm. I look forward to reading yours, particularly your take on 'entanglement' nonsense, which you may recall I derived last year simply via the 2nd 'momentum' and vector addition, so Alice and Bob can reverse THEIR OWN findings, NOT each others!
Seems much of the interest has gone flat with removal of peer scoring. What do you think.
Very best
To me, your point seems to be that nature/physics is analog and QM, logic(math) is digital. Therefore, QM and logic do not apply to physics.
I agree.
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I agree.
Thanks John. Nice to get so much agreement on quite radical hypotheses, but then they are rather self apparent. The REAL problem is how does anyone get physics to actually ADVANCE!?
I've had a first read of yours and will comment there soon.
Peter
I've had a first read of yours and will comment there soon.
Peter
That is the prime problem. I suggest to first consider all the experiments, those that support current models and those that are problems for current models. Note "experiments" not models. This is rather difficult because many papers on models have an ingrained model in the data. An example is the galaxy redshift observations. They are called "Doppler shift" which assumes the Doppler effect is the...
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The last problem is how to get anybody to accept, 1 other will do.
It took over 50 years to accept continental drift. I'll be long dead by then and probably forgotten. Evan if my STOE is somewhat better, someone else will get the credit.
Any chance your light model can explain some of the experiments (such as the transparent mask experiment) and the Young's, photoelectric, and Afshar experiments?
If so, I'll change. If not perhaps we radical thinkers can merge.
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It took over 50 years to accept continental drift. I'll be long dead by then and probably forgotten. Evan if my STOE is somewhat better, someone else will get the credit.
Any chance your light model can explain some of the experiments (such as the transparent mask experiment) and the Young's, photoelectric, and Afshar experiments?
If so, I'll change. If not perhaps we radical thinkers can merge.
Dear Peter
I agree with the following your views:
Only '"A is not B" is true.
Studying physical entities afresh it becomes apparent.. that for sizes at observable scalesno two physical entities are identical. ..no two galaxies, planets, trees, people, snowflakes or grains of sand will be found absolutely identical ...at a molecular level.
Now we must think more broadly and ask "Is anything in the universe precisely identical?! Clearly no Cluster, Galaxy, Solar System, Planet, Creature, Snowflake, or particle of anything physical we can observe with our best instruments are absolutely identical!
But should that discourage us from seeking the truth. If you look at Boskovic's force curves that forces are there and therefore energy and masses are scattered between two points, ie they are never above one point, which would result in identical masses. But there are cases in nature where these two points are so close that we can speak of equality, that is, of the constancy of some physical parameter. Thus, for example, two protons by mass differ somewhere at 10 ^ N decimals, where N is a large number. But there are parameters such as Planck values that are limits or mean values but do not exist in nature anywhere. Not even a single photon travels at the same speed as light, but the difference is immeasurably small. There are articles on this. Previously, it did not discourage me, but rather led me to find another such important parameter that I called the fundamental particle. Of course, such a particle does not exist, but all other particles are in relation to it. We cannot say: proton A is identical to proton B, but we can say Planck's mass is identical anywhere in the universe. The same goes for the fundamental particle. In my essay, some predictive formulas obtained using a fundamental particle are shown in relation to Planck's values.
Regards Branko
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I agree with the following your views:
Only '"A is not B" is true.
Studying physical entities afresh it becomes apparent.. that for sizes at observable scalesno two physical entities are identical. ..no two galaxies, planets, trees, people, snowflakes or grains of sand will be found absolutely identical ...at a molecular level.
Now we must think more broadly and ask "Is anything in the universe precisely identical?! Clearly no Cluster, Galaxy, Solar System, Planet, Creature, Snowflake, or particle of anything physical we can observe with our best instruments are absolutely identical!
But should that discourage us from seeking the truth. If you look at Boskovic's force curves that forces are there and therefore energy and masses are scattered between two points, ie they are never above one point, which would result in identical masses. But there are cases in nature where these two points are so close that we can speak of equality, that is, of the constancy of some physical parameter. Thus, for example, two protons by mass differ somewhere at 10 ^ N decimals, where N is a large number. But there are parameters such as Planck values that are limits or mean values but do not exist in nature anywhere. Not even a single photon travels at the same speed as light, but the difference is immeasurably small. There are articles on this. Previously, it did not discourage me, but rather led me to find another such important parameter that I called the fundamental particle. Of course, such a particle does not exist, but all other particles are in relation to it. We cannot say: proton A is identical to proton B, but we can say Planck's mass is identical anywhere in the universe. The same goes for the fundamental particle. In my essay, some predictive formulas obtained using a fundamental particle are shown in relation to Planck's values.
Regards Branko
Hi Branko,
Glad you agree. No of COURSE it shouldn't "discourage us from seeking the truth", indeed I hope I show it can represent a REVOLUTION and finally help REVEAL the truth in wide previously poorly related areas! You don't comment on any of those key consequences. Did you read it all? It seems perhaps not.
I get the impression you 'fundamental particle' is a metaphysical concept so I'll be interested to see how it related back the the physical universe.
I will read it all.
Best,
Peter
Glad you agree. No of COURSE it shouldn't "discourage us from seeking the truth", indeed I hope I show it can represent a REVOLUTION and finally help REVEAL the truth in wide previously poorly related areas! You don't comment on any of those key consequences. Did you read it all? It seems perhaps not.
I get the impression you 'fundamental particle' is a metaphysical concept so I'll be interested to see how it related back the the physical universe.
I will read it all.
Best,
Peter
Peter
Thank you for this contribution. It was very interesting to read. It demonstrates the distance between our symbolic language and reality. Our binary thinking in the western world creates polarization as demonstrated in politics in US.
I had much fun reading your article, and hope you will take a look at mine.
With best regards from _____________________ John-Erik
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Thank you for this contribution. It was very interesting to read. It demonstrates the distance between our symbolic language and reality. Our binary thinking in the western world creates polarization as demonstrated in politics in US.
I had much fun reading your article, and hope you will take a look at mine.
With best regards from _____________________ John-Erik
Thanks JE.
We'll continue the discussions elsewhere, though it does seem you may need another, slower, read to remember the important key points. They are packed in rather tightly!
Best
Peter
We'll continue the discussions elsewhere, though it does seem you may need another, slower, read to remember the important key points. They are packed in rather tightly!
Best
Peter
Peter
You are right. Your article is long and I have read it just once.
Regards from _________________ John-Erik
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You are right. Your article is long and I have read it just once.
Regards from _________________ John-Erik
Peter
I have had a second look at your long paper. I notice that we agree on an important question that we must regard natural laws as absolute consistent internally, but nevertheless approximations in relation to nature.
I will read your article again, but I am not qualified in philosophy although I regard the subject very important for physics.
I am an engineer, and not a scientist. So, I have deep knowledge only in very small region around SRT. Science is more like a hobby to me. So this time you cannot expect much respons on your article although I regard your article as very important.
With best regards from _______________________ John-Erik
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I have had a second look at your long paper. I notice that we agree on an important question that we must regard natural laws as absolute consistent internally, but nevertheless approximations in relation to nature.
I will read your article again, but I am not qualified in philosophy although I regard the subject very important for physics.
I am an engineer, and not a scientist. So, I have deep knowledge only in very small region around SRT. Science is more like a hobby to me. So this time you cannot expect much respons on your article although I regard your article as very important.
With best regards from _______________________ John-Erik
Peter,
Good to see you back. Your title is catchy and appropriately identifies your thinking on the topic. You aptly describe the ambiguous state of science and math and solutions. Even your identification of the fundamental problem, that Greek laws are valid for metaphysics but are only approximations for nature invites questions re realism and idealism in philosophy. I like your conclusion which made me realize how we are still impacted by a non-GR frame of reference clouding our thinking and affecting our assessment of a new physics. I had to re-imagine how I say some of the same things in my essay. Your arguments help to reset one's thinking away from the foundational, embracing new discoveries in the quantum and gravitational.
Jim Hoover
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Good to see you back. Your title is catchy and appropriately identifies your thinking on the topic. You aptly describe the ambiguous state of science and math and solutions. Even your identification of the fundamental problem, that Greek laws are valid for metaphysics but are only approximations for nature invites questions re realism and idealism in philosophy. I like your conclusion which made me realize how we are still impacted by a non-GR frame of reference clouding our thinking and affecting our assessment of a new physics. I had to re-imagine how I say some of the same things in my essay. Your arguments help to reset one's thinking away from the foundational, embracing new discoveries in the quantum and gravitational.
Jim Hoover
Thanks Jim,
Nice to hear from those who haven't just skimmed over it and can see it's import. I'll get to yours before long.
Best
Peter
Nice to hear from those who haven't just skimmed over it and can see it's import. I'll get to yours before long.
Best
Peter
There are identical particles in QM.
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Yes, but each one of conjugate pair is assumed OPPOSITE! And there's the error. They just have opposite orientation. (= 'Entanglement'!) If Alice Flips her DETECTOR angle (electrons) her OUTCOME reverses.
THEN QM BECOMES SENSIBLE AND CLASSICAL, AS JOHN BELL PREDICTED!
Or is physics buried to deep in the mire of nonsense it can never escape?
THEN QM BECOMES SENSIBLE AND CLASSICAL, AS JOHN BELL PREDICTED!
Or is physics buried to deep in the mire of nonsense it can never escape?
Hi Peter, good to meet again in this contest.
Congratulations with your qubit approach of expressions that were only validated with yes or no. Indeed there is as I said before in one of my writings an infinity of colours between black and white.
The comment of Edwin Klingman covers most of my remarks on your essay.
I hope you will also find some time to read and comment on my essay.
Of course again the best of luck in this contest, you were able to receive the highest score several times so it must be no problem (but still no member of FQXi, maybe this time...)
best regards
Wilhelmus de Wilde
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Congratulations with your qubit approach of expressions that were only validated with yes or no. Indeed there is as I said before in one of my writings an infinity of colours between black and white.
The comment of Edwin Klingman covers most of my remarks on your essay.
I hope you will also find some time to read and comment on my essay.
Of course again the best of luck in this contest, you were able to receive the highest score several times so it must be no problem (but still no member of FQXi, maybe this time...)
best regards
Wilhelmus de Wilde
https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3411
Thanks Wilhelmus, I'm glad we agree on some clear & critical truths. But top scoring among free thinkers seems quite different to ANY recognition by narrow thinking doctrinal physics. Now not even admitting peer scores reveals the poor attitude causing the standstill in theoretical advancement!
I've now read & commented on yours.
Very best
Peter
I've now read & commented on yours.
Very best
Peter
Hi Peter,
Nice essay. Thanks.
Revised laws can release a flood of new coherent & unified physical interpretations across all Physics and Cosmology and inform Logic & Philosophy.
A new understanding will be about the limit of limits, and our own, and thus how fine we can understand something. First we have a gross view and more and more details come next. It takes a long time for general understanding to come from strict matter to ?????? an ever increasing unknown map of details and so also of possible interpretations and possibilities for application. And with it will come more and more the question: ‘What do I understand anyway and how?’
The included middle gives way to crossing borders and the joy of connection but also to infinite tiny islands of specific viewpoints each with an own interpretation. And all will be true.
We´re on the brink of a new time. AI and biotech will shovel all old paradigms into the waste bin.
We will make some leaps. In quantum and quality.
Exciting
Bests,
Jos
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Nice essay. Thanks.
Revised laws can release a flood of new coherent & unified physical interpretations across all Physics and Cosmology and inform Logic & Philosophy.
A new understanding will be about the limit of limits, and our own, and thus how fine we can understand something. First we have a gross view and more and more details come next. It takes a long time for general understanding to come from strict matter to ?????? an ever increasing unknown map of details and so also of possible interpretations and possibilities for application. And with it will come more and more the question: ‘What do I understand anyway and how?’
The included middle gives way to crossing borders and the joy of connection but also to infinite tiny islands of specific viewpoints each with an own interpretation. And all will be true.
We´re on the brink of a new time. AI and biotech will shovel all old paradigms into the waste bin.
We will make some leaps. In quantum and quality.
Exciting
Bests,
Jos
Thanks for your appreciation and good understanding Jos.
I hope you're right about the 'leaps ahead'. They're long overdue, but the problems in Academia I've seen from both sides are difficult and I fear may become insurmountable if attitudes don't change soon.
10 years ago I wrote it may take 10 years to change old flawed paradigms ("2020 Vision") as our intellectual evolution continues. Unfortunately it seems in much of academia that evolution may have ground to a near halt! We can only keep trying, and essays and comments here may be telling.
Top physics such as Freeman Dyson say; "Our job is to show where old doctrine is wrong and advance it", but it seems all the 'rump' of lesser physicists see their job as the exact opposite!!
I look forward to reading yours.
Very Best
Peter
I hope you're right about the 'leaps ahead'. They're long overdue, but the problems in Academia I've seen from both sides are difficult and I fear may become insurmountable if attitudes don't change soon.
10 years ago I wrote it may take 10 years to change old flawed paradigms ("2020 Vision") as our intellectual evolution continues. Unfortunately it seems in much of academia that evolution may have ground to a near halt! We can only keep trying, and essays and comments here may be telling.
Top physics such as Freeman Dyson say; "Our job is to show where old doctrine is wrong and advance it", but it seems all the 'rump' of lesser physicists see their job as the exact opposite!!
I look forward to reading yours.
Very Best
Peter
Regarding paradigm changes, I decided to ignore maths, philosophy and the current thinking in physics and start off my thinking back in classical physics, which I saw back then as 'pure'.
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Hi Peter,
A very interesting essay with a lot of things discussed and extrapolated. I d like to have some explainations how you see really these foundamental objects first of all ? and why in deeper explainations you consider superluminal velocities ? and about this quantum gravitation, could you develop a Little bit please ?
I d like to know also if you can your general philosophy correlated with these foundamental objects, why they are and why they create our physicality.What is the source, the main field or the main cause. And also do you consider that we are an accident due to probabilities and maths or that we come from a kind of infinite eternal consciousness beyond this physicality transforming this energy with codes, informations or fields , this eternal infinite consciousness for me is a thing that we cannot define. What are also your ideas about this DM and DE, I am curious lol , regards
ps like I liked your essay, I have shared it on facebook
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A very interesting essay with a lot of things discussed and extrapolated. I d like to have some explainations how you see really these foundamental objects first of all ? and why in deeper explainations you consider superluminal velocities ? and about this quantum gravitation, could you develop a Little bit please ?
I d like to know also if you can your general philosophy correlated with these foundamental objects, why they are and why they create our physicality.What is the source, the main field or the main cause. And also do you consider that we are an accident due to probabilities and maths or that we come from a kind of infinite eternal consciousness beyond this physicality transforming this energy with codes, informations or fields , this eternal infinite consciousness for me is a thing that we cannot define. What are also your ideas about this DM and DE, I am curious lol , regards
ps like I liked your essay, I have shared it on facebook
Thanks Steve.
They're actually spherical rotations!, at all scales, but also as 'twin vortices' (embedded) so with similarities to Earth's 'toroidal' magnetosphere.
There's no superluminal PROPAGATION! but all physics is LOCAL, so a charge doing c in a passing train CAN be seen at APPARENT C+V as nothing propagates at over c.
Consider Bernoulli, or just a low pressure weather system. As we 'stir up' the medium to a vortex ("Matter") it forms a pressure gradient around it all the time it's there. Any matter placed IN that zone has it's own surrounding gradient and gravitates towards the centre, or both gravitate towards EACH OTHER.
Yes philosophy looses it's paradoxes. The atom IS 'divisible', recursive and fractal like a Mandelbrot Set, so we have an INCLUDED but 'REDUCING' MIDDLE between 0 and 1. If you touch a spinning sphere near the equator do you experience clockwise or anti-clockwise rotation? You can't tell of course ('uncertainty') but CAN tell 100% at the poles! The distribution between is non-linear by CosLatitude.
We are then more an 'accident' than anything undefinable, but more a consequence of the process, likely unique but perhaps much similar life has evolved within the many iterations of a cyclic universe, growing with each cycle (so matching the evidence, unlike the BB cosmology!).
DM&DE seem totally misunderstood. The free Majorana fermions (electrons etc) do a perfectly good job as so called dark matter (n=1), and the 'sub-matter' scale rotation which forms the 'HIGGS' CONDENSATE does a very good job as 'dark energy'. (just a smaller rotation, NOT coupling with but FORMING the EM 'waves' that couple with electrons.
Changing the foundations is rather like being shown the picture on that giant jigsaw puzzle - throw away old beliefs and suddenly it all fits together coherently! Of course there will always be things unanswered.
Very best
peter
They're actually spherical rotations!, at all scales, but also as 'twin vortices' (embedded) so with similarities to Earth's 'toroidal' magnetosphere.
There's no superluminal PROPAGATION! but all physics is LOCAL, so a charge doing c in a passing train CAN be seen at APPARENT C+V as nothing propagates at over c.
Consider Bernoulli, or just a low pressure weather system. As we 'stir up' the medium to a vortex ("Matter") it forms a pressure gradient around it all the time it's there. Any matter placed IN that zone has it's own surrounding gradient and gravitates towards the centre, or both gravitate towards EACH OTHER.
Yes philosophy looses it's paradoxes. The atom IS 'divisible', recursive and fractal like a Mandelbrot Set, so we have an INCLUDED but 'REDUCING' MIDDLE between 0 and 1. If you touch a spinning sphere near the equator do you experience clockwise or anti-clockwise rotation? You can't tell of course ('uncertainty') but CAN tell 100% at the poles! The distribution between is non-linear by CosLatitude.
We are then more an 'accident' than anything undefinable, but more a consequence of the process, likely unique but perhaps much similar life has evolved within the many iterations of a cyclic universe, growing with each cycle (so matching the evidence, unlike the BB cosmology!).
DM&DE seem totally misunderstood. The free Majorana fermions (electrons etc) do a perfectly good job as so called dark matter (n=1), and the 'sub-matter' scale rotation which forms the 'HIGGS' CONDENSATE does a very good job as 'dark energy'. (just a smaller rotation, NOT coupling with but FORMING the EM 'waves' that couple with electrons.
Changing the foundations is rather like being shown the picture on that giant jigsaw puzzle - throw away old beliefs and suddenly it all fits together coherently! Of course there will always be things unanswered.
Very best
peter
Hi Peter, thanks for developping your ideas, I thought about this generally , I have posted and answered on the essay of Philip Gibbs, I like his reasoning,
Here is the answer about a general point of vue on these informations.
Hello Ulla, happy to see you here, hello Professor Gibbs, here is general thought about these informations.
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Here is the answer about a general point of vue on these informations.
Hello Ulla, happy to see you here, hello Professor Gibbs, here is general thought about these informations.
Entropical spherical informations and...
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Dear Professor Peter Jackson,
thanks for remembering me once again.
you nicely described about equality in your essay.....A 'Heap' is a vague predicate, yet we can have 2 or more separable heaps. One grain of sand is not a 'heap', but adding one at a time makes it so. But when?! Taking grains away does the inverse. For maths we assume 2 heaps of sand can be equal, which is our first approximation.But can't we weigh them? or even count the grains to be sure? Of course, but just more approximations. It would take an infinite supply of 'final grain' sizes to ensure weight equality. The irony then is that of course each grain is different, so abstraction to equalnumbers also won't give us equal heaps!........ Mathematically and philosophically correct.
When we weigh in grams or measure in liters.... they are not equal....
None of my papers are TALL claims, all are correct, you can see all these individual papers from my blog. we can discuss.......
They were nice interactions in earlier contests, please check mail
Best wishes for your paper
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thanks for remembering me once again.
you nicely described about equality in your essay.....A 'Heap' is a vague predicate, yet we can have 2 or more separable heaps. One grain of sand is not a 'heap', but adding one at a time makes it so. But when?! Taking grains away does the inverse. For maths we assume 2 heaps of sand can be equal, which is our first approximation.But can't we weigh them? or even count the grains to be sure? Of course, but just more approximations. It would take an infinite supply of 'final grain' sizes to ensure weight equality. The irony then is that of course each grain is different, so abstraction to equalnumbers also won't give us equal heaps!........ Mathematically and philosophically correct.
When we weigh in grams or measure in liters.... they are not equal....
None of my papers are TALL claims, all are correct, you can see all these individual papers from my blog. we can discuss.......
They were nice interactions in earlier contests, please check mail
Best wishes for your paper
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Many thanks, always nice to find agreement, also noted on your own string.
Peter
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Peter I enjoyed your essay and I agree that there are flaws in the currently accepted foundations of physics. I set aside the current assumptions, proposed impossibles and limitations of physics and was able to go to a more fundamental level and develop a different mathematical model that includes the creation of “our” multiverse that includes the visible universe. The model has a new beginning, a different process and predicts a different ending. I would appreciate your comments on my essay. John D Crowell
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John,
I try to read all who read and comment on mine, (though mainly ABOUT the subject essay is always better!)
Peter
I try to read all who read and comment on mine, (though mainly ABOUT the subject essay is always better!)
Peter
Dear Peter,
Thank you for your comments on my essay, a copy from the answer hereby.
Dear Peter,
I am NOT AT ALL a fan of Everetts MWI, on the contrary, I introduce a NEW Interpretation, the Total Simultaneity Interpretation (TSI).
In TSI there are no more split-ups. ONE line is proceeding and te other from the split is turning back into Total Simultaneity.
Perhaps it was a mistake to say that ALL future and past split-ups are ONE entity TS. It was just comparing Now we don't have any more split-up material realities to explain quantum physics...
I hope you can understand it better now because this is really the essence of my thinking.
There are more authors who don't understand this subject, so I think I will prepare an addendum and sent it to the participants of the contest. On the other side I don't know if they see it as "publicity" for my essay, so...
Thanks for your attention
Wilhelmus.
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Dear Peter,
I am NOT AT ALL a fan of Everetts MWI, on the contrary, I introduce a NEW Interpretation, the Total Simultaneity Interpretation (TSI).
In TSI there are no more split-ups. ONE line is proceeding and te other from the split is turning back into Total Simultaneity.
Perhaps it was a mistake to say that ALL future and past split-ups are ONE entity TS. It was just comparing Now we don't have any more split-up material realities to explain quantum physics...
I hope you can understand it better now because this is really the essence of my thinking.
There are more authors who don't understand this subject, so I think I will prepare an addendum and sent it to the participants of the contest. On the other side I don't know if they see it as "publicity" for my essay, so...
Thanks for your attention
Wilhelmus.
Dear Peter Jackson
FQXi.org has allowed me to upload an updated version of my essay Why Can’t Y’all See The ONE Thing I See? because of the change in the competition submission date. I would appreciate it if you could find the time to read my updated version and perhaps leave a comment about it.
Joe Fisher
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FQXi.org has allowed me to upload an updated version of my essay Why Can’t Y’all See The ONE Thing I See? because of the change in the competition submission date. I would appreciate it if you could find the time to read my updated version and perhaps leave a comment about it.
Joe Fisher
Joe,
I responded on your string, I read and commented once, if you make a similar effort I'll be happy to do so a 2nd time.
Best
Peter
I responded on your string, I read and commented once, if you make a similar effort I'll be happy to do so a 2nd time.
Best
Peter
Dear Peter,
As usual, you wrote a provocative but nice Essay. Again, your interpretation of John Bell's ideas is opposite to the standard thinking. At the quantum level, your statement that "The Greeks A=A is wrong" seems consistent with Pauli's Principle for Fermions, but, what about Bosons? In any case, your Essay enjoyed me. Thus, I will give you a high score. Good luck in the Contest.
Cheers, Ch.
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As usual, you wrote a provocative but nice Essay. Again, your interpretation of John Bell's ideas is opposite to the standard thinking. At the quantum level, your statement that "The Greeks A=A is wrong" seems consistent with Pauli's Principle for Fermions, but, what about Bosons? In any case, your Essay enjoyed me. Thus, I will give you a high score. Good luck in the Contest.
Cheers, Ch.
Christian.
Thank you kindly, Yes, common views on Bell are quite different, but I'm careful to actually quote him accurately not 'interpret', which shows familiar interpretation quite wrong.
And Pauli/Boscovich 'exclusion' is indeed extended here, as 'relative motion' implies each party has one definable kinetic state only at any gauge (but a translating body MAY also rotate).
It seems Bosons may be essentially mathematical descriptions of helical motions of smaller change 'states', and photons only quantized on absorption & re-emission (including 'measurement'). Can you think why not?
The revised foundations proposed seem to allow far more consistent physics!
Very best.
Peter
Thank you kindly, Yes, common views on Bell are quite different, but I'm careful to actually quote him accurately not 'interpret', which shows familiar interpretation quite wrong.
And Pauli/Boscovich 'exclusion' is indeed extended here, as 'relative motion' implies each party has one definable kinetic state only at any gauge (but a translating body MAY also rotate).
It seems Bosons may be essentially mathematical descriptions of helical motions of smaller change 'states', and photons only quantized on absorption & re-emission (including 'measurement'). Can you think why not?
The revised foundations proposed seem to allow far more consistent physics!
Very best.
Peter
Dear Peter Jackson,
Thank you for your reply. In the 2018 competition, I was so excited when I discovered a sensible alternative explanation for a Natural Universe that did not include finite spatial dimensions, I tried to inform my fellow essayists only to find out just how hostile and unresponsive they were. This year, I swore that I would not post any comments at all on my rival essayists’ essays. The new version of my essay gives a more definitive explanation of Natural Visible Reality. You had already favorably commented on my essay and I am thankful that you did so. Your essay is of course extremely well written, except you are trying to give an explanation of finite flaws supposedly in finite physical laws. Natural Visible Reality has no flaws or laws because it is infinite.
Joe Fisher
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Thank you for your reply. In the 2018 competition, I was so excited when I discovered a sensible alternative explanation for a Natural Universe that did not include finite spatial dimensions, I tried to inform my fellow essayists only to find out just how hostile and unresponsive they were. This year, I swore that I would not post any comments at all on my rival essayists’ essays. The new version of my essay gives a more definitive explanation of Natural Visible Reality. You had already favorably commented on my essay and I am thankful that you did so. Your essay is of course extremely well written, except you are trying to give an explanation of finite flaws supposedly in finite physical laws. Natural Visible Reality has no flaws or laws because it is infinite.
Joe Fisher
Thanks Joe,
Actually infinity is exactly what I'm arguing, which is the opposite of Boolean logic. And not just 'spatial dimension' (and also smaller as well as larger), but temporally, 'Cycles' are eternal.
But what you really needed to swear was just that you wouldn't talk all about YOUR essay on other essay strings, just explain it better on your own. That's fine, and wouldn't generate hostility.
Very Best
Peter
Actually infinity is exactly what I'm arguing, which is the opposite of Boolean logic. And not just 'spatial dimension' (and also smaller as well as larger), but temporally, 'Cycles' are eternal.
But what you really needed to swear was just that you wouldn't talk all about YOUR essay on other essay strings, just explain it better on your own. That's fine, and wouldn't generate hostility.
Very Best
Peter
Dear Peter,
Very strong and deep ideas aimed at overcoming the crisis of understanding in the philosophical basis of fundamental science. Our views on the basics of knowledge are very close. But the dialectics and ontology of the “Beginning”, I believe, must be deepened and presented in a symbol that will be understood not only by scientists and reflect the ontological, epistemological, gnoseological, axiological simplicity of Complexity. We must proceed from the fact that quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity are parametric (phenomenological, operationalist) theories without an ontological basification. When searching for truth, it is always good for physicists and mathematicians to remember the philosophical covenant of John Archibald Wheeler: "To my mind there must be, at the bottom of it all, not an equation, but an utterly simple idea. And to me that idea, when we discover it, will be so compelling, so inevitable, that we will say to one another, 'Oh, how beautiful. How could it have been otherwise?'
With best regards, Vladimir
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Very strong and deep ideas aimed at overcoming the crisis of understanding in the philosophical basis of fundamental science. Our views on the basics of knowledge are very close. But the dialectics and ontology of the “Beginning”, I believe, must be deepened and presented in a symbol that will be understood not only by scientists and reflect the ontological, epistemological, gnoseological, axiological simplicity of Complexity. We must proceed from the fact that quantum mechanics and the general theory of relativity are parametric (phenomenological, operationalist) theories without an ontological basification. When searching for truth, it is always good for physicists and mathematicians to remember the philosophical covenant of John Archibald Wheeler: "To my mind there must be, at the bottom of it all, not an equation, but an utterly simple idea. And to me that idea, when we discover it, will be so compelling, so inevitable, that we will say to one another, 'Oh, how beautiful. How could it have been otherwise?'
With best regards, Vladimir
Thanks Vladimir,
It's nice to agree on so much patently true. I do love that Wheeler quote so right, but maybe also so wrong as it's patently now identified but nobody's saying; "Oh, how beautiful, (which it is) ..How could it have been otherwise?'. It seems beliefs rule over ontologyy, and few even genuinely understand the problem!! But see my conversation with Ronald Radicot on his string.(1st March on).
It may be summed up as dialectic OAM momenta, with trialectic axes (x,y,z).
I see my score's had a boost after the 1.0 hit earlier! Thank you.
Very best.
Peter
It's nice to agree on so much patently true. I do love that Wheeler quote so right, but maybe also so wrong as it's patently now identified but nobody's saying; "Oh, how beautiful, (which it is) ..How could it have been otherwise?'. It seems beliefs rule over ontologyy, and few even genuinely understand the problem!! But see my conversation with Ronald Radicot on his string.(1st March on).
It may be summed up as dialectic OAM momenta, with trialectic axes (x,y,z).
I see my score's had a boost after the 1.0 hit earlier! Thank you.
Very best.
Peter
Thanks, Peter, for reading my essay. For the first time, I'm updating my essay, considering the virus events and the extension of the deadline. Hope you will read my update. I rated yours nicely on the 20th of March soon after they extended the deadline and I was able to see the rating carnage.
Jim Hoover
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Thanks Jim,
I've made a note to go back to it, after the pile I still have! And will certainly rate it. (well.. as my initial comments)
Best Peter
I've made a note to go back to it, after the pile I still have! And will certainly rate it. (well.. as my initial comments)
Best Peter
Peter,
I found your comments very helpful and incorporated same of your suggestions in my update. Wanted to let you know that I updated my essay and uploaded it a few minutes ago. Personally I feel that it is greatly improved. I appreciate your candor and would like to see any additional comments you might have.
Please check mine out if you have time. Such honest, No BS, reviews are needed by all of us.
Jim Hoover
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I found your comments very helpful and incorporated same of your suggestions in my update. Wanted to let you know that I updated my essay and uploaded it a few minutes ago. Personally I feel that it is greatly improved. I appreciate your candor and would like to see any additional comments you might have.
Please check mine out if you have time. Such honest, No BS, reviews are needed by all of us.
Jim Hoover
James,
Sorry I didn't comment on your v2. No time! Glad my comments helped it. I did score it (an 8). Well done.
Very best.
Peter
Sorry I didn't comment on your v2. No time! Glad my comments helped it. I did score it (an 8). Well done.
Very best.
Peter
Dear Peter,
Thanks for your kind comments and high rating of my essay. I apologise for this a little belated answer; I have been heavily involved in another project and could not follow FQXi entirely; I am sure I must have missed many exciting essays alas.
I will do my best to follow your interesting works and see whether I can help/critise/... .
Meanwhile feel free to contact my email if you like to discuss something. I would be more than happy to discuss exciting ideas!
Keep motivation and following your nice thoughts,
Alireza
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Thanks for your kind comments and high rating of my essay. I apologise for this a little belated answer; I have been heavily involved in another project and could not follow FQXi entirely; I am sure I must have missed many exciting essays alas.
I will do my best to follow your interesting works and see whether I can help/critise/... .
Meanwhile feel free to contact my email if you like to discuss something. I would be more than happy to discuss exciting ideas!
Keep motivation and following your nice thoughts,
Alireza
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i promised to read carfully and comment and rate.
I rated a 10.0, because your essay "content" is extraordinary. We all use different languages to model reality, so not everyone can understand everything as it is written. Nevertheless you ring the bells quite well with your Conclusions. We have Flaws in our deepest foundations. I agree so much.
I discussed with a...
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i promised to read carfully and comment and rate.
I rated a 10.0, because your essay "content" is extraordinary. We all use different languages to model reality, so not everyone can understand everything as it is written. Nevertheless you ring the bells quite well with your Conclusions. We have Flaws in our deepest foundations. I agree so much.
I discussed with a...
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PS.. i tried to explain with simple pictures on my website the idea of sun and earth and the universe as a threesome. Funny is, yes sun is center of solar system somehow, as if we look at sun, we see the surface of earth from the other side.. so if you look in the sky, this is a "mirror" and if earth is destroyed, not only sun will be destroyed with it, but all Galaxies you see in sky. Galaxys are only a "mirror" of planet earth.
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Manfred,
Thanks, but as an astronomer whose long studied and built up an intimate familiarity with our solar system, galaxy and the universe I struggle to fine any data consistent with that hypothesis. Do you have any access to the AJ or MNRAS? If not the arXiv is a rich source, if rather tied to old doctrine. None the less I'm always open minded so will have a look and study your evidence and logic.
I'll also ensure I score your essay.
Very best
Peter
Thanks, but as an astronomer whose long studied and built up an intimate familiarity with our solar system, galaxy and the universe I struggle to fine any data consistent with that hypothesis. Do you have any access to the AJ or MNRAS? If not the arXiv is a rich source, if rather tied to old doctrine. None the less I'm always open minded so will have a look and study your evidence and logic.
I'll also ensure I score your essay.
Very best
Peter
You don't need evidence or arxiv. You must just build upon your logic. You have earth and sun. No one can be sure if earth is encirceling sun or sun encirceling earth. Therefore you take center of earth (dot) and center of sun (dot) Then you draw a line between those points and make 55/50 = 1/1 = pi
Then you have three dots. To materialize them now you need to make "volumes". for that you use a sphere Volume. Three times : pi / pi = pi is the setup for sun, earth and center of universe. Center of universe is then surface of earth (3-dim surface c^2 : m c^2)
Then universe (earth system) has a fixed center and can drift through space and time.
You don't need to "observe" this, this is logic also a blind use to navigate on earth. Solar system is the only calculated with Electromagnetic force.
You can't find that on arxiv or anywhere else.
It is the pythagorean advanced universe. Takes us back 2000 years into future.
Very best
Manfred
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Then you have three dots. To materialize them now you need to make "volumes". for that you use a sphere Volume. Three times : pi / pi = pi is the setup for sun, earth and center of universe. Center of universe is then surface of earth (3-dim surface c^2 : m c^2)
Then universe (earth system) has a fixed center and can drift through space and time.
You don't need to "observe" this, this is logic also a blind use to navigate on earth. Solar system is the only calculated with Electromagnetic force.
You can't find that on arxiv or anywhere else.
It is the pythagorean advanced universe. Takes us back 2000 years into future.
Very best
Manfred
Dear Peter,
there is a venerable tradition of trying to cook up new logics to better describe the world. Dialetheism has a rich history, and there are of course the attempts by Reichenbach and von Neumann/Birkhoff to capture quantum weirdness with modifications to the propositional structure of logic---Reichenbach with introducing a many-valued approach, von Neumann/Birkhoff through...
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there is a venerable tradition of trying to cook up new logics to better describe the world. Dialetheism has a rich history, and there are of course the attempts by Reichenbach and von Neumann/Birkhoff to capture quantum weirdness with modifications to the propositional structure of logic---Reichenbach with introducing a many-valued approach, von Neumann/Birkhoff through...
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Jochen, Thanks, My mentor Freeman Dyson agreed, ANY advancement means all OTHERS will "feel sort of lost", also Lorentz, Feynman etc. And yes I also studied logic & philosophy, both in crisis! Yes I pack a lot in, testing conventional thinkers, but all refs are given.
You wrongly infer I suggest loosing "the absolute identity of quantum particles.", I just suggest they can have different polar axis angles, except when 'paired', but I DO challenge that only a "statistical approach to QM", can work, & show how we can "do better" as Bell suggested! Shocking? Tes. But seems also true (I cited the verification plot). That's what I'd like you to test.
I hope you get a mo as it may be rather important to advancement.
Very Best
Peter
You wrongly infer I suggest loosing "the absolute identity of quantum particles.", I just suggest they can have different polar axis angles, except when 'paired', but I DO challenge that only a "statistical approach to QM", can work, & show how we can "do better" as Bell suggested! Shocking? Tes. But seems also true (I cited the verification plot). That's what I'd like you to test.
I hope you get a mo as it may be rather important to advancement.
Very Best
Peter
Dear Peter Jackson, I read your informative essay and I completely agree with you that rotational movement, i.e. vortices play a major role in the appearance of mass in corpuscles. To the question, what moves? I answer - space moves relative to itself. Copernicus, when he noticed that the Earth revolves around the Sun, lost sight of the fact that with it all the solar space revolves around it.
I invite you to discuss my essay, in which I show the successes of the neocartesian generalization of modern physics, based on the identity of Descartes’ space and matter: “The transformation of uncertainty into certainty. The relationship of the Lorentz factor with the probability density of states. And more from a new Cartesian generalization of modern physics. by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich ". At the very beginning of the essay, I repeat twice the idea that rectilinear motion, in essence, is a motion around a circle of infinitely large radius and, if this radius is reduced, then in infinitesimal laws of motion according to the theory of relativity will go over to the laws of quantum mechanics.
Next come mathematical formulas that only spoil my essay, but without them in any way. I will be pleased if you catch their main meaning and bless me for the further generalization of modern physics. I give high ratings to those who visit my page and leave her comment on it regarding the neo-Cartesian generalization of modern physics, even if they did not agree.
Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.
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I invite you to discuss my essay, in which I show the successes of the neocartesian generalization of modern physics, based on the identity of Descartes’ space and matter: “The transformation of uncertainty into certainty. The relationship of the Lorentz factor with the probability density of states. And more from a new Cartesian generalization of modern physics. by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich ". At the very beginning of the essay, I repeat twice the idea that rectilinear motion, in essence, is a motion around a circle of infinitely large radius and, if this radius is reduced, then in infinitesimal laws of motion according to the theory of relativity will go over to the laws of quantum mechanics.
Next come mathematical formulas that only spoil my essay, but without them in any way. I will be pleased if you catch their main meaning and bless me for the further generalization of modern physics. I give high ratings to those who visit my page and leave her comment on it regarding the neo-Cartesian generalization of modern physics, even if they did not agree.
Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.
Dear Peter Jackson, with your comment you have lifted my mood. I had a hope that our path in science would leave at least some trace and that scientists would pay attention to the fact that space is matter, and matter is space that moves, since it is matter. It is motion that turns space into observable matter - substance. The rotational motion of space is the most energetically favorable motion in comparison with a rectilinear motion. In order to force a space, for example, a body, to move rectilinearly, it is necessary to expend infinitely large energy, i.e. inertial systems do not exist. Their existence can only be talked about in infinitesimal dimensions, which are realized in quantum mechanics.
Peter, I wish you success in your scientific research and become one of the winners of this competition.
Regards, Boris Dzhechko
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Peter, I wish you success in your scientific research and become one of the winners of this competition.
Regards, Boris Dzhechko
Thanks Boris, but the judges have long made it clear John Templeton's aims are forgotten and nothing advancing doctrinal paradigms or our understanding of nature will be entertained! Peer pressure I suppose.
Yes, I agree there is no entirely rectilinear motion in the universe. Light has a notionally linear 'optical axis', but only within moving systems, so not 'real' and also non-linear with respect to all other systems.
Very best of luck to yours.
Peter
Yes, I agree there is no entirely rectilinear motion in the universe. Light has a notionally linear 'optical axis', but only within moving systems, so not 'real' and also non-linear with respect to all other systems.
Very best of luck to yours.
Peter
Dear Peter
Nice essay you have written, quite illuminating. I must confess that I have never entertained the idea that statements are provisional and metaphysical. I think you are right about this. We put these idealizations on a top level, in a level of perfection and take them as reference. We talk about the infinite but in reality we do not measure infinities, similarly, we talk about identity although things are not identical. So, the logical laws are mere metaphysical statements living in the realm of perfection. To be more realistic, it would be more correct to say that something is similar or approximately equal to something else. I am still digesting all of this. Good contribution to the contest!
Good luck!
Israel
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Nice essay you have written, quite illuminating. I must confess that I have never entertained the idea that statements are provisional and metaphysical. I think you are right about this. We put these idealizations on a top level, in a level of perfection and take them as reference. We talk about the infinite but in reality we do not measure infinities, similarly, we talk about identity although things are not identical. So, the logical laws are mere metaphysical statements living in the realm of perfection. To be more realistic, it would be more correct to say that something is similar or approximately equal to something else. I am still digesting all of this. Good contribution to the contest!
Good luck!
Israel
Thanks Israel,
I was confident you'd comprehend what so many don't and dismiss due to cognitive dissonance (or 'beliefs'). Lawrence's responses for instance typify that. But it's the implications of those new foundations that most important for understanding. Following those is indeed hard.
Well done for yours to.
Peter
I was confident you'd comprehend what so many don't and dismiss due to cognitive dissonance (or 'beliefs'). Lawrence's responses for instance typify that. But it's the implications of those new foundations that most important for understanding. Following those is indeed hard.
Well done for yours to.
Peter
Hi Peter,
Thank you are reading my essay. I appreciate your comments.
It took me a while to read yours. There is a lot there. Clearly you are challenged by uniting QM and classical physics. This is a very worthwhile endeavor and at the heart of the un-decidability essay. I didn’t know there was a logic discussion connected to the excluded middle. As you point out things are not black and white. Probabilities and distributions are important in any system that interacts and shares properties. Thermodynamics and fluid dynamics are examples you use. QM has been different especially when it comes to electromagnetic states that occur in jumps. If, as you do, believe that there is a ubiquitous Higgs Condensate consisting of virtual particles, it seems logical that there would be distributions across all classical and QM states. I was a little skeptical about how this fluid would produce the gravitational potential. Gravity is known to be very long range. I could understand how it might surround bodies, perhaps similar to SR curved space, but the LIGO results show that the pulse travels at C. This might challenge a theory based on fluids (my thought here is that fluids interact locally at the speed of sound). Overall a well thought out on point essay.
I noted that many essays are saying that no Unified Theory is possible. But yours, mine, Dr. Kadin’s and a couple of others haven’t given up. After reading several essays I was concerned that we are working on different problems. Do we really agree on what the requirements are? I spent a couple of days proposing a set of requirements. It is posted under my essay and I reviewed some my own work. If you have time, I would appreciate your thoughts.
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Thank you are reading my essay. I appreciate your comments.
It took me a while to read yours. There is a lot there. Clearly you are challenged by uniting QM and classical physics. This is a very worthwhile endeavor and at the heart of the un-decidability essay. I didn’t know there was a logic discussion connected to the excluded middle. As you point out things are not black and white. Probabilities and distributions are important in any system that interacts and shares properties. Thermodynamics and fluid dynamics are examples you use. QM has been different especially when it comes to electromagnetic states that occur in jumps. If, as you do, believe that there is a ubiquitous Higgs Condensate consisting of virtual particles, it seems logical that there would be distributions across all classical and QM states. I was a little skeptical about how this fluid would produce the gravitational potential. Gravity is known to be very long range. I could understand how it might surround bodies, perhaps similar to SR curved space, but the LIGO results show that the pulse travels at C. This might challenge a theory based on fluids (my thought here is that fluids interact locally at the speed of sound). Overall a well thought out on point essay.
I noted that many essays are saying that no Unified Theory is possible. But yours, mine, Dr. Kadin’s and a couple of others haven’t given up. After reading several essays I was concerned that we are working on different problems. Do we really agree on what the requirements are? I spent a couple of days proposing a set of requirements. It is posted under my essay and I reviewed some my own work. If you have time, I would appreciate your thoughts.
Thanks Gene,
All fluctuations in the condensate (only a 'fluid' to the extent that air is) will indeed propagate at c. The 'range' of the condensate density gradient is also proportionally the same as a low pressure weather system, so near infinite. But these (dark energy) 'particles' aren't 'virtual', just small so below the scale that 'couples with' it's EM waves (the fermion pair).
Yes, most seem to have 'given up' on improving our understanding of nature. We're a small minority! But indeed we are approaching from different directions. That may be a good thing as we might surround the mountain of truth so it can't escape! But yes we should check we're surrounding the same mountain and our approaches are compatible, even co-ordinated.
I'v found getting dissidents to agree on anything is like herding cats, but again that can be an advantage as we all have different strengths. Perhaps even the magnificent 7! I'll take a look over on your string. I still have to apply your (top!) score anyway, which we all seem to need after being hit by the 1.0 trolling more than once!
Peter
PS; I look at it not so much as 'uniting' QM...etc, more identifying the errors or omissions in EACH theory that keep them from coherently DESCRIBING the true simple beauty of nature.
All fluctuations in the condensate (only a 'fluid' to the extent that air is) will indeed propagate at c. The 'range' of the condensate density gradient is also proportionally the same as a low pressure weather system, so near infinite. But these (dark energy) 'particles' aren't 'virtual', just small so below the scale that 'couples with' it's EM waves (the fermion pair).
Yes, most seem to have 'given up' on improving our understanding of nature. We're a small minority! But indeed we are approaching from different directions. That may be a good thing as we might surround the mountain of truth so it can't escape! But yes we should check we're surrounding the same mountain and our approaches are compatible, even co-ordinated.
I'v found getting dissidents to agree on anything is like herding cats, but again that can be an advantage as we all have different strengths. Perhaps even the magnificent 7! I'll take a look over on your string. I still have to apply your (top!) score anyway, which we all seem to need after being hit by the 1.0 trolling more than once!
Peter
PS; I look at it not so much as 'uniting' QM...etc, more identifying the errors or omissions in EACH theory that keep them from coherently DESCRIBING the true simple beauty of nature.
Hi Peter...
I have read your paper, and the comments to it.
Perhaps the turning of the tide can be attributed to NASA's posting photos of Black Holes emitting "stuff"... REF: https://gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/nasa-ophiuchus-superma
ssive-black-hole-explosion-spotted-chandra-2187385 ... but I like to think FQXi as an open channel for thoughtful critical analysis, by you and a...
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I have read your paper, and the comments to it.
Perhaps the turning of the tide can be attributed to NASA's posting photos of Black Holes emitting "stuff"... REF: https://gadgets.ndtv.com/science/news/nasa-ophiuchus-superma
ssive-black-hole-explosion-spotted-chandra-2187385 ... but I like to think FQXi as an open channel for thoughtful critical analysis, by you and a...
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Thanks Sue,
Perceptive as usual. Good to see you back. My score just dropped 4 points! I expect yet another trolls 1.0 score. Did you score it yet?
Answers;
1. PHYSICAL entities defined in terms of what?... spatial occupancy?? That sounds ok, or it's as I define of condensed matter. A "rotation" big enough to 'couple with' EM fluctuations, so using non-zero space.
2. "Aether". The entities coupling with EM are Majorana free fermion +/- 'pair' dark matter.('space plasma). It's THAT which modulates c LOCALLY on re-emissions, but only at BOUNDARIES to areas of; The "CONDENSATE" which is 'dark energy' but does NOT do the assumed job of the old 'aether' it just the 'stuff of' the fluctuations.
3. "Is motion a Meta-PHYSICAL concept?. Good question. Arguable. It's a (local, relative) "concept" but requires PHYSICAL entities, to exist so is a measurable property of them. It's more fundamental so transcends the definitions because nothing would be measurable or even exist AT ALL without it! (no rotation = no matter).
I'll look forward to your essay.
Very best
Peter
Perceptive as usual. Good to see you back. My score just dropped 4 points! I expect yet another trolls 1.0 score. Did you score it yet?
Answers;
1. PHYSICAL entities defined in terms of what?... spatial occupancy?? That sounds ok, or it's as I define of condensed matter. A "rotation" big enough to 'couple with' EM fluctuations, so using non-zero space.
2. "Aether". The entities coupling with EM are Majorana free fermion +/- 'pair' dark matter.('space plasma). It's THAT which modulates c LOCALLY on re-emissions, but only at BOUNDARIES to areas of; The "CONDENSATE" which is 'dark energy' but does NOT do the assumed job of the old 'aether' it just the 'stuff of' the fluctuations.
3. "Is motion a Meta-PHYSICAL concept?. Good question. Arguable. It's a (local, relative) "concept" but requires PHYSICAL entities, to exist so is a measurable property of them. It's more fundamental so transcends the definitions because nothing would be measurable or even exist AT ALL without it! (no rotation = no matter).
I'll look forward to your essay.
Very best
Peter
Hi Peter...
Just scored you a 10.
Want to read and comment on as many essays as I have time.. will get back to this discussion after the poll closes.
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Just scored you a 10.
Want to read and comment on as many essays as I have time.. will get back to this discussion after the poll closes.
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Hi Sue, Thanks. I'll get to yours soon. I see it's also bee trolled!
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Dear Peter. Thanks for your comment on my comment on your essay. It made me think a lot and change my response “style”. Before I was just offering my work as something people should look at to see if it could help them in their work. Now my approach it is to go into their work more deeply and see how I can help them in their work. Thanks! In my essay I say “The SSC model can be useful to...
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Dear Peter. As I mentioned I am posting to discuss the similarities and differences in our essays. First the similarities: 1.Same goals (for this essay). 2. concurrence about the laws of thought 3. Both obey conservation law 4. Both eliminate singularities 5. Matter comes from motion 6. Both have dynamic motion, vortices, “condensate to condensed matter” 7. Both have action at a distance—8.circular gradients 9. Boundary transition zones 10. Constant c in transition zones ( with a twist) 11. ”Everywhere is substance” 12. Need physical entities 12. Can physics be this easy? 13. A new theory needs to be: “... startling at first sight...first look wrong before turning out simpler...radical conceptual renewal... an imaginative leap that will astonish us”. 14. Recommend a new field of study. Next posting on this thread will introduce the differences. John
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Hi John,
Thanks. I've read yours now. Yes I see the fundamental commonalities, and also differences. I'll respond on yours.
Best
Peter
Thanks. I've read yours now. Yes I see the fundamental commonalities, and also differences. I'll respond on yours.
Best
Peter
Hello Peter. In our postings we agree our theories have commonalities and differences. I do not believe our differences on the science are necessarily opposing views. I think they are representing different aspects of the processing. In fact I believe the theories could work in tandem - both supporting the other to provide a complete(more complete) theory. The SSC theory provides an “overall...
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Peter,
Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, duality and its cyclic nature is a fundamental property which I feel yields a much simpler, more tangible and geometric picture of reality. Although I am not at all qualified to weigh in on the increasingly complex physics theories I see today, their very mathematical complexity seems to obscure what they are trying to describe. My perhaps idealized view is that Nature should be inherently simple and efficient in principle and in form.
I did explore octonians but find that quaternions are sufficient to fully describe the double-helix dynamic as 3D rotations in 4D space. Again, less is more!
I just read and rated your excellent article and found much to ponder. Your distinction between physics and metaphysics is a thought provoking one, particularly the idea that numbers and math fall under the latter category as abstractions which are only approximations for nature. My take is that the fundamental laws from which physical phenomena manifest can still serve as a valid and computable "ancient Greek" blueprint for the identical shared properties of all galaxies, suns or grains of sand, even though chaos/complexity/etc. effects distort the ideal and create uniqueness upon physical emergence.
Your concept of a 180-degree physical analogue for entanglement I found consistent with my thinking too, only I represent it as a 180-degree rotation of the complex plane such that particle/anti-particle pairs occur at geometrically identical though polarized positions within the double-helix probability waveform. Other ideas we seem to share include electron spin and galactic discs as toroidal rotation, matter arising from motion relative to the Higgs ground state, and all contributing to cyclic spiral fractals of form.
Thanks again and all the best!
Michael
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Thank you for your kind comments. Yes, duality and its cyclic nature is a fundamental property which I feel yields a much simpler, more tangible and geometric picture of reality. Although I am not at all qualified to weigh in on the increasingly complex physics theories I see today, their very mathematical complexity seems to obscure what they are trying to describe. My perhaps idealized view is that Nature should be inherently simple and efficient in principle and in form.
I did explore octonians but find that quaternions are sufficient to fully describe the double-helix dynamic as 3D rotations in 4D space. Again, less is more!
I just read and rated your excellent article and found much to ponder. Your distinction between physics and metaphysics is a thought provoking one, particularly the idea that numbers and math fall under the latter category as abstractions which are only approximations for nature. My take is that the fundamental laws from which physical phenomena manifest can still serve as a valid and computable "ancient Greek" blueprint for the identical shared properties of all galaxies, suns or grains of sand, even though chaos/complexity/etc. effects distort the ideal and create uniqueness upon physical emergence.
Your concept of a 180-degree physical analogue for entanglement I found consistent with my thinking too, only I represent it as a 180-degree rotation of the complex plane such that particle/anti-particle pairs occur at geometrically identical though polarized positions within the double-helix probability waveform. Other ideas we seem to share include electron spin and galactic discs as toroidal rotation, matter arising from motion relative to the Higgs ground state, and all contributing to cyclic spiral fractals of form.
Thanks again and all the best!
Michael
Peter I added a comment on our thread in your postings. John Crowell
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Peter I also added a separate reply on our thread in my posting. How can I have it automatically go to our thread in your postings and have you automatically know it has been posted? So it would then be in both of our postings. John
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Dear Peter Jackson,
I replied on March 25, 2020, at 16:01 GMT. Obviously, you did not get the email notification. I only got four email notifications despite the fact that eight visitors had left comments on my essay. You need not read the updated version of my essay.
Joe Fisher
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I replied on March 25, 2020, at 16:01 GMT. Obviously, you did not get the email notification. I only got four email notifications despite the fact that eight visitors had left comments on my essay. You need not read the updated version of my essay.
Joe Fisher
Dear Peter,
I have had enough. After proving that Nature could have only eternally provided ONE visible reality and that while no visible physicist would ever be able to prove any finite theory of everything because only ONE visible infinite contrasting surface eternally occurring in ONE infinite dimension while always mostly being illuminated by one infinite form of finite non-surface light HAS EVER EXISTED. Not one physicist has ever proven that any empty space has ever existed. It has not. So Einstein’s silly musings about invisible curved space/time have nothing to do with reality.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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I have had enough. After proving that Nature could have only eternally provided ONE visible reality and that while no visible physicist would ever be able to prove any finite theory of everything because only ONE visible infinite contrasting surface eternally occurring in ONE infinite dimension while always mostly being illuminated by one infinite form of finite non-surface light HAS EVER EXISTED. Not one physicist has ever proven that any empty space has ever existed. It has not. So Einstein’s silly musings about invisible curved space/time have nothing to do with reality.
Joe Fisher, Realist
determinancy is in direct proportionality to uncertainty. But eventually we must come out of this blonde-brunette paradox. A "Gray region".which we in part or wholly try to dodge. very well illustrated supporting documentation.You have my votes. I have done something simple on how the Human reason in an attempt to avoid "fence-sitting " comes up with logic in such instances. I have proposed.Here-https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3525 .kindly take your time to review /rate. All the best in the contest
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Dear Peter,
I found your essay quite challenging, but that’s good! I had to read it twice as it is densely packed with information and ideas, that I am still contemplating.
I’ll start off with a single question: With respect to the cosmic microwave background, where you comment “Two main underlying mysteries are an 'axial flow' and helicity,” might not this be explained if we have a finite rotating universe?
I hope we will have further discussions,
Regards
Lockie Cresswell
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I found your essay quite challenging, but that’s good! I had to read it twice as it is densely packed with information and ideas, that I am still contemplating.
I’ll start off with a single question: With respect to the cosmic microwave background, where you comment “Two main underlying mysteries are an 'axial flow' and helicity,” might not this be explained if we have a finite rotating universe?
I hope we will have further discussions,
Regards
Lockie Cresswell
Lockie,
Yes, that's absolutely correct, indeed that model then solves a wide tranche of other 'anomalies' and theoretical fallacies. Even a coherent evolutionary sequence of galaxies emerges! I think I referenced my published consortium paper on that in my essay.
I picked up your subsequent post under another string further above so I'll reproduce it below and comment there;
Peter
Yes, that's absolutely correct, indeed that model then solves a wide tranche of other 'anomalies' and theoretical fallacies. Even a coherent evolutionary sequence of galaxies emerges! I think I referenced my published consortium paper on that in my essay.
I picked up your subsequent post under another string further above so I'll reproduce it below and comment there;
Peter
LACHLAN CRESSWELL SUBSEQUENT POST PREV LOST IN SPACE ABOVE;
Regarding paradigm changes, I decided to ignore maths, philosophy and the current thinking in physics and start off my thinking back in classical physics, which I saw back then as 'pure'.
I was lucky enough to stumble onto particle physics via a SciAm special book printed in the 1980's which took my interest in a...
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Regarding paradigm changes, I decided to ignore maths, philosophy and the current thinking in physics and start off my thinking back in classical physics, which I saw back then as 'pure'.
I was lucky enough to stumble onto particle physics via a SciAm special book printed in the 1980's which took my interest in a...
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Hi Peter,
Very interesting essay. A lot of bold ideas but not so easy to connect or find a unifying theme. Fundamental randomness? I concur. Probabilities rule. We cannot definitively say either “A” or “Not A.” “A” at one instant is not the same as “A” at the next. “A” might or might not equal “B.”
Randomness is in transitions from one metastable state to new state of higher stability. Such as, but by no means exclusively, during irreversible measurements. Between transitions, states are continuously and reversibly measurable by a perfect observer. This restores a key element of classicality to quantum states between irreversible transitions. States are definite and they evolve reversibly and deterministically—until they spontaneously transition to a new more-stable state.
I am not familiar enough with the problems you address to know--does this make any sense?
Best,
Harrison
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Very interesting essay. A lot of bold ideas but not so easy to connect or find a unifying theme. Fundamental randomness? I concur. Probabilities rule. We cannot definitively say either “A” or “Not A.” “A” at one instant is not the same as “A” at the next. “A” might or might not equal “B.”
Randomness is in transitions from one metastable state to new state of higher stability. Such as, but by no means exclusively, during irreversible measurements. Between transitions, states are continuously and reversibly measurable by a perfect observer. This restores a key element of classicality to quantum states between irreversible transitions. States are definite and they evolve reversibly and deterministically—until they spontaneously transition to a new more-stable state.
I am not familiar enough with the problems you address to know--does this make any sense?
Best,
Harrison
POST BY; Gilbert Leon Beaudry, THIS DATE (but from above);
Hi Peter,
Are you stating that the wavelengths of light are determined by speed? I often suspected that was the case and that Maxwell's equations are flawed because they are based on a constant speed. The variable speed is statistically low so as to make Maxwell's equation acceptable within reason for calculations. The variance is not noticeable over short distances but is overall as one measures light arrivals from the Observable Universe.
P.S. Thank you for the favourable rating on my essay.
Gilbert
Hi Peter,
Are you stating that the wavelengths of light are determined by speed? I often suspected that was the case and that Maxwell's equations are flawed because they are based on a constant speed. The variable speed is statistically low so as to make Maxwell's equation acceptable within reason for calculations. The variance is not noticeable over short distances but is overall as one measures light arrivals from the Observable Universe.
P.S. Thank you for the favourable rating on my essay.
Gilbert
Hi Gilbert,
Yes, and NO! A CHANGE in inertial system (so speed of medium of propagation) will change wavelength, as in a change on medium refractive index n. Which can give two independent Doppler shift factors, one rather 'hidden' from theory so far!
BUT; Maxwell was not 'wrong', because he, quite brilliantly, gave us the Near/Far field transition and transition zone (TZ), which is at all such speed changes! Speed is of course constant WITHIN each inertial system, so all physics remains LOCAL! 'Proper speed' c or c/n is only then valid measured in the local frame. If you're on a passing bus you can see a light pulse OUTSIDE the bus doing apparent c+v, a 'co-ordinate' speed as nothing nowhere violates c!
It does take a little thought (still too much for many!) but then it's an epiphany! (see my prev) finalist essays).
That leads to all the rationalisations in my essay and more. (which I hope you may also agree worthy of a top score as it's just been hit by yet another 1!
Very best.
Peter
Yes, and NO! A CHANGE in inertial system (so speed of medium of propagation) will change wavelength, as in a change on medium refractive index n. Which can give two independent Doppler shift factors, one rather 'hidden' from theory so far!
BUT; Maxwell was not 'wrong', because he, quite brilliantly, gave us the Near/Far field transition and transition zone (TZ), which is at all such speed changes! Speed is of course constant WITHIN each inertial system, so all physics remains LOCAL! 'Proper speed' c or c/n is only then valid measured in the local frame. If you're on a passing bus you can see a light pulse OUTSIDE the bus doing apparent c+v, a 'co-ordinate' speed as nothing nowhere violates c!
It does take a little thought (still too much for many!) but then it's an epiphany! (see my prev) finalist essays).
That leads to all the rationalisations in my essay and more. (which I hope you may also agree worthy of a top score as it's just been hit by yet another 1!
Very best.
Peter
Hi Peter,
An interesting answer, which is covered by Marts Liena's essay on the aether (re refractive index).
As for Maxwell's near/far field transition zone, I am with you on that! An interesting program to run is called radiation2D from Prof. Shintake T.
Shintake’s Radiation 2D which shows how the transitions occur for a variety of oscillators. (I found this link on the Brookhaven Accelerator Site or Google Shintake Radiation2d - I also have an .exe that I have been using for over a decade)
I too was trolled with a 1. But never mind as I have yet to score the essays I am reading. I hope you found mine entertaining.
Regards
Lockie
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An interesting answer, which is covered by Marts Liena's essay on the aether (re refractive index).
As for Maxwell's near/far field transition zone, I am with you on that! An interesting program to run is called radiation2D from Prof. Shintake T.
Shintake’s Radiation 2D which shows how the transitions occur for a variety of oscillators. (I found this link on the Brookhaven Accelerator Site or Google Shintake Radiation2d - I also have an .exe that I have been using for over a decade)
I too was trolled with a 1. But never mind as I have yet to score the essays I am reading. I hope you found mine entertaining.
Regards
Lockie
That Brookhaven link is broken. Try Fermilab's link instead.
Cheers
Lockie
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Cheers
Lockie
Peter
Since you liked this article you perhaps also is interested in this later one.
Regards _________________ John-Erik
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Regards _________________ John-Erik
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Peter,
Thank you for a wonderful essay. You covered many topics.
What is remarkable is that our current system of mathematic often works for real systems. The idea that our incomplete understanding of the Universe is not just due to an incomplete knowledge base, but also an incomplete knowledge structure is not surprising.
None of this should work; there are more transcendental numbers than well-behaved numbers. Since algebra cannot work with transcendental numbers there is a good chance that all our airplanes have transcendental number measurements and should be falling out of the sky.
One is reminded of Ogden Nash’s “Very like a Whale”. Metaphor and simile are bad, but they are all we got. A first step would be to try to solve some classical Physics problem with fuzzy logic.
Sincerely,
Jeff Schmitz
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Thank you for a wonderful essay. You covered many topics.
What is remarkable is that our current system of mathematic often works for real systems. The idea that our incomplete understanding of the Universe is not just due to an incomplete knowledge base, but also an incomplete knowledge structure is not surprising.
None of this should work; there are more transcendental numbers than well-behaved numbers. Since algebra cannot work with transcendental numbers there is a good chance that all our airplanes have transcendental number measurements and should be falling out of the sky.
One is reminded of Ogden Nash’s “Very like a Whale”. Metaphor and simile are bad, but they are all we got. A first step would be to try to solve some classical Physics problem with fuzzy logic.
Sincerely,
Jeff Schmitz
Dear Peter,
to pick up and adress the Blond, Brunette and the middle of your perfect essay i suggest finally a one - line - equation pi/pi=pi
How to hack Bitcoin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhYwa0iM8uw
Take care.
Best
Manfred
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to pick up and adress the Blond, Brunette and the middle of your perfect essay i suggest finally a one - line - equation pi/pi=pi
How to hack Bitcoin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhYwa0iM8uw
Take care.
Best
Manfred
Dear Peter,
Thanks ever so much for your comments on my essay. I searched out the missing link by looking you up on arxiv and found "Resolution of Kantor and Babcock-Bergman Emission Theory Anomalies". Wow, had I known about your work I would have surely referenced you, as I should also do with Israel Perez's Aether work.
It seems as though we are on the same page, but I defer to your much deeper probings. And I feel more confident now that the matter will be decided in the hopefully near future.
I am currently reading your iqbit essay from a few years ago. I admire your ground breaking work!
I am not sure I am qualified enough to comment sensibly on your latest offering, except to say LEM has been on the nose for some time, and maybe some ternary bit computing will drive that home.
Best wishes,
Marts Liena
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Thanks ever so much for your comments on my essay. I searched out the missing link by looking you up on arxiv and found "Resolution of Kantor and Babcock-Bergman Emission Theory Anomalies". Wow, had I known about your work I would have surely referenced you, as I should also do with Israel Perez's Aether work.
It seems as though we are on the same page, but I defer to your much deeper probings. And I feel more confident now that the matter will be decided in the hopefully near future.
I am currently reading your iqbit essay from a few years ago. I admire your ground breaking work!
I am not sure I am qualified enough to comment sensibly on your latest offering, except to say LEM has been on the nose for some time, and maybe some ternary bit computing will drive that home.
Best wishes,
Marts Liena
Thanks Marts Very kind. I've replied on your string with another goof link.
Peter
Peter
Dear Peter Jackson!
Your essay made us very happy. We agree with many of your theses. We also believe that understanding the objective world depends on our subjective logic. Logic is a theoretical device. This device can be improved. Therefore, we propose introducing some new principles for understanding time, which will allow us to understand in a new way both classical logic and set theory.The following definitions are given: 1) there is a set that we call "Time"; 2) this set consists of an infinite number of individual elements, which we call "Moments"; 3) all elements of a given set have a peculiarity: if one element is REAL, all other elements of the set are UNREAL; 4) we will call sets of this type – "AREAL SETS". It was found that the elementary areal relation is a logical law of contradiction: statements A and NOT-A together form an areal set of two elements. Formulating the law of contradiction, Aristotle and all the logicians after him constantly emphasized: there cannot be A and NOT-A in the same respect at the same TIME. We propose to rearrange the emphasis: in our formulation, AREALITY is a special logical relation that can simulate natural Time. The new model defines the time order in the form of definite characters’ sequence.
The proposed ontology is related to the definition and introduction of the digital physics paradigm.
We hope that our approach will be useful to you.
Truly yours,
Pavel Poluian and Dmitry Lichargin,
Siberian Federal University.
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Your essay made us very happy. We agree with many of your theses. We also believe that understanding the objective world depends on our subjective logic. Logic is a theoretical device. This device can be improved. Therefore, we propose introducing some new principles for understanding time, which will allow us to understand in a new way both classical logic and set theory.The following definitions are given: 1) there is a set that we call "Time"; 2) this set consists of an infinite number of individual elements, which we call "Moments"; 3) all elements of a given set have a peculiarity: if one element is REAL, all other elements of the set are UNREAL; 4) we will call sets of this type – "AREAL SETS". It was found that the elementary areal relation is a logical law of contradiction: statements A and NOT-A together form an areal set of two elements. Formulating the law of contradiction, Aristotle and all the logicians after him constantly emphasized: there cannot be A and NOT-A in the same respect at the same TIME. We propose to rearrange the emphasis: in our formulation, AREALITY is a special logical relation that can simulate natural Time. The new model defines the time order in the form of definite characters’ sequence.
The proposed ontology is related to the definition and introduction of the digital physics paradigm.
We hope that our approach will be useful to you.
Truly yours,
Pavel Poluian and Dmitry Lichargin,
Siberian Federal University.
Thanks Guys,
Very interesting I've responded to yours on your topic.
Peter
Very interesting I've responded to yours on your topic.
Peter
Peter,
Thank you for alerting me to your essay. I got in at the last minute and have had the time to look at only a few essays up to now.
Yours was so unusual and refreshing! Free-thinking, physical physics! What a concept, what concepts!
I love your compilation:
“H.A. Lorentz said in 1906 “we can make no progress without some hypothesis that looks somewhat...
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Thank you for alerting me to your essay. I got in at the last minute and have had the time to look at only a few essays up to now.
Yours was so unusual and refreshing! Free-thinking, physical physics! What a concept, what concepts!
I love your compilation:
“H.A. Lorentz said in 1906 “we can make no progress without some hypothesis that looks somewhat...
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Thanks for your kind words James. Nice to find someone left with vision.
Peter,
I promised a reply to your thoughtful paper. You alread read my essay.
You mentioned a deep problem: does nature follow our logic? In the last century we learned that there are more logic systems, among them intuitistic logic with an excluding middle. We (my co-author Jerzy and I) found also interesting relations between this kind of logic and QM (but also 4-manifold topology).
You also wrote about matter (as a kind of vortex). Maybe you will find my paper about the relation between braids and particles interesting
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Finally I vote for your nice essay
Best wishes
Torsten
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I promised a reply to your thoughtful paper. You alread read my essay.
You mentioned a deep problem: does nature follow our logic? In the last century we learned that there are more logic systems, among them intuitistic logic with an excluding middle. We (my co-author Jerzy and I) found also interesting relations between this kind of logic and QM (but also 4-manifold topology).
You also wrote about matter (as a kind of vortex). Maybe you will find my paper about the relation between braids and particles interesting
paper
Finally I vote for your nice essay
Best wishes
Torsten
Dear Peter,
Glad to read your work again.
Thank you for evaluating my work: "I found your essay well written and informative, adding to my perception and understanding of how De Broglie Pilot waves can work".
I greatly appreciated your work and discussion. I am very glad that you are not thinking in abstract patterns.
While the discussion lasted, I wrote an article: “Practical guidance on calculating resonant frequencies at four levels of diagnosis and inactivation of COVID-19 coronavirus”, due to the high relevance of this topic. The work is based on the practical solution of problems in quantum mechanics, presented in the essay FQXi 2019-2020 “Universal quantum laws of the universe to solve the problems of unsolvability, computability and unpredictability”.
I hope that my modest results of work will provide you with information for thought.
Warm Regards, `
Vladimir
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Glad to read your work again.
Thank you for evaluating my work: "I found your essay well written and informative, adding to my perception and understanding of how De Broglie Pilot waves can work".
I greatly appreciated your work and discussion. I am very glad that you are not thinking in abstract patterns.
While the discussion lasted, I wrote an article: “Practical guidance on calculating resonant frequencies at four levels of diagnosis and inactivation of COVID-19 coronavirus”, due to the high relevance of this topic. The work is based on the practical solution of problems in quantum mechanics, presented in the essay FQXi 2019-2020 “Universal quantum laws of the universe to solve the problems of unsolvability, computability and unpredictability”.
I hope that my modest results of work will provide you with information for thought.
Warm Regards, `
Vladimir
Thanks Vladimir. I appreciate such discussions over the shocking poor attitude and apparent arrogance of some entrants.
Best
Peter
Best
Peter
Dear Peter,
Thank you for your valuable comments on my essay. I read your essay and I am greatly impressed by the depth and width of your knowledge and thoughts. The title of your essay is most attractive and eye catching of all. Questioning binary logic is very promising, there is stuff called quantum logic. Noticing that laws of ancient Greeks are valid for metaphysical but not for nature is brilliant. You correctly see that applying fuzzy logic is the way and that should be standard for the future. I wish you very fruitful research along these lines.
Best regards,
Irek
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Thank you for your valuable comments on my essay. I read your essay and I am greatly impressed by the depth and width of your knowledge and thoughts. The title of your essay is most attractive and eye catching of all. Questioning binary logic is very promising, there is stuff called quantum logic. Noticing that laws of ancient Greeks are valid for metaphysical but not for nature is brilliant. You correctly see that applying fuzzy logic is the way and that should be standard for the future. I wish you very fruitful research along these lines.
Best regards,
Irek
Irek,
Thanks for you appreciation, it's multidisciplinary scope does stretch the expertise of most but I suspected you'd see it's value. Yes, I discussed 'modal' quantum logic in an earlier essay (the one peer scored top in 2015 I think) and the consistent 'brackets rule' I apply for logic AND inertial systems is it's uniquely consistent epitome.
Many thanks
Peter
Thanks for you appreciation, it's multidisciplinary scope does stretch the expertise of most but I suspected you'd see it's value. Yes, I discussed 'modal' quantum logic in an earlier essay (the one peer scored top in 2015 I think) and the consistent 'brackets rule' I apply for logic AND inertial systems is it's uniquely consistent epitome.
Many thanks
Peter
Dear Peter,
Your essay presents an interesting way of looking at things, but I can’t really evaluate if there are any “holes” in it. You seem to be saying that if we first assume that a 3D Higgs condensate/ ether underlies everything, then a lot of physics including gravity could be explained via the vortices and pressure densities etc caused by movements in the ether, if something first moves to start the system moving. Does this movement in the ether dampen and dissipate, continually requiring new movements, e.g. new flappings of butterfly wings, to “top-up” the system?
Re “The critical first step is to rigorously distinguish strictly PHYSICAL entities from the META-PHYSIAL; concepts, abstractions, attributes & thoughts, which INCLUDES symbols and numbers”:
What about law of nature relationships? They are not exactly physical (measurable) entities; they represent the behaviour of the physical entities, and they can only be represented via symbols and numbers. For that matter, people can never avoid using symbols if they want to communicate with other people: written and spoken words are symbols; also you need to use symbols and numbers to represent vortices and pressure densities.
Re “The law of the excluded middle”:
“Hair”, as opposed to "a flower", is true or false; “blonde” or “brunette” is not so much true or false; but if you somehow measure the colour and assign a number to it, then the colour equating to that number is true or false.
Regards,
Lorraine
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Your essay presents an interesting way of looking at things, but I can’t really evaluate if there are any “holes” in it. You seem to be saying that if we first assume that a 3D Higgs condensate/ ether underlies everything, then a lot of physics including gravity could be explained via the vortices and pressure densities etc caused by movements in the ether, if something first moves to start the system moving. Does this movement in the ether dampen and dissipate, continually requiring new movements, e.g. new flappings of butterfly wings, to “top-up” the system?
Re “The critical first step is to rigorously distinguish strictly PHYSICAL entities from the META-PHYSIAL; concepts, abstractions, attributes & thoughts, which INCLUDES symbols and numbers”:
What about law of nature relationships? They are not exactly physical (measurable) entities; they represent the behaviour of the physical entities, and they can only be represented via symbols and numbers. For that matter, people can never avoid using symbols if they want to communicate with other people: written and spoken words are symbols; also you need to use symbols and numbers to represent vortices and pressure densities.
Re “The law of the excluded middle”:
“Hair”, as opposed to "a flower", is true or false; “blonde” or “brunette” is not so much true or false; but if you somehow measure the colour and assign a number to it, then the colour equating to that number is true or false.
Regards,
Lorraine
Lorraine,
Thanks. It's range leaves many 'holes' but filled by the references, and all should see there are no holes in the logic and rationale.
"Does this movement in the ether dampen and dissipate, continually requiring new movements..?"
It doesn't 'require' more motions as much as 'provide' them! The original "instability" gives the first vortex pair....
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Thanks. It's range leaves many 'holes' but filled by the references, and all should see there are no holes in the logic and rationale.
"Does this movement in the ether dampen and dissipate, continually requiring new movements..?"
It doesn't 'require' more motions as much as 'provide' them! The original "instability" gives the first vortex pair....
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Howdy Peter,
I've come to pay my respects. I enjoyed the essay and I may come back for a longer review later. First off; I agree with your opening statements about logic, and some of the same items have peeved me. I think the middle is often falsely excluded, when it should be fleshed out in shades of gray. Or a false dilemma is invoked because of an incorrect and improper use of the excluded middle law. My Physics mentor chided me for not recognizing and properly treating either/or questions, but I think he missed the point sometimes, though he was both smarter and wiser than I.
My Logic professor in College was a Harvard PhD who recruited me for that school, but I failed to complete the application process on a technicality (unpaid library fine). Later he became an outcast or victim of conscience. Search the term "Les Sachs American in exile" to learn more. But it was an honors level course and I learned a few things. The Higgs condensate idea sounds interesting. I downloaded the paper. I'm familiar with Chapline and Laughlin's emergent Relativity and also bosonic condensation. A 0-mode massive graviton can be Higgs-like and form a condensate, in some theories.
More reading now, more comments later.
Jonathan
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I've come to pay my respects. I enjoyed the essay and I may come back for a longer review later. First off; I agree with your opening statements about logic, and some of the same items have peeved me. I think the middle is often falsely excluded, when it should be fleshed out in shades of gray. Or a false dilemma is invoked because of an incorrect and improper use of the excluded middle law. My Physics mentor chided me for not recognizing and properly treating either/or questions, but I think he missed the point sometimes, though he was both smarter and wiser than I.
My Logic professor in College was a Harvard PhD who recruited me for that school, but I failed to complete the application process on a technicality (unpaid library fine). Later he became an outcast or victim of conscience. Search the term "Les Sachs American in exile" to learn more. But it was an honors level course and I learned a few things. The Higgs condensate idea sounds interesting. I downloaded the paper. I'm familiar with Chapline and Laughlin's emergent Relativity and also bosonic condensation. A 0-mode massive graviton can be Higgs-like and form a condensate, in some theories.
More reading now, more comments later.
Jonathan
Jonathen,
Thank you kindly. Yes, a universe where all entities differ is 'shades of grey' down to maybe Woolframs 10[sup-93! But either/or answers can still be given as all things are conditional. Let me know your thoughts on the gravitational Higgs Condensate paper. Tejinder has just now written something consistent with it.
Thank you kindly. Yes, a universe where all entities differ is 'shades of grey' down to maybe Woolframs 10[sup-93! But either/or answers can still be given as all things are conditional. Let me know your thoughts on the gravitational Higgs Condensate paper. Tejinder has just now written something consistent with it.
Dear Peter,
Thank you for the very interesting essay.
I have given it a single read, but it will take more because it rapidly ramps-up with ideas coming at the reader at a fast and furious pace.
I have some concerns that have me thinking (always a good thing, so thank you!).
The three laws you look at are laws that apply to logical propositions, not objects. And I...
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Thank you for the very interesting essay.
I have given it a single read, but it will take more because it rapidly ramps-up with ideas coming at the reader at a fast and furious pace.
I have some concerns that have me thinking (always a good thing, so thank you!).
The three laws you look at are laws that apply to logical propositions, not objects. And I...
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Kevin,
Thanks, but it clearly DOES "apply to objects"! Galaxies down to snowflakes, grains of sand & atoms, so not so easily dismissed! You must keep Booleing at higher orders! I also agree the 2nd 'Born rule' case, and please now sit down and prepare to be shocked; describe a physical interaction sequence that produces BOTH complex amplitudes!!. You can't dismiss that either...
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Thanks, but it clearly DOES "apply to objects"! Galaxies down to snowflakes, grains of sand & atoms, so not so easily dismissed! You must keep Booleing at higher orders! I also agree the 2nd 'Born rule' case, and please now sit down and prepare to be shocked; describe a physical interaction sequence that produces BOTH complex amplitudes!!. You can't dismiss that either...
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Peter,
Thanks for your last post on my page. I would like to share my particle theory with you sometime, if and when you have recovered from all the essay readings. I think we have a lot of ideas in common, and mine haven't been put to the test of any real review (except once 15 years ago). Where can I find your email address? Mine is lcress#rfprobes.com.au
On another topic I have noticed a lot of troll voting (1's, 2's, and 3's) after the supposed deadline. I took a snapshot at midnight (GMT) on the 18th, and then again now. Lots of changes! I think it's only proper to offer support or criticism via the posts, not by voting 1 without explaining why. I think the voting is counterproductive in many ways.
This is my first foray into FQXI and it has taught me a lot. What a fabulous resource to have available to the world, whith so many excellent ideas. I'm certain future breakthroughs in physics will have been discussed at some level in these essays. I am excited because my other special topic is time, and there is a whole comp of essays to read!!
Best wishes
Lockie Cresswell
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Thanks for your last post on my page. I would like to share my particle theory with you sometime, if and when you have recovered from all the essay readings. I think we have a lot of ideas in common, and mine haven't been put to the test of any real review (except once 15 years ago). Where can I find your email address? Mine is lcress#rfprobes.com.au
On another topic I have noticed a lot of troll voting (1's, 2's, and 3's) after the supposed deadline. I took a snapshot at midnight (GMT) on the 18th, and then again now. Lots of changes! I think it's only proper to offer support or criticism via the posts, not by voting 1 without explaining why. I think the voting is counterproductive in many ways.
This is my first foray into FQXI and it has taught me a lot. What a fabulous resource to have available to the world, whith so many excellent ideas. I'm certain future breakthroughs in physics will have been discussed at some level in these essays. I am excited because my other special topic is time, and there is a whole comp of essays to read!!
Best wishes
Lockie Cresswell
Lockie,
I agree. The cut off was ET (USA) not GMT, and 1 scores go right to the end. I've suggested a clause saying clear tactical voting such as multiple very low scores with no posts, and on 'neighbouring' essays, will be monitored and may be removed and applied on the scorers essay! That should cut it down! This IS a good resource but well short of what it could be.
My Email is pj.ukc.edu@physics.org. Send it through. Also check out my work on; https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Jackson22/researc
h to identify commonality.
very best
Peter
I agree. The cut off was ET (USA) not GMT, and 1 scores go right to the end. I've suggested a clause saying clear tactical voting such as multiple very low scores with no posts, and on 'neighbouring' essays, will be monitored and may be removed and applied on the scorers essay! That should cut it down! This IS a good resource but well short of what it could be.
My Email is pj.ukc.edu@physics.org. Send it through. Also check out my work on; https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Peter_Jackson22/researc
h to identify commonality.
very best
Peter
Hi Peter,
I thought you might like to see this image, after the comment you left on the page about dark flow. Now appears closed to comments. But if you look at the half outline of the Mandelbrot Set facing the other way from how it is seen normally; it shows a clear resemblance to the outline seen in some bounce cosmologies. It most resembles the graph I saw from Ram Gopal Vishwakarma who was a student of Narlikar. Very nice man. Anyhow; we are in the round section, about 1/4 of the way around - if I have bracketed my timeline correctly.
Enjoy,
Joanthan
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I thought you might like to see this image, after the comment you left on the page about dark flow. Now appears closed to comments. But if you look at the half outline of the Mandelbrot Set facing the other way from how it is seen normally; it shows a clear resemblance to the outline seen in some bounce cosmologies. It most resembles the graph I saw from Ram Gopal Vishwakarma who was a student of Narlikar. Very nice man. Anyhow; we are in the round section, about 1/4 of the way around - if I have bracketed my timeline correctly.
Enjoy,
Joanthan
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