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While I wish them luck in their research, it always amazes me how physicists seem like they're totally qualified to contribute to basic ideas in biology like consciousness, evolution, etc., but when biologists, or others, try to contribute to basic areas in physics, or at least the philosophy of physics, they call us crackpots and deride us. This is even more ironic when many physicists and mathematicians hold faith-based, evidence-free ideas like that mathematical constructs and physical laws actually exist in a Platonic realm that nobody can see, touch, measure or experiment on. While this rant is partly sour grapes on my part, I think these grapes have a basis in reality.
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Roger:
I agree. It has yet to dawn on the physics community, that reality (the things that actual occur) is much more a result of initial conditions, rather than the laws of physics. The extremely limited information content of the laws, ensures that they can only ever describe what is impossible. But what is possible and thus observable, is dictated, almost entirely, by the enormous information content of the initial conditions.
Rob McEachern
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I agree. It has yet to dawn on the physics community, that reality (the things that actual occur) is much more a result of initial conditions, rather than the laws of physics. The extremely limited information content of the laws, ensures that they can only ever describe what is impossible. But what is possible and thus observable, is dictated, almost entirely, by the enormous information content of the initial conditions.
Rob McEachern
Rob,
Thanks! And figuring out how those initial conditions came to be and what they are is a question everyone has an equal chance at answering. Academics are more about describing systems like the universe as they already are and not about how those systems came into being in the first place, so they have no advantage on the second topic. What irritates me is when they pontificate about this second topic (e.g., Why is there something rather than nothing?) and other topics outside their area while at the same time deriding amateurs for their ideas on these same topics.
Also, physical laws describe physical things, interactions and changes in the universe. They're not fundamental like the initial conditions and what brought those initial conditions into being. As you say, the initial conditions and how those initial conditions came into being dictate the game.
But, given that, I agree with them that anyone's ideas on these topics should match reality, be testable and be able to make testable predictions.
Roger
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Thanks! And figuring out how those initial conditions came to be and what they are is a question everyone has an equal chance at answering. Academics are more about describing systems like the universe as they already are and not about how those systems came into being in the first place, so they have no advantage on the second topic. What irritates me is when they pontificate about this second topic (e.g., Why is there something rather than nothing?) and other topics outside their area while at the same time deriding amateurs for their ideas on these same topics.
Also, physical laws describe physical things, interactions and changes in the universe. They're not fundamental like the initial conditions and what brought those initial conditions into being. As you say, the initial conditions and how those initial conditions came into being dictate the game.
But, given that, I agree with them that anyone's ideas on these topics should match reality, be testable and be able to make testable predictions.
Roger
Nature and nurture, an idea from biology, might be applied to physics. Eg. The nature of a particle being what it is, and its behaviour due to its 'initial condition, i.e. its behavior when emitted from a substance or device, is affected by the environmental exposure it incurs, between emission and result. Such as an electron passing through the magnetic field of a Stern Gerlach apparatus. The outcome spin up or spin down state is a product of the interaction of particle and field not merely the behaviour and nature of the particle unchallenged.
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Hi all,
Contructing a theory of life, a toe at my humble opinion must consider the spherical volumes and sphères and their motions and oscillations.We can unify G c h with objectivity. The main aim being to explain also this quantum weakest force the quantum gravitation. Several works are relevant about the geometrical algebras (Clifford, Lie,...) these works with quanternions, octonions are relevant considering the quasicrystals and the corrélations ith our space time .These works consider an external cause , primordial for the shapes, geometries, topologies like the strings and a 1D primordial field.My model of spherisation with quantum and cosmological sphères Inside an universal sphere in optimisation consider an intrinsic cause in the finite primordial series implying also shpapes, geometries, topologies.The relevance is that this can converge and we can reach this quantum gravitation.It does not seem to be an emergent electromagnetic force but needs an other logic non baryonic.The problem also about our consciousness can be analysed also considering the finite primordial series.The body mind soul problem can be also solved in this road considering the singularities and main primordial codes.
Spherically yours dear thinkers.
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Contructing a theory of life, a toe at my humble opinion must consider the spherical volumes and sphères and their motions and oscillations.We can unify G c h with objectivity. The main aim being to explain also this quantum weakest force the quantum gravitation. Several works are relevant about the geometrical algebras (Clifford, Lie,...) these works with quanternions, octonions are relevant considering the quasicrystals and the corrélations ith our space time .These works consider an external cause , primordial for the shapes, geometries, topologies like the strings and a 1D primordial field.My model of spherisation with quantum and cosmological sphères Inside an universal sphere in optimisation consider an intrinsic cause in the finite primordial series implying also shpapes, geometries, topologies.The relevance is that this can converge and we can reach this quantum gravitation.It does not seem to be an emergent electromagnetic force but needs an other logic non baryonic.The problem also about our consciousness can be analysed also considering the finite primordial series.The body mind soul problem can be also solved in this road considering the singularities and main primordial codes.
Spherically yours dear thinkers.
The real big question is about what are this aether, this vaccuum.Must we consider that aether is luminiferous ? I Don't think , I beleive that this aether is gravitational , it is intuitive of course but we need to superimpose new parameters non baryonic to this standard model.I am doubting that this infinite Eternal consciousness has created only photons like primordial essence of all things. This DM is intriguing also if it exists and that we are not obliged to modify our newtonian mechanics.
If the quantum gravitation is emergent due to our coupling and gauges of our standard model, so I will accept, but that seems odd and imply that we need to insert this matter non baryonic, in the cold probably, lambda of our cosmological model seems relevant, thjis zero absolute intrigues me a lot. Our scales quant and cosm need this matter to balance many things, to solve several problems that we have
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If the quantum gravitation is emergent due to our coupling and gauges of our standard model, so I will accept, but that seems odd and imply that we need to insert this matter non baryonic, in the cold probably, lambda of our cosmological model seems relevant, thjis zero absolute intrigues me a lot. Our scales quant and cosm need this matter to balance many things, to solve several problems that we have
How to prove my equation E=m(b)c²+m(nb)l² ,this matter non baryonic intrigues a lot.If this matter exists, like the photons they are encoded in nuclei and can give us even a road for this quantum gravitation.A cold dark matter seems important and we can encircle this standard model.If my equation is correct, it is intuitive and general considering the matter and Energy.It will be a big rvolution for our sciences and technologies if we check this quantum gravitation and this matter non baryonic non relativistic .
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Luboš Motl was right to use sarcasm:
“Some of the most experienced readers already know that a kettle may heat water. Fortunately, the authors allow us to formulate even such statements in a more "natural" and more "profound" way: For instance, a kettle with a power supply can serve as a constructor that can perform the task of heating water. LOL, it's a constructor. Who would have thought? One would think that a kettle isn't constructing anything…”
“Constructor theory: Deutsch and Marletto are just vacuously bullsiting”, Luboš Motl, 27 May 2014, https://motls.blogspot.com/2014/05/constructor-theory-deutsc
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“Some of the most experienced readers already know that a kettle may heat water. Fortunately, the authors allow us to formulate even such statements in a more "natural" and more "profound" way: For instance, a kettle with a power supply can serve as a constructor that can perform the task of heating water. LOL, it's a constructor. Who would have thought? One would think that a kettle isn't constructing anything…”
“Constructor theory: Deutsch and Marletto are just vacuously bullsiting”, Luboš Motl, 27 May 2014, https://motls.blogspot.com/2014/05/constructor-theory-deutsc
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I don't see any harm in clearly differentiating objects that have a more profound effect on a system than more passive background objects. The outcome with the kettle working is going to be very different from the kettle switched off.
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Joe, of course visible objects can be differentiated, otherwise we would be functionally blind.
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Dissect a human brain. seeking q source or mechanism of thought. It never appears. Reductionism fails for emergent phenomena. Unlike intrinsic properties (e.g, the optical spectrum of water), extrinsic properties (chirality) are not "in" there" below a characteristic emergence scale. Self-awareness is not even localized.
Turbulence, spin glasses. Good luck with synthetic local deterministic processes efficiently predicting real world global emergence.
The problem is not explaining why some people are crazy. The problem is explaining why most people are not crazy, since no two brains are small scale identical (even for identical twins).
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Turbulence, spin glasses. Good luck with synthetic local deterministic processes efficiently predicting real world global emergence.
The problem is not explaining why some people are crazy. The problem is explaining why most people are not crazy, since no two brains are small scale identical (even for identical twins).
@Uncle Al, I don't even think there are any "emergent phenomena". We see something at one scale that we didn't, or couldn't, at another scale - but nothing actually emerged except a concept. "Emergence" is just a fashionable sort of hand-waving.
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Jim,
Yes we see things at larger scales that couldn't exist at the smaller scale , able to do things that couldn't happen at just the smaller scale. Like the forming of a bird's egg. It is a concept, it is fashionable. Sometimes hand waving aids comprehension.
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Yes we see things at larger scales that couldn't exist at the smaller scale , able to do things that couldn't happen at just the smaller scale. Like the forming of a bird's egg. It is a concept, it is fashionable. Sometimes hand waving aids comprehension.
Joe, what do you mean by a 'real thing', when you also say only one unified, infinite surface has ever existed?
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I have re-posted this from the "Agency in the Physical World – FQXi’s Next Research Program" Blog, because it is also relevant to the "Constructing a Theory of Life" Forum:
What is information:
Information = knowledge = subjective experience of one or more relationships between categories, whereby every “higher” category is ultimately related to the most fundamental-level categories like energy and momentum. Every information category, even the most fundamental ones, can be defined as a relationship between other categories. So that information/knowledge is always contextual (i.e. related and categorised): information does not objectively exist without context (i.e. i.e. without relationship and categorisation), as if it were a binary digit in a vacuum.
How do we represent information:
The physical universe exists because of information relationships. But the relationships are not to be equated to the mathematical symbols we human beings use to represent them. We represent relationships symbolically as: (law of nature) equations, algorithms (these mainly exist in living things), and initial-value number assignments (where every measured number can ultimately be traced to simpler relationships between categories in which the “numerator” and “denominator” categories cancel out, leaving a number, which is a thing without a category).
What knows information and what creates information:
The universe itself creates and knows all the types of relationships (represented by human beings as equations, algorithms, numbers). More precisely, parts of the universe create and know relationships: i.e. agent-observers create and know relationships, where agent-observers are “information-integrated”: particles, atoms, molecules, and living things. This “creation” and “knowledge” are otherwise known as “free will” and “consciousness”.
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What is information:
Information = knowledge = subjective experience of one or more relationships between categories, whereby every “higher” category is ultimately related to the most fundamental-level categories like energy and momentum. Every information category, even the most fundamental ones, can be defined as a relationship between other categories. So that information/knowledge is always contextual (i.e. related and categorised): information does not objectively exist without context (i.e. i.e. without relationship and categorisation), as if it were a binary digit in a vacuum.
How do we represent information:
The physical universe exists because of information relationships. But the relationships are not to be equated to the mathematical symbols we human beings use to represent them. We represent relationships symbolically as: (law of nature) equations, algorithms (these mainly exist in living things), and initial-value number assignments (where every measured number can ultimately be traced to simpler relationships between categories in which the “numerator” and “denominator” categories cancel out, leaving a number, which is a thing without a category).
What knows information and what creates information:
The universe itself creates and knows all the types of relationships (represented by human beings as equations, algorithms, numbers). More precisely, parts of the universe create and know relationships: i.e. agent-observers create and know relationships, where agent-observers are “information-integrated”: particles, atoms, molecules, and living things. This “creation” and “knowledge” are otherwise known as “free will” and “consciousness”.
I think you should have made clear that you are quoting yourself; re-posting what you have written on the other page.
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What is Joe Fisher? Why do you persist in differentiating it as if it is a separate thing?
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As expected, David Deutsch and Chiara Marletto fail to clearly distinguish information from the symbolic representation of information [1].
For example, they say: “Information can … be moved from one type of medium to another…” But they should have said: “Symbolic representations of information can … be moved from one type of medium to another…”.
So it is not surprising that they are never able to say what information itself is. Instead they 1) try to describe the “character” and “properties” of this thing they can’t define (i.e. information); and 2) make assumptions about this thing they can’t define (i.e. information):
“we are concerned with the nature and properties of information”; “information has a counter-factual character”; “information is a qualitatively different sort of entity”; “information does resemble some entities”; “information is not abstract”; “the intuitive concept of information is associated with that of copying”; “This will allow us to express information in terms of computation”; “our search for a deeper theory of information”; “An information variable is a clonable computation variable”; “we assume that unlimited resources are available for conversion into information storage devices”; “we assume that unlimited resources are available for information processing too.”
1. Constructor Theory of Information, David Deutsch, Chiara Marletto, https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.5563v2
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For example, they say: “Information can … be moved from one type of medium to another…” But they should have said: “Symbolic representations of information can … be moved from one type of medium to another…”.
So it is not surprising that they are never able to say what information itself is. Instead they 1) try to describe the “character” and “properties” of this thing they can’t define (i.e. information); and 2) make assumptions about this thing they can’t define (i.e. information):
“we are concerned with the nature and properties of information”; “information has a counter-factual character”; “information is a qualitatively different sort of entity”; “information does resemble some entities”; “information is not abstract”; “the intuitive concept of information is associated with that of copying”; “This will allow us to express information in terms of computation”; “our search for a deeper theory of information”; “An information variable is a clonable computation variable”; “we assume that unlimited resources are available for conversion into information storage devices”; “we assume that unlimited resources are available for information processing too.”
1. Constructor Theory of Information, David Deutsch, Chiara Marletto, https://arxiv.org/abs/1405.5563v2
As with some other words - like 'physical', and 'consciousness' - one way to deal with the inability to even describe or define what they really mean is to just ignore that fact, roll ahead, and construct elaborate theories about empty concepts.
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Many atheists, including the high priest of materialism, R. Dawkins, deny the reality of free will.
"If free will could be shown to be an integral part of how nature works, rather than a social invention, that would definitely be a boost for human dignity."
The author is perhaps making the same error as Dawkins, etc. in thinking that a scientific explanation is an anti-religious argument.
If free will could be shown to be an integral part of how nature works it means that a) the atheistic evolutionists are wrong about the nature of free will (as they are on many other matters) and b) you can argue, scientifically, that God made free will an essential part of His creation, otherwise how can we be judged if we have no free will?
Atheists might not thank you if your research reinforces holy scripture!
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"If free will could be shown to be an integral part of how nature works, rather than a social invention, that would definitely be a boost for human dignity."
The author is perhaps making the same error as Dawkins, etc. in thinking that a scientific explanation is an anti-religious argument.
If free will could be shown to be an integral part of how nature works it means that a) the atheistic evolutionists are wrong about the nature of free will (as they are on many other matters) and b) you can argue, scientifically, that God made free will an essential part of His creation, otherwise how can we be judged if we have no free will?
Atheists might not thank you if your research reinforces holy scripture!
The universe is ordered. All higher phenomena, like planets and living things, are based on underlying laws of nature and quantum events.
These laws of nature and quantum events are representable, by us humans, as equations, algorithms and numbers:
1. Laws of nature are representable as mathematical equations, i.e. relationships between categories, and incorporate an algorithmic step which derives a “time”/ “number-change” category.
2. Quantum events are representable as the creation of a new algorithmic step which specifies a new mathematical equation, e.g. a new number assignment equation.
The point that I’m getting to is this: physics assumes that the universe knows these equations, algorithms and numbers. But physics is either too cowardly to admit to these assumptions, or too stupid to notice that it has made these assumptions in the first place.
I repeat: Physics assumes that a knowledge aspect exists in the universe right from the start.
An environment in which physics fails to notice their assumptions, leads to nonsensical questions like: “how did consciousness evolve?” [1], and nonsensical notions that consciousness is an “emergent property” [1].
1. Constructing a Theory of Life, Miriam Frankel, 31 July 2018, https://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/230
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These laws of nature and quantum events are representable, by us humans, as equations, algorithms and numbers:
1. Laws of nature are representable as mathematical equations, i.e. relationships between categories, and incorporate an algorithmic step which derives a “time”/ “number-change” category.
2. Quantum events are representable as the creation of a new algorithmic step which specifies a new mathematical equation, e.g. a new number assignment equation.
The point that I’m getting to is this: physics assumes that the universe knows these equations, algorithms and numbers. But physics is either too cowardly to admit to these assumptions, or too stupid to notice that it has made these assumptions in the first place.
I repeat: Physics assumes that a knowledge aspect exists in the universe right from the start.
An environment in which physics fails to notice their assumptions, leads to nonsensical questions like: “how did consciousness evolve?” [1], and nonsensical notions that consciousness is an “emergent property” [1].
1. Constructing a Theory of Life, Miriam Frankel, 31 July 2018, https://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/230
Re emergent phenomena I have to disagree with "a gas has a temperature, based on the average motion of its particles: the faster they move, the hotter the gas. But the concept of temperature is meaningless if you try to apply it to any one of those gas particles individually".... I disagree because the temperature of the individual particle is the same as the temperature of an assembly of particles whose average motion is the same as the actual motion of the individual particle.
Also... this article repeats the common unjustified assumption that it is "observation" that collapses quantum states when it could well be, and is much more likely to be, just a certain level of interaction.
There are other similar problems throughout
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Also... this article repeats the common unjustified assumption that it is "observation" that collapses quantum states when it could well be, and is much more likely to be, just a certain level of interaction.
There are other similar problems throughout
What about enzymes? They are able to exhibit catalytic function because of their particular shape. Shape resulting from folding of the sequence of amino acids. the individual amino acids or ions they are contain do not have the necessary shape to function as the whole enzyme does. So the function is only present at the scale of the whole enzyme. Making catalytic function of the enzyme an emergent property.
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OK (re enzymes) but that is just using a word - emergence - to cover effects that are a net result of several combined interactions. I am not sure using such a word takes us any further forward in understanding.
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I agree with Andrew.
As AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky said in The Futility of Emergence (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8QzZKw9WHRxjR4948/the-futil
ity-of-emergence):
"The phrase "emerges from" is acceptable, just like "arises from" or "is caused by" are acceptable, if the phrase precedes some specific model to be judged on its own merits.
However, this is not the way "emergence" is commonly used. "Emergence" is commonly used as an explanation in its own right...
[A] fun exercise is to replace the word "emergent" with the old word, the explanation that people had to use before emergence was invented:
Before: Life is an emergent phenomenon.
After: Life is a magical phenomenon.
Before: Human intelligence is an emergent product of neurons firing.
After: Human intelligence is a magical product of neurons firing.
..."Emergence" has become very popular, just as saying "magic" used to be very popular. "
Georgina, when you you the word "emergent", are you suggesting that magic has occurred?
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As AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky said in The Futility of Emergence (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/8QzZKw9WHRxjR4948/the-futil
ity-of-emergence):
"The phrase "emerges from" is acceptable, just like "arises from" or "is caused by" are acceptable, if the phrase precedes some specific model to be judged on its own merits.
However, this is not the way "emergence" is commonly used. "Emergence" is commonly used as an explanation in its own right...
[A] fun exercise is to replace the word "emergent" with the old word, the explanation that people had to use before emergence was invented:
Before: Life is an emergent phenomenon.
After: Life is a magical phenomenon.
Before: Human intelligence is an emergent product of neurons firing.
After: Human intelligence is a magical product of neurons firing.
..."Emergence" has become very popular, just as saying "magic" used to be very popular. "
Georgina, when you you the word "emergent", are you suggesting that magic has occurred?
The view that a state of affairs can exist in the universe (e.g. that (what we represent as) law of nature relationships, number relationships, and algorithmic relationships can exist in the universe), without the universe knowing about it, can’t be supported. The existence of these relationships and the knowledge of these relationships are 2 sides of the same coin. [1]
Fundamental-level knowledge is of e.g. momentum relationship, energy relationship, and time/change derived from an algorithmic relationship (delta represents an algorithmic relationship).
But fundamental-level knowledge is different to the higher-level algorithmically-acquired knowledge of living things. Living things have no direct experience of fundamental-level knowledge. And conversely, particles atoms and molecules have no experience of higher-level knowledge.
And without physics, human beings would have no idea of the fundamental-level information relationships that inform the universe.
But physics has failed to notice that the existence of relationship and the knowledge of relationship are 2 sides of the same coin. So we keep getting nonsensical questions like: “how did consciousness evolve?” [2], and nonsensical notions that consciousness is an “emergent property” [2].
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1. More precisely, the universe is not an entity: it’s the parts of the universe that have this knowledge, where the parts of the universe are particles, atoms molecules and living things.
2. Constructing a Theory of Life, Miriam Frankel, 31 July 2018, https://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/230
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Fundamental-level knowledge is of e.g. momentum relationship, energy relationship, and time/change derived from an algorithmic relationship (delta represents an algorithmic relationship).
But fundamental-level knowledge is different to the higher-level algorithmically-acquired knowledge of living things. Living things have no direct experience of fundamental-level knowledge. And conversely, particles atoms and molecules have no experience of higher-level knowledge.
And without physics, human beings would have no idea of the fundamental-level information relationships that inform the universe.
But physics has failed to notice that the existence of relationship and the knowledge of relationship are 2 sides of the same coin. So we keep getting nonsensical questions like: “how did consciousness evolve?” [2], and nonsensical notions that consciousness is an “emergent property” [2].
…………………………..
1. More precisely, the universe is not an entity: it’s the parts of the universe that have this knowledge, where the parts of the universe are particles, atoms molecules and living things.
2. Constructing a Theory of Life, Miriam Frankel, 31 July 2018, https://fqxi.org/community/articles/display/230
Quantum mechanics theory gives no real mechanism for going from probable to actual and concentrates on the effects of measurement but seems to neglect size limits for superposition.
The efficiency of photosynthesis in converting light energy into chemical energy tends to make me skeptical of the intelligent observer transformation concept’s age-old wisdom. It seems that there are a lot of micro-macro interactions in light energy being absorbed by pigment molecules in leaves and then making 2 molecules, ATP & NADPH, to produce chemical energy, seemingly at a superposition efficiency -- this w/o observation.
I would tend to favor the gravitational decoherence idea of growing assembled quantum systems and the introduction of temperature and spectral density to their environment as additional causes of decoherence.
I always look with interest for new explanations of this process.
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The efficiency of photosynthesis in converting light energy into chemical energy tends to make me skeptical of the intelligent observer transformation concept’s age-old wisdom. It seems that there are a lot of micro-macro interactions in light energy being absorbed by pigment molecules in leaves and then making 2 molecules, ATP & NADPH, to produce chemical energy, seemingly at a superposition efficiency -- this w/o observation.
I would tend to favor the gravitational decoherence idea of growing assembled quantum systems and the introduction of temperature and spectral density to their environment as additional causes of decoherence.
I always look with interest for new explanations of this process.
In the universe, there is no relationship between things (like particles) as such (except maybe coherence): there is only relationship between information categories, where the relationship is itself an information category. Examples of information categories are energy, momentum, relative distance, and time. We represent these information relationships as equations, number assignments and algorithms.
In the universe, these known relationships between information categories have the status of law because they determine the outcome numbers. The reverse situation is not true: sets of outcome numbers do not determine relationships; relationships do not emerge from an objectively observed set of outcome numbers, even if the set of outcome numbers is given a label of “attractor”. And relationships do not emerge from situations, where a situation is a subjective point of view on the outcome numbers.
In the universe, all information has context, there is no information without context: any new category of information is necessarily a new relationship built out of existing information categories. So when it comes to living things, it becomes more apparent than ever that we need to understand what it is that builds/creates/constructs information relationships, and what knows these information relationships. The only candidate is things: particles, atoms, molecules and living things.
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In the universe, these known relationships between information categories have the status of law because they determine the outcome numbers. The reverse situation is not true: sets of outcome numbers do not determine relationships; relationships do not emerge from an objectively observed set of outcome numbers, even if the set of outcome numbers is given a label of “attractor”. And relationships do not emerge from situations, where a situation is a subjective point of view on the outcome numbers.
In the universe, all information has context, there is no information without context: any new category of information is necessarily a new relationship built out of existing information categories. So when it comes to living things, it becomes more apparent than ever that we need to understand what it is that builds/creates/constructs information relationships, and what knows these information relationships. The only candidate is things: particles, atoms, molecules and living things.
Lot's of conditional qualifications, but that would seem necessary if we are to consider knowledge and information as having a real, existential physical property. And why not? Two millennia elapsed between the abstract identification of the orthogonal relationship and the experimental observation of it having a physical form in the electromagnetic dynamic. That argues well for information being physical rather than being an artifact of analysis.
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You wrote "a physical form in the electromagnetic dynamic"
Only if time is considered as something existent in/over which forms can be distributed. But not if time is only the singular extant configuration of the universe, each configuration being a different time. So there is no orthogonal time dimension in external reality as opposed to the model.
I think that processes happen but, for the most part excluding life and computers, without adhering to a separate plan or set of rules. That rules can be found that apply to repetitive processes or similar circumstances does not mean they were causal. Which is different from, for example, following a kitting pattern or running the algorithm of a cellular automaton. In such cases the information controlling the change is separate from the process and the material reality being transformed by it.
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Only if time is considered as something existent in/over which forms can be distributed. But not if time is only the singular extant configuration of the universe, each configuration being a different time. So there is no orthogonal time dimension in external reality as opposed to the model.
I think that processes happen but, for the most part excluding life and computers, without adhering to a separate plan or set of rules. That rules can be found that apply to repetitive processes or similar circumstances does not mean they were causal. Which is different from, for example, following a kitting pattern or running the algorithm of a cellular automaton. In such cases the information controlling the change is separate from the process and the material reality being transformed by it.
Anonymous, I think I may have misinterpreted your post. I don't know whether you are talking of the orthogonal relationship of the time dimension to space or the orthogonal relationship of magnetic and electric components of electromagnetic radiation. Not sure I follow your argument. Are you saying that because the abstract notion was considered prior to the development of the physics, the abstract is in some way producing the actualized form in nature?
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I decline to create a fqxi account, the site seems to have technical problems which do not get adequate attention as would be expected of an enterprise associated with the level of expertise available through Perimeter Institute. I'm skeptical therefore of security safeguards, though I think there is some good as a public outreach and some value in serious dialogue presented here. So I occasionally browse, but a brief comment then requires use of the public box.
So without getting into a discourse, I would say your observations and questions do address the argument of what is meant by information being existential. The point of the abstraction in antiquity of orthogonality becoming observed experimentally in modernity goes to the original abstraction being an idealization of form in a comparatively primitive world. That abstraction derived from study and argument of relationships between simple ratios independent of scale, and for that matter independent of time or reference to space. Purely the ideal of ratios giving rise to geometric form, and thus implying space.
The Pythagoreans invented an abstract that then informed all manner of advancements in architecture, engineering, art, philosophy and even the formalization arithmetic and the equi-partition of the number line. So can we then argue that that evolution which led to the experimental observation of the right angle rule of electromotive force, is itself of existential origin discovered in the abstractions of idealizing thought in a earlier more primitive time? I think its would be worth arguing so as a line of inquiry.
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I decline to create a fqxi account, the site seems to have technical problems which do not get adequate attention as would be expected of an enterprise associated with the level of expertise available through Perimeter Institute. I'm skeptical therefore of security safeguards, though I think there is some good as a public outreach and some value in serious dialogue presented here. So I occasionally browse, but a brief comment then requires use of the public box.
So without getting into a discourse, I would say your observations and questions do address the argument of what is meant by information being existential. The point of the abstraction in antiquity of orthogonality becoming observed experimentally in modernity goes to the original abstraction being an idealization of form in a comparatively primitive world. That abstraction derived from study and argument of relationships between simple ratios independent of scale, and for that matter independent of time or reference to space. Purely the ideal of ratios giving rise to geometric form, and thus implying space.
The Pythagoreans invented an abstract that then informed all manner of advancements in architecture, engineering, art, philosophy and even the formalization arithmetic and the equi-partition of the number line. So can we then argue that that evolution which led to the experimental observation of the right angle rule of electromotive force, is itself of existential origin discovered in the abstractions of idealizing thought in a earlier more primitive time? I think its would be worth arguing so as a line of inquiry.
Hi, the site does get a lot of spam. It might look like the site isn't working properly as the posts listed as recent can't all be accessed. However it is set up so spam posts, which are mostly advertising, can be reported as inappropriate and disappear while awaiting moderation.
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I think the definition of existence that is used will either allow or disallow immaterial relation to be included. I would exclude them, reserving physical existence for substantial things and their relations. Brain activity in a material brain can easily be considered as something physical happening. A diagram on paper is a material representation, also something physical. But the immaterial concept without concurrent means of being known, through thought or visualization can be true/correct while not having a physical existence of itself -I think : )
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This forum, in terms of web presentation, is pretty bad. After a few posts it becomes very difficult to find the new ones and I usually give up. It doesn't help that many posts are repetitious to the point of obsession.
There'd be a lot more discussion here, at a higher level, if the forum software was replaced with something more up-to-date.
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There'd be a lot more discussion here, at a higher level, if the forum software was replaced with something more up-to-date.
In quantum events, energy is not always conserved: i.e. the numbers, for variables like energy, don’t add up. In other words, in quantum events, new information [1] is added to the universe-system.
The interactions of a cyclone with trees, buildings and people can be understood in terms of lower-level, law of nature information interactions, where no new information has been added to the universe-system.
But the interactions of particles, atoms, molecules, and living things, have to be understood in terms of at least some new information having been added to the universe-system.
“Constructing a Theory of Life” is about constructing a theory of where this new information is coming from:
A) Does new information just emerge for no logical [2] reason (like Georgina, and other illogical people, claim); OR
B) Do certain forms of matter themselves create this new information?
I think it is becoming clear that matter itself is not the numb, dumb nothingness it has always been assumed to be.
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1. Information in the universe, i.e. what the universe knows about, is representable as equations, algorithms, and number assignments.
2. Logic: “Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity”, https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/logic
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The interactions of a cyclone with trees, buildings and people can be understood in terms of lower-level, law of nature information interactions, where no new information has been added to the universe-system.
But the interactions of particles, atoms, molecules, and living things, have to be understood in terms of at least some new information having been added to the universe-system.
“Constructing a Theory of Life” is about constructing a theory of where this new information is coming from:
A) Does new information just emerge for no logical [2] reason (like Georgina, and other illogical people, claim); OR
B) Do certain forms of matter themselves create this new information?
I think it is becoming clear that matter itself is not the numb, dumb nothingness it has always been assumed to be.
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1. Information in the universe, i.e. what the universe knows about, is representable as equations, algorithms, and number assignments.
2. Logic: “Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity”, https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/logic
Lorraine, I have not claimed that new information just emerges for no logical reason. Putting words into other people's mouths and insults add nothing of value to your argument. They don't belong in a well reasoned discussion about physics.
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Georgina,
yes you have in effect "claimed that new information just emerges for no logical reason".
Logic is “reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity” (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/logic).
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yes you have in effect "claimed that new information just emerges for no logical reason".
Logic is “reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity” (https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/logic).
Dear Lorraine Ford and Georgina Woodward,
Not a single invisible finite “quantum event” has ever taken place. Please accept the fact that NATURE devised the only VISIBLE structure of the UNIVERSE allowable. There has only ever been one unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring ETERNALLY in one infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light. All supposedly finite information can only be written by folk who have a surface and publish their finite written rubbish on a surface that can only be read by other people who have a surface. All other insects, fish, animals, birds and bacteria have surfaces and deal with reality much more effectively than stupid men do, because they are not deceived by supposedly finite SCIENTIFIC codswallop information.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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Not a single invisible finite “quantum event” has ever taken place. Please accept the fact that NATURE devised the only VISIBLE structure of the UNIVERSE allowable. There has only ever been one unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring ETERNALLY in one infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light. All supposedly finite information can only be written by folk who have a surface and publish their finite written rubbish on a surface that can only be read by other people who have a surface. All other insects, fish, animals, birds and bacteria have surfaces and deal with reality much more effectively than stupid men do, because they are not deceived by supposedly finite SCIENTIFIC codswallop information.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Concerning the big questions, in the end, we know NOTHING. Except perhaps that Joe Fisher's dictum of "reality isn't a theory" must somewhat be true.
I stick to Stewart Cowan's comment and opinion that holy scripture is relevant for explaining the big questions. The bible is a prophetic book and many of its prophecies have been already fullfilled in the past. One has to carfully study them and there are good books out there that list these fullfilled prophecies together with biblical archeology (the findings of bible scriptures that can be accurately dated). Even the exact day Jesus rode on the donkey into Jerusalem (10. Nisan 32 AD) was prophecied in the old testament. Many people do not know these things due to a lack of personal serious investigations. Nonetheless these investigations could have huge merrits for one's understanding of the big how's and why's.
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I stick to Stewart Cowan's comment and opinion that holy scripture is relevant for explaining the big questions. The bible is a prophetic book and many of its prophecies have been already fullfilled in the past. One has to carfully study them and there are good books out there that list these fullfilled prophecies together with biblical archeology (the findings of bible scriptures that can be accurately dated). Even the exact day Jesus rode on the donkey into Jerusalem (10. Nisan 32 AD) was prophecied in the old testament. Many people do not know these things due to a lack of personal serious investigations. Nonetheless these investigations could have huge merrits for one's understanding of the big how's and why's.
Dear Stefan Weckbach,
The biggest mistake orthodox Jews ever made was allowing English scholars in the early 17th century to translate their rabbinical writing into the supposedly definitive English language. The English scholars that did the translation published the greatest book of fiction ever written. Please read Thomas Paine’s fine pamphlet, The Age of Reason for the full details.
Reality am not a theory am not “close” to being the truth. Please accept the fact that NATURE devised the only VISIBLE structure of the UNIVERSE allowable. There has only ever been one unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring ETERNALLY in one infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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The biggest mistake orthodox Jews ever made was allowing English scholars in the early 17th century to translate their rabbinical writing into the supposedly definitive English language. The English scholars that did the translation published the greatest book of fiction ever written. Please read Thomas Paine’s fine pamphlet, The Age of Reason for the full details.
Reality am not a theory am not “close” to being the truth. Please accept the fact that NATURE devised the only VISIBLE structure of the UNIVERSE allowable. There has only ever been one unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring ETERNALLY in one infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Dear Joe Fisher,
Thomas Paine’s book is highly outdated and cannot contribute anything to enlighten the historical truth about the genesis of the holy scriptures and their truthful contents. Paine’s book was published in 1807, years before Robert Anderson published his results concerning the prophecy of Daniel 9 ff. in 1888. Nontheless I think Paine was true about the clerical system of the roman-catholic curch, since the latter’s hierarchies were built according to the hierarchies of the roman empire.
Since then, biblical archeology has advanced rapidly, early copies of complete Jesaja and other parts of the holy scriptures were found in Qumran and could be dated accurately. The abrahamitian beliefs and also the christian beliefs are about a creator of all of nature. Nature itself is the creation of God, not God itself. See for example the Gospel of John, Chapter 1, 1-12 were it has been made clear that Christ has been the creator behind all of nature as we know it. All of this has nothing to do with your musings about some “non-surface light” (until you accept that your “non-surface light” is a spiritual light, it is Christ, the light of the world).
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Thomas Paine’s book is highly outdated and cannot contribute anything to enlighten the historical truth about the genesis of the holy scriptures and their truthful contents. Paine’s book was published in 1807, years before Robert Anderson published his results concerning the prophecy of Daniel 9 ff. in 1888. Nontheless I think Paine was true about the clerical system of the roman-catholic curch, since the latter’s hierarchies were built according to the hierarchies of the roman empire.
Since then, biblical archeology has advanced rapidly, early copies of complete Jesaja and other parts of the holy scriptures were found in Qumran and could be dated accurately. The abrahamitian beliefs and also the christian beliefs are about a creator of all of nature. Nature itself is the creation of God, not God itself. See for example the Gospel of John, Chapter 1, 1-12 were it has been made clear that Christ has been the creator behind all of nature as we know it. All of this has nothing to do with your musings about some “non-surface light” (until you accept that your “non-surface light” is a spiritual light, it is Christ, the light of the world).
Hi Stefan,
the fulfilling of a prophesy such as riding on a donkey into Jerusalem is not like a double blind test as used in medical research. The participants in the fulfillment knew of the prophesies, and may have decided to fulfill them in order to add authority or gain popular support for their 'movement'. Jesus was acquainted with the temple and holy writings from an early age. As indicated by the story of him getting 'lost' and being found preaching in the temple. No doubt he continued to study the writings as he grew. It would have been more amazing if the prophesies were only revealed after fulfillment.
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the fulfilling of a prophesy such as riding on a donkey into Jerusalem is not like a double blind test as used in medical research. The participants in the fulfillment knew of the prophesies, and may have decided to fulfill them in order to add authority or gain popular support for their 'movement'. Jesus was acquainted with the temple and holy writings from an early age. As indicated by the story of him getting 'lost' and being found preaching in the temple. No doubt he continued to study the writings as he grew. It would have been more amazing if the prophesies were only revealed after fulfillment.
Logic is about valid reasoning. Logic is about what can be deduced from existing propositions and rules.
Logic does not create these propositions or rules: no propositions or rules “emerge” from logic. The source of the propositions and rules is outside the scope of logic.
And so in our universe-system, the source of the rules [1] cannot be logically deduced.
What can be deduced, is whether an outcome is a logical consequence of existing rules, or whether the outcome is due to a new rule [1] having been “input” to the universe-system. Some outcomes of quantum events can only be seen as a new rule (e.g. a new number assigned to an existing variable) having been “input” to the universe-system.
Logic does not create the rules. In our universe, the only candidate that could create and know about these rules, is matter itself: particles, atoms, molecules and living things. It is reasonable to conclude that matter is not the numb, dumb nothingness it has always been assumed to be.
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1. Where rules can be represented as equations, algorithms and/or number assignments.
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Logic does not create these propositions or rules: no propositions or rules “emerge” from logic. The source of the propositions and rules is outside the scope of logic.
And so in our universe-system, the source of the rules [1] cannot be logically deduced.
What can be deduced, is whether an outcome is a logical consequence of existing rules, or whether the outcome is due to a new rule [1] having been “input” to the universe-system. Some outcomes of quantum events can only be seen as a new rule (e.g. a new number assigned to an existing variable) having been “input” to the universe-system.
Logic does not create the rules. In our universe, the only candidate that could create and know about these rules, is matter itself: particles, atoms, molecules and living things. It is reasonable to conclude that matter is not the numb, dumb nothingness it has always been assumed to be.
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1. Where rules can be represented as equations, algorithms and/or number assignments.
Re Georgina Woodward’s claims that “It is a physical process not a rule "running the show'.”, and that “Rules and laws tell us how, the way in which, something is happening. They are not telling it to happen” [1]:
Logic is about valid reasoning and deductions based on pre-existing propositions and/or rules. Without pre-existing propositions and/or rules, nothing can be deduced.
And without the assumption that the universe has an actual logical basis (i.e. actual rule-relationships exist), then no logical deductions about the universe can be made, by physicists or anybody else. [2]
Denying that the universe is based on actual rule-relationships, then Georgina has no basis for logical deductions about the universe.
Denying that the universe is based on actual rule-relationships, Georgina is free to make claims that have no logical basis.
1. Georgina Woodward replied on Aug. 17, 2018 @ 21:49 GMT , Georgina Woodward replied on Aug. 18, 2018 @ 02:14 GMT .
2. The source of the rule-relationships is a different issue.
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Logic is about valid reasoning and deductions based on pre-existing propositions and/or rules. Without pre-existing propositions and/or rules, nothing can be deduced.
And without the assumption that the universe has an actual logical basis (i.e. actual rule-relationships exist), then no logical deductions about the universe can be made, by physicists or anybody else. [2]
Denying that the universe is based on actual rule-relationships, then Georgina has no basis for logical deductions about the universe.
Denying that the universe is based on actual rule-relationships, Georgina is free to make claims that have no logical basis.
1. Georgina Woodward replied on Aug. 17, 2018 @ 21:49 GMT , Georgina Woodward replied on Aug. 18, 2018 @ 02:14 GMT .
2. The source of the rule-relationships is a different issue.
Re Georgina Woodward’s claims of “emergence”:
Physical interactions in the universe always occur in the context of their environments. While the same fundamental variables (like energy, momentum, relative position, time) and the same fundamental law of nature relationships/rules are always there, a different environmental situation is representable as a different set of numbers for the variables in the equations/rules.
So the claim of “emergence” caused by an environmental situation is the claim that a set of numbers causes the “emergence” of something new. In a logical, rule-based system, this is clearly preposterous.
Emergentists always seem to be reluctant to, or unable to, specify exactly what it is that is supposed to emerge.
But in a logical, rule-based system you’ve got 2 choices: 1. (what we would represent as) a new number assignment (i.e. a new initial-value rule); and 2. (what we would represent as) a new rule, where a new rule is a new category of information (i.e. a new variable). Rules can be represented as equations, algorithms or number assignments.
In a logical rule-based system, the rules do not emerge as an output from the system: the rules are input to the system.
The rules are the basis for the universe-system’s logical functioning. But where the rules come from, the source of the rules, is a different issue.
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Physical interactions in the universe always occur in the context of their environments. While the same fundamental variables (like energy, momentum, relative position, time) and the same fundamental law of nature relationships/rules are always there, a different environmental situation is representable as a different set of numbers for the variables in the equations/rules.
So the claim of “emergence” caused by an environmental situation is the claim that a set of numbers causes the “emergence” of something new. In a logical, rule-based system, this is clearly preposterous.
Emergentists always seem to be reluctant to, or unable to, specify exactly what it is that is supposed to emerge.
But in a logical, rule-based system you’ve got 2 choices: 1. (what we would represent as) a new number assignment (i.e. a new initial-value rule); and 2. (what we would represent as) a new rule, where a new rule is a new category of information (i.e. a new variable). Rules can be represented as equations, algorithms or number assignments.
In a logical rule-based system, the rules do not emerge as an output from the system: the rules are input to the system.
The rules are the basis for the universe-system’s logical functioning. But where the rules come from, the source of the rules, is a different issue.
Stefan,
Slaveholding societies break up even family units and scatter them to the far reaches to prevent cultural cohesion necessary for revolt. So how could Mosses have gathered the great mass of people from twelve whole tribes to the center of the most productive area of the Egyptian Empire to foment an escape in the first place? As Moses successor, David forged the world's first known mobile, self sustaining military expeditionary force and led a genocidal campaign leaving massive amounts of archaeological and anthropological evidence in its wake. He is studied by War Colleges in every nation large enough to have one. He was a ruthless, despotic ruler who broke every one of the Ten Commandments, murdering a man to take his wife even. Exodus is the word of David, a self serving can-do rationalization to provide a narrative as the raison d'etre of cultural survival. And Exodus is one of many pantheologically. Myth begets prophesy, blind faith perpetuates it.
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Slaveholding societies break up even family units and scatter them to the far reaches to prevent cultural cohesion necessary for revolt. So how could Mosses have gathered the great mass of people from twelve whole tribes to the center of the most productive area of the Egyptian Empire to foment an escape in the first place? As Moses successor, David forged the world's first known mobile, self sustaining military expeditionary force and led a genocidal campaign leaving massive amounts of archaeological and anthropological evidence in its wake. He is studied by War Colleges in every nation large enough to have one. He was a ruthless, despotic ruler who broke every one of the Ten Commandments, murdering a man to take his wife even. Exodus is the word of David, a self serving can-do rationalization to provide a narrative as the raison d'etre of cultural survival. And Exodus is one of many pantheologically. Myth begets prophesy, blind faith perpetuates it.
Dear Anonymus,
your comment makes an extended reply necessary. But before dipping into moral arguments for musings that Exodus and the like are just myths, one has to calculate the historical dates of these events with the help of the numbers given in the bible. Since i want to argue scientifically and not emotionally in the first place, this is necessary. Only after such an investigation...
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your comment makes an extended reply necessary. But before dipping into moral arguments for musings that Exodus and the like are just myths, one has to calculate the historical dates of these events with the help of the numbers given in the bible. Since i want to argue scientifically and not emotionally in the first place, this is necessary. Only after such an investigation...
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Dear Anonymous and Stefan,
The Periodic Table am a work of fiction. Invisible finite atoms have never existed. The English translation of the Bible am fiction. No invisible empty void has ever preceded one unified VISIBLE infinite surface ETERNALLY occurring in one infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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The Periodic Table am a work of fiction. Invisible finite atoms have never existed. The English translation of the Bible am fiction. No invisible empty void has ever preceded one unified VISIBLE infinite surface ETERNALLY occurring in one infinite dimension that am always mostly illuminated by finite non-surface light.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Joe, you only provide an explanation for appearance. Appearance can not provide an explanation for how things happen, such as chemistry (i.e. the way in which it is enabled, to happen as it does). The theory of atomic elements and their characteristic properties goes a long way in explaining chemistry. I think the value of an idea is enhanced if it has explanatory power.
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Re "Constructing a Theory of Life":
Physicists seem obsessed with irrelevant nonsense about multiverses and black holes, but isn't it time that physicists considered something a bit more relevant?:
Do life and living things make new information contributions to the universe or don't they?
Seemingly they do, which means that physics has been barking up the wrong tree all along, when it comes to the nature of reality.
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Physicists seem obsessed with irrelevant nonsense about multiverses and black holes, but isn't it time that physicists considered something a bit more relevant?:
Do life and living things make new information contributions to the universe or don't they?
Seemingly they do, which means that physics has been barking up the wrong tree all along, when it comes to the nature of reality.
Re "Constructing a Theory of Life":
Physicists seem obsessed with irrelevant nonsense about multiverses and black holes, but isn't it time that physicists considered something a bit more relevant?:
Do life and living things make new information contributions to the universe or don't they?
Seemingly they do, which means that physics has been barking up the wrong tree all along, when it comes to the nature of reality.
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Physicists seem obsessed with irrelevant nonsense about multiverses and black holes, but isn't it time that physicists considered something a bit more relevant?:
Do life and living things make new information contributions to the universe or don't they?
Seemingly they do, which means that physics has been barking up the wrong tree all along, when it comes to the nature of reality.
Re above post:
I tried twice, but that last line was automatically added to my post!!!
I didn't put it there!!!
I suppose the same will happen to this post!!
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I tried twice, but that last line was automatically added to my post!!!
I didn't put it there!!!
I suppose the same will happen to this post!!
Re "Constructing a Theory of Life":
Physicists seem obsessed with irrelevant nonsense about multiverses and black holes, but isn't it time that physicists considered something a bit more relevant?:
Do life and living things make new information contributions to the universe or don't they?
Seemingly they do, which means that physics has been barking up the wrong tree all along, when it comes to the nature of reality.
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Physicists seem obsessed with irrelevant nonsense about multiverses and black holes, but isn't it time that physicists considered something a bit more relevant?:
Do life and living things make new information contributions to the universe or don't they?
Seemingly they do, which means that physics has been barking up the wrong tree all along, when it comes to the nature of reality.
Re the previous post:
I've tried 3 times, but that last line keeps getting added to my post!!
I didn't put it there!!
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I've tried 3 times, but that last line keeps getting added to my post!!
I didn't put it there!!
Ms. Ford,
I would recommend you seek professional help. That "addline" is obviously from a library type assembler which probably cut and pasted some post of yours to format it into their own website page. Open source compilers that require no sort of credentialed qualification are full of worms bred by bad actors, and the naive whom mistake them as bonefide professional venues often fall prey to exploitation themselves and become a point affliction of contageon without knowing their own system has been corrupted. Such open source compiliers exist not for genuine purpose but are only a means of generating 'hits' to accumulate a quantity of metadata that is then put into play as an intangible asset to float some sort of psuedo stock option. The current crash of cryptocurrencies is typical of such 'intangibles markets', and governance is lagging way behind technology. You may have picked up some sort of bug that is playing back your files to some physhing databank through some neophytes use of an open source publishing or other generic field compiler. There is a cyber war going on.
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I would recommend you seek professional help. That "addline" is obviously from a library type assembler which probably cut and pasted some post of yours to format it into their own website page. Open source compilers that require no sort of credentialed qualification are full of worms bred by bad actors, and the naive whom mistake them as bonefide professional venues often fall prey to exploitation themselves and become a point affliction of contageon without knowing their own system has been corrupted. Such open source compiliers exist not for genuine purpose but are only a means of generating 'hits' to accumulate a quantity of metadata that is then put into play as an intangible asset to float some sort of psuedo stock option. The current crash of cryptocurrencies is typical of such 'intangibles markets', and governance is lagging way behind technology. You may have picked up some sort of bug that is playing back your files to some physhing databank through some neophytes use of an open source publishing or other generic field compiler. There is a cyber war going on.
This seems to be the "bug" that has been added to the FQXi script (I've removed bits so it can be seen). It's up to FQXi to clean up their act:
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A person named "Anonymous" is a coward.
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We study with a new conception beyond the standard model physics and about the formation of biological molecules/atoms. Our physical universe appeared by a continuous symmetry breaking of the new energy sources from ‘Big Rip’ Singularity[i.e. when space-time(here we consider the square of the Einstein’s real space & time of the physical unfolded universe i.e., -R2)is infinity in another phase] to the “Super Unified Gaussian Energy Group SU(11)”(that means considering the Revised Standard Model of Physics) then GUT the “Unified Gaussian Energy Group SU(5)”[i.e., the present Standard Model of Physics], i.e. in a “Particular Physical Universe” (called a narrower universe) [there may be created several type of particular “ Physical Universe” in the ocean(filled with new energy sources explained details in my previous articles) of the wider universe which infinitely largest].These class of symmetry group starting from Big-Rip singularity where energy pressure and density exists[it was shown in my article “The Complex Quantum and Classical Pseudo-Tachyonic Universe”, IOSR Journal of Mathematics (IOSR-JM) e-ISSN: 2278-5728,p-ISSN: 2319-765X, Volume 8, Issue 3 (Sep. - Oct. 2013), PP 15-32 www.iosrjournals.org)] and can be expressed mathematically(by using lie-algebra) as SU(5) SU (3) SU( 2) U(1); SU(11) SU (5) SU( 6) U(1); SU (23) SU (12) SU (11) U (1); SU (47) SU(24) SU (23) U (1); ...........so on.
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The spherisation of this universal sphere seems a logic conclusion,the quantum sphères are also logic like the real cosmological sphères.We are Inside a beautiful sphere in optimisation.In all Humility Feynman said this "One day we shall see allthe Truth and we shall say Oh My God but how is it possible that we have not seen a thing so simple before" They turn so they are these sphères at all scales….
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Symplectic varieties and the spheres…..Phases and periodic hamiltonians …..Lagrange helps us :)
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The idea that brains are somehow involved in limb regeneration is not the accepted theory. All of regenerative medicine and embryology is based on the idea that these processes are self-controlled by internal mechanisms.
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Science is motivated to sever the connection with Deity. They use fluff, cover up important details like fine tuning. They use literally zero evidence to explain the amazing miracles. What is amazing is that they collect a paycheck for the harm that they do.
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