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TOPIC: The Fundamentality of Gravity by Richard J Benish [refresh]

Author Richard J Benish wrote on Feb. 2, 2018 @ 19:10 GMT
Essay Abstract

After the physicality of existence, gravity's role in the Universe is the most fundamental thing. This role has various manifestations which, it is argued, have been largely misinterpreted by modern physics. An alternative conception of gravity|one that agrees with fi rmly established empirical evidence|is most compactly characterized by its de nition of Newton's constant in terms of other fundamental constants. This ex- pression and supporting arguments largely ful ll the long-standing goal of unifying gravity with the other forces. Phenomena spanning atomic nuclei to the large-scale cosmos and the basic physical elements, mass, space, and time, are thereby seen as comprising an interdependent (unified) whole. Meanwhile, a virtual industry of fanciful, far-from-fundamental mathematical distractions clog up the literature of what is still called fundamental physics. By contrast with this dubious activity|most importantly|the new conception can be empirically tested by probing gravity where it has not yet been probed: inside (through the center) of every body of matter.

Author Bio

I am an independent researcher from Milwaukee, WI. I've been reading, thinking, and writing about gravity for a long time.

Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Feb. 3, 2018 @ 13:21 GMT
Hello Richard J. Benish! You have done a deep analysis to show The Fundamentality of Gravity. Я тоже много думал о тяжести на основе the principle of the identity of space and matter of Descartes and came to the conclusion that there are only two forces: the pressure of the universe and the centrifugal force of the rotation of space. I know that you will not agree with this. Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows this principle. Evaluate it according to your fundamental concept and leave your comment there. Then I'll give you a rating. Do not allow New Cartesian Physics go away into nothingness.

Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

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Juan Ramón González Álvarez wrote on Feb. 3, 2018 @ 14:41 GMT
What's Not Fundamental About Modern Physics and Cosmology? I would say a lot of: inflaton fields, Big Bangs, black holes, dark matter, dark energy,... are not fundamental; and ideas as multiverse are pure nonsense.

I have always enjoyed the insistence of some physicsts to pretend that gravity is curved spacetime, when we can formulate gravity without a curved spacetime.

The model of gravitons has the same problems than the model of photons, but adds some new problems exclusive to the gravitational interaction. You are correct on that the model of gravitons "make no physical sense".

About your proposed experiment, I will accept what Nature has to say, of course, but I expect the measured motion will be neither the "Newton & Einstein" nor "Benish", but a combination of both.

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Joe Fisher wrote on Feb. 3, 2018 @ 15:49 GMT
Dear Richard J Benish,

FQXi.org is clearly seeking to confirm whether Nature is fundamental.

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Colin Walker wrote on Feb. 4, 2018 @ 01:14 GMT
Hi Richard,

I completely agree that any feasible test of gravitation should be carried out. Experimental techniques have evolved remarkably, but testing the idea of Galileo's cannonball must still present a challenge to experimentalists. It is certainly unexplored territory as you point out, and so all the more tantalizing.

We are in accord on a lot - we both have space in motion, and we both consider a model of constant acceleration. I have a way to overcome Bergmann's criticism of GR, but it leads to a different escape velocity, or speed of space associated with gravity. As my essay points out, the Newtonian/GR speed could be faulty because it has not been derived relativistically to account for gravitational redshift. I would welcome any comment on this point.

I thoroughly enjoyed your essay for its innovation, and not just because it resonated strongly with my own beliefs.

Cheers,

Colin

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Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Feb. 5, 2018 @ 01:21 GMT
Dear Richard J Benish,

I'm glad your essay finally landed. As you note, we both have high regard for Tom Phipps' contributions to physics, despite certain disagreements with his approach. You further point out something I believe often goes unnoticed:

"…understanding a theory about gravity (i.e. GR) is often confused for understanding the physical phenomenon of gravity...

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Anonymous wrote on Feb. 5, 2018 @ 04:11 GMT
Colin:

Many thanks for your kind comment.

In response, I’ll refer to your essay that I have now read and intend to briefly comment on in your section of this forum.

Happy as it surely is that we agree about some things, our disagreements are not insignificant. Your essay appeals to “three relativities.” Galilean relativity facilitated some primitive (local, low-speed)...

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Colin Walker replied on Feb. 6, 2018 @ 04:16 GMT
I wonder if your objection is not to classical gravitational potential, but rather to the Schwarzschild interior solution. Classical gravitational potential is maximum at the center, where time would not be dilated and clocks would tick at their maximum rate. The force is supposed to increase (in the downward direction) linearly from the center (where it is zero) to the surface, and then fall off as the inverse square of the radius. Integrating force gives the potential which is zero at the center, decreases as the negative of the square of the radius until it reaches a minimum at the surface, and then increases to zero at infinity.

There is some thought that the ether is a compressible fluid. Some years ago, I was working on a design for a device that would produce a constant tension using a vacuum, and was toying with syringes. As long as there is a vacuum in the syringe, the force on the plunger is determined by atmospheric air pressure and the force will be the same no matter how far the plunger is drawn out. Going the other way, the plunger can compress air to many times atmospheric. So I thought, if I release the plunger it will pop out of the syringe. After all, there should be a force from air pressure pushing it out all the way. Instead, the plunger went back to its starting point with no overshoot or oscillation. Bring on Galileo's experiment!

Colin

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Colin Walker replied on Feb. 6, 2018 @ 05:24 GMT
Hmm. Going over an old textbook, I can see your objection. My statement above is not consistent with the text. Gravitational potential energy is not supposed to be zero at the center according to the text. That really does seem wrong. It is a very interesting problem.

Colin

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Bashir Yusuf wrote on Feb. 5, 2018 @ 21:51 GMT
Richard J. Benish

I think your essay is very interesting and important (one of the best I know so far) and therefore rate after reading it with great intention, Since it profoundly attacks most of current problems in physics. It really gives me a good answer about the questions related to prioritizing problems I faced.

To address all problems and to put new forward going Idea are...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 14, 2018 @ 02:32 GMT
Dear Richard J Benish

You are exactly correct about Gravity....."After the physicality of existence, gravity's role in the Universe is the most fundamental thing. This role has various manifestations which, it is argued, have been largely misinterpreted by modern physics. ....."

I hope you will not mind that I am not following main stream physics...

By the way…Here in my...

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Robert D. Sadykov wrote on Feb. 14, 2018 @ 07:20 GMT
Dear Richard,

Newton did not suggest a mechanism of gravity and did it correctly, because in any case it would be a mistake. Einstein also did not offer a specific mechanics of the curvature of space-time, and this is probably also correct. Before doing this, we need to make sure that the curvature of space-time takes place, since other approaches to gravity are also possible, for example, as presented in the essay "Double foundation of gravity". In relation to special relativity, Phipps' doubts are fully justified. In my opinion, special relativity can be replaced by a single theory of gravity. When assessing the essay "The Fundamentality of Gravity", I stopped at 9 points. I believe that among all the sections of physics, gravity is the most fundamental.

Best wishes,

Robert

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Author Richard J Benish wrote on Feb. 14, 2018 @ 21:21 GMT
Alvarez, Klingman, Walker, Yusuf, Gupta, Sadykov,

Many thanks for your thoughtful remarks.

The most important point of my essay is that the model it proposes comes with a simple, feasible, crucial experiment by which it would be unequivocally shown to be dead wrong or at least partially correct.

If the model did not possess this feature, then I would have abandoned it a long time ago. I'm not really interested in pursuing matters of interpretation that have no testable consequences, or consequences that would be revealed only in some far off decimal point.

Thanks for all your good work.

Richard Benish

Georgina Woodward wrote on Feb. 16, 2018 @ 02:10 GMT

About your experiment. I have been thinking that in order for you to test the gravity in the centre , you are proposing making a hole through the centre. That will remove gravitational mass, so the object being tested is not the same as one that is intact. Do you see this as a problem? Or is it irrelevant as your proposal is that the force comes from outward acceleration and not a consequence of the distribution of the mass?

I think the accelerometer that would read zero in free fall is being stopped by the ground and so experiencing an opposing force, interpreted as an acceleration. I don't think it is literal going up but more of a compression. Kind regards Georgina

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Author Richard J Benish replied on Feb. 17, 2018 @ 22:14 GMT
Georgina,

Concerning the experiment, the idea is to make the hole narrow compared to the whole body it goes through. Then, when something falls into it, the main effect will be due to the bulk of the surrounding mass. There being no matter at the center itself is clearly required to see how or if a falling body falls past it.

As you've noted...

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Steven Andresen wrote on Feb. 22, 2018 @ 06:27 GMT
Dear Richard

If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don’t rate them at all. Infact I haven’t issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to...

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David Brown wrote on Feb. 23, 2018 @ 08:14 GMT
"... astrophysicsts and cosmologists will pile on more dark matter ..." Are dark matter particles merely dubious hypotheses?

Kroupa, Pavel. "Galaxies as simple dynamical systems: observational data disfavor dark matter and stochastic star formation." Canadian Journal of Physics 93, no. 2 (2014): 169-202.

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