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CATEGORY: FQXi Essay Contest - Spring, 2017 [back]
TOPIC: What is Electron Spin? by Kamal L Rajpal [refresh]
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Author Kamal L Rajpal wrote on Feb. 2, 2018 @ 19:10 GMT
Essay Abstract

An isolated static electron in free space is not a fixed particle at rest. It is always oscillating in a SHM in its own electromagnetic inertia field, rest frame even at zero kelvin temperature. This is non-thermal, standing wave, resonance Compton frequency, oscillation along a linear path or, along an elliptical or a circular (clockwise or anti-clockwise) path which results in the electron’s intrinsic magnetic moment (spin up or spin down). An electron with spin behaves like a tiny magnet. Intrinsic spin does not imply that a subatomic particle is spinning like a toy-top about its axis. A hypothetical electron without a charge is like the bob of a simple pendulum without a string.

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Feb. 3, 2018 @ 14:55 GMT
Dear Kamal L Rajpal, you have done a good analysis of the essence of electron spin. Your analysis would be even better based on the identity of space and matter of Descartes. Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows this principle. Evaluate and leave your comment there. Then I'll give you a rating. Do not allow New Cartesian Physics go away into nothingness.

Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

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Joe Fisher wrote on Feb. 3, 2018 @ 15:47 GMT
Dear Kamal L Rajpal,

FQXi.org is clearly seeking to confirm whether Nature is fundamental.

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Juan Ramón González Álvarez wrote on Feb. 3, 2018 @ 19:19 GMT
An isolated electron does not generate any field. This is one of the flaws of the field-theoretic approach to interactions. The electromagnetic interaction there exist only when there two or more electrons. This multiparticle interaction is which we can write as the product of a potential and a current or density. In the one-particle limit the potentials vanish and there is no fields associated....

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Author Kamal L Rajpal replied on Feb. 8, 2018 @ 17:36 GMT
Dear Juan Ramon Gonzalez Alvarez,

Thank you for reading my essay and giving your views. To get a complete picture please read: Wave Particle http://vixra.org/pdf/1303.0170v1.pdf . I look forward to your comments.

Kamal Rajpal

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Juan Ramón González Álvarez replied on Feb. 27, 2018 @ 23:33 GMT
I think all of my criticism also applies to the Vixra paper.

I would add some comments about the section 11.0. The Dirac equation isn't a valid wavefunction equation. The ZB arises because the equations misleading mixtures positive and negative energy solutions. The Dirac equation is correctly interpreted as an identity for the fermion field operator in field theory, and the normal ordering procedure separates positive and negative solutions, eliminating all ZB components.

Hestenes' work is incorrect.

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Alan M. Kadin wrote on Feb. 4, 2018 @ 17:57 GMT
Dear Mr. Rajpal,

Your title asks a good question: “What is Electron Spin”? What is your answer? Your essay is not entirely clear.

Are you saying that spin is associated with rotational motion of a point electron around a central point in space, at a frequency mc^2/h? (Is that what you mean by the Compton frequency?)

I agree with you that electron spin is associated with rotation, and not rotation of a solid body around its axis. In my neoclassical picture, the electron is a distributed vector wavepacket, like an electromagnetic field. And like an EM field, the electron wave may be circularly polarized, corresponding to coherently rotating vector fields, at a rotational frequency mc^2/h.

You might be interested in reading my essay, “Fundamental Waves and the Reunification of Physics”. I argue that both GR and QM have been fundamentally misunderstood, and that something close to classical physics should be restored, reunifying physics that was split in the early 20th century. QM should not be a general theory of nature, but rather a mechanism for creating discrete soliton-like wavepackets from otherwise classical continuous fields. These same quantum wavepackets have a characteristic frequency and wavelength that define local time and space, enabling GR without invoking an abstract curved spacetime.

Alan Kadin

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Author Kamal L Rajpal wrote on Feb. 8, 2018 @ 17:39 GMT
Dear Dr. Alan Kadin,

Thank you for reading my essay and giving your views. To get a complete picture please read: Wave Particle http://vixra.org/pdf/1303.0170v1.pdf . I look forward to your comments.

I have read your essay and will post my comments shortly.

Kamal Rajpal

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adel sadeq wrote on Feb. 10, 2018 @ 02:22 GMT
Thanks for reading my essay , I will read yours and come back to you.

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Feb. 11, 2018 @ 07:03 GMT
Dear Kamal L Rajpal I agree that “Spin is a fundamental property of atomic & subatomicparticles, like its mass or charge. It is present both in moving and in particles at rest. OAM results from the motion of a particle around some object, like an electron around a nucleus.” We cannot say that the particle itself rotates, when we don't want to know that it rotates. And only New Cartesian Physics claims that it rotates the space that is matter. Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes. I hope you will not leave without attention to this principle and appreciate good New Cartesian Physics

Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

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Author Kamal L Rajpal wrote on Feb. 12, 2018 @ 18:26 GMT
Dear Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich,

Thank you for reading my essay and giving your views. I agree with you that an electron rotates on its axis and also around the nucleus and both contribute to electron spin.

I will continue to be in touch with you even after this essay contest is over. Meanwhile, please read: Wave Particle http://vixra.org/pdf/1303.0170v1.pdf at your convenience and give your comments.

Kamal Rajpal

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 14, 2018 @ 02:27 GMT
Hi Kamal L Rajpal Ji

Very nice fundamental discussion ... "An isolated static electron in free space is not a fixed particle at rest. It is always oscillating in a SHM in its own electromagnetic inertia field, rest frame even at zero kelvin temperature. This is non-thermal, standing wave, resonance Compton frequency, oscillation along a linear path or, along an elliptical or a circular...

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John Brodix Merryman replied on Feb. 16, 2018 @ 02:34 GMT
Kamal,

That is an interesting description of a particular, basic aspect of quantum mechanics.Though I'm not a viable expert on QM.

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Christian Corda wrote on Feb. 15, 2018 @ 11:10 GMT
Dear Kamal L Rajpal,

Thanks for your comments in my Essay page and for inviting me to read your Essay.

You wrote a nice Essay, despite it is a bit speculative. You indeed released new insights on a quantum object, the electron, that it is not still completely understood. In my Essay, I describe the "electron" of the "gravitational atom" as being the oscillations of the black hole event horizon. Till now, I have only applied a semi-classical approach without considering spins. Maybe you Essay could be a guide for my future, more detailed analyses.

In any case, your Essay was a pleasant reading. It deserves my highest score. Good luck in the Contest!

Cheers, Ch.

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Peter Jackson wrote on Feb. 16, 2018 @ 11:20 GMT
Kamal

Good work, fundamental, well conceived written and illustrated. Pencilled in for a high score. Perhaps not entirely complete and maybe with the odd flaw but those are not scoring matters, and common to all theory! I also analyse the electron and have done in past papers.

Have you analysed the 3-axis OAM components of rotation yet? I use a similar model to yours and find a 'way in' to a clssic description of QM from electrons in static fields (polarisers etc) which rotate with field direction.

I think you'll like my essay. (see also Declan Traill's code and plot).

Well done for yours.

Very Best

Peter

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Feb. 18, 2018 @ 18:08 GMT
Kamal,

Thanks for reading and commenting on my essay.

I have not been schooled in electron motion but do wonder about different simple harmonic motions (shm) of electrons in different atoms -- non-hydrogen with more than 1 electron or molecules electoral-statically impacted by adjoined electrons in other atoms. What is fundamental in all environments? We all contribute in this difficult question of fundamentalism and can help one another.

Jim Hoover

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austin fearnley wrote on Feb. 22, 2018 @ 09:07 GMT
Dear Kamal

You wrote on my thread that "Quantum Mechanics claims that an electron can be both spin-up and spin-down at the same time. In my conceptual physics Essay on Electron Spin, I have proved that this is not true." And you gave references to some of your papers.

I have read your contest paper and your vixra paper on electron spin. I note that you referred to zbw or zitterbewegung in your vixra paper. Your attribution of SHM motion to the electron seems to fit nicely with zbw.

I also do not believe that an electron can be simultaneously spin up and down at the same time. But, in my preon model, parts of an electron can be spin up and parts can be spin down simultaneously. But it is a simple count of spin up and down parts which determines the net spin. A higgs field/particle will contain an equal number of components with up and down spins.

Just as the quantum chiral spin of an electron does not mean that an electron is spinning like a top, the preons, or components, in an electron are also not simply spinning like a top. Chiral quantum spin seems to be inherent in the smallest parts of an electron, in the fashion of a fractal property. It is present no matter how far you zoom in.

Best wishes

Austin Fearnley

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richard kingsley nixey wrote on Feb. 22, 2018 @ 21:38 GMT
Kamal,

Made it as promised. Electron spin is indeed very important. Interesting read and ideas. Did you see Peter Jacksons electron model; allowing OAM and additional; vector states with the Poincare sphere, demystifying QM and the usual confusion like in Austins post above.

Well done.

Best

Richard

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Don Limuti wrote on Feb. 22, 2018 @ 23:06 GMT
Hi Kamal,

Thanks for your essay on the electron, a particle that is so basic and yet so elusive. I also consider an electron at rest an impossibility.

My own essay is a rather non-standard view of space-time and gravity. Do take a look.

Thanks for your essay,

Don Limuti

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Bashir Yusuf wrote on Feb. 23, 2018 @ 13:55 GMT
Dear Rajpal

I agree many points including;

"The electron rest mass is equivalent to the energy of a photon of wavelength equal to the electron Compton wavelength. An analysis of the oscillating electron is also given by Petr Beckmann [1]".

I believe de Broglie and Compton wavelengths tells some important effect about the matter ratios namely, ratio between electron and photon.

Here you may read,

my essay

Kind regards

Bashir

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Peter Jackson wrote on Feb. 24, 2018 @ 11:34 GMT
Kamal,

I post here not above as it's easier to find. Thanks for your kind comment on mine on 16th & viXra link which I'll follow after scoring. (Your little boost was my score). Well done.

Best of luck in the run in.

Peter

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