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August 25, 2019

CATEGORY: FQXi Essay Contest - Spring, 2017 [back]
TOPIC: A Dialogue Concerning Fundamentality in Quantum Mechanics by valia allori [refresh]
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Author Valia Allori wrote on Jan. 25, 2018 @ 17:23 GMT
Essay Abstract

There is an ongoing debate over the metaphysics of quantum mechanics, in particular about the nature of fundamental objects in a quantum world. Here is an imaginary dialogue between Wendy, who believes that the wave function is fundamental, Patty, who believes that it is not the case, and Lauren, a smart journalist who tries to take home something from this discussion.

Author Bio

Valia Allori is Associate Professor of Philosophy at Northern Illinois University. She studied physics in Italy, her home country, and then philosophy in the United States. She specializes in the foundations of physics, with particular interest in quantum mechanics.

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Alan M. Kadin wrote on Jan. 27, 2018 @ 15:40 GMT
Dear Prof. Allori,

I enjoyed your dialog on the foundations of quantum mechanics, including its historical development.

However, there is an alternative interpretation that was apparently never suggested historically, namely that a fundamental quantum wave is a real soliton-like wavepacket. Solitons, of course, require nonlinear differential equations, and the entire theoretical edifice of Hilbert space is built upon linearity.

In my own essay, “Fundamental Waves and the Reunification of Physics”, I point out that nonlinear behavior in an electron could give rise to a soliton-like wavepacket, which could exhibit the exclusion principle without requiring Pauli’s mathematical construction. It was Pauli’s construction that inadvertently created quantum entanglement, which has been a source of contention ever since. In the past few years, massive funds have been poured into quantum computing research by governments and industries, but quantum computing requires entanglement to function. My prediction is that quantum computing will fail catastrophically within about 5 years, and only then will the foundations of quantum mechanics be reexamined.

Alan Kadin

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Mohammed Sanduk wrote on Feb. 4, 2018 @ 17:03 GMT
It is nice technique to present this endless dialog, and is a good pedagogical demonstration .You covered most of the problems by short sentences.

Regards,

Mohammed Sanduk

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Steven Andresen wrote on Feb. 6, 2018 @ 05:15 GMT
Dear Valia Allori

Just letting you know that I am making a start on reading of your essay, and hope that you might also take a glance over mine please? I look forward to the sharing of thoughtful opinion. Congratulations on your essay rating as it stands, and best of luck for the contest conclusion.

My essay is titled

“Darwinian Universal Fundamental Origin”. It stands as a novel test for whether a natural organisational principle can serve a rationale, for emergence of complex systems of physics and cosmology. I will be interested to have my effort judged on both the basis of prospect and of novelty.

Thank you & kind regards

Steven Andresen

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 6, 2018 @ 19:11 GMT
Prof Valia Allori

You have wonderfully stated about wave function as a simple discussion between Wendy and Patty befitting a smart journalist who tries to take home something from this discussion, combining metaphysics in quantum mechanics..... Very good sir.... By the way....

Here in my essay energy to mass conversion is proposed...……..….. yours is very nice essay best...

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Member Noson S. Yanofsky wrote on Feb. 12, 2018 @ 17:35 GMT
Dear Valia Allori,

Your essay is very clear. Thank you.

Your graph analyzing the relationship between EPR and Bell is exact. You are right. The universe would be no stranger if there were non-local hidden variables. After all, the universe is non-local anyway!

I was wondering how the Kochen-Specker Theorem effects your analysis. It is not about nonlocality. Any thoughts?

Thank you.

If you have a chance, please take a look at my essay.

All the best,

Noson

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Flavio Del Santo wrote on Feb. 14, 2018 @ 10:59 GMT
Dear Prof Allori,

thank you for this very engaging contribution. The form of a dialogue in a bar helps reconstructing a debate of many decades over the ontological status of the wave function.

I appreciated it very much, higest rating.

If you happen to have time, i would be glad if you have a look into my essay as well, that treats in detail the consequences of Kochen-Specker and Bell's theorems.

All good wishes,

FLavio

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Kamal L Rajpal wrote on Feb. 14, 2018 @ 19:40 GMT
Dear Valia Allori,

Einstein was right when he did not agree with the EPR experiment conclusions and had said, “spooky action at a distance” cannot occur and that, “God does not play dice”. Please read Linear Polarization http://vixra.org/pdf/1303.0174v5.pdf

I also request you to read my essay on wave-particle and electron spin at: https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3145 or https://fqxi.org/data/essay-contest-files/Rajpal_1306.0141v3
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Kamal Rajpal

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James N Rose wrote on Feb. 17, 2018 @ 19:18 GMT
Prof Allori,

Very creative way to approach the question - as a conversation. I had hopes that Lauren would be the last 'speaker' in your piece, and that she would summarize and maybe unify the W versus P debate ideas of her friends, along some new line of thought, some new interpretation. :-) I applaud your very fine plain language explanation of the current relations disparities...

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Steven Andresen wrote on Feb. 22, 2018 @ 08:37 GMT
Dear Valia

If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don’t rate them at all. Infact I haven’t issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to...

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Peter Jackson wrote on Feb. 22, 2018 @ 12:28 GMT
Valia,

Nice format and analysis of the issues. But what if momenta aren't just 'singlet' but what we actually FIND on spinning spheres? And what if momentum transfer with detector (rotatable) field electrons gives outputs of 'SAME or OPPOSITE' momenta for the 3D distributions? Add some seasoning and the EPR paradox evaporates.

It takes some following but a full mechanism is in my essay. CHSH >2 plot in Declan Traill's. Gordon Watson's also on the right track.

Do interrogate it & comment there.

Very best

Peter

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Member Alyssa Ney wrote on Feb. 25, 2018 @ 18:40 GMT
Dear Valia,

Thanks for writing this dialogue about the disagreement between two ways of viewing the world according to quantum theories. I hope Patty and Wendy will meet each other again soon for another drink and debate.

On your final point, I don't think the wave function realist should agree that the primitive ontology theorist has a simpler account of how macroscopic objects of the kind we observe arise from a quantum ontology. For without the wave function, there isn't enough to capture any of the features of our experience. Without the wave function, the primitive ontology theorist has only positions. Once the wave function is introduced into such an account, as it must be,, I am concerned the explanations of Patty and Wendy will be comparably complicated.

Best,

Alyssa

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