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In the “Trialogue on the number of fundamental physical constants” was debated the number, from 1 to 3, of fundamental dimensionful units required, noting that “It is necessary and sufficient to have three basic units in order to reproduce in an experimentally meaningful way the dimensions of all physical quantities”. This implies that units such as mass, space, time, charge… ‘are’ in some physical sense, the Trialogue debating which, if any, are ‘the fundamental units’ from which the other units may then be derived. In a general mathematical universe hypothesis these units do not exist in any material sense, nevertheless there is no compelling reason why the mathematics for time-ness should relate to or depend upon the mathematics for mass-ness or space-ness, thus even a mathematical universe may be said to have a ‘form’ or ‘structure’ which can be referred to. The virtual universe which I shall discuss here is a special case of the mathematical universe in which these units must sum to unity, units = 1, the analogy being a computer game. I will argue that a virtual Descartes has no fundamental reference to which he may point and then state; ergo sum (therefore I am).

While working as a software radio engineer I became interested in the relationship between charge mass space and time, both philosophically and mathematically.

Dear Malcolm Macleod,

You wrote in the Abstract: “It is necessary and sufficient to have three basic units in order to reproduce in an experimentally meaningful way the dimensions of all physical quantities”

Nature produced one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated by mostly finite non-surface light millions of years before humanly devised finite mathematics ever became evident on earth.

Joe Fisher, Realist.

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You wrote in the Abstract: “It is necessary and sufficient to have three basic units in order to reproduce in an experimentally meaningful way the dimensions of all physical quantities”

Nature produced one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated by mostly finite non-surface light millions of years before humanly devised finite mathematics ever became evident on earth.

Joe Fisher, Realist.

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Hello Malcolm

I found aspects of this essay interesting, but couldn't find where you argued about Descartes's inability to say 'ergo sum' which was an area of interest. I think there may be something in your work, in that my own work provides a graph theoretic universal model, and an equivalent 1-space model, and has higher dimensional intepretations, so structures develop from the geometry, as you suggest. The simulation aspects seem to connect, but I couldn't make sense of parts. Because of this, while I am an essay author, I won't be rating your essay. That is, I can't tell how good it is, though I recognise that explaining such abstractions can be very challenging. My essay is at https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3041 so you might be able to build your simulation model using the elements of my Harmony Set. If so, you may come up with something very surprising next time, if that helps.

Best wishes

Stephen Anastasi

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I found aspects of this essay interesting, but couldn't find where you argued about Descartes's inability to say 'ergo sum' which was an area of interest. I think there may be something in your work, in that my own work provides a graph theoretic universal model, and an equivalent 1-space model, and has higher dimensional intepretations, so structures develop from the geometry, as you suggest. The simulation aspects seem to connect, but I couldn't make sense of parts. Because of this, while I am an essay author, I won't be rating your essay. That is, I can't tell how good it is, though I recognise that explaining such abstractions can be very challenging. My essay is at https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3041 so you might be able to build your simulation model using the elements of my Harmony Set. If so, you may come up with something very surprising next time, if that helps.

Best wishes

Stephen Anastasi

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Hi Stephen,

I see we do have significant overlap. I set the geometry of the fundamental unit of mass M = 1, in SI terms M = Planck mass. I also hypothesis that this unit represents a Planck size black-hole. Where we differ is that I use the particle frequency to dictate the frequency of units of Planck mass, in other words, for 1 unit of Planck time the electron has mass M = 1, then for 10^23 unts of Planck time the electron is in a magnetic monopole electric state (it has no mass), the monopoles and time cancel each other, the black hole is exposed, the oscillation cycle continues, the electron mass becoming the average frequency of units of Planck mass per second. Thus in my model there is only integral units of Planck mass.

Can your model also use frequencies? I inserted my virtual electron inside a universe virtual hypersphere and the role of Planck mass in this co-ordinate system may interest you. The Lorentz formulas reduce to the mathematics of perspective (just as we project a 3-D view into a 2-D image, relativity projects onto our 3-D 'screen'). The perspective paper needs flash to run.

Cheers,

Malcolm

I see we do have significant overlap. I set the geometry of the fundamental unit of mass M = 1, in SI terms M = Planck mass. I also hypothesis that this unit represents a Planck size black-hole. Where we differ is that I use the particle frequency to dictate the frequency of units of Planck mass, in other words, for 1 unit of Planck time the electron has mass M = 1, then for 10^23 unts of Planck time the electron is in a magnetic monopole electric state (it has no mass), the monopoles and time cancel each other, the black hole is exposed, the oscillation cycle continues, the electron mass becoming the average frequency of units of Planck mass per second. Thus in my model there is only integral units of Planck mass.

Can your model also use frequencies? I inserted my virtual electron inside a universe virtual hypersphere and the role of Planck mass in this co-ordinate system may interest you. The Lorentz formulas reduce to the mathematics of perspective (just as we project a 3-D view into a 2-D image, relativity projects onto our 3-D 'screen'). The perspective paper needs flash to run.

Cheers,

Malcolm

Dear Malcolm;

You propose a very interesting model for establishing a universal Unit System. Besides that you have made a point that most scientists overlook: “Measurement requires a contrast”. All measurements in physics refer to the value of a parameter against the background or compared to an arbitrary reference. Normally they confuse those parameters with the reality. And you pointed it out very well when you stated “If these are base units then in a physical universe there should be an attribute of mass-ness, of time-ness, of space-ness etc from which a definition of ‘physical’ may then be constructed. I commend you for that.

But I have to admit, probably because I do not have a computer science background, I did not understand your virtual universe model. Even though I think it is a very good idea to computer simulate model of the universe based in new concepts of the basic reality to see which of them predict observable conditions that actually occur. Something like Wolfram’s “A new Kind of science”.

I encourage you to move in that direction.

Yours;

Diogenes

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You propose a very interesting model for establishing a universal Unit System. Besides that you have made a point that most scientists overlook: “Measurement requires a contrast”. All measurements in physics refer to the value of a parameter against the background or compared to an arbitrary reference. Normally they confuse those parameters with the reality. And you pointed it out very well when you stated “If these are base units then in a physical universe there should be an attribute of mass-ness, of time-ness, of space-ness etc from which a definition of ‘physical’ may then be constructed. I commend you for that.

But I have to admit, probably because I do not have a computer science background, I did not understand your virtual universe model. Even though I think it is a very good idea to computer simulate model of the universe based in new concepts of the basic reality to see which of them predict observable conditions that actually occur. Something like Wolfram’s “A new Kind of science”.

I encourage you to move in that direction.

Yours;

Diogenes

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Hi Diogenes,

Thanks for the comments. I see there is some confusion, you wrote ... to computer simulate model of the universe ... please note I was not describing a method to simulate the universe on our computers but rather showing how our universe itself could be simulated on a 'celestial' computer.

Beginning with a virtual electron (virtual particles) the model can solve the dimensioned physical constants G, h, c, e, me, kB (along with the SI units kg, m, s, A, k) yet it uses only dimensionless mathematical forms (from 2 constants), a sort of Max Tegmark's Mathematical Universe meets Elon Musk's simulated universe.

As such a universe does not exist in any material sense, there is no fundamental 'substance' to which Descartes may point and say; 'this is'. If you have time, I have a paper on this simulated universe hypothesis that lists the formulas and derivations.

Thanks for the comments. I see there is some confusion, you wrote ... to computer simulate model of the universe ... please note I was not describing a method to simulate the universe on our computers but rather showing how our universe itself could be simulated on a 'celestial' computer.

Beginning with a virtual electron (virtual particles) the model can solve the dimensioned physical constants G, h, c, e, me, kB (along with the SI units kg, m, s, A, k) yet it uses only dimensionless mathematical forms (from 2 constants), a sort of Max Tegmark's Mathematical Universe meets Elon Musk's simulated universe.

As such a universe does not exist in any material sense, there is no fundamental 'substance' to which Descartes may point and say; 'this is'. If you have time, I have a paper on this simulated universe hypothesis that lists the formulas and derivations.

Hi Malcolm

I think looking for something fundamental in physics like the unit system is important. However, in my system which you can think of as simulation, the units and their relations appear automatically and they follow pretty much the standard known physics. Please check my essay to see if it makes any sense. Thanks

https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3127

P.S. the link you have given for the simulation appear to be broken.

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I think looking for something fundamental in physics like the unit system is important. However, in my system which you can think of as simulation, the units and their relations appear automatically and they follow pretty much the standard known physics. Please check my essay to see if it makes any sense. Thanks

https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3127

P.S. the link you have given for the simulation appear to be broken.

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Hi Adel,

Your article did not give details on how your model can be used to solve practical problems, instead it relied on external links to your website which I am having trouble to access, maybe the server is temporarily down, I will try again later. So I cannot really comment at present, I will get back to you.

I have to re-check my links also, the paper on which my article is based can be found here Programming Planck units via a virtual (black-hole) electron; a Simulation

Hypothesis, and I have a 'popular' ebook on the philisophical aspects of such a model here God the Mathematician which might interest you.

Cheers,

Malcolm

Your article did not give details on how your model can be used to solve practical problems, instead it relied on external links to your website which I am having trouble to access, maybe the server is temporarily down, I will try again later. So I cannot really comment at present, I will get back to you.

I have to re-check my links also, the paper on which my article is based can be found here Programming Planck units via a virtual (black-hole) electron; a Simulation

Hypothesis, and I have a 'popular' ebook on the philisophical aspects of such a model here God the Mathematician which might interest you.

Cheers,

Malcolm

Hi Malcolm Macleod

Very interesting essay on “Mass, Space and Time in a Virtual Universe, The virtual universe which you discussed here is really a special case of the mathematical universe, with these units as sum to unity, units = 1, the analogy being a computer game,” is good read dear Malcolm Macleod

……..….. very nice idea…. In dynamic Universe Model also thousands...

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Very interesting essay on “Mass, Space and Time in a Virtual Universe, The virtual universe which you discussed here is really a special case of the mathematical universe, with these units as sum to unity, units = 1, the analogy being a computer game,” is good read dear Malcolm Macleod

……..….. very nice idea…. In dynamic Universe Model also thousands...

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Dear Malcolm

If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don’t rate them at all. Infact I haven’t issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to...

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If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please? I read all essays from those who comment on my page, and if I cant rate an essay highly, then I don’t rate them at all. Infact I haven’t issued a rating lower that ten. So you have nothing to lose by having me read your essay, and everything to...

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Malcolm,

Quite brilliant ..I think! My skills are focussed elsewhere than maths but I understood and loved your original approach and 'out of the box the boxes came in' thinking.

Have you been involved in antenna design, and the near/far field TZ position at any lambda? I don't deal with it here but previous essays have derived a rationale similarly beyond constricted doctrinal thinking. (this years was a test which the model passed, but also beyond entrenched belief this time in in weirdness!).

I agree your central thesis;*"a virtual Descartes has no fundamental reference to which he may point and then state; ergo sum".* which is a plague on understanding including SR. I've gone so far as suggesting and rationalised a sequence of local background inertial systems which overcomes that and other problems, identifying them as bounded by near/far field transition '2-plasma fernmion 'shocks' and 'surface charge'. Rule 1. All electron re-emissiona are at local centre of mass c. Crazy? As Bohr said; valid for us both *"Yes, but is it crazy enough to be true?"*

Well done for yours, penciled in for a good boost. I do hope you get to mine.

Very best.

Peter

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Quite brilliant ..I think! My skills are focussed elsewhere than maths but I understood and loved your original approach and 'out of the box the boxes came in' thinking.

Have you been involved in antenna design, and the near/far field TZ position at any lambda? I don't deal with it here but previous essays have derived a rationale similarly beyond constricted doctrinal thinking. (this years was a test which the model passed, but also beyond entrenched belief this time in in weirdness!).

I agree your central thesis;

Well done for yours, penciled in for a good boost. I do hope you get to mine.

Very best.

Peter

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Hi Peter,

I watched the video, is the presentator you? ... I need more time to study your essay but we seem to have overlap, my model uses 'classical geometry' based on a formula for a symmetrical 3-axis virtual black-hole electron (section 4, 5), I haven't yet given any discussion to how spin might work so may I link your video to my website?

Incidentally, in the previous essay contest you made a note regarding how my virtual electron travels, I did not reply then but I was describing motion in virtual space. I use the Lorentz equations to translate from virtual space to our 3-D space, these equations are essentially the mathematics of perspective, just as we may project 3-D into a 2-D image (a photo).

Also feel free to email me any-time after the contest to continue this discussion.

Cheers,

Malcolm

I watched the video, is the presentator you? ... I need more time to study your essay but we seem to have overlap, my model uses 'classical geometry' based on a formula for a symmetrical 3-axis virtual black-hole electron (section 4, 5), I haven't yet given any discussion to how spin might work so may I link your video to my website?

Incidentally, in the previous essay contest you made a note regarding how my virtual electron travels, I did not reply then but I was describing motion in virtual space. I use the Lorentz equations to translate from virtual space to our 3-D space, these equations are essentially the mathematics of perspective, just as we may project 3-D into a 2-D image (a photo).

Also feel free to email me any-time after the contest to continue this discussion.

Cheers,

Malcolm

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