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TOPIC: Emergent SR in Fundamental Aether by marc fleury fleury [refresh]

We hypothesize a fundamental aether and derive the emergence of Special Relativity

Dr Marc Fleury has a Ph.D. in Theoretical Physics from the Ecole Polytechnique in Paris for research he did at MIT. After a decade spent as an entrepreneur building open source middleware software (JBoss, acquired by RedHat in 2007) Marc retired and went back to study, including physics, finance, crypto and music. His current research interest include software simulations of walkers, Bell violations, and experimental studies of entangled Bell photons.

Yes, I aimed for a rumination and detailed path work on a possible formal proof of emergence of SR from condensed matter treatments and something we have abandoned since Michelson and Morley null results.

Illumination on the nature of space in a AETHER.

Illumination on the nature of space in a AETHER.

Dear Marc,

I enjoyed very much your essay, and thank you for your numerous citations of my work "Universe and Matter Conjectured as a 3-Dimensional Lattice with Topological Singularities". Several of your assertions are effectively deduced from my work, and I should like here to give more informations related to it, which can be obtained at the following adresses:

Website: http://gerardgremaud.ch/

Article: G. Gremaud, « Universe and Matter conjectured as a 3-dimensional Lattice with Topological Singularities », July 2016, Journal of Modern Physics, 7, 1389-1399 , DOI 10.4236/jmp.2016.712126

Article: G. Gremaud, « Maxwell’s equations as a special case of deformation of a solid lattice in Euler’s coordinates », September 2016, arXiv :1610.00753 [physics.gen-ph]

Book: G. Gremaud, « Universe and Matter conjectured as a 3-dimensional Lattice with Topological Singularities », translated by Marc Fleury,that can be obtained on:

https://www.amazon.com/Universe-conjectured-3-dimensional-To

pological-Singularities/dp/2839919346/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=

UTF8&qid=1468498525&sr=1-2&keywords=g%C3%A9rard+gremaud

With my best regards

Gérard Gremaud

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I enjoyed very much your essay, and thank you for your numerous citations of my work "Universe and Matter Conjectured as a 3-Dimensional Lattice with Topological Singularities". Several of your assertions are effectively deduced from my work, and I should like here to give more informations related to it, which can be obtained at the following adresses:

Website: http://gerardgremaud.ch/

Article: G. Gremaud, « Universe and Matter conjectured as a 3-dimensional Lattice with Topological Singularities », July 2016, Journal of Modern Physics, 7, 1389-1399 , DOI 10.4236/jmp.2016.712126

Article: G. Gremaud, « Maxwell’s equations as a special case of deformation of a solid lattice in Euler’s coordinates », September 2016, arXiv :1610.00753 [physics.gen-ph]

Book: G. Gremaud, « Universe and Matter conjectured as a 3-dimensional Lattice with Topological Singularities », translated by Marc Fleury,that can be obtained on:

https://www.amazon.com/Universe-conjectured-3-dimensional-To

pological-Singularities/dp/2839919346/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=

UTF8&qid=1468498525&sr=1-2&keywords=g%C3%A9rard+gremaud

With my best regards

Gérard Gremaud

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Dear Marc Fleury,

I very much enjoyed your essay as we tackle the same problem in much the same way. In my endnotes I mentioned that condensed matter 'ether' of the Volovik-type picture [my ref 21], while my simpler basic postulate is to let local gravity behave as ether. I place this in the historic context of Hertz and Einstein and focus on contrasting**space-time derivation of Lorentz in two inertial frames** with **energy-time derivation of Lorentz in one inertial frame**. I do not treat the Riemannian metric in 3D as you do on page 5, but I am in general agreement with your approach. *I avoid quantum issues in my current essay*; your scope in your essay is vastly larger than mine. You attempt to apply your model of ether in all current fields of physics [in 9 pages!], and you do an admirable job in this. I focus primarily on the ramifications of ether on the nature of time.

Congratulations on an impressive essay. I invite you to read my essay and welcome your comments.

My best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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I very much enjoyed your essay as we tackle the same problem in much the same way. In my endnotes I mentioned that condensed matter 'ether' of the Volovik-type picture [my ref 21], while my simpler basic postulate is to let local gravity behave as ether. I place this in the historic context of Hertz and Einstein and focus on contrasting

Congratulations on an impressive essay. I invite you to read my essay and welcome your comments.

My best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Dear Marc Fleury, the fundamental must be simple, visible and understandable to spare our thinking. The idea of the ether taken from mythology and not suitable for this. I'm here to say to all: "Replace the Aether on concept of physical space!" Descartes idea of identity of space and matter is stronger than the idea of ether, which he filled the spaces between the large particles to the space without voids. He said that the void space is filled instantly. Taking into account modern views, we must say that void in space filled with the speed of light and so they do not disappear and the matter (space) move forever.

Take a look at my essay in which I cited examples of the effectiveness of New Cartesian physics and give a comment.

With respect. Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich

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Take a look at my essay in which I cited examples of the effectiveness of New Cartesian physics and give a comment.

With respect. Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich

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Marc:

Your aether is my plenum.

Compare the STOE model of the trajectory of photons in the silgle slit, diffraction experiment (Fig. 1 of "Diffraction experiment and its STOE photon simulation program rejects wave models of light": http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1603 )with a walker diffraction experiment (Fig. 5.c. of "A new waveof pilot-wave theory" J.W.M. Bush, Physics Today, 68 (8), 47-53, 2015).

The STOE paper also shows the result of a laser diffraction experiment with a varying intensity across the slit. Thisprovidesa link of the walker experiments with the actual difraction with a result that rejects the Huygens Fresnel model.

photon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAjKk6k6-k

Hodge Exp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A07bogzzMEI

STOE model of the universe http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1648

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Your aether is my plenum.

Compare the STOE model of the trajectory of photons in the silgle slit, diffraction experiment (Fig. 1 of "Diffraction experiment and its STOE photon simulation program rejects wave models of light": http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1603 )with a walker diffraction experiment (Fig. 5.c. of "A new waveof pilot-wave theory" J.W.M. Bush, Physics Today, 68 (8), 47-53, 2015).

The STOE paper also shows the result of a laser diffraction experiment with a varying intensity across the slit. Thisprovidesa link of the walker experiments with the actual difraction with a result that rejects the Huygens Fresnel model.

photon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMAjKk6k6-k

Hodge Exp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A07bogzzMEI

STOE model of the universe http://intellectualarchive.com/?link=item&id=1648

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Hi Dr Marc fleury....

Is Aether required for explaining Universe properties? Dynamic Universe Model dont use the concept of aether.... I request you to please have look...

** Some of the Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model :**

-No Isotropy

-No Homogeneity

-No Space-time continuum

-Non-uniform density of matter, universe is...

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Is Aether required for explaining Universe properties? Dynamic Universe Model dont use the concept of aether.... I request you to please have look...

-No Isotropy

-No Homogeneity

-No Space-time continuum

-Non-uniform density of matter, universe is...

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Dear Fellow Essayists

This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

FQXI is clearly seeking to find out if there is a fundamental REALITY.

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

FQXI is clearly seeking to find out if there is a fundamental REALITY.

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Marc - A fascinating essay, thanks! I particularly like the paragraph on Schrodinger's cat. A good addition to your zoological theme. As for the turtles, I'm still hoping to find the first turtle - but alas I fear we will always be stuck with axioms, and Godel.

Cheers - George Gantz

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Cheers - George Gantz

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Thanks for reading and the kind feedback.

Yes the Schrodinger cat finds an interesting paradox solving in the non-linear narrative. As explained in the paper, you can turn to chaos theory as arising in non-linear dynamics (for example the hydrodynamic walkers of Prof Couder) to find emergent deterministic chaos, where every step remains deterministic but for all practical purposes (to use a John Bell favorite expression) the outcome of the dynamics needs a statistical description and you lose determinism and recover the 1-N mappings.

In this narrative the cat always dies for 1/ we don't have a reversible transition 2/ we will at some point intermit (in the parlance of chaos theory) to the dead state.

Since you seem interested in these topics, I highly recommend the reference of http:// chaosbook.org in the essay. Prof Predrag Cvitanovic at Georgia Tech in Atlanta (where I live) and his team have put together quite the monograph on the topic.

I took his graduate level class (as an auditor) and collaborated with his team on the subject of quantum walkers and some of the research I chronicle in the essay (specifically the last part on Lorentz contraction of orbits). Ironically the great man himself shies away from talking about QM in general. This topic of emergent QM seems to really scare people.

SR remains the dominant taboo in the research field so I thought reconciling the notions of SR (Lorentz time dilation and space contraction) with an hypothetical aethyr would prove entertaining and enlightening. Not everyone seems to share our need for this mechanical and realist explanation as someone actually took the time to rate this essay 1/10 :)

Yes the Schrodinger cat finds an interesting paradox solving in the non-linear narrative. As explained in the paper, you can turn to chaos theory as arising in non-linear dynamics (for example the hydrodynamic walkers of Prof Couder) to find emergent deterministic chaos, where every step remains deterministic but for all practical purposes (to use a John Bell favorite expression) the outcome of the dynamics needs a statistical description and you lose determinism and recover the 1-N mappings.

In this narrative the cat always dies for 1/ we don't have a reversible transition 2/ we will at some point intermit (in the parlance of chaos theory) to the dead state.

Since you seem interested in these topics, I highly recommend the reference of http:// chaosbook.org in the essay. Prof Predrag Cvitanovic at Georgia Tech in Atlanta (where I live) and his team have put together quite the monograph on the topic.

I took his graduate level class (as an auditor) and collaborated with his team on the subject of quantum walkers and some of the research I chronicle in the essay (specifically the last part on Lorentz contraction of orbits). Ironically the great man himself shies away from talking about QM in general. This topic of emergent QM seems to really scare people.

SR remains the dominant taboo in the research field so I thought reconciling the notions of SR (Lorentz time dilation and space contraction) with an hypothetical aethyr would prove entertaining and enlightening. Not everyone seems to share our need for this mechanical and realist explanation as someone actually took the time to rate this essay 1/10 :)

Marc,

Nice unique layout & format plus very clear explanations, much of which I agree with (though some I don't) and have analysed in detailed in prev. finalist essays.

I found a lot to like; I pick out some highlights;

*Gravity, as a force, results from density gradients in the aether.*

Quantum Mechanics. We move to classify the paradox as a mis-category.

QM dynamics stop when measured in destructive ways

This spin result appears extrinsic as a dynamic result of measure not an intrinsic property to the electron

helicity either clockwise or counterclockwise and with the same angular velocity. We also see spin reversal. In this picture, the ‘spin’ emerges as physical quantized angular momentum.

...their respective field gives each other the dominant contribution, or the spin emergence we mentioned where particles all turn the same way with the same radius and the same velocity

...undergoes a contraction in the direction of displacement by the Doppler effect.

This gives us the proper numerical spatial Lorentz contraction of the field. The field takes on the shape of an oval, (I add; equiv to 'Elliptical polarity')

If you'd like to check through a full classical mechanism producing QM's predictions from different assumptions do read my essay (carefully!) I've just found Poincares Sphere confirming my 'doublet states' starting assumption. The EPR paradox dissipated as Bell anticipated. Shocking, but Declan Traill's matching code & plot shows the CHSH >2. (Of course I suspect such heresy will never overcome belief!)

Well done for yours Your score is too low so mine will help.

Very best.

Peter

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Nice unique layout & format plus very clear explanations, much of which I agree with (though some I don't) and have analysed in detailed in prev. finalist essays.

I found a lot to like; I pick out some highlights;

Quantum Mechanics. We move to classify the paradox as a mis-category.

QM dynamics stop when measured in destructive ways

This spin result appears extrinsic as a dynamic result of measure not an intrinsic property to the electron

helicity either clockwise or counterclockwise and with the same angular velocity. We also see spin reversal. In this picture, the ‘spin’ emerges as physical quantized angular momentum.

...their respective field gives each other the dominant contribution, or the spin emergence we mentioned where particles all turn the same way with the same radius and the same velocity

...undergoes a contraction in the direction of displacement by the Doppler effect.

This gives us the proper numerical spatial Lorentz contraction of the field. The field takes on the shape of an oval,

If you'd like to check through a full classical mechanism producing QM's predictions from different assumptions do read my essay (carefully!) I've just found Poincares Sphere confirming my 'doublet states' starting assumption. The EPR paradox dissipated as Bell anticipated. Shocking, but Declan Traill's matching code & plot shows the CHSH >2. (Of course I suspect such heresy will never overcome belief!)

Well done for yours Your score is too low so mine will help.

Very best.

Peter

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Dear Marc

If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please?

A couple of days in and semblance of my essay taking form, however the house bound inactivity was wearing me. I had just the remedy, so took off for a solo sail across the bay. In the lea of cove, I had underestimated the open water wind strengths. My sail...

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If you are looking for another essay to read and rate in the final days of the contest, will you consider mine please?

A couple of days in and semblance of my essay taking form, however the house bound inactivity was wearing me. I had just the remedy, so took off for a solo sail across the bay. In the lea of cove, I had underestimated the open water wind strengths. My sail...

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Dear Marc,

I highly appreciate your well-written essay in an effort to understand.

It is so close to me. «Similarly, in the classical realm without QM, when the Newtonian apple falls down to earth, by what mechanism does momentum actually increase?» «Tesla thought the fabric of space sometimes behaved like a solid and sometimes behaved like a liquid. An unknown material». «To that end, we consider a speculative type of material: a compressible superfluid of sorts, like a very particular cosmic liquid crystal».

In my opinion, this is a liquid of nematic crystals.

I hope that my modest achievements can be information for reflection for you.

Vladimir Fedorov

https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080

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I highly appreciate your well-written essay in an effort to understand.

It is so close to me. «Similarly, in the classical realm without QM, when the Newtonian apple falls down to earth, by what mechanism does momentum actually increase?» «Tesla thought the fabric of space sometimes behaved like a solid and sometimes behaved like a liquid. An unknown material». «To that end, we consider a speculative type of material: a compressible superfluid of sorts, like a very particular cosmic liquid crystal».

In my opinion, this is a liquid of nematic crystals.

I hope that my modest achievements can be information for reflection for you.

Vladimir Fedorov

https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080

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