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CATEGORY: FQXi Essay Contest - Spring, 2017 [back]
TOPIC: SPECIAL THEORY OF RELATIVITY AS A PERFECT FLUID SINK FLOW by Bayarsaikhan Bayarsaikhan Choisuren [refresh]
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Author Bayarsaikhan Bayarsaikhan Choisuren wrote on Dec. 21, 2017 @ 21:02 GMT
Essay Abstract

This paper assumes that an extraordinary invisible spatial perfect fluid sink flow that has a critical flow speed equal to light speed c, which can be treated as four-dimensional Minkowski continuum. As considering all elementary particles act as spatial perfect fluid sinks of infinitesimally small strengths, Newtonian dynamics can be extended while theoretically deriving formulas of the relativistic mass increase and the inverse square law of gravity, with an additional term that may represent the Pioneer anomaly. A mass-generation mechanism is alternatively explained on base of the spatial perfect fluid space. Scientific interpretations of concepts of mass and electric charges, and also accelerating expansion of the Universe, cyclic model of Big Rip and Bing Bang, are made.

Author Bio

Bayarsaikhan Choisuren worked as a researcher in the Institute of Physics and Technology of Mongolian Academy of Sciences and the Joint Institute for Nuclear Research, Dubna, Moscow Oblast, on Nucleon-Deuteron scattering at high energy by Glauber model

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Scott S Gordon wrote on Dec. 21, 2017 @ 23:44 GMT
Hi Bayarsaikhan,

You have stated something not easily noticed and extremely interesting, "The relative motion in Special and General Theory of Relativity is perceived to be a motion of a material object relative to its ambient spatial fluid (i.e. relative to space itself)."

What you are saying (correct me if I am mis-interpreting this) is that particles in spacetime not only have a relative motion to other particles in spacetime but have a relative motion to the underlying spacetime itself which leads to the consequences we see in special relativity. This is brilliant! Now do you have any idea of what spacetime is composed of to accomplish this? That is what Einstein was looking for but couldn't figure it out... Einstein put some of these thoughts in this presentation he gave:

http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Extras/Einstein_ether.ht
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You also seem to be implying with your idea that if spacetime is composed of something and particles are composed of something, that the known energy fields and properties of particles are a result of the interaction of what each is made of. Is that what you are saying? Have you worked out any correlation in regards to this?

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Andrew Beckwith wrote on Dec. 24, 2017 @ 11:58 GMT
I enjoyed the essay. I do hope you explain how this essay relates to the fundamental question meme of the contest. Wish you the best as to how your ideas play out in the contest

Andrew

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John R. Cox wrote on Dec. 24, 2017 @ 15:47 GMT
Bayarsaikhan,

Just scanning your essay, I must say that it resembles similar thinking in different metaphysical terminology. Spacetime as a perfect and extraordinary fluid is interesting and practical way of describing the continuum as a real though immaterial origin of energy. You are essentially arguing that space and time differentiate from a unity which continuously creates more energy than there is space at any instant, for it to exist at a minimum energy density bound. And that where energy does exist at that minimum universal density it exists at light velocity. Superluminal velocity is not disallowed in dynamics if we accept that the speed of light is an averaged velocity across the length of any single wavelenghth of a cyclic acceleration/deceleration event. So that minimum density at light velocity is really an empirical lower bound of any spatial fluid sink, conserving space in an energy supersaturate universe.

I freely admit a personal prejudice in favor of your fundamental conjecture, it is very close to my early modeling in simplistic algebraic terms and Euclidean geometry of a rationale to explain the wave-particle duality of electromagnetic radiation, and some subsequent unitary field theorization in the mid-1980's.

Good Luck, I will carefully read your essay before giving my public rating. Thanks for contributing to efforts in rationalizing the Relativity/Quantum impasse. jrc

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John R. Cox replied on Dec. 24, 2017 @ 19:44 GMT
All differences aside, I do like the effort. jrc

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Georgina Woodward wrote on Jan. 3, 2018 @ 08:15 GMT
Hi Bayarsaikhan,

I appreciate that a lot of thought and effort has gone into your model and the presentation of it here. I'm afraid I can't bring myself to read it in its entirety as I think the fudamental premise is incorrect and so it is 'barking up the wrong tree', so to say. As space-time is not foundational. I see from the comments that other readers are far more inspired and enthusiastic about it. So with good luck you will get more readers like them. Thank you for sharing your work with us. Kind regards Georgina

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Jan. 10, 2018 @ 10:53 GMT
You mean to say that is Neutrino flow?

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Jan. 22, 2018 @ 21:26 GMT
Hi

You have a very nice idea…. I highly appreciate your essay and hope for reciprocity.

I request you please spend some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your some of the valuable & esteemed guidance

Some of the Main foundational points of Dynamic Universe Model :

-No Isotropy

-No Homogeneity

-No Space-time...

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Joe Fisher wrote on Jan. 15, 2018 @ 16:49 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan Choisure

You wrote: “In this paper, we assume space-time as an extraordinary invisible perfect fluid filling all available free space throughout the entire Universe, while flowing inward toward all material objects and having created all subatomic particles in a form similar to a singular sink.”

Please stop assuming.

My research has concluded that Nature must have devised the only permanent real structure of the Universe obtainable for the real Universe existed for millions of years before man and his finite complex informational systems ever appeared on earth. The real physical Universe consists only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, ORCID ID 0000-0003-3988-8687. Unaffiliated

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Peter Jackson wrote on Jan. 20, 2018 @ 21:48 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan,

Interesting read and theory. I agree there's certainly something out there too small to perceive!

Also nicely written and presented so I think doesn't deserve to be in the 4's.

I am of the view that 'motionless' needs more explanation as you discuss motion in a number of places making it look perhaps contradictory? And can I assume in line 4 of your conclusions we could add 'local' before ambient?

You don't seem to be engaging, which is a shame. I hope you read others, and particularly mine of course!

Very best of luck

Peter

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Joe Fisher wrote on Jan. 29, 2018 @ 16:11 GMT
Dear Fellow Essayists

This will be my final plea for fair treatment.,

Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.

All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe must consist only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.

Only the truth can set you free.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on Feb. 10, 2018 @ 10:21 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan,

The FQXi contest is primarily a competition of new alternative ideas on the fundamental issues of knowledge (physics, mathematics, cosmology). You give such new ideas. This is extremely important. Especially important are new alternative ideas in cosmology . I just believe that the "big bang" hypothesis should have an ontological justification.

Yours faithfully,

Vladimir

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on Feb. 21, 2018 @ 07:13 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan,

Here we are again all together.

С большим интересом читаю ваше эссе, которое, конечно, достойно высокой оценки.

With great interest I read your essay, which of course is worthy of the highest praise.

Hopefully you will take away something from my effort that justifies the time you have given me.

Vladimir Fedorov

https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3080

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Feb. 23, 2018 @ 03:15 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan Choisuren, contemplating the beauty of your mathematical formula, can immediately give you 10. I'll give you such a rating, however, I am against unnecessary encryption of physics in mathematical symbols. Spatially the liquid which you explain the essence of body mass, in the New Cartesian Physics is just matter, because according to the principle of identity of space and matter Descartes, space is matter and matter is space that is moving. Look at my essay, FQXi Fundamental in New Cartesian Physics by Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich Where I showed how radically the physics can change if it follows the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes. I hope you will not leave without attention to this principle and appreciate good New Cartesian Physics for his radicalism

Sincerely, Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich.

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Feb. 24, 2018 @ 05:04 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan

You have presented an excellent alternative idea to the solution of the amazing gravity problem. In my opinion, it should deserve serious attention among specialists. I was especially interested in the possibility of interpreting the famous pioneer's anomaly. Well, I also think BB is out of doubt, although there are still many opponents to it. Honestly speaking to me it is difficult so quickly to unequivocally confirm all your calculations and conclusions that require a certain time. But I want to believe and wish that they would all be true, because your work is really impressive. Therefore, I consider it my duty to support you. Please try to look at my critical work, where you will find a few words about ST and GR.

My good wishes to you.

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Feb. 24, 2018 @ 05:36 GMT
P.S.

Dear Bayarsaikhan,

I think the gravity problem must be solved in the totally different field that is the logical-cognitive side of question. I have my own solution on this direction - you can check it when you will have free time:

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Feb. 24, 2018 @ 05:49 GMT
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Dear Bayarsaikhan

I think gravity problem can be solved in the other field that is from its logical-cognitive side. Check please here if you have good enough time!

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Maxim Yurievich Khlopov wrote on Feb. 24, 2018 @ 13:39 GMT
Dear Dr. Bayarsaikhan Choisuren,

Thank you for your interesting ideas on the nature of elementary particles, their mass and gravity.

With the best regards

M.Yu.Khlopov

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Jouko Harri Tiainen wrote on Feb. 26, 2018 @ 12:42 GMT
Wonderful ideas, very thorough treatment to a super high rigour.

A Perfect invisible liquid with a critical flow speed of the speed of light c. In Figure 1 The red square dot circle illustrates the horizon surface Sc. To paraphrase Dirac, spin is the square root of geometry. The outside of Sc can be treated as the four-dimensional Minkowski continuum -- hence a Geometric picture...

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on Mar. 1, 2018 @ 07:37 GMT
Dear Bayarsaikhan,

Many thanks for the kind words, interest shown in my work and for excellent questions.

The questions on the forum help to identify topics that I did not explain well enough in the essay.

You write: «I understood that your idea is based on nonideal medium of a physical vacuum».

Non ideality of the medium of the physical vacuum is a key concept....

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