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Essay Abstract
This paper will argue that physical processes are driven by information. For us, information means a fundamental “reveal”. It means sharing of information through physical space, and sharing of information fuels change of motion. And ultimately, an entity that doesn't reveal anything about itself in any way does not really exist. The argument in this paper, specifically, is centered around the hypothesis that physical entities can intrinsically carry and share information in space around it, and have the ability to use this shared information. The end result of carrying, sharing and using information is change of motion.
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This paper will argue that physical processes are driven by information. For us, information means a fundamental “reveal”. It means sharing of information through physical space, and sharing of information fuels change of motion. And ultimately, an entity that doesn't reveal anything about itself in any way does not really exist. The argument in this paper, specifically, is centered around the hypothesis that physical entities can intrinsically carry and share information in space around it, and have the ability to use this shared information. The end result of carrying, sharing and using information is change of motion.
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The premise that everything is based on information is not a new one and many physicists have been trying to advance physics using this idea. You say that a wave formation contains information. Are you of the opinion that the information contained in the wave is more fundamental than the waveform itself or the energy that is responsible for creating the waveform or changes within a waveform? In the end, would a reinterpretation of known physics give us a better understanding?
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This particular premise is new. While the very general idea is not new (think it from bit), this idea is.
Previous ideas didn't yield much in a way of equations that are known to be true. And more importantly, none have provided verifiable predictions.
I don't know if chicken or egg came first. The question is useless. No one will ever know because the answer will never carry any information, no pun intended.
As for reinterpretation of known physics, isn't the entire history of physics just that? No matter how bold the ideas, in the end, it's reinterpretation. The catch is to deliver something that matches reality in a predictive sort of way.
Previous ideas didn't yield much in a way of equations that are known to be true. And more importantly, none have provided verifiable predictions.
I don't know if chicken or egg came first. The question is useless. No one will ever know because the answer will never carry any information, no pun intended.
As for reinterpretation of known physics, isn't the entire history of physics just that? No matter how bold the ideas, in the end, it's reinterpretation. The catch is to deliver something that matches reality in a predictive sort of way.
Information is collection of data, originated, stored, arranged and dispensed by real entities and corresponding mechanisms. Further, you state that “We think of a particle as an information processor.” Hence, real entities (particles) are more fundamental than the information, itself.
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Correct on both counts.
I sense you are trying to point to a flaw in my reasoning, or is it just my imagination?
There is no doubt that there are real physical entities that possess and process information.
I don't claim otherwise. In fact, that's exactly what the theory claims. Maybe you are referring to a theory title that 'information is fundamental'. Yes, after a fashion,...
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I sense you are trying to point to a flaw in my reasoning, or is it just my imagination?
There is no doubt that there are real physical entities that possess and process information.
I don't claim otherwise. In fact, that's exactly what the theory claims. Maybe you are referring to a theory title that 'information is fundamental'. Yes, after a fashion,...
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Hi Sergio, I have taken a look and read your interesting introduction to your model. I'm afraid after that the 'essay' becomes inscrutable to me. Until the very end. Hopefully you will get some readers who can really appreciate what you have presented. You have identified what you consider fundamental, which counts in its favour. Kind regards, Georgina
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Thank you Georgina. Because of that very end, and the interesting consequences, I hope everyone gives it a look, even a quick one.
Hello Sergio...
Your Mathematical presentation rates a 4E... i.e. Explanation Elegantly Explicit to Equation.
Although I am not qualified to verify all your premises, or check your Math, the Spatial/geometry relationship expressions utilized ... e.g. the distance between 2 points... are apparently derived from the combined Cartesian/Radian coordinate system, and yes, with the...
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Your Mathematical presentation rates a 4E... i.e. Explanation Elegantly Explicit to Equation.
Although I am not qualified to verify all your premises, or check your Math, the Spatial/geometry relationship expressions utilized ... e.g. the distance between 2 points... are apparently derived from the combined Cartesian/Radian coordinate system, and yes, with the...
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Thank you for your insights!
Dear Sergio,
Contests are contests of new ideas that involve overcoming the current crisis of interpretation and representation, a crisis of understanding in fundamental science. You give new ideas for a deep discussion about the nature and role of information in the universe. This is very valuable. I believe that the modern Information Revolution will force physicists to reconsider their views on the foundations of the Universum. I invite you to see my ideas.
Successes in the contest!
Yours faithfully,
Vladimir
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Contests are contests of new ideas that involve overcoming the current crisis of interpretation and representation, a crisis of understanding in fundamental science. You give new ideas for a deep discussion about the nature and role of information in the universe. This is very valuable. I believe that the modern Information Revolution will force physicists to reconsider their views on the foundations of the Universum. I invite you to see my ideas.
Successes in the contest!
Yours faithfully,
Vladimir
Thank you for your thoughts!
Dear Sergio Michelson,
Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.
All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe consists only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.
Only the truth can set you free.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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Reliable evidence exists that proves that the surface of the earth was formed millions of years before man and his utterly complex finite informational systems ever appeared on that surface. It logically follows that Nature must have permanently devised the only single physical construct of earth allowable.
All objects, be they solid, liquid, or vaporous have always had a visible surface. This is because the real Universe consists only of one single unified VISIBLE infinite surface occurring eternally in one single infinite dimension that am always illuminated mostly by finite non-surface light.
Only the truth can set you free.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Hi Sergio Michelson,
“sharing of information through physical space, and sharing of information fuels change of motion information is fundamental” are very nice concepts Dear Sergio Michelson…..…..….. very nice idea…. I highly appreciate your essay and hope for reciprocity.
I request you please spend some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your...
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“sharing of information through physical space, and sharing of information fuels change of motion information is fundamental” are very nice concepts Dear Sergio Michelson…..…..….. very nice idea…. I highly appreciate your essay and hope for reciprocity.
I request you please spend some of the valuable time on Dynamic Universe Model also and give your...
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Hi Sergio,
Your idea is fully confirmed by my implementation. Have fun :)
https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3127
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Your idea is fully confirmed by my implementation. Have fun :)
https://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/3127
Thanks for your post.
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