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TOPIC: Aims and Intention from Mindful Mathematics: The Encompassing Physicality of Geometric Clifford Algebra by Michaele Suisse [refresh]

The emergence of sentience in the physical world - the ability to sense, feel, and respond - is central to questions surrounding the mind-body problem. Cloaked in the modern mystery of the wavefunction and its many interpretations, the search for a solid fundamental foundation to which one might anchor a model trails back into antiquity. Given the rather astounding presumption that abstractions of the mathematician might somehow inform this quest, we examine the role of geometric algebra of 3D space and 4D spacetime in establishing the foundation needed to resolve contentions of quantum interpretations. The resulting geometric wavefunction permits gut-level intuitive visualization, clarifies confusion regarding observables and observers, and provides the solid quantum foundation essential for attempts to address emergence of the phenomenon of sentience.

Peter Cameron: Many career highlights. Greatest honor was probably leading the team that developed the feedback loops for betatron tune and coupling at RHIC and the LHC. Since retirement the main focus has been generalization of quantum impedances from quantum Hall and photon impedances to those associated with all forces and potentials. Michaele Suisse: Quantum curiousiteur, researcher of the previously unexplored concept of generalized quantum impedances and its application in the conceptual foundations of quantum theory and gravitation, particle physics and nanotechnology.

Dear Michaele Suisse and Peter Cameron,

Congratulations on a superb essay on a most valuable topic.

While I do not believe sentience "emerged", nor do I believe that wave functions 'collapse', nevertheless I very much believe that you are 100% correct about geometrical algebra:

"A certain profundity to … the interaction algebra of fundamental geometric objects – point,...

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Congratulations on a superb essay on a most valuable topic.

While I do not believe sentience "emerged", nor do I believe that wave functions 'collapse', nevertheless I very much believe that you are 100% correct about geometrical algebra:

"A certain profundity to … the interaction algebra of fundamental geometric objects – point,...

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Dear Michaele Suisse,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Nice essay Suisse,

Your ideas and thinking about History of Mathematics and Wavefuction are excellent for eg…

‘ It appears that only with such an approach, with a geometric wave function, can the foundational contentions of It appears that only with such an approach, with a geometric wave function, can the foundational contentions of the quantum interpretations community be...

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Your ideas and thinking about History of Mathematics and Wavefuction are excellent for eg…

‘ It appears that only with such an approach, with a geometric wave function, can the foundational contentions of It appears that only with such an approach, with a geometric wave function, can the foundational contentions of the quantum interpretations community be...

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Hi Pete & Michaele,

I very much enjoyed reading your essay - it was a treat to read some intriguing physics written in the*right* language, that being geometric algebra. Thanks, Pete, for pointing me to it. I gave up grabbing lines I agreed with, but here are three:

* Appearance over nearly a century of growing numbers of quantum interpretations demonstrates the lack of proper physical understanding of fundamental phenomena.

* Phase is not a single measurement observable

* There is no role for an observer within coherent quantum systems, within a wavefunction.

Yay, yay, yay say I! And for a [apparently very compatible] distributed computation type view, others readers too might want to check out my version of the story in my essay Causality & Teleology.

-Mike Manthey

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I very much enjoyed reading your essay - it was a treat to read some intriguing physics written in the

* Appearance over nearly a century of growing numbers of quantum interpretations demonstrates the lack of proper physical understanding of fundamental phenomena.

* Phase is not a single measurement observable

* There is no role for an observer within coherent quantum systems, within a wavefunction.

Yay, yay, yay say I! And for a [apparently very compatible] distributed computation type view, others readers too might want to check out my version of the story in my essay Causality & Teleology.

-Mike Manthey

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Peter,

I must say that I am very disappointed. You made the following post in my forum:

"Several of the contributions to our contest are in that geometric language, including those of Michael Manthey Manthey FQXi essay and Michaele Suisse Suisse FQXi essay."

I was expecting an essay that actually used GA rather than simply one that describes its potential application to Physics. If Physics were about writing essays then I would give you a 10. The essay is elegant. However, Physics is not about essays. Physics is about making correct calculations and making testable predictions. Your essay has neither. This is particularly disappointing since you are presumably competent in the use of GA.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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I must say that I am very disappointed. You made the following post in my forum:

"Several of the contributions to our contest are in that geometric language, including those of Michael Manthey Manthey FQXi essay and Michaele Suisse Suisse FQXi essay."

I was expecting an essay that actually used GA rather than simply one that describes its potential application to Physics. If Physics were about writing essays then I would give you a 10. The essay is elegant. However, Physics is not about essays. Physics is about making correct calculations and making testable predictions. Your essay has neither. This is particularly disappointing since you are presumably competent in the use of GA.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Gary,

the only thing i can conclude from your comment is that you didn't understand what you read. The algebra of the physicist's S-matrix of figure 3 is GA. The wavefunction is comprised of the fundamental geometric objects of the geometric Clifford algebra of 3D space - one scalar, three vectors, three bivectors, and one trivector. This is pure Hestenes from his 1966 book, Spacetime Algebra, very basic stuff.

Similarly, if one models interactions by taking the geometric products of wavefunctions, that yields a 4D Dirac algebra of flat Minkowski spacetime. Again this is basic spacetime algebra.

If you take a look at this paper co-authored with Michaele Suisse

"Geometry and Fields: Illuminating the Standard Model from Within"

you might find it a little easier to see the connection between the math and the physics.

Pete

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the only thing i can conclude from your comment is that you didn't understand what you read. The algebra of the physicist's S-matrix of figure 3 is GA. The wavefunction is comprised of the fundamental geometric objects of the geometric Clifford algebra of 3D space - one scalar, three vectors, three bivectors, and one trivector. This is pure Hestenes from his 1966 book, Spacetime Algebra, very basic stuff.

Similarly, if one models interactions by taking the geometric products of wavefunctions, that yields a 4D Dirac algebra of flat Minkowski spacetime. Again this is basic spacetime algebra.

If you take a look at this paper co-authored with Michaele Suisse

"Geometry and Fields: Illuminating the Standard Model from Within"

you might find it a little easier to see the connection between the math and the physics.

Pete

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Peter,

Many thanks for the attempted clarification.

Allow me to clarify what I mean by the words "calculation" and "testable prediction".

In my essay, I calculated the diameter of the proton from first principles using quaternions combined with the wave equations. The calculated value is within roughly 1% of the value produced from measurement using muonic...

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Many thanks for the attempted clarification.

Allow me to clarify what I mean by the words "calculation" and "testable prediction".

In my essay, I calculated the diameter of the proton from first principles using quaternions combined with the wave equations. The calculated value is within roughly 1% of the value produced from measurement using muonic...

view entire post

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Dear Sirs!

Physics of Descartes, which existed prior to the physics of Newton returned as the New Cartesian Physic and promises to be a theory of everything. To tell you this good news I use spam.

New Cartesian Physic based on the identity of space and matter. It showed that the formula of mass-energy equivalence comes from the pressure of the Universe, the flow of force which on the corpuscle is equal to the product of Planck's constant to the speed of light.

New Cartesian Physic has great potential for understanding the world. To show it, I ventured to give "materialistic explanations of the paranormal and supernatural" is the title of my essay.

Visit my essay, you will find there the New Cartesian Physic and make a short entry: "I believe that space is a matter" I will answer you in return. Can put me 1.

Sincerely,

Dizhechko Boris

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Physics of Descartes, which existed prior to the physics of Newton returned as the New Cartesian Physic and promises to be a theory of everything. To tell you this good news I use spam.

New Cartesian Physic based on the identity of space and matter. It showed that the formula of mass-energy equivalence comes from the pressure of the Universe, the flow of force which on the corpuscle is equal to the product of Planck's constant to the speed of light.

New Cartesian Physic has great potential for understanding the world. To show it, I ventured to give "materialistic explanations of the paranormal and supernatural" is the title of my essay.

Visit my essay, you will find there the New Cartesian Physic and make a short entry: "I believe that space is a matter" I will answer you in return. Can put me 1.

Sincerely,

Dizhechko Boris

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This essay deserves better..

It is actually one of the best, in terms of writing quality and the quality of the idea presented, so I must assume that people simply don't understand what they are reading, or its significance. A colleague was talking to me just the other day about the incompleteness of Dirac's matrix treatment, and in Fig. 3 you show how this may be amended to show possibilities nature allows while Dirac (and many others) would have missed it. Good work. I'm guessing most folks don't even see that's a significant observation.

I'm also guessing a difficulty people have is unfamiliarity with Grassman's prescription that we consider geometric primitives on an equal footing - a point and line for example - since most were taught that points define or comprise a line, so they must be somehow more primal elements. In a simplicial manifold, the vertices, connecting lines, and resulting surface are all equally real. But the equal basis of geometric elements is important to the GA program, and is part of what gives it it's power. It is a bit peculiar however, to approach things that way, so it will only look right to more Math literate people.

More later,

Jonathan

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It is actually one of the best, in terms of writing quality and the quality of the idea presented, so I must assume that people simply don't understand what they are reading, or its significance. A colleague was talking to me just the other day about the incompleteness of Dirac's matrix treatment, and in Fig. 3 you show how this may be amended to show possibilities nature allows while Dirac (and many others) would have missed it. Good work. I'm guessing most folks don't even see that's a significant observation.

I'm also guessing a difficulty people have is unfamiliarity with Grassman's prescription that we consider geometric primitives on an equal footing - a point and line for example - since most were taught that points define or comprise a line, so they must be somehow more primal elements. In a simplicial manifold, the vertices, connecting lines, and resulting surface are all equally real. But the equal basis of geometric elements is important to the GA program, and is part of what gives it it's power. It is a bit peculiar however, to approach things that way, so it will only look right to more Math literate people.

More later,

Jonathan

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Oh it seems also..

Most who have read this didn't even see that a GA-informed look at QM admits a range of mechanisms by which consciousness and intentionality can enter the picture we would not see otherwise. Again; good work. I hope a few more notice this paper, who can actually appreciate it, before the bell is called.

All the Best,

Jonathan

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Most who have read this didn't even see that a GA-informed look at QM admits a range of mechanisms by which consciousness and intentionality can enter the picture we would not see otherwise. Again; good work. I hope a few more notice this paper, who can actually appreciate it, before the bell is called.

All the Best,

Jonathan

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Interesting and thought-provoking essay, even though I am not quite sure, whether it is very closely related to the main theme of the essay contest.

Jarmo Mäkelä

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Jarmo Mäkelä

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