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There is well established compatibility of Kantian Idealism and foundations of contemporary physics.As is known K.Godel first suggested that "Relativity theory is almost a verification of Kant's doctrine".My application of anthropological Surgery theory to foundations of quantum mechanics helped me to extract some Kant-like quantum " mathematical teleology " which contains Kantian answers for the main FQXi 2017 contest question : How synthetic a priori mindless mathematical laws give rise to aims and intentions ?
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Oxford - based anthropologist working under anthropological Surgery theory ( cultural transplantation of subcultures of idealism in contemporary physics - as example of successful transplantation, please see my physical article www.ufn.ru/en/authors /1799/popov-mikhail-a/ supported by Editor and Nobel Prizer Vitaly L Ginzburg ). From 2007 Director of KANT mission ESA Cosmic Vision 2015-2025 and frob 2013 founding Director of Prime States Quantum Lab Limited ( bio inspired quantum criptography, natural quantum simulators and quantum astronautics ).
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There is well established compatibility of Kantian Idealism and foundations of contemporary physics.As is known K.Godel first suggested that "Relativity theory is almost a verification of Kant's doctrine".My application of anthropological Surgery theory to foundations of quantum mechanics helped me to extract some Kant-like quantum " mathematical teleology " which contains Kantian answers for the main FQXi 2017 contest question : How synthetic a priori mindless mathematical laws give rise to aims and intentions ?
Author Bio
Oxford - based anthropologist working under anthropological Surgery theory ( cultural transplantation of subcultures of idealism in contemporary physics - as example of successful transplantation, please see my physical article www.ufn.ru/en/authors /1799/popov-mikhail-a/ supported by Editor and Nobel Prizer Vitaly L Ginzburg ). From 2007 Director of KANT mission ESA Cosmic Vision 2015-2025 and frob 2013 founding Director of Prime States Quantum Lab Limited ( bio inspired quantum criptography, natural quantum simulators and quantum astronautics ).
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Dear Michael,
Very deep essay, ideas and conclusions. I believe that it is especially important to find a way to overcome the crisis of understanding, the crisis of interpretation and representation:
"Assumption: synthetic a priori "mindless mathematical laws" existed always
Pre-assumption : synthetic a priori judgements could be product of merely MetaLife, Hence, 'MetaLife existed always.'"
"Kant's "Teleology of Nature " supposes also that Nature wills humanity's moral progress even against individual's will. Hence, he formulated an idea of Perpetual Peace as a kind of mathematical vector of moral evolution for humanity. "
"Vector of Time is constructible."
Yes, today it is necessary to include all the richness and depth of philosophical thinking. I invite you to read my ideas, my version of justifying of the ontological structure of "a priori".
Kind regards,
Vladimir
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Very deep essay, ideas and conclusions. I believe that it is especially important to find a way to overcome the crisis of understanding, the crisis of interpretation and representation:
"Assumption: synthetic a priori "mindless mathematical laws" existed always
Pre-assumption : synthetic a priori judgements could be product of merely MetaLife, Hence, 'MetaLife existed always.'"
"Kant's "Teleology of Nature " supposes also that Nature wills humanity's moral progress even against individual's will. Hence, he formulated an idea of Perpetual Peace as a kind of mathematical vector of moral evolution for humanity. "
"Vector of Time is constructible."
Yes, today it is necessary to include all the richness and depth of philosophical thinking. I invite you to read my ideas, my version of justifying of the ontological structure of "a priori".
Kind regards,
Vladimir
Vladimir,
Thank you for good question on a - priorism.
Please, very short introduction before judgments -
A - PRIORISM IN PHYSICS
Some historical forms of post - Kantian a - priorism :
POINCARE. As is known, at least in Russian physical literature, Poincare developed the first Relativity theory based on Kantian foundations. He stated...
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Thank you for good question on a - priorism.
Please, very short introduction before judgments -
A - PRIORISM IN PHYSICS
Some historical forms of post - Kantian a - priorism :
POINCARE. As is known, at least in Russian physical literature, Poincare developed the first Relativity theory based on Kantian foundations. He stated...
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Many thanks, Michael, for very valuable information, additional to your essay and your comment on my forum. Is it possible to find your articles on the Internet, including in Russian?
Vladimir
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Vladimir,
Philosophically, I am neo-neo-Kantian ( ближе пожалуй to philosopher - mathematician Dimitri Gawronsky ( 1883-1955 ) Marburg school of neo - Kantian philosophy. Some most sensitive details :
WITH KANT BEYOND KANT
1.Marburg school of neo - Kantian idealists ( Cohen, Natorp,Cassirer, Gawronsky )is continental group of philosopher - mathematicians.
2.Gawronsky's Urteil Principle : the philosopher must not rely on idle metaphysical speculations but has to know how synthetic a priori is actually applied in scientific practice (1912)
3.Reality is the systematic knowledge of Nature as it arises from the wild mindless mathematical synthetic a priori laws.
4." The real is clarified by the ( a priori ) ideal ".
5.What cannot be thought did not make sense. What cannot be justified by mathematical thought, must be posted by mathematics.
5.When physicists assume the first quasi - particle of the becoming Universe they must also assume an existence of mathematical rules and transcendental constants deduced from some always - existing MetaLife/Kant's Органон or Holograms generators ( in today's terms ). Hence, quite naturally to find what I called " logical invariant of neo - Kantian idealism ".
6.Hence, in Marburg - Urteil style my publications are connected with idealism inspired mathematical and physical exact results published in professional journals:
On Plato's periodic perfect numbers - Bulletin des Sciences Mathematiques, v 123 issue 1 Jan 1999;
В защиту квантового идеализма - Успехи Физических Наук т.46 № 12 ( free Russian version PDF at www.ufn.ru )
P vs NP problem in the field anthropology. ArXiv : 0904.3074 (Cs.OH) 2009
Cubic groups - Cryptology ePrint Archive: report 2010/653; etc.
Philosophically, I am neo-neo-Kantian ( ближе пожалуй to philosopher - mathematician Dimitri Gawronsky ( 1883-1955 ) Marburg school of neo - Kantian philosophy. Some most sensitive details :
WITH KANT BEYOND KANT
1.Marburg school of neo - Kantian idealists ( Cohen, Natorp,Cassirer, Gawronsky )is continental group of philosopher - mathematicians.
2.Gawronsky's Urteil Principle : the philosopher must not rely on idle metaphysical speculations but has to know how synthetic a priori is actually applied in scientific practice (1912)
3.Reality is the systematic knowledge of Nature as it arises from the wild mindless mathematical synthetic a priori laws.
4." The real is clarified by the ( a priori ) ideal ".
5.What cannot be thought did not make sense. What cannot be justified by mathematical thought, must be posted by mathematics.
5.When physicists assume the first quasi - particle of the becoming Universe they must also assume an existence of mathematical rules and transcendental constants deduced from some always - existing MetaLife/Kant's Органон or Holograms generators ( in today's terms ). Hence, quite naturally to find what I called " logical invariant of neo - Kantian idealism ".
6.Hence, in Marburg - Urteil style my publications are connected with idealism inspired mathematical and physical exact results published in professional journals:
On Plato's periodic perfect numbers - Bulletin des Sciences Mathematiques, v 123 issue 1 Jan 1999;
В защиту квантового идеализма - Успехи Физических Наук т.46 № 12 ( free Russian version PDF at www.ufn.ru )
P vs NP problem in the field anthropology. ArXiv : 0904.3074 (Cs.OH) 2009
Cubic groups - Cryptology ePrint Archive: report 2010/653; etc.
Dear Michael,
Very deep essay, ideas and conclusions. You are right. In modern physics lot of analytic, but very little synthetic. Physicists have forgotten that abstracted for analysis properties can be separated from objects and exist independently. It happened with the space, which is separated from matter and began to consider separately. Later he constructed a "space-time", hoping that this design will bring together physics. However, this did not happen because the matter itself left behind.
The synthesis of space and matter in one concept of moving space-matter generates New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the identity of space and matter.
From New Cartesian Physic great potential in understanding the world. To show this potential in his essay I gave materialistic explanations of the paranormal and supernatural. Probably, I made a mistake that has bound New Cartesian physics with the paranormal and supernatural, because it does not attract the attention of others. Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. Note my statement that our brain creates an image of the outside world no inside, and in external space. Hope you rate my essay as high as I am yours. I am waiting your post.
Sincerely, Boris Dizhechko
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Very deep essay, ideas and conclusions. You are right. In modern physics lot of analytic, but very little synthetic. Physicists have forgotten that abstracted for analysis properties can be separated from objects and exist independently. It happened with the space, which is separated from matter and began to consider separately. Later he constructed a "space-time", hoping that this design will bring together physics. However, this did not happen because the matter itself left behind.
The synthesis of space and matter in one concept of moving space-matter generates New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the identity of space and matter.
From New Cartesian Physic great potential in understanding the world. To show this potential in his essay I gave materialistic explanations of the paranormal and supernatural. Probably, I made a mistake that has bound New Cartesian physics with the paranormal and supernatural, because it does not attract the attention of others. Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. Note my statement that our brain creates an image of the outside world no inside, and in external space. Hope you rate my essay as high as I am yours. I am waiting your post.
Sincerely, Boris Dizhechko
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Dear Michael Alexeevich Popov
I appreciate your essay. You spent a lot of effort to write it. If you believed in the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes, then your essay would be even better. There is not movable a geometric space, and is movable physical space. These are different concepts.
I inform all the participants that use the electronic translator, therefore, my essay is written badly. I participate in the contest to familiarize English-speaking scientists with New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the principle of identity of space and matter. Combining space and matter into a single essence, the New Cartesian Physic is able to integrate modern physics into a single theory. Let FQXi will be the starting point of this Association.
Don't let the New Cartesian Physic disappear! Do not ask for himself, but for Descartes.
New Cartesian Physic has great potential in understanding the world. To show potential in this essay I risked give "The way of the materialist explanation of the paranormal and the supernatural" - Is the name of my essay.
Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. After you give a post in my topic, I shall do the same in your theme
Sincerely,
Dizhechko Boris
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I appreciate your essay. You spent a lot of effort to write it. If you believed in the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes, then your essay would be even better. There is not movable a geometric space, and is movable physical space. These are different concepts.
I inform all the participants that use the electronic translator, therefore, my essay is written badly. I participate in the contest to familiarize English-speaking scientists with New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the principle of identity of space and matter. Combining space and matter into a single essence, the New Cartesian Physic is able to integrate modern physics into a single theory. Let FQXi will be the starting point of this Association.
Don't let the New Cartesian Physic disappear! Do not ask for himself, but for Descartes.
New Cartesian Physic has great potential in understanding the world. To show potential in this essay I risked give "The way of the materialist explanation of the paranormal and the supernatural" - Is the name of my essay.
Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. After you give a post in my topic, I shall do the same in your theme
Sincerely,
Dizhechko Boris
Boris,
Cassirer ( Marburg neo- Kantian idealist ) made similar but alternative attempt in 1910s. He used Leibniz's generalization of Cartesian mathematical physics, where Leibniz's ideal things ( choses ideales ) and wellfounded fictions (fictions bien fondees ) are considered as a particular case of Kantian dualism. In order to develop it he used " transcendental method ".
I think it is very important to publish philosophical method which you used to achieve particular result.
Best
Michael
Cassirer ( Marburg neo- Kantian idealist ) made similar but alternative attempt in 1910s. He used Leibniz's generalization of Cartesian mathematical physics, where Leibniz's ideal things ( choses ideales ) and wellfounded fictions (fictions bien fondees ) are considered as a particular case of Kantian dualism. In order to develop it he used " transcendental method ".
I think it is very important to publish philosophical method which you used to achieve particular result.
Best
Michael
Michael, in philosophy I've been looking for, but couldn't find the deep answer to the question – what is matter? The only thing that philosophers might say – matter exists in space and in time. However, I rejected this statement and replaced it with another – matter creates space and time. From this it follows that I in their studies reject the dualism and pluralism in the existence of matter, arguing that space is a matter which is moving relative to itself.
It seems Kant argued that man cannot achieve the ideal close to him, he destroys it. This applies to us, the Russians, who built a perfect society – communism. Approaching it, we destroyed it. Likewise, it is impossible to build an ideal physics, there will always be pluralism, as many people, so many opinions. So I'm suspecting that you have underestimated my essay to give you the highest rating because you have learned that there is a New Cartesian Physic.
I wish you success!
Dizhechko Boris
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It seems Kant argued that man cannot achieve the ideal close to him, he destroys it. This applies to us, the Russians, who built a perfect society – communism. Approaching it, we destroyed it. Likewise, it is impossible to build an ideal physics, there will always be pluralism, as many people, so many opinions. So I'm suspecting that you have underestimated my essay to give you the highest rating because you have learned that there is a New Cartesian Physic.
I wish you success!
Dizhechko Boris
Dear Alexeevich Popov,
Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.
I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.
Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.
The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.
A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.
I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.
Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.
The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.
A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.
Joe Fisher, Realist
Dear Joe,
I had found that such judgment as " Only nature can produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it " is analytic but not synthetic judgment. Following Kant Transcendental Aesthetics we can easy transform such sort of tautology into opposite judgment :" only nature can produce a reality so complex ...". Synthetic a priori judgment is a mathematical theorem, having mathematical proof, and Kantian transcendental idealism is foundation of contemporary ( philosophically speaking unconsciously unified already ) physics.
It is possible, nevertheless, to rewrite your conjecture " the real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface in one infinite dimension..." as a particular case of Hilbert's Space. However, in this case you need mathematical proof and new non - Hilbert's theory based on non - Kantian " realistic" foundations.
Best
Michael
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I had found that such judgment as " Only nature can produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it " is analytic but not synthetic judgment. Following Kant Transcendental Aesthetics we can easy transform such sort of tautology into opposite judgment :" only nature can produce a reality so complex ...". Synthetic a priori judgment is a mathematical theorem, having mathematical proof, and Kantian transcendental idealism is foundation of contemporary ( philosophically speaking unconsciously unified already ) physics.
It is possible, nevertheless, to rewrite your conjecture " the real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface in one infinite dimension..." as a particular case of Hilbert's Space. However, in this case you need mathematical proof and new non - Hilbert's theory based on non - Kantian " realistic" foundations.
Best
Michael
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Nice essay Popov,
Your concepts and thinking are excellent about anthropological surgery , and the answers to question (your words)….
How are goals ( versus accomplishments ) linked to arrow of time ?
3.1. Kant suggested that the figure cannot be "constructed" , however, what can be
exhibited a priori in intuition is constructible indeed. B 742.
3.2. Vector of...
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Your concepts and thinking are excellent about anthropological surgery , and the answers to question (your words)….
How are goals ( versus accomplishments ) linked to arrow of time ?
3.1. Kant suggested that the figure cannot be "constructed" , however, what can be
exhibited a priori in intuition is constructible indeed. B 742.
3.2. Vector of...
view entire post
Dear Popov,
See how vector of intention forms goal for every mass in my essay.. You gave nice similar thinking.......
Brst
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See how vector of intention forms goal for every mass in my essay.. You gave nice similar thinking.......
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Dear SNP Gupta,
As is known, Kant was idealist but not solipsist. He developed theory of stability of our Galaxy and Solar system without Newtonian assumption of God's hand... Later Poincare and Perelman , Landau and Vlasov ( Vlasov'equation) had found some kind of fundamental refinement of the theory. Some difficulties remain in understanding of Kantian idea of transcendental goals in Nature in the terms of his Transcendental aesthetics.
Some historical reflections of similar problems were made recently by Michael Friedman , neo - Kantian philosopher from Stanford.
Best
Michael
As is known, Kant was idealist but not solipsist. He developed theory of stability of our Galaxy and Solar system without Newtonian assumption of God's hand... Later Poincare and Perelman , Landau and Vlasov ( Vlasov'equation) had found some kind of fundamental refinement of the theory. Some difficulties remain in understanding of Kantian idea of transcendental goals in Nature in the terms of his Transcendental aesthetics.
Some historical reflections of similar problems were made recently by Michael Friedman , neo - Kantian philosopher from Stanford.
Best
Michael
Michael,
A very interesting synopsis. I studied philosophy long ago and always maintain connections between the hard physical mechanisms of nature and philosophical analysis in hand with systems of logic.
I see no good argument why you hypothesis (and Kant's!) isn't a valid one and can't hold. Of course evidence is lacking, but that's never a disqualifier, and perhaps it may not be very useful, but again neither are scoring criteria here so mine will lift yours!
You seemed no to commit yourself on QM, which is certainly wise! do you agree with Bells view that it's 'founding fathers were in fact wrong' no looking for some classical derivation or believing one possible? I do, and my essay identifies one without problems with the STR, though as philosophy suggests, science would likely never now admit one!
Is there a solution and philosophy recognisable by physicists to allow understanding to advance from ever deeper embedded doctrine? I hope you may read and give your views on mine.
Very best wishes
Peter
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A very interesting synopsis. I studied philosophy long ago and always maintain connections between the hard physical mechanisms of nature and philosophical analysis in hand with systems of logic.
I see no good argument why you hypothesis (and Kant's!) isn't a valid one and can't hold. Of course evidence is lacking, but that's never a disqualifier, and perhaps it may not be very useful, but again neither are scoring criteria here so mine will lift yours!
You seemed no to commit yourself on QM, which is certainly wise! do you agree with Bells view that it's 'founding fathers were in fact wrong' no looking for some classical derivation or believing one possible? I do, and my essay identifies one without problems with the STR, though as philosophy suggests, science would likely never now admit one!
Is there a solution and philosophy recognisable by physicists to allow understanding to advance from ever deeper embedded doctrine? I hope you may read and give your views on mine.
Very best wishes
Peter
Dear Peter,
AI&Kant topic represents very interesting and deep question - please, some details
AI AND KANT
There are two different schools of thinking on AI - "analytical" and post - Kantian or "phenomenological". Analytical theorists of AI assume that some scientific nonidealistic psychology must be realistic foundation for any AI projects, however, phenomenologists reject that assumption ( see, for example Boden's Mind and Machine, Oxford University Press, 2006 ).They argue that all our scientific concepts arise merely from meaningful consciousness, but not from Kant- like transcendental intuition ( connected with synthetic a priori judgments )... I attempted to formulate such kind of "transcendental approach" to AI, where 200 years tradition of neo - Kantianism and Kant's intuitionist logic are translated into some exact protocol in 2000s ( adapted for orbital experiments ). Some similar attempt was made by B.C. Smith in his Metaphysics of computation, intentionality and objects ( Cambridge University Press, 1996)
I think neo - Kantian transcendental solution could be foundation for deeper understanding of AI in the 21st century as well.?
Remark on evidence.
Kantianism as embedded doctrine of foundations of contemporary physics is already tested conjecture. Relativity with its embedded Kantianism is well tested scientific theory. No doubts.
contact : quantlab@outlook.com
with the best wishes
Michael
AI&Kant topic represents very interesting and deep question - please, some details
AI AND KANT
There are two different schools of thinking on AI - "analytical" and post - Kantian or "phenomenological". Analytical theorists of AI assume that some scientific nonidealistic psychology must be realistic foundation for any AI projects, however, phenomenologists reject that assumption ( see, for example Boden's Mind and Machine, Oxford University Press, 2006 ).They argue that all our scientific concepts arise merely from meaningful consciousness, but not from Kant- like transcendental intuition ( connected with synthetic a priori judgments )... I attempted to formulate such kind of "transcendental approach" to AI, where 200 years tradition of neo - Kantianism and Kant's intuitionist logic are translated into some exact protocol in 2000s ( adapted for orbital experiments ). Some similar attempt was made by B.C. Smith in his Metaphysics of computation, intentionality and objects ( Cambridge University Press, 1996)
I think neo - Kantian transcendental solution could be foundation for deeper understanding of AI in the 21st century as well.?
Remark on evidence.
Kantianism as embedded doctrine of foundations of contemporary physics is already tested conjecture. Relativity with its embedded Kantianism is well tested scientific theory. No doubts.
contact : quantlab@outlook.com
with the best wishes
Michael
Michael,
Thanks, that's clarified a little. I must say I've been rather firmly in the camp of Daniel Dennett, both in terms of his very integrated philosophy/science view, but also specifically on this topic. I'm not sure the Dennett approach falls into either of the schools' you identify, does he?
I recently posted to Torsten Asslemeyer about the error of trying to understand how computers really work from just considering what's on the screen, mouse and keyboard and how they interact. That was a Dennett example.
To me too much of philosophy seems to try to do so rather than recognising that the EFFECT of computers on society, also a valid matter, is quite different. AI 'works' and 'learns' etc as emergent from the design of the small scale particle interaction mechanisms of a computer, modelling those of our brains.
Do you think philosophy should better recognise, address and encompass that physical reality to regain ground from or maybe 'confidence of' pure scientists?
You didn't comment as to whether you read my essay or not. There's an important classical derivation of QM there removing the 'weirdness' which I'd hoped you may have a view on.
Best wishes
Peter
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Thanks, that's clarified a little. I must say I've been rather firmly in the camp of Daniel Dennett, both in terms of his very integrated philosophy/science view, but also specifically on this topic. I'm not sure the Dennett approach falls into either of the schools' you identify, does he?
I recently posted to Torsten Asslemeyer about the error of trying to understand how computers really work from just considering what's on the screen, mouse and keyboard and how they interact. That was a Dennett example.
To me too much of philosophy seems to try to do so rather than recognising that the EFFECT of computers on society, also a valid matter, is quite different. AI 'works' and 'learns' etc as emergent from the design of the small scale particle interaction mechanisms of a computer, modelling those of our brains.
Do you think philosophy should better recognise, address and encompass that physical reality to regain ground from or maybe 'confidence of' pure scientists?
You didn't comment as to whether you read my essay or not. There's an important classical derivation of QM there removing the 'weirdness' which I'd hoped you may have a view on.
Best wishes
Peter
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