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Author Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 3, 2017 @ 17:30 GMT
Essay AbstractDeterminism is deeply connected with our understanding of the physical sciences and their explanatory ambitions, on the one hand, and with our views about human free action on the other. In both of these general areas there is no agreement over whether determinism is true (or even whether it can be known true or false), and what the import for human agency would be in either case. (1)
Author BioDon Limuti is president of Communication Panels Co. Obtained a BSEE from CCNY Helped organize sessions for the IEEE, wrote technical papers IEEE, obtained 6 US patents. Just recently published two papers on gravity (Prespacetime Journal) 1. A Quantum Mechanical View of the Precession of Mercury's Orbit 2. The Geometry of Dark Energy He is passionate about physics (and life) and keeps a website www.digitalwavetheory.com
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Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 16:38 GMT
Dear Don,
It did not take much time to read your conversation with Lexi.
Maybe Lexi is derived from lexicon, so vocabulary of a person, but also can say that Lexi is an invention of your own thoughts (vocabulary), so it is a little discussion/communication with youself, which is in my opinion the essence of thinking...
When you introduce yourself as the "Dad" of AI, I wonder if there is a follow up from your child in this contest...
I like the short input of this participation, which is full of followup thoughts.
Thinking is always directed to a goal isn't it ?
If you are interested in another deterministic way of thinking pls read and certainly rate
my essay "The Purpose of Life, it is a little "longer" but I hope not boaring.
I will rate your participation a 6 because of the above mentioned reasons and also I don't like the ONE's that are spread without any comment.
best regards
Wilhelmus
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Jeffrey Michael Schmitz replied on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 22:50 GMT
Don and Wilhelmus,
I am also giving this essay a "6" because it is readable, creative and on topic, but there sould be more. I also think giving someone a one without comment just hurts the contest.
Jeff
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Author Don Limuti replied on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 02:46 GMT
Jeff,
Thanks for voting for my short essay. I had to stop where I did not out of Laziness (although I am generally lazy) but because of a fear that I would butcher, a neat little essay that just happened by itself.
I thought your essay was very good and voted so. See my comments on your blog.
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Author Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 06:19 GMT
Hi Wilhelmus,
Good to be in another contest with you. I like your TS concept and it doesn't boar me ...heaven forbid! I just wish you could make the explanation of it without a shotgun full of glib words.
I interpreted the essay question to mean: Is it possible for a deterministic world to have free choice. My answer via the dialog was that it depends upon the emotional disposition of the individual. And until we get our heads around how we develop our feeling mechanisms of emotion, we cannot approach this question.
Perhaps I could have done a better job.
I appreciate:
1. Your thoughtful essay.
1. Your visiting my blog.
2. Reading my essay and making insightful comments.
I will rate your essay ....how should I say.... approvingly.
I love this essay contest and I intend to win it! Ha Ha
Don Limuti
Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 16:50 GMT
Dear Don,
Thank you for taking the time to read/comment and rate my essay.
In my perception the concept of NOW has two sides, one side is the eternal NOW moment in TS and the other is the NOW experience in our time restricted emergent phenomenon that we call reality. Time is also an emergent phenomenon that only exists in our "minds". The illusion of living...
When we are creating Lexi's as AI this is also an emerging phenomenon, so when we are "thinking" that AI's (the children of our intelligence) are going to take over , this reality is an available probability in TS, it can become a reality in someones mind in a specific life-line (constituted of Eternal NOW Moments) in TS.
best regards
Wilhelmus
PS I don't think your "essay" is bad, it is a good kick-of for discussion, you don't nedd lways much words to achieve that, because in your case you left it all open..
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Alexey/Lev Burov wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 00:49 GMT
Hi Don,
Your essay shows both motivation for and significant troubles following from denial of the free will. However, it is unclear how you resolve the problem, at least for yourself. What is your conclusion?
Best,
Alexey Burov.
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Author Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 02:46 GMT
Hi Alexey,
Firstly, as of now I think your essay is one of the best. Second my Lexi was not you, unless you happen to be a beautiful young girl.
My view is that free will comes with the human package, and even if we protest against it, as Lexi did, we are stuck with it. Free will is so inextricably part of our language that it goes unnoticed.
Also, I tried to indicate that the exercise of free will is always linked to emotion. The highest expression of emotion being radiant beauty. Your essay did this for the mathematics.
Thanks for your question and your essay.
Don Limuti
Anonymous replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 17:41 GMT
Hi Don,
Thanks again for your compliments. As to your essay, indeed, you clearly showed that the free will belongs to the human package. However, you also showed that the objectivist cause-effect thinking belongs to this package as well, and the two contradict each other, didn't you? Then, the questions arise: how to resolve that contradiction? what is the truth? does it matter? on what ground it can be decided? Somehow, you stopped at the border of the most interesting things, I would say :)
Cheers,
Alexey Burov.
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 23:08 GMT
Hi Alexey,
Perfect summary of what I did! Thank you for expressing it. I was beginning to think nobody really got what I was doing. I did stop right before the climax, kinda like those short serialized movies.
The quote from the Stanford website (my abstract) pointed out how tough a problem determinism is. I just made it more palpable with a short dialog. I should have had a last sentence that said: "Stay tuned for the next installment".
Thanks very much for your input,
Don Limuti
Alexey/Lev Burov replied on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 03:20 GMT
Don,
Although your first movie in that serial is too short, it is well done, as a beginning. I think it would be fair from my side to give you what I am giving right now :)
All the best,
Alexey.
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Steve Dufourny wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 09:30 GMT
Hi Don,
Happy to see you again on FQXI.
You have pondered a beautiful general papper about free will and determinsim.
good luck in this contest.
Best
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 23:17 GMT
Hi Steve,
I was looking for your essay. Are you in this contest?
I have entered all the contests except the last one. It feels good to be back.
What have you been up to.
Best,
Don Limuti
Steve Dufourny replied on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 09:15 GMT
Hi Don,
No I have not made it.:) I improve my theory of spherisation on FQXI.I will publish this year in logic.
Good luck ,I am wishing you all the best
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George Kirakosyan wrote on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 05:02 GMT
Hi Don,
It is nice to see you again in our clever company!
I have discovered your unusual work and I have understood (after some time) that you try to use the pepper, - against to stupidity. I am doubtful this can be effective despite me also try to add some pepper (with the small salt) in mine essay. I do not know it can be useful because Russians say - "if guy is stupid, it is for long time!" But we must do our job as we see it may better!
I welcome you and I wish to support you!
Best Regards
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Author Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 06:59 GMT
Hi George,
Glad to see you and a whole bunch of friends and valiant competitors in this contest. This contest tackles the notion of determinism and causation via mathematics or something like that. I was not going to enter, but at the last minute I did enter with the notion of highlighting just how hard a question it is. I was not trying to be a goof or trouble maker.
I look forward to reading your essay.
Don L
Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 17:09 GMT
Dear President Don Limuti,
Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.
I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.
Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with...
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Dear President Don Limuti,
Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.
I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.
Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.
The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.
A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.
Joe Fisher, Realist
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 18:47 GMT
Hi Joe,
Take the time to read my essay. I think you might enjoy it.
Don L.
Héctor Daniel Gianni wrote on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 19:44 GMT
Dear Don Limuti
I invite you and every physicist to read my work “TIME ORIGIN,DEFINITION AND EMPIRICAL MEANING FOR PHYSICISTS, Héctor Daniel Gianni ,I’m not a physicist.
How people interested in “Time” could feel about related things to the subject.
1) Intellectuals interested in Time issues usually have a nice and creative wander for the unknown.
2) They...
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Dear Don Limuti
I invite you and every physicist to read my work “TIME ORIGIN,DEFINITION AND EMPIRICAL MEANING FOR PHYSICISTS, Héctor Daniel Gianni ,I’m not a physicist.
How people interested in “Time” could feel about related things to the subject.
1) Intellectuals interested in Time issues usually have a nice and creative wander for the unknown.
2) They usually enjoy this wander of their searches around it.
3) For millenniums this wander has been shared by a lot of creative people around the world.
4) What if suddenly, something considered quasi impossible to be found or discovered such as “Time” definition and experimental meaning confronts them?
5) Their reaction would be like, something unbelievable,… a kind of disappointment, probably interpreted as a loss of wander…..
6) ….worst than that, if we say that what was found or discovered wasn’t a viable theory, but a proved fact.
7) Then it would become offensive to be part of the millenary problem solution, instead of being a reason for happiness and satisfaction.
8) The reader approach to the news would be paradoxically adverse.
9) Instead, I think it should be a nice welcome to discovery, to be received with opened arms and considered to be read with full attention.
11)Time “existence” is exclusive as a “measuring system”, its physical existence can’t be proved by science, as the “time system” is. Experimentally “time” is “movement”, we can prove that, showing that with clocks we measure “constant and uniform” movement and not “the so called Time”.
12)The original “time manuscript” has 23 pages, my manuscript in this contest has only 9 pages.
I share this brief with people interested in “time” and with physicists who have been in sore need of this issue for the last 50 or 60 years.
Héctor
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 00:34 GMT
Hi Hector,
I did read your essay and noted your interest in time and motion. I also find them fundamental concepts. If you like check out my website: www.digitalwavetheory.com
I would like to comment on your statement: "In science belief shouldn’t prevail over scientific proofs." I believe (ha ha) that mathematical proofs (and scientific proofs) start with axioms. Axioms are unquestionable starting propositions ...also known as: Beliefs.
FQXi.org has given a very circular nut to crack :)
Thanks for your essay.
Don Limuti
Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 22:51 GMT
Dear Limuti,
Nice short discussion with LEXI, your alter self…. !
Best wishes for your aspiration for making the first artificial emotional intelligence chip!
Probably we are not machines, we have something else called “consciousness”, can you provide the consciousness to the robot you are proposing to built? In my essay I am showing that the Universe is having some...
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Dear Limuti,
Nice short discussion with LEXI, your alter self…. !
Best wishes for your aspiration for making the first artificial emotional intelligence chip!
Probably we are not machines, we have something else called “consciousness”, can you provide the consciousness to the robot you are proposing to built? In my essay I am showing that the Universe is having some form of consciousness……
For your information Dynamic Universe model is totally based on experimental results. Here in Dynamic Universe Model Space is Space and time is time in cosmology level or in any level. In the classical general relativity, space and time are convertible in to each other.
Many papers and books on Dynamic Universe Model were published by the author on unsolved problems of present day Physics, for example ‘Absolute Rest frame of reference is not necessary’ (1994) , ‘Multiple bending of light ray can create many images for one Galaxy: in our dynamic universe’, About “SITA” simulations, ‘Missing mass in Galaxy is NOT required’, “New mathematics tensors without Differential and Integral equations”, “Information, Reality and Relics of Cosmic Microwave Background”, “Dynamic Universe Model explains the Discrepancies of Very-Long-Baseline Interferometry Observations.”, in 2015 ‘Explaining Formation of Astronomical Jets Using Dynamic Universe Model, ‘Explaining Pioneer anomaly’, ‘Explaining Near luminal velocities in Astronomical jets’, ‘Observation of super luminal neutrinos’, ‘Process of quenching in Galaxies due to formation of hole at the center of Galaxy, as its central densemass dries up’, “Dynamic Universe Model Predicts the Trajectory of New Horizons Satellite Going to Pluto” etc., are some more papers from the Dynamic Universe model. Four Books also were published. Book1 shows Dynamic Universe Model is singularity free and body to collision free, Book 2, and Book 3 are explanation of equations of Dynamic Universe model. Book 4 deals about prediction and finding of Blue shifted Galaxies in the universe.
With axioms like… No Isotropy; No Homogeneity; No Space-time continuum; Non-uniform density of matter(Universe is lumpy); No singularities; No collisions between bodies; No Blackholes; No warm holes; No Bigbang; No repulsion between distant Galaxies; Non-empty Universe; No imaginary or negative time axis; No imaginary X, Y, Z axes; No differential and Integral Equations mathematically; No General Relativity and Model does not reduce to General Relativity on any condition; No Creation of matter like Bigbang or steady-state models; No many mini Bigbangs; No Missing Mass; No Dark matter; No Dark energy; No Bigbang generated CMB detected; No Multi-verses etc.
Many predictions of Dynamic Universe Model came true, like Blue shifted Galaxies and no dark matter. Dynamic Universe Model gave many results otherwise difficult to explain
Have a look at my essay on Dynamic Universe Model and its blog also where all my books and papers are available for free downloading…
http://vaksdynamicuniversemodel.blogspot.in/
Be
st wishes to your essay.
For your blessings please…………….
=snp. gupta
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 23:47 GMT
Hi SNP Gupta,
Thanks for your visit. My goal was to play with choice and determinism, and show how freewill and determinism cannot be avoided.
Yours in a Dynamic Universe,
Don Limuti
Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 01:06 GMT
Dear Don Limuti,
Yes you are correct, It is a nice goal indeed.....
Very fast response….wonderful…
Thank you for such nice comment on my essay. I hope you will study further on this Dynamic Universe Model….
Your thinking is wonderful…
Best wishes
=snp
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Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 06:57 GMT
Dear Don Limuti,
It's always a pleasure to read your entries. And, in the Karl Popper sense, no one can prove you wrong! You combine subtlety and humor in a way few can match. I'll bet you're a lot of fun to be with. But, having read your essay three times, I'm more impressed each time and most impressed that you do it all in a page and a half.
It's definitely good to see you back!
Edwin Eugene Klingman
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 17:10 GMT
Edwin,
Great to be back in such good company.
Don Limuti
James Lee Hoover wrote on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 07:02 GMT
Don,
"Don and Lexi" have roles that could continue in the deterministic discussion. Personally I think I would go along with Hume's rejection of logical induction, denying connection to practical reason. I think I point that out in my essay regarding the apparent flirtation of humankind with possible extinction or decision making counter to our well being.
I think Hume also said that "matter in all its operations, is actuated by a necessary force, and that every natural effect is so precisely determined by the energy of its cause, that no other effect, in such particular circumstances, could possibly have resulted from it." My utter speculation regarding dark matter suggests a myriad of interactions produce forces that might be responsible for dark matter. Thus dark matter could be a natural effect of such interactions but certainly is something we have failed to determine.
One thing your essay does is open up the thinking about the impact of mindless laws, the material world and human agency.
Jim Hoover
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 17:16 GMT
James,
Thanks for your visit and your thought provoking essay.
Don Limuti
Stefan Weckbach wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 12:59 GMT
Hi Don,
your essay is a huge fun to read and sets the stage for all kinds of possible interpretations and answers to the quest of determinism / free will. The openness of your conversation reflects the openness of the question, although both persons in your essay (ha, ha) do believe to have the ultimate answer. But wait a minute, do they really believe, or are they forced to blieve due to...
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Hi Don,
your essay is a huge fun to read and sets the stage for all kinds of possible interpretations and answers to the quest of determinism / free will. The openness of your conversation reflects the openness of the question, although both persons in your essay (ha, ha) do believe to have the ultimate answer. But wait a minute, do they really believe, or are they forced to blieve due to determinism… (ha, ha). Believing to win the contest prize may be determined, while the actual result will not confirm it… (ha, ha)… due to determinism…. so you had a true belief about determinism but a false belief about its future results. Or maybe you belief in free will and are indeed right about it, but you’ve had a false belief in what it can achieve (namely winning the contest’s prize, ha, ha)!
Your short essay is a perfect mirror of the unsolved questions and a projection field to possible answers. I like it because it’s funny and it counteracts those views which pretend to know for sure what the answer is. Surely, my own answer is also only based on beliefs, but i think the main point, as always with fundamental questions, is how one rates certain probabilities for the truth of a certain answer. This i think depends on certain experiences one made during one’s life, it also depends on proper logical thinking and most of all on the experience that there are no anomalies in nature observed, for example nothing does pop up suddenly from ‘nothing’ (what a word-game!). This is, i think, in contrast to the view that existence is just a brute fact which has its origins in absolutely ‘nothing’ (not even in a mathematically empty set). Since nothing has ever popped up out of nothing (what a word-game!), i feel myself forced to conclude that nature has indeed a highly lawful behaviour (because if it had been possible for something to suddenly pop up out of nothing, these events should have been captured by some creation myths delivered to us from the past [well, but only if these creation myths have not suddenly popped out of reality into nothing again…!... and therefore aren’t available to us anymore.].
I rated your essay with the highest score and thank you very much for this enjoyable piece of paper!
Best wishes,
Stefan Weckbach
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 01:00 GMT
Hi Stefan,
According to some of my relatives I should have been named Stefan, but my mother deviated from family custom and named me Donald. Perhaps this is why you can duplicate me so well :)
In my essay Don (even though he believes in choice) and Lexi (even though she believes in determinism), both act and speak using the concepts of choice AND deterministic logic, all the while exposing their respective beliefs.
I do believe that nature has very lawful behavior... and it is...how should I say...gloriously incomplete. I hope you find the ride as much fun as I do.
Thanks for your support,
Don Limuti
Anonymous wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 13:17 GMT
Dear Don,
I highly estimate your desire for determinism. Perhaps my
essay will complement your understanding of the determinism and causes of quantum processes. Your essay allowed to consider us like-minded.
Kind regards,
Vladimir
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 01:20 GMT
Hi Vladimir F.,
I am a fervent believer in determinism and a fanatic proponent of free choice. A good game requires skillful use of both.
I too am interested in causes, classical and quantum. I am in particular interested in gravity. Check out my website www.digitalwavetheory.com
Thanks for your essay,
Don Limtui
Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 17:29 GMT
Hi Don,
In response to what you said about Math as a 'ring of power' on my essay page, I wrote the following.
Math is much abused by those who try to make it bend to their will. A good example of Math forged into a ring of power would be the Gaussian Copula Function, which was the basis for financial derivatives, and was itself based on formulas used in risk and failure analysis. But it was used fictitiously (as though predictable risk equals zero risk), and its broad mis-usage was one of the contributing factors of the market crash in 2008. Mandelbrot had warned us before then, but the finance gurus did not listen.
So pure Math had the answers, but nobody wanted to hear.
What I didn't say on my essay page is how this also exactly fits the tale from Revelations of the 'great whore of Babylon.' Babylon is often used as a symbol in the Bible for deception or lying. That is; 'Babylon' is falsehood, untruth, cheating, or fabrication. So no wonder we will hear a great wailing from the money changers when the deception is exposed - that Math was used as a tool, like a 'ring of power,' to subjugate and control others.
All the Best,
Jonathan
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Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 17:34 GMT
Please note..
The smooth curves of the Gaussian function lead us to copulation, or so the story goes (of the Gaussian Copula function). You can't make this stuff up. And David X. Li, who created the function, also tried to warn us. But human greed won out, and the deception worked like a charm. The real world is much more strange than any fantasy.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 18:26 GMT
The thing is..
The real deal actually exists, but isn't used much. I've commented how transactions in financial markets are much like interactions in quantum mechanics, and Hagen Kleinert even wrote a whole chapter in his book on Path Integrals devoted to their usage in Finance Math. So in general; the Math guys are the ones advocating to do things the right way, and recommend a more sophisticated approach, while the Finance community wants to hire people with minimal training and more narrow focus (who will do what they are told) rather than hiring Math literate folks who could improve the system substantially.
All the Best,
Jonathan
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 01:59 GMT
Hi Jonathan,
Those that believe in free choice come in two varieties 1. Those that believe that others have free choice 2. Those that believe that others have no free choice.
This creates a potential ethics problem: To what extent is it OK to go after the money.
Is it OK to take advantage of others..after all they are just machines.
Without a concept of ethics there is a tendency for master slave relationships to arise, where the master is the one with free choice and the slaves are the machines.
Who has the mathematical ring of power, Frodo or Gollum?
Frodo Lives!
Don Limuti
Peter Jackson wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 18:28 GMT
Don,
I think you hit the dilemmas head on. There may be little of value to say that you didn't write or infer.
Do you think we should perhaps consider ourselves in terms of an experiment on determinism; Whether there's an intelligent experimenter or not;.. "If these particles and elements are mixed together in this way, what will happen?"
If that's purely 'deterministic' then the outcome would need to have been known beforehand. Yet we ARE a mixture of 'stuff', and when we make choices they're limited as they're from a limited range of possibilities... Hmmm.
So the solution is really perhaps semantic. Our language and its definitions are inadequate to describe nature. Do we need a word for 'determining' a limited
range of possible outcomes, yet with free will within certain limits?
Nicely thought out and written, and fun!.
Best
Peter
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 02:08 GMT
Hi Peter,
Super to be in another FOXi.org contest with you.
Yes, life is a mixture of freewill and determinism that is evolving. I do not know where it is going.... But my feeling about life is that somehow we were designed to enjoy the ride (and we are free to complain about it).
All the best,
Don Limuti
Christian Corda wrote on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 13:17 GMT
Hi Don,
It is nice to see you here in FQXi again. Despite it is very short, you realized a nice, intriguing and very original contribution. It has been a very pleasant reading for me, so, I am going to give you the highest score.
Good luck in the Contest, I hope that you will have a chance to read
our Essay.
Cheers, Ch.
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 21:29 GMT
Hi Christian,
Thanks for visiting. And I appreciate your kind words.
Attention anybody reading this post go visit Christian Corda's blog:
1. Read his essay.
2. Vote it up.
Don Limuti
Jeffrey Michael Schmitz wrote on Mar. 18, 2017 @ 02:42 GMT
Don,
That was a fun short exercise that did what was designed to do. You made a point by showing, not telling (yes, I did once take a writing class) in a clear, interesting and unique way.
Best of luck,
Jeff
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 18, 2017 @ 03:46 GMT
Hi Jeff,
I Appreciate your gracious review. This essay contest focuses on a very emotional issue... particularly for scientists, engineers and techies in general. And I also find that I get caught up in the issue. I may need to apologize to Max T. and a few others after the contest for my rudness.
Thank you very much for you support,
Don Limuti
Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Mar. 19, 2017 @ 01:19 GMT
Hi Don - nicely encapsulated and convincing response to the essay question!
Thank you for your message on my essay page - I responded as follows:
Hi Don,glad you liked the paper. Way to go about gravity being a density of.. something! In my
United Dipole Field paper of 1993 I showed how the electric field of a dipole behaves like a gradient-index gravity field. In
Beautiful Universe Model I generalized the concept to the Universe as a whole and added the concept of twisting spin fields to create gravitational attraction. I see from your website that you have attacked the gravity concept more analytically, but isn't using the term graviton confusing because you see it differently than the Standard Model particle? I look forward to reading your paper requested from Research-Gate.
Best wishes, and good luck to us all.
Vladimir
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 19, 2017 @ 18:36 GMT
Hi Vladimir, (I also put this post on your page)
I downloaded your papers. The United Dipole 1093 looks very interesting to me at a scan. I will read in detail in a bit. We have similar concepts cloaked in different words. I too believe the space between stars looks a dielectric material (I would call it a prism with a gradient index of refraction). And my hijacked graviton looks very much like a dipole antenna!
Yes, I hijacked the graviton from the standard model and gave it some new clothes..... The standard model was not putting it good use anyway :)
I consider a single graviton to be a photon with a single hop (wavelength) that hops back and forth between chunks of mass (Planck masses). I call it a photon because it obeys the Planck Einstein equation, but it is not really a photon because of its spin (it hops back and forth). The big deal is that this action gives it a mass (like photons trapped between mirrors).
I considered all this playing around kinda nuts, but I gave my new "hijacked" graviton a run at calculating the precession of Mercury....it worked! How can I say...the planet Vulcan lives!
I believe this may be a small "crack in the cosmic egg" that can lead to useful science and technology. I also believe that this result is not a contradiction GR, but I cannot prove this. So, I am calling on FQXi.org cosmologists, to take a look at this and see if gravity can be made understandable.
And your work Vladimir, was pioneering in this area.
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Ines Samengo wrote on Mar. 22, 2017 @ 01:25 GMT
Hey, this essay was fun! Short and written as a dialogue, what a pleasant surprise! Now that I think of it, I wish someone had posted a comic...
I am not sure of whether I follow your connection between free will and emotion. Do you mean free will is an emotion, among many others? Do you mean that free will derives from emotion? Or the other way round? As I see it, both the sensation of free will and emotion are emergent properties of some macroscopic systems. But are they causally connected? I get a bit lost here. For me, free will, and the subjective sensations, are more difficult than purposeness, that's why I focused on the latter...
I hope you win the contest.
ines.
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Don Limuti replied on Mar. 22, 2017 @ 22:37 GMT
Hi Ines,
1. Thanks for you review....much appreciated.
2. You say "I myself argue that there are no goals per se, but that we choose to see them. Not exactly because their existence makes us happier, but rather, because their detection allows us to make predictions, and thereby, to be more fit to pass on our genes."
Yea, Darwin and Dawkins have highly regarded points about how genes foster evolution and are selfish respectively. I will not argue with Darwin, however, Dawkins is wrong. Genes are both competitive and cooperative (see Yaneer Bar yam's work on complexity).
Instead of using the words goals I will substitute "choice" and rephrase your sentence: ""I (Don L) argue that there are no goals per se, but that we (humans but perhaps not all life) choose to see them. These choices are made because they satisfy us emotionally, (in healthy individuals they tend toward happiness), and thereby, to be more fit to pass on our genes."
About Choice and Emotions: I posted on one of mad max's minion's blogs "your emperor is totally nude (in Italian)". This minion was a determinist but his emotion (aka greed) caused him to delete my post (followed by my score plummeting). Was his choice determined by mathematics? This minion was much less fit to pass on their genes than someone like yourself.
In spite of my stated intention, ha ha. I hope you win this contest.
Don Limuti
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Author Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 24, 2017 @ 15:21 GMT
Hi Everyone in this contest & the people at FQXi.org,
As this contest is approaching the end I wanted to thank everyone for making it possible. I appreciate the opportunity to investigate, agree and disagree with the theories and ideas presented in the many essays. I have been particularly critical of the mathematical universe hypothesis and Max Tegmark for creating and promoting it. There is no doubt that I could be wrong in this criticism of a new theory that is creative and original. And FQXi is to commended for exposing it to public scrutiny. This extra bit of conflict has made this essay contest the best one yet (IMHO).
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Alfredo Gouveia Oliveira wrote on Mar. 26, 2017 @ 02:24 GMT
Dear Don Limuti
You found an original way to draw the attention to the issue of determinism, surpassing the size limitation of the essays!! It is clever, not boring, bold, risky, and it works! Congratulations!
About determinism, what seems to result from observations is that at a sufficient large scale, the evolution of systems is deterministic. Chaotic, random, etc, behaviors at small scale always disappear at a sufficient large scale. This is a very convenient approach because it preserves our free will: at our scale, as at the scale of a molecule of the atmosphere, the behavior can be anything, while the evolution of human society, as the one of the atmosphere, at enough long times-scale, is deterministic. However, I have more information that shows to me that things are not simple, far from that. A careful reading of my essay will show you that necessarily I know much more that I am saying there. And what I say in the essay is already quite ahead of present knowledge, and many will thing that it is just speculation. What I can say to you from what I know is that the answer to the question of the determinism is not “yes”, or “no”, or “depend on the scale”.
You asked my opinion on the role of global warming. In the paper in vixra that I mention in the essay, you can see in detail the past and future of Earth’s climate and where the global warming stands. I can also say to you much more by email, if you are interested.
I saw your DWT; I found it rather interesting; I will dedicate some time to analyze it.
I voted your essay in accordance with what I say in the first paragraph of this comment.
Thank you for having “knocked on my door”!
Alfredo Gouveia Oliveira
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Natesh Ganesh wrote on Mar. 26, 2017 @ 19:51 GMT
Hi Don,
I think I would have enjoyed a much longer conversation between you and Lexi. The presentation format was very attractive and fun for me. I might try it for a future essay. I will have to side with Lexi on this one, in the sense that I do think free will and decision making is deterministic, that does not mean we have to do the same thing under the same conditions every single time. There is a variability there without having to invoke the other extreme of total randomness.
If you have the time, kindly take a look at my essay. I present (sufficient) physical conditions under which goal oriented agency could rise in systems.
Cheers
Natesh
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 26, 2017 @ 23:36 GMT
Hi Natesh,
In my essay I hoped to get across how convoluted the language of determinism and freewill is. Don and Lexi each took a side. However, each also used Unconsciously the other viewpoint during the conversation.
Yes we have differing viewpoints about determinism and freewill. I will agree that the physical is definitely a part of us. And figuring it out is a lot of fun and sometimes an addiction. I personally like to dabble in gravity. Check out my webpage www.digitalwavetheory.com
In five previous contests, two of them were dialogs. The dialogs were much more fun to create.
I liked your essay because it "really" forced me to think.
Don Limuti
Patrick Tonin wrote on Mar. 29, 2017 @ 08:42 GMT
Hi Don,
Thank you for your comment on my page.
You have written a nice little conversation but in the end I am not sure what your conclusion is.
And why did you write Dad and not Don towards the end, was that intentional ? Who made that choice ??
Cheers,
Patrick
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 29, 2017 @ 12:43 GMT
Hi Patrick,
My abstract was a quote from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Basically it said that we have made no progress in the free will-determinism debate. I tried to make my dialog reflect that inconclusiveness. I guess I succeeded :)
About the Dad at the end. It was just a typo. Initially the dialog was between Dad and Lexi. Then I wanted to make it between Don and Lexi, but I failed to see the last Dad. There is a certain amount of noise in any information system.
Thanks for visiting,
Don Limuti
*****Note to anyone seeing this post: Check out the Patrick Tonin essay. It is a short piece of logic that will make you grin.*****
sridattadev kancharla wrote on Mar. 30, 2017 @ 13:24 GMT
Dear Don,
Thank you for virtual support through the cyber space on the article there are no goals as such its all play, and i totally enjoyed your little conversation with Lexi, your virtual self i suppose :)
PS : We are relatively real but absolutely virtual.
Love,
i.
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sherman loran jenkins wrote on Mar. 30, 2017 @ 15:34 GMT
Don
I enjoyed your approach and conversation. My essay addresses my personal view of reality and goals by telling real life occurrences that helped to form and describe those views. You may appreciate a brief account of my own test of free will versus determinism--search to “owl” or “kitty”--
Sherman
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 30, 2017 @ 21:03 GMT
Hi Sherman,
Nice dialog of life.... causes, effects, direction, choices, puzzles, nature, beauty, danger, love.....Life even brings us mathematics which we use as a tool to examine life.
And I was surprised to see another dialog, we are now a team :)
Thanks for your science and art,
Don Limuti
Member Marc Séguin wrote on Mar. 31, 2017 @ 02:55 GMT
Dear Don,
That was a quick, fun essay! Wanting more, I clicked on the link at the end, read the section you pointed to and, following the footnotes, discovered Jenann Isamel's fascinating book, "How physics makes us free". Beyond reading the submitted essays, that's one of the most rewarding aspects of this contest: following the references at the end of the essays to discover even more weird/great/unbelievable/twisted/amazing ideas.
Thank you, and good luck in the contest. And do write a longer dialog next time!
Marc
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 31, 2017 @ 17:52 GMT
Hi Marc,
I am glad my essay did not take up all of your bandwidth :)
Thanks for the heads up on: Jenann Isamel's book, "How physics makes us free"
Your post made my day and more!
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote on Mar. 31, 2017 @ 17:50 GMT
allo don,
thank you for making me laugh. i gave you an 8 because your paper reminded me of a student who entered an Oxbridge Exam, with this horribly complicated and contrived question, where he thought about it, sat there for an hour, and wrote "Yes". then he sat there for another hour, crossed it out and wrote, "No". towards the end of the exam he crossed *that* out and wrote, "Maybe".
He got an A for his essay and was accepted to Oxford :)
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Author Don Limuti replied on Mar. 31, 2017 @ 18:40 GMT
Luke,
My essay was short....but not as short as [Yes---No---Maybe].
This was a tough and ambiguous question, and I remember when I sat down and thought about what I was going to write, the first thought to occur was "This is nuts!"
Thanks for your vote of approval,
Don Limuti
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Steven Andresen wrote on Apr. 4, 2017 @ 02:53 GMT
Don
A short and delightful essay.
We observe billiard balls interacting, sharing kinetic energy back and forth to one another before slowing for table and air frictions. We coin the concept of determinism.
We learn about particle physics interactions, and note that it is in many ways comparable to the billiards.
We observe that life is made up of these objects...
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Don
A short and delightful essay.
We observe billiard balls interacting, sharing kinetic energy back and forth to one another before slowing for table and air frictions. We coin the concept of determinism.
We learn about particle physics interactions, and note that it is in many ways comparable to the billiards.
We observe that life is made up of these objects comparable somewhat to billiards and wonder if because we are made up of deterministic parts, whether determinism equals our whole?
This question is not so difficult in my mind. Billiard ball interactions are representative of a simple system, their shared causes and effects have the immediacy of the moment of contact.
Life on the other hand is not a simple system, and it has attributes which the billiards do not. Such as being freed from the limits of reacting only with immediacy, by memory which allow past experience to be drawn on and influence now or future. Also freed from immediacy by the capacity to imagine possible futures and make choices that might best lead toward perceived needs. Something special happens when a system breaks free from the limit of immediacy of interaction.
When a biological system can enter an environment and observe and rationalize many aspects of it, then make many abstract considerations based on experience of past and anticipations of future. Then from all this computed information formulate a plan that might allow for several possible predicted contingencies. Then you have a system that has become very distantly removed from the example of simple billiard interactions.
But I guess nature might have just created a mindless unconscious computer type program and been done with it. And to a large extent that is precisely what nature has done, as exampled by the human sub-conscious. But somehow, and for some reason nature seated a conscious observer type system in a seat in front of the larger computing capacity of the sub conscience. And so here we are peering through our eyes as though they are windows on the world, and talking to ourselves and also listening to ourselves within the confines of our own heads, in conscious thought.
So anyway, I feel that as soon as biology began its escape of the immediacy of interactions, it had begun migrating an ever expounding sliding scale that ends with infinity, towards choices and capacity for free will. Our experience exists somewhere along this scale, but probably not close to infinity, but also very far from being merely mindless billiard balls. So the answer is, free will does exist and is definable in terms of a sliding scale.
If you recall, you gave my essay a very generous rating and review. Thank you kindly. I have had a look at the links you provided me to your work, and I do have some questions in mind for you. I did note your prescription for dark energy acting as gravitons. Very interesting indeed. I too believe dark energy observations are closely related to considerations of gravity. We must talk about this once the contest is concluded, if you will please?
Great essay and I rate you highly
Steven Andresen
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Author Don Limuti replied on Apr. 4, 2017 @ 05:16 GMT
Hi Steven,
Appreciate your visiting my essay and your generous vote. And I am disappointed that your essay is not getting more traction. It is one of the best essays.
Yes, let's discuss gravity. My website has my e-mail in the about the author section. It is don.limuti@gmail.com
I should not have been able to make the calculation I made....something unexpected is going on. It would be really cool to see if we can create either a more complete theory or come up with some experiments that can be tried.
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Irvon Eugene Clear wrote on Apr. 4, 2017 @ 18:29 GMT
Don,
I enjoyed reading your essay. It is the stuff of art. Just a smile, a wink and a soft nudge of thought. I too am enamored with the stage. Here is one of mine:
(On stage there are two chairs for two students. A professor is standing in front of the chairs. At the beginning the students are in their chairs and a lecture is in progress. Both students have an open book and they are...
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Don,
I enjoyed reading your essay. It is the stuff of art. Just a smile, a wink and a soft nudge of thought. I too am enamored with the stage. Here is one of mine:
(On stage there are two chairs for two students. A professor is standing in front of the chairs. At the beginning the students are in their chairs and a lecture is in progress. Both students have an open book and they are both looking at the same page.)
Professor
Yada…yada, yana, yada…da, da. Wa…wa…yayaya…yadanip…yadanip…la la…da!
First Student
Da, da, da…da.
Second Student
Yada, yada…da…yada.
(Both students turn a page in unison.)
First Student
Yaya, yaya?
Professor
Yana, yana, nip…nip, wanip, wanip…da!
(Both students close their books in unison.)
Professor (cont’d)
Now that we have finished the assigned chapter we’re going to explore something outside of the textbook. For the next few minutes we’re going on an intuitive journey. We’re going to find the most important number in this universe.
First Student
How are we going to do that?
Professor
I’m going to ask you the questions and you are going to provide the answers.
Second Student
Are we going to change positions then? Are we going to be the professor and you the student?
Professor
No…as usual…you were not listening. I said that I will ask the questions and you will answer them.
First Student
That’s not fair. This is just like a test…only; we haven’t gone over the material.
Second Student
Is this actually a test? There was nothing in the syllabus about a test on this subject.
Professor
This is going to be a journey of discovery…so I’m sure that neither one of you knows the answer yet.
First Student
Do you know the answer?
Professor
I’ve already traveled this path. But we’re having a problem taking that first step together aren’t we?
First Student
Is that the first question?
Professor
We will begin when you are both sitting quietly; making direct eye contact with me and…put your pens down…this is an oral exercise.
(Pause)
Good…now the first question is…what is the most important number in the universe?
Second Student
I knew you were going to ask that question first.
Professor
Well…I’m waiting for an answer.
First Student
The most important number would have to be the smallest possible number.
Professor
Why the smallest number?
First Student
Because that’s the number that would measure the elemental basic particle…the smallest thing that is the building block for everything that exists in our universe.
Professor
So the smallest number would also be the largest possible number when you sum their total.
Second Student
I don’t understand that.
Professor
If the smallest number is the particle that builds everything that exists then it must also be the largest number when you count all of the particles that exist.
First Student
So it would be the most important number. It would be both the smallest and largest number in the universe.
Professor
Well maybe…but what other number could possibly be the most important?
Second Student
The number one. If you have one of something you have identified existence itself. The number one represents actual existence within the universe.
Professor
Yes, you could actually list everything that exists and they would be the ones in the universe. You could observe all of the ones in your environment and you could scientifically create the answer to the question…how does it exist? You can also increase its chances for survival within its observed changing environment. You can do all of this by studying the list of ones in the universe.
Second Student
That’s really important. Survival is an absolute…if we don’t exist we can’t even ask a question.
Professor
Yes…survival is necessary but we’re only answering the question of how does something exist when we’re studying the list of ones. There’s another question that preoccupies the human intellect. Why does something exist? We can’t answer that question by studying the list of ones. Studying things that already exist will not answer the question of why they exist. But still, there have been many answers to the question of why that are based on observations of the list of ones. None of these answers have unified the human experience. They are all divisive.
First Student
We have limitations. There is a point in human understanding when we have to attach ourselves to terms of faith and authority.
Professor
That’s because we still haven’t discovered the most important number in the universe.
Second Student
You’re right. We don’t know the answer. What is the most important number in the universe?
Professor
There’s another list of objects. In fact this list once included the list of ones.
First Student
So it is a changing list.
Professor
Yes…and it is a much larger list than the list of ones. The list of ones comes from this list.
First Student
So what does that list identify? Why is an object on that list?
Professor
Everything that exists must first come from this list.
Second Student
So if the universe was created…this is the list before the creation event?
Professor
Yes, this is the list of all objects, forces and relationships that could exist but do not exist.
First Student
I don’t think I understand this. What is a list of objects that could exist but do not exist?
Professor
Take your current environment. Observe the objects in it then go back a thousand years and imagine a typical environment there. Are there objects in your current environment that didn’t exist back then? And are there objects that existed back then that do not exist in your current environment?
First Student
Okay…so the list of objects that could exist but do not exist is actually the master list of all possible objects.
Professor
Yes and like the list of ones it has a number that identifies its existence on that list.
Second Student
And that’s the most important number in the universe?
Professor
Yes…what number identifies the possibility of existence but not actual existence?
First Student
Well if I start out counting some object knowing that there could be some of them in the environment that I’m observing…and I don’t find any of them…then my count is zero. So zero identifies the objects on that list.
Second Student
Zero is the most important number in the universe?
Professor
The list of zeros is the largest list. The list of zeros is the master list. It measures all of the possibility and potential within the list of ones and it has a physical existence within the environment of the list of ones.
First Student
There is something within our environment that represents…measures…all of the potential and possibility within our universe?
Professor
Yes, the dimension of space is the measure of all potential and possibility within our universe. Whether or not all possible consequences and results occur... the space is there to allow them to occur.
Second Student
But what good is a list of zeros?
Professor
It is the transition from the list of zeros to the list of ones where meaning is first attached to existence. The reason why an object exists is the reason why an object transitions from a zero to a one.
First Student
We create objects that didn’t exist in the past. We build things that didn’t exist in the past and we’re ones creating other ones.
Professor
True…but you are taking ones and transforming them from one object to another object. You are not transitioning from a zero to a one.
Second Student
Still…what good is a list of zeros? We are already ones and everything we work with is already a one.
Professor
Yes the point is that before there was a list of ones there was a list of zeros. There had to be a transition from the list of zeros to the first list of ones. That’s where meaning was first attached to the existence of a one.
Second Student
What created the list of zeros?
Professor
Now we are focusing on the correct list. The question of why do ones exist will be answered by observing the list of zeros not the list of ones.
First Student
How are we going to do that?
Professor
If you want to answer the question of why do ones exist…you will have to find a way to explore the list of zeros.
First Student
Are there different zeros?
Professor
Yes…
Second Student
The list of zeros was…if everything that exists transitions…evolves…from the list of zeros then the first act of creation was the creation of the list of zeros.
Professor
The list is only our model for understanding. The actual thing created was space. It will never be added to, modified or manipulated by anything other than God. The God thing that was created was space. From space everything that exists has evolved into a surviving reality.
First Student
But the creation of space does not answer why space was created.
Professor
God created space in order to create all possible objects, forces and relationships that are not a part of God. This is a nonspecific act of creation…everything possible was created.
First Student
Is this going to be on the test?
Professor
Not my test but your life itself needs the confidence of being able to understand that there is a step that will bring you closer to God…it is not a step forward…it is a step backward. In fact it is the distance between God and humanity that creates the potential for all of us to experience life as a self realizing individual.
First Student
How are we going to do that?
Professor
I have brought you both to a new frontier. How would you start exploring it?
Second Student
Is that a question or a challenge?
Professor
It will always be both.
(Bell rings signifying the end of the class. Both students get up to leave.)
First Student
Is this going to be on the test?
Professor
Have a good weekend.
Second Student
You too…
(Everyone leaves.)
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Author Don Limuti wrote on Apr. 4, 2017 @ 21:08 GMT
Irvon,
Thanks for your new play and your support.
Luke also sent me a play. A short one about a student pondering this essay question:
Yes!....one hour........No!.......one hour..........Maybe! A little short but to the point :)
Thanks for your plays.
Don Limuti
Lorraine Ford wrote on Apr. 4, 2017 @ 21:18 GMT
Hi Don,
Full marks for saying just about everything that needs to be said! Your essay neatly sums up the whole issue in an amusing way.
Regards Lorraine
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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Apr. 5, 2017 @ 07:20 GMT
Dear Don Limuti
I appreciate your essay. You spent a lot of effort to write it. If you believed in the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes, then your essay would be even better. There is not movable a geometric space, and is movable physical space. These are different concepts.
I inform all the participants that use the online translator, therefore, my essay is written badly. I participate in the contest to familiarize English-speaking scientists with New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the principle of identity of space and matter. Combining space and matter into a single essence, the New Cartesian Physic is able to integrate modern physics into a single theory. Let FQXi will be the starting point of this Association.
Don't let the New Cartesian Physic disappear! Do not ask for himself, but for Descartes.
New Cartesian Physic has great potential in understanding the world. To show potential in this essay I risked give "The way of the materialist explanation of the paranormal and the supernatural" - Is the name of my essay.
Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. After you give a post in my topic, I shall do the same in your theme
Sincerely,
Dizhechko Boris
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Author Don Limuti replied on Apr. 5, 2017 @ 12:23 GMT
Boris,
Thanks for visiting my site. If you did read my essay, I think you would know I did not take a long time to write it :)
I did find your essay very interesting, enough so, that I did some browsing on Cartesian philosophy. I was introduced to something I did not know existed. So, thank you for introducing me to a new world. I cannot say that I am a full fledged "new Cartesian" but I certainly use cartesian coordinates excessively.
Your essay was (as you acknowledge) a little difficult to read, but it was worth the struggle. And I learned something new, thus it gets a high rating from me.
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich replied on Apr. 5, 2017 @ 15:16 GMT
Dear Don Limuti!
I'm very, very easy to read with online translator your essay. I hope someday you write about such a New Cartesian Physic and always with pleasure.
Sincerely,
Dizhechko Boris
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Georgina Woodward wrote on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 00:38 GMT
Don, I enjoyed reading your essay. Short and to the point. Yet it does more than just highlight the freewill/ determinism problem. I think you show clearly that there is a difference between the goal (winning), the task planning (I will enter), the task execution (the essay written and submitted) and the outcome (yet to be, as I write this).
You demonstrate a goal that is realistic for one person eg. Don may be unrealistic for another eg. Dad. It is the task planning and execution in between that raises the probability that the imagined outcome is achieved.
Choosing to alter the probability of an outcome in the external reality is where will comes in to play. Yet the choices made can also be affected by things like neurotransmitter levels/ balance which can be reduced to chemistry and physics, or seen as the product of lifestyle and environment and social relationships. The freewill problem may come from trying to isolate goal production (will) from micro and macro environment. Yes, we can have will, yet it can never be entirely free.
I think your contribution to the contest is thought provoking. I’m glad you chose to write and enter it.
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Peter Jackson wrote on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 13:14 GMT
Don,
Thanks for your response above. I do think we often need careful distinction between 'causal' and 'deterministic' from reading many other essays. Yours handles it quite well.
I haven't seen you comment on mine and hope If you haven't yet read it you get to do so, comment and score it before the cut off.
Best of luck in the run in.
Peter
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Author Don Limuti replied on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 13:42 GMT
Hi Peter,
It turns out that I have already voted for your essay, but failed to comment on your blog. I tried to vote again ....rats it locked me out! This is easily one of the best essays. And is the most comprehensive, it covers the universe!
Thanks,
Don Limuti
Jonathan Khanlian wrote on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 22:59 GMT
Hi Don,
You promised a short essay, and you delivered!! No small typed single spaced nonsense, no messy equations, no predictive power… beautiful;) 10!! It reminded me a Platonic dialogue.
Based on your essay, you are a prime candidate for liking my movie “Digital Physics”. Please check it out on iTunes, Vimeo, or Amazon Prime. In some sense, you have no choice... but this does not imply you’ll watch it... but please, please do!!
Oh well. Que Sera, Sera...
Jon
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Author Don Limuti replied on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 23:15 GMT
Jon,
Thanks for your support! It is on my queue to watch "Digital Physics" ....You do know my website is www.digitalwavetheory.com....This could be interesting!
One of your key words is augmentation.....Perchance are you acquainted with Doug Engelbart?
Don Limuti
Jonathan Khanlian replied on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 00:02 GMT
Starting to read your website now, and I just found "The Mother of all Demos" on youtube! Hidden gems!! I will respond more after I digest some of this stuff.
Thanks again, Don!
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Author Don Limuti replied on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 04:14 GMT
Jon,
What a treat: The Mother of all Demos youtube was awesome! A better title would be The Demo that Started it All.
Even more awesome was the eulogy given by Ted Nelson (inventor of hypertext):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMjPqr1s-cg
I worked for Doug for a year or two after that 1968 Demo ......He was the real deal!
Doug at SRI was loggerheads with John Mccarthy at Stanford, Augmentation vs. AI .... No contest in my humble opinion. Anytime I hear the term AI bantered around, I know it is BS, augmentation is king!
I will post this on your Blog also.
Thanks very much,
Don Limuti
PS: The YouTube of the cat breathing fire was very good. I was able to find the Trailer for Digital Physics but could not find the movie. Could you send the URL.
alexis l framness wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 05:26 GMT
Don,
I love this essay. Good job with your context and your ability to keep it short with meaning.
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Author Don Limuti wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 12:03 GMT
Lexi,
You are beautiful!
Don L.
Aron Barco wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 21:29 GMT
Yafet: Dear Don, I am waiting anxiously the next Fxqi essay contest so I can see this equation where it is shown by mathematical formulas the nature of choice, unfortunately at the same time my deterministic nature seems to leave me no other choice but to wait patiently.
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Steven Andresen wrote on Apr. 8, 2017 @ 12:35 GMT
Don
Just a quick message to say congrats. I'm guessing you're quite enjoying the result, and deservedly so. Its good to see you on this level of the board.
Steve
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Steven Andresen replied on Apr. 20, 2017 @ 02:47 GMT
Hi Don
I hope you can forgive me for the late reply. I have been distracted from forum time lately. Restoring a sail boat for one thing. The next distraction I have lined up is sailing it. Its in the water now!
I have been thinking about the relationship you describe, which draws on a guess that gravitons share the same energy values as photons. That you claim this uncovers a meaningful correlation, is most interesting to me. I havent read your wider body of work, although I would like to understand it better. Its just a time thing. So before I have read it, I hope you dont mind me just putting forward a couple of ideas that draw from my ideas.
The reason my concept likes that you have identified a correlation between gravity (gravitons) and photons is as follows. Photons (Gluons) from which mass emerges from in the nucleus, might be considered as a possible motivator for the driver of gravitational acceleration.
Photons (light) can propel through the void of space right! Gluons are photons as well, perhaps capable of propulsion. Mass accelerated within a gravitational field by the same mechanism that light uses to travel at C.
Can you see how this idea is implicated with your correlation? You have guessed that gravitons have the same values as photons and you achieved a meaningful result. This could be because gravitational acceleration is enacted by photons. Simple. It could be that your mathematical approach is genuinely meaningful because it services this possibility.
This is a very simple idea, and I hope you will spend a little time in consideration of. I am capable of giving countless further reasons in evidence of this notion, but I will leave it there for now.
Steven Andresen
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