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October 21, 2018

CATEGORY: The Nature of Time Essay Contest (2008) [back]
TOPIC: Time, Consciousness, and the Subjective Universe by Daegene Song [refresh]
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Daegene Song wrote on Sep. 10, 2008 @ 09:41 GMT
Essay Abstract

By identifying observables in quantum theory as a reference frame for the observer, the relation between time, consciousness, and the structure of our universe is constructed. Because of the peculiar nature of consciousness, namely self-reflexive property, quantum theory fails to provide a consistent description of it due to the separation between the observer and the observed. In order to remove this inconsistency, I will argue that it is necessary to adopt a subjective model of our universe, i.e. it is not the universe that exists, rather; it is the experience of observing the universe that exists. I will then show that the Heisenberg picture with time traveling in reverse offers an accurate description of the proposed subjective universe.

Author Bio

Daegene Song obtained his A.B. and Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley and Oxford University, respectively. Currently, he is a research fellow at the Korea Institute for Advanced Study in Seoul. His research interest is quantum computation.


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paul valletta wrote on Sep. 30, 2008 @ 10:16 GMT
This is really interesting, but how doyou define a

one-dimensional line, in conjunction with a 3-Dimensional observer?..a 3-D anything cannot be emmbedded on to a 1-Dimenstional "anything" or more specific a 1-D line? There is a dimensiuonal gap between a 1-D anything and a 3-D anything, it is a 2-D area. This happens to exist at the finite boundary of all 3-D objects, a three dimensional observer would only be able to detect 2-D field signals?

You can think of a perfect vacuum as a 1-D location, anything enetering this vacuum would then transmit field energies, and this can support 3-D matter only externally? the Universe cannot and is most definatly not a "brain", with our brains contained within. Conscious brains are not being created by an higher conscious "universeal" brain?...the factor of dimensionality provides limits, if what you interestingly state (the overall picture that is), then a Proton could well exist within an Electron, form the protons perspective it only regesters the existence of the 2-d electron field, which happens, from a further out observers point of observation, to totally surround the proton?

There is dimensional time constraints,I am afraid you have failed to incrporate, consciously I can observe the dimensionality of where I exist, this is basic relativity, but nature in no way allows me to access to certain higher or lower dimensions.

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paul valletta wrote on Sep. 30, 2008 @ 10:26 GMT
What I should include is that what interaction takes place from the Electron inwards, to the single Proton, is quite different from what interjection occurs between Electrons and otwardly collective Protons, or Human observers!..there are different results, and time reveals itself in quite distinct processes.

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Daegene Song wrote on Sep. 30, 2008 @ 16:15 GMT
Hi. Paul.

Thank you for having interests in my essay.

Let me try to clear out some of your confusions. I am not defining the observer as a three dimensional object, i.e., with head, two arms, and two legs etc. Instead, I am defining the observer in terms of the universe he or she is observing, i.e., as a reference frame in observing the universe. According to standard quantum theory, the observer can then be identified as an observable (the reference frame) for a given state vector (e.g. the wavefunction of the Universe which the observer is observing). So far, I am only following standard quantum theory. However, this will lead into a problem when we consider consciousness due to the separation between the observer and the observed. Therefore, the necessity of accepting the subjective model of our universe, which was called the ‘subjective universe’, is discussed in order to remove the problem of consciousness. That is, it is not the universe that exists, but only the observer (which does not refer to the observer’s physical body, but the experience of observing the universe) exists.

Hope you find these comments helpful.

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Narendra Nath wrote on Oct. 4, 2008 @ 12:37 GMT
Dear Dr. Song,

My i say that your essay text has provided me the spiritual strength as a physicist but with the experimental background in contrast to yours!i liked your description of ' Consciousness ' a difficult concept of non-physical nature to describe or evaluate! May i request you to look up my esssay posted as ' Mysteries of the Universe ' and also may see the added post where i attached a copy of the MSS ' Science Interface with Spirituality ' based on my personal experiences of conducting R & D in Physics. May be we find some commonality to strengthen our Asian bonds Warm regards..

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Narendra Nath wrote on Oct. 7, 2008 @ 17:31 GMT
Although i should wait for your response to my posting of Oct 4, i just thought of adding the following:

The whole reality can only be perceived when the cognizer, the coganized and the process of cognition all merge. Cognizer is just a discriminating observer!. This is more or less a quote from Patanjali, an ancient saint of India , who developed the original YOGA, a technique of meditation involving some specified bodily actions over 4 centuries back!

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Narendra Nath wrote on Nov. 6, 2008 @ 09:09 GMT
Dear Dr. Song,

Sorry to bring to your notice the silence from your side towards the posts filed back on 4 & 7 October. Wonder if there is something we may have done that was foolish enough to deserve any response!

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Cristi Stoica wrote on Nov. 30, 2008 @ 07:23 GMT
Dear Dr. Song,

Interesting perspective about self-consciousness and the role of observer in Quantum Mechanics.

Congratulations!

Cristi Stoica

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/322

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NN wrote on Nov. 30, 2008 @ 11:42 GMT
Dear Dr. Song,

Postings have waited for your response, specially as your essay has many interesting and novel features! But we could not have that benefit thus far!

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