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August 11, 2022

CATEGORY: Trick or Truth Essay Contest (2015) [back]
TOPIC: Analogical Engine Redux: Mathematics and Physics by Than Tin [refresh]
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Author Than Tin wrote on Mar. 11, 2015 @ 13:10 GMT
Essay Abstract

I do not notice the word “paradox” in Wigner’s essay, but central theme of the essay has paradox written all over it. To see, try substituting the word “unreasonable” with the word “random”, and then the word “effectiveness” with the word “nonrandom,” and voila we shall have a new paradox: random-nonrandom. I am going to discuss Wigner’s paradox within the framework of the thesis that Nature is “Analogical.”

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Than Tin is a graduate of science and technology and a student of all things cognitive.

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Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Mar. 13, 2015 @ 19:15 GMT
Dear Than Tin,

Yours is a very powerful essay, beginning with your examples illustrating the importance of duals, followed by instances of use of these duals in analogy. It certainly captures the essence of the way we think, which you summarize as figure/background.

You analyze energy costs of the separation process and seem to conclude that zero energy would make the world chaotic and magical. On the other hand, some feel (as I do) that the 'Big Bang' was a zero cost event with the kinetic (positive) energy of the out-flowing substance exactly equal to the (negative) gravitational binding energy of the whole. You discuss the balance Nature must make. There is one problem with viewing Planck's constant as minimum energy. It is not energy, but action, which is (energy) x (time). That is a very big difference, and if you spend time thinking about it you may find it is even better at balancing the "freedom versus determinism" and taming the chaos. In other words I think it supports your argument.

You note the different formulations and interpretations of quantum theory, specifically concerning its wave-particle nature and entanglement. I have addressed the wave-particle nature in an earlier FQXi essay, and attempt to shed light on entanglement in my current essay, which I hope you will read and comment upon.

I very much applaud your approach to grasping the whole.

Best wishes,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Joe Fisher wrote on Mar. 23, 2015 @ 16:08 GMT
Dear Mr. Tin,

I mean no disrespect to you or your essay. I disagree with your comment that nobody has access to the correct assessment of reality for the following real reason:

Do let me know what you think about this: This is my single unified theorem of how the real Universe is occurring: Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and...

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Author Than Tin replied on Mar. 23, 2015 @ 23:54 GMT
Dear Joe:

Thanks for reading my essay.

I believe that we have no direct access to reality, only an indirect one through the creativity of our minds.

We build models of reality, and hope that our models behave in some fashion with a certain degree of verisimilitude to the reality of which we are apart.

Science and mysticism has been the main modes we use to approach reality since time immemorial, and so far we found science to be more reliable and productive.

I believe science to be an excellent tool for accessing reality.

Best regards,

Than Tin

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Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 24, 2015 @ 14:14 GMT
Dear Than Tin,

You can do nothing else but access reality. You can only see. hear, touch, taste and feel real things.

Joe Fisher

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Author Than Tin replied on Mar. 24, 2015 @ 18:42 GMT
Hi Joe:

We may be talking about “apples” and “oranges”: the reality you are talking about is a classical reality, which you can actually “see, hear, touch …”.

However, I am talking about a non-classical reality of quantum phenomena, which we can’t see, hear, touch … and therefore to access it, we are bound to use indirect means.

Anyway, I think we’re talking metaphysics that never seem to halt.

Than Tin

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Joe Fisher wrote on Apr. 9, 2015 @ 15:57 GMT
Dear Than,

I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

Joe Fisher

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Brian Notary wrote on Nov. 22, 2018 @ 02:30 GMT
while mathematics requires that its propositions conform to pure logic, empirical science requires in addition that its propositions conform to empirical data. 192.168.0.1 “As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”

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