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October 21, 2019

CATEGORY: Trick or Truth Essay Contest (2015) [back]
TOPIC: Therory versus Design of the World by Joel Stephen Rice [refresh]
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Author Joel Stephen Rice wrote on Mar. 11, 2015 @ 12:48 GMT
Essay Abstract

Some possibly interesting connections between Complex Octonion Algebra and Generations of particles, Mixing and Dark Matter, and thus Unreasonable Effectiveness.

Author Bio

Retired C programmer who spends way too much time reading physics.

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Yuri Danoyan wrote on Mar. 11, 2015 @ 18:12 GMT
Joel

Your view close to me

http://vixra.org/abs/1212.0030

Yuri

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adel sadeq wrote on Mar. 12, 2015 @ 13:19 GMT
Hi Joel,

You ask a lot of good questions and make good comments. Your idea is one way to look at it, the other is my system. I think you will like it, it is all based on simulation. I hope you still like programming, the system is ridiculously simple.

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Thanks and good luck

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Joe Fisher wrote on Mar. 22, 2015 @ 19:23 GMT
Dear Mr. Rice,

I thought that your essay was exceptionally well written and I do hope that it fares well in the competition.

Joe Fisher

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Jayakar Johnson Joseph wrote on Mar. 28, 2015 @ 02:19 GMT
Dear Joel,

Fields, expressional with Octonion algebra are finite and closed, whereas the universe is infinite. This implies that the micro-structures are in continuum with the macro-structures, in the universe. Thus I think your argument is, Micro-structures Vs Macro-structures that is QM vs Cosmology.

With best wishes, Jayakar

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Armin Nikkhah Shirazi wrote on Apr. 5, 2015 @ 20:35 GMT
Dear Joel,

I read your essay, and would like to give you the following constructive feedback:

You advocate the use of octonion algebra to describe fundamental aspects of physics, but for someone who is not already familiar with it, it would be very difficult to discern just from reading your essay what octonion algebra even is, let alone judge the merits of your advocacy....

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Author Joel Stephen Rice replied on Apr. 8, 2015 @ 15:00 GMT
Dear Armin - thanks for the thoughtful and constructive comments. There have been some essays at FQXI on Octonions, by Dray & Manogue, but I should have worked on a nice introduction (instead of procrastinating). Basically I just rely on Coxeter's "Integral Cayley Numbers" result that there are 480 multiplication tables for Octonions - and not much more. One item mentioned in the 1966 lecture was a possible connection to Godel's theorems re ordinary arithmetic. It is awful that I never kept a notebook, and have not seen a paper based on that lecture, and don't know who it was.

About Hamilton, it was Gibbs who simplified Quaternions into the Vector Algebra that everybody learns in high school. See Michael Crowe "A History of Vector Analysis".

About 'are we missing ...' was one of the questions in the Essay rules. I should have put quotes around it. I usually suspect that Octonions are not so much 'useful' as something like a 'definition of particles' - not 'dressed' particles, or even 'bare' particles - just some hand-waving about how it looks too much like relevant spin-color distinctions to be dismissed as accidental. That might entail a reconsideration of the foundations of physics, since the SM makes no reference to octonions ! One needs physics to make sense of this algebra, as well as math to make sense of what physics is saying.

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Joe Fisher wrote on Apr. 9, 2015 @ 15:52 GMT
Dear Joel,

I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

Joe Fisher

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Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on Apr. 15, 2015 @ 11:29 GMT
Dear Joel,

Your essay is very interesting and close to me in spirit and direction of the research.You put good questions and give ideas and direction of the search for a solution "structural problems":

"There are 'associations' all around us. Any atom is like an 'experimental situation' and one might wonder if the 'physical constants' are given, or does the algebra require neutral...

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Sujatha Jagannathan wrote on Apr. 19, 2015 @ 13:47 GMT
Your paper represents the tangible sources of matter of hindrances in the evolution of supernatural thoughts.

- Best Wishes

Miss. Sujatha Jagannathan

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