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Some mathematical theories in physics have claimed explanatory superiority even in the absence of new predictions. This was justified by the clarity of their postulates. In particular, mathematical derivations drive home the importance of the composition rule and the continuity assumption as two pillars of quantum theory. Our approach sits on these pillars but it combines new mathematics with a testable prediction. If the observer is defined by a limit on string complexity, information dynamics leads to an emergent continuous model in the critical regime. Restricting it to a family of binary codes describing `bipartite systems,' we find strong evidence of an upper bound on bipartite correlations equal to $2.82537$. This is measurably different from the Tsirelson bound. The Hilbert space formalism emerges from this mathematical investigation as but an effective description of a fundamental discrete theory in the critical regime.

Alexei Grinbaum is a researcher at CEA-LARSIM located in Saclay near Paris and member of FQXi. His main interest is in the philosophy of physics and the foundations of quantum mechanics.

Dear Alexei Grinbaum,

I very much enjoyed your essay on the mathematical basis and understanding of quantum mechanics. I would call attention to your statement to the effect that

"Mathematical reconstruction of quantum theory… must be complemented with a quantitative bound on the amount of correlations…"

based on what is claimed to be "a fundamental fact about...

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I very much enjoyed your essay on the mathematical basis and understanding of quantum mechanics. I would call attention to your statement to the effect that

"Mathematical reconstruction of quantum theory… must be complemented with a quantitative bound on the amount of correlations…"

based on what is claimed to be "a fundamental fact about...

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Dear Alexei,

Well done on your essay, although I find the dose of mathematical spices more than what my philosophy taste buds prefer.

Permit me to ask a philosophical question that may or may not be eventually relevant to the new mathematical model you are formulating:

**Can a Universe, along with its mathematical and/or physical objects perish?** If the universe can perish, what is the possible implication for physics that mathematical/ physical objects are not eternally existing things but have a finite duration of existence varying from object to object?

Regards,

Akinbo

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Well done on your essay, although I find the dose of mathematical spices more than what my philosophy taste buds prefer.

Permit me to ask a philosophical question that may or may not be eventually relevant to the new mathematical model you are formulating:

Regards,

Akinbo

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Dear Alexei,

I liked much your lucid account of the status of mathematics in the modern history of physics. May be we are at a stage where mathematics will clarify misconceptions and paradoxes about quantum reality. I have much respect to coding theory in this context, algebraic and quantum. To my knowledge, self dual classical codes and the Clifford quantum computing have been found to share many concepts that are also known in the context of efficient sphere packing (Sloane, Nebe et al). What you write about algebraic codes and anomalous large correlations (encompassing quantum correlations) is an exciting mathematical perspective that is certainly welcome in this contest. Manin-Marcolli maths is difficult and you do an excellent job by relating the KMS states and CHSH. I am familiar with Bost-Connes KMS paper and the relation to RH and quantum computing. In a different direction, I would like to mention another bound 2.566 >> 2v2 for CHSH-like correlations in entangled optical qubits in the paper 1403.0805 [quant-ph] by L. Olislager et al. Thank you for the comments on my essay and the starting of my counter.

Michel

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I liked much your lucid account of the status of mathematics in the modern history of physics. May be we are at a stage where mathematics will clarify misconceptions and paradoxes about quantum reality. I have much respect to coding theory in this context, algebraic and quantum. To my knowledge, self dual classical codes and the Clifford quantum computing have been found to share many concepts that are also known in the context of efficient sphere packing (Sloane, Nebe et al). What you write about algebraic codes and anomalous large correlations (encompassing quantum correlations) is an exciting mathematical perspective that is certainly welcome in this contest. Manin-Marcolli maths is difficult and you do an excellent job by relating the KMS states and CHSH. I am familiar with Bost-Connes KMS paper and the relation to RH and quantum computing. In a different direction, I would like to mention another bound 2.566 >> 2v2 for CHSH-like correlations in entangled optical qubits in the paper 1403.0805 [quant-ph] by L. Olislager et al. Thank you for the comments on my essay and the starting of my counter.

Michel

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Dear Alexei,

I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

Joe Fisher

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I think Newton was wrong about abstract gravity; Einstein was wrong about abstract space/time, and Hawking was wrong about the explosive capability of NOTHING.

All I ask is that you give my essay WHY THE REAL UNIVERSE IS NOT MATHEMATICAL a fair reading and that you allow me to answer any objections you may leave in my comment box about it.

Joe Fisher

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Dear Alexei

I found interesting historical notes on you essay. In particular, the citation from Bohr:

“The use of mathematical symbols secures the unambiguity of definition required for objective description”.

This makes apparent how casual was Niels in his writings, and why he was so often obscure and boring. A "symbol" does not secure anything. It is the mathematical definition beyond the symbol which secure objectivity, in the sense that we conventionally agree on everything is well defined mathematically.

Regarding your theory of the observer, I have already followed two of your talks, and have still difficulties understanding. The solution is that you will explain it to me personally, next time we meet, which I hope will be very soon (in Växjö?)

With my warmest regards

Mauro

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I found interesting historical notes on you essay. In particular, the citation from Bohr:

“The use of mathematical symbols secures the unambiguity of definition required for objective description”.

This makes apparent how casual was Niels in his writings, and why he was so often obscure and boring. A "symbol" does not secure anything. It is the mathematical definition beyond the symbol which secure objectivity, in the sense that we conventionally agree on everything is well defined mathematically.

Regarding your theory of the observer, I have already followed two of your talks, and have still difficulties understanding. The solution is that you will explain it to me personally, next time we meet, which I hope will be very soon (in Växjö?)

With my warmest regards

Mauro

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