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TOPIC: On the emergence of science in the frame of realistic observer models by Guido Kruse [refresh]
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Author Guido Kruse wrote on Feb. 19, 2015 @ 23:27 GMT
Essay Abstract

In this essay I describe how we can use autonomous agents (AAs) from Embodied Cognitive Science (ECS) as models for real observers in order to understand how science may emerge for observers. I model science as the ability of observers to use symbolic systems to perform experiments. The methodology consists in designing specific experiments with AAs and application of...

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lutz kayser wrote on Mar. 3, 2015 @ 03:11 GMT
Dear Dr. Kruse,

what you explain is fascinating and as far as I know quite revolutionary.

Should it be possible that your speculation comes true: "Once we have understood this mechanism it should be possible to clarify the epistemological

foundations of science experimentally."

Wow, can we then really also test what is trick and what is truth?

Mit den besten Wuenschen fuer Erfolg

Lutz

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Anonymous wrote on Apr. 22, 2015 @ 17:25 GMT
Dear Guido,

You proposal of addressing the question of the emergence of science is quite to the point for this contest. You are showing an important direction.

Your citation of Einstein is interesting, pertinent, and new to me.

Most of the ideas you state are sound, and you could have probably avoided a too detailed exposition of your elaborated and complex model of autonomous agents and embodied cognitive science, neural networks and the like, which eventually add little to the strength of your ideas. You would have saved more room to develop the consequences of your considerations, and I would have enjoyed reading more.

I completely agree with your early point: ``it is hard to find a reasonable degree of abstraction for starting a program like “deriving science from observer properties”.''



When then you conclude that ``we should not model observers mathematically as part of theories of physics/science since we neglect in this way many relevant observer-model properties'', however, I entirely agree when I place myself in the frame of your essay, but neglecting aspects of what we perceive to extract patterns is the core of processes of perception, and as a consequence of science. Thus any possibility of a new and fruitful viewpoint on building science in the frame of observers will proceed in this way —but I completely agree that all the challenge is to retain relevant properties, and to find the right level of abstraction.

Incidentally, this is exactly my essay's attempt.

Regards,

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