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TOPIC: Physics Needs A Paradigm Shift by Teresa Mendes [refresh]
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Video Description
Physics needs a Paradigm Shift. Let´s stop telling students that Local Realism has been experimentally rejected. Let's start a Scientific Revolution !
Video Creator Bio
Teresa Mendes has a mission: To start a Scientific Revolution. The results of this scientific revolution, even if not visible in her life time, could improve her children's quality of life and why not ... that of all other children too. She loves her job.
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http://youtu.be/LiEAt39tOIY
Video Description
Physics needs a Paradigm Shift. Let´s stop telling students that Local Realism has been experimentally rejected. Let's start a Scientific Revolution !
Video Creator Bio
Teresa Mendes has a mission: To start a Scientific Revolution. The results of this scientific revolution, even if not visible in her life time, could improve her children's quality of life and why not ... that of all other children too. She loves her job.
In 2012, Scott Aaronson announced "For better or worse, I’m now offering a US$100,000 award for a demonstration, convincing to me, that scalable quantum computing is impossible in the physical world. This award has no time limit other than my death, and is entirely at my discretion (though if you want to convince me, a good approach would be to convince most of the physics community first). "
In his blog we had an discussion on this subject:
The Blog of Scott Aaronson
Teresa Mendes Says:
Comment #154 May 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Scott: In the introduction you say: “It’s perfectly conceivable that future developments in physics would conflict with scalable quantum computing, in the same way that relativity conflicts with faster-than-light communication, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics conflicts with perpetuum mobiles. It’s for such a development in physics that I’m offering this prize.”
Does your meaning for “quantum computing”, as used above, require computation beyond the limits of classical computation and, hence, require entanglement, or just computation within the classical limits but using quantum phenomena other than the semiconductor based phenomena already widely used presently and, thus, not require entanglement?
Scott Says:
Comment #155 May 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Teresa: It requires computation “beyond the limits of classical computation,” which in turn would indeed almost certainly require entanglement.
So here I am, with this video, trying to convince most of the physics community that, to this moment, no experimental evidence exists to the phenomena called Entanglement, because there is always a local-realistic interpretation for the same phenomena, and no one can in truth reclaim that Local Realism has been rejected.
No Entanglement, no Quantum Computer !
Let's start a Scientific Revolution .
In his blog we had an discussion on this subject:
The Blog of Scott Aaronson
Teresa Mendes Says:
Comment #154 May 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Scott: In the introduction you say: “It’s perfectly conceivable that future developments in physics would conflict with scalable quantum computing, in the same way that relativity conflicts with faster-than-light communication, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics conflicts with perpetuum mobiles. It’s for such a development in physics that I’m offering this prize.”
Does your meaning for “quantum computing”, as used above, require computation beyond the limits of classical computation and, hence, require entanglement, or just computation within the classical limits but using quantum phenomena other than the semiconductor based phenomena already widely used presently and, thus, not require entanglement?
Scott Says:
Comment #155 May 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Teresa: It requires computation “beyond the limits of classical computation,” which in turn would indeed almost certainly require entanglement.
So here I am, with this video, trying to convince most of the physics community that, to this moment, no experimental evidence exists to the phenomena called Entanglement, because there is always a local-realistic interpretation for the same phenomena, and no one can in truth reclaim that Local Realism has been rejected.
No Entanglement, no Quantum Computer !
Let's start a Scientific Revolution .
Hi Teresa,
I have voted for your video entry, and support your plea wholeheartedly. We are indeed on the same side (but, as you say, disagree in some details).
Please do visit my blog sometime to understand my point of view.
Good luck with the contest.
Best,
Joy
I have voted for your video entry, and support your plea wholeheartedly. We are indeed on the same side (but, as you say, disagree in some details).
Please do visit my blog sometime to understand my point of view.
Good luck with the contest.
Best,
Joy
I will. Thank you.
Teresa
Teresa
Dr. Mendes:
Your video is simple and elegant. Further, I fully agree with your argument that lack of local realism in orthodox quantum theory represents a red flag that should be repeatedly questioned, rather than taken as quasi-religious dogma to be blindly accepted.
You might be interested in my earlier essays on FQXi:
"The Rise and Fall of Wave-Particle Duality", "Watching the Clock: Quantum Rotation and Relative Time".
Furthermore, I have recently proposed some straightforward experiments that should directly address some issues in superposition and entanglement:
"Is a Single Photon Always Circularly Polarized? A Proposed Experiment using a Superconducting Microcalorimeter Photon Detector".
"Superconducting Quantum Computing Without Entanglement?".
Best wishes for your success in this FQXi contest. Long Live the Scientific Revolution!
Alan Kadin
Princeton Junction, New Jersey USA
Email amkadin@alumni.princeton.edu
Your video is simple and elegant. Further, I fully agree with your argument that lack of local realism in orthodox quantum theory represents a red flag that should be repeatedly questioned, rather than taken as quasi-religious dogma to be blindly accepted.
You might be interested in my earlier essays on FQXi:
"The Rise and Fall of Wave-Particle Duality", "Watching the Clock: Quantum Rotation and Relative Time".
Furthermore, I have recently proposed some straightforward experiments that should directly address some issues in superposition and entanglement:
"Is a Single Photon Always Circularly Polarized? A Proposed Experiment using a Superconducting Microcalorimeter Photon Detector".
"Superconducting Quantum Computing Without Entanglement?".
Best wishes for your success in this FQXi contest. Long Live the Scientific Revolution!
Alan Kadin
Princeton Junction, New Jersey USA
Email amkadin@alumni.princeton.edu
Hi Alan,
Thank you for your very nice comment on my video ... simples and elegant, are the most flattering words you could use, to make me feel proud of myself.
I will look at your essays, of course, as you could also have a look at Especial, Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions
As you say in your article "Rise and Fall ..." : "There is no quantum entanglement between distant quantum states, and no instantaneous action-at-a-distance", there is always a local-realistic explanation to the phenomena like your NQP theory.
Mainstream physicist won't agree with you because they are told that all Local-Realistic theories have been rejected experimentally with the Bell experiments.
The point J.Especial makes is: no, they have not !
This is the first step for the change in Physics.
The second, could be yours: if you do have a LR theory, based on a formalism, can you propose an experiment where your predictions differ from the ortodox quantum theory?
That would be the test to reject, not Local Realism (as Bell Experiments aim to do] , but Quantum Mechanics.
Could this be your "Superconducting Quantum Computing Without Entanglement?". experiment?
When are you planning to do it?
Let's keep talking, ok?
Sincerely
Teresa
Thank you for your very nice comment on my video ... simples and elegant, are the most flattering words you could use, to make me feel proud of myself.
I will look at your essays, of course, as you could also have a look at Especial, Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions
As you say in your article "Rise and Fall ..." : "There is no quantum entanglement between distant quantum states, and no instantaneous action-at-a-distance", there is always a local-realistic explanation to the phenomena like your NQP theory.
Mainstream physicist won't agree with you because they are told that all Local-Realistic theories have been rejected experimentally with the Bell experiments.
The point J.Especial makes is: no, they have not !
This is the first step for the change in Physics.
The second, could be yours: if you do have a LR theory, based on a formalism, can you propose an experiment where your predictions differ from the ortodox quantum theory?
That would be the test to reject, not Local Realism (as Bell Experiments aim to do] , but Quantum Mechanics.
Could this be your "Superconducting Quantum Computing Without Entanglement?". experiment?
When are you planning to do it?
Let's keep talking, ok?
Sincerely
Teresa
THE THREE THINGS PHYSICISTS SHOULD NOT SAY, COULD PERHAPS SAY, OR CLEARLY EMPHASIZE, TO THEIR STUDENTS
PLEASE DON'T TELL THIS to students and to the whole world, because it is just not proved:
Michio Kaku (2.13)
[transcript from the video] "Albert Einstein hated Quantum entanglement. He called it Spooky Action at a Distance. He couldn’t get his head...
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PLEASE DON'T TELL THIS to students and to the whole world, because it is just not proved:
Michio Kaku (2.13)
[transcript from the video] "Albert Einstein hated Quantum entanglement. He called it Spooky Action at a Distance. He couldn’t get his head...
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MESSAGE TO (SOME) FQXi MEMBERS:
To Scot Aaronson:
Scott, we already "talked" on the possibility or not of having a scalable quantum computer in the future. To convince you, you defied me to convince the majority of the Physics Community. Here I am, doing my best.
To Gerard T'Hoft
Professor, we had lunch some years ago in Vienna, 2012, during an Emergent Quantum...
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To Scot Aaronson:
Scott, we already "talked" on the possibility or not of having a scalable quantum computer in the future. To convince you, you defied me to convince the majority of the Physics Community. Here I am, doing my best.
To Gerard T'Hoft
Professor, we had lunch some years ago in Vienna, 2012, during an Emergent Quantum...
view entire post
Hi Teresa,
Thanks for your comments re voting, (please don't just give mine a "5", but whatever you genuinely think each deserves).
there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic on this site, so perhaps FQXI could do a bit of internet publicity - contacting science magazine pages etc ?
Also all the participants could send a few group emails, twitter, facebook, msgs to interested friends perhaps?
you are right, though we should be active, I will start looking and voting (honestly) around the videos.
ps : I seriously think seeing how the theory of time may be completely unfounded, and showing how Special relativity probably does not infact prove time, or time dilation, but only rate dilation, may be a very big part of the paradigm shift - a lot of (possibly) wasted thought and effort is going into trying to work out what "time" "is", and yet we don't see any proof of anything other than the fact matter exists and is changing.
all the best,
matt
"Does Time exist? How 'Time travel Paradoxes' can't happen without "the past".
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2245
"Time travel, Worm hole, billiard ball' paradox, Timelessly. (re Paul Davies- New scientist article) "
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2244
"Time Travel, Timeless Answers to Prof Brian Cox's Science of Dr WHO "
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2243
Thanks for your comments re voting, (please don't just give mine a "5", but whatever you genuinely think each deserves).
there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic on this site, so perhaps FQXI could do a bit of internet publicity - contacting science magazine pages etc ?
Also all the participants could send a few group emails, twitter, facebook, msgs to interested friends perhaps?
you are right, though we should be active, I will start looking and voting (honestly) around the videos.
ps : I seriously think seeing how the theory of time may be completely unfounded, and showing how Special relativity probably does not infact prove time, or time dilation, but only rate dilation, may be a very big part of the paradigm shift - a lot of (possibly) wasted thought and effort is going into trying to work out what "time" "is", and yet we don't see any proof of anything other than the fact matter exists and is changing.
all the best,
matt
"Does Time exist? How 'Time travel Paradoxes' can't happen without "the past".
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2245
"Time travel, Worm hole, billiard ball' paradox, Timelessly. (re Paul Davies- New scientist article) "
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2244
"Time Travel, Timeless Answers to Prof Brian Cox's Science of Dr WHO "
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2243
Hi, good act of self-action is our opportunity to set forth.
Best,
Vad
Best,
Vad
Thank you ... I am doing my best! With all my heart!
Hi Teresa
Making a plea to change a prevailing theory of physics (whether it is referred to as a revolution of paradigm change) is a reasonable aspiration on your part. Kudos. However, Karl Popper whose picture is in your video would encourage you and all of us to apply the principle of falsifiability to achieve such goals. You or some other physicist will simply need to come up with experimental results that support your theory of choice. If you are correct, it will happen. You won’t need to plead with others to agree with you. They will do it on the basis of the merits of the experiment.
Ron Gruber
Making a plea to change a prevailing theory of physics (whether it is referred to as a revolution of paradigm change) is a reasonable aspiration on your part. Kudos. However, Karl Popper whose picture is in your video would encourage you and all of us to apply the principle of falsifiability to achieve such goals. You or some other physicist will simply need to come up with experimental results that support your theory of choice. If you are correct, it will happen. You won’t need to plead with others to agree with you. They will do it on the basis of the merits of the experiment.
Ron Gruber
Hi Ronald,
Thank you for your comments.
I think we are saying the same thing. A theory, to prevail, needs to be falsifiable. There has to be a test, an experimental test, that allow us to refute it and if refuted, discard it.
That is the case.
Bell experiments are the only experiments that aim the refutation of (all possible) local realistic theory(ies). [They are not...
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Thank you for your comments.
I think we are saying the same thing. A theory, to prevail, needs to be falsifiable. There has to be a test, an experimental test, that allow us to refute it and if refuted, discard it.
That is the case.
Bell experiments are the only experiments that aim the refutation of (all possible) local realistic theory(ies). [They are not...
view entire post
Hi Teresa,
I've watched your manifesto for questioning the foundations of quantum mechanics, and for searching a local realistic solution. I can't imagine a principle in physics which we should stop questioning. Principles are universal propositions, and they can be tested only in a finite number of situations, so we should never consider them proven forever, and stop testing them. Especially when they come with trouble.
You commented on my video The puzzle of quantum reality, which contains an interpretation of quantum mechanics that gives, in my opinion, the closest thing to local realism we can get, and in the same time relies entirely on the standard formalism of quantum mechanics. Please watch it, and if you wish, please read my essays Flowing with a Frozen River and The Tao of It and Bit, in which I explain in more details.
Briefly, my view is that any measurement setup in QM has local real solutions. But: #1. The solution can be local, being a solution to Schrodinger's equation, but when we ask it to also be global, in the sense that it has to be extendible to the entire spacetime, the correlations follow. #2. The solution is real at any time, but depends also by the future measurements (contextuality, "delayed initial conditions"). This is better understood in the block world picture given by relativity, and in this case is just a particular case of #1. I tried to explain how this works in my video, and in the above mentioned essays. And in this video.
Best regards,
Cristi
I've watched your manifesto for questioning the foundations of quantum mechanics, and for searching a local realistic solution. I can't imagine a principle in physics which we should stop questioning. Principles are universal propositions, and they can be tested only in a finite number of situations, so we should never consider them proven forever, and stop testing them. Especially when they come with trouble.
You commented on my video The puzzle of quantum reality, which contains an interpretation of quantum mechanics that gives, in my opinion, the closest thing to local realism we can get, and in the same time relies entirely on the standard formalism of quantum mechanics. Please watch it, and if you wish, please read my essays Flowing with a Frozen River and The Tao of It and Bit, in which I explain in more details.
Briefly, my view is that any measurement setup in QM has local real solutions. But: #1. The solution can be local, being a solution to Schrodinger's equation, but when we ask it to also be global, in the sense that it has to be extendible to the entire spacetime, the correlations follow. #2. The solution is real at any time, but depends also by the future measurements (contextuality, "delayed initial conditions"). This is better understood in the block world picture given by relativity, and in this case is just a particular case of #1. I tried to explain how this works in my video, and in the above mentioned essays. And in this video.
Best regards,
Cristi
Hi Cristi,
Thank you for your comment (and probably for your vote).
I have a question for you:
You said you have "an interpretation of quantum mechanics that gives, in my opinion, the closest thing to local realism we can get, and in the same time relies entirely on the standard formalism of quantum mechanics." , don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?
A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism, that of course should be compatible with all previous experimental evidence, and be falsifiable, but also bring something new.
Kuhn pointed out accuracy, consistency, scope, simplicity and fruitfulness as the rational aspects two competing theories would be compared upon.
My question, now: If you agree that "any measurement setup has local real solutions" why do you think you have to restrict yourself to the quantum mechanics formalism?
Can't you begin from scratch and invent a new solution?
(Much more easy to say it than do it, right? hehe. But Go for It, Physicists!! Change the paradigm!)
Best regards
Teresa
Thank you for your comment (and probably for your vote).
I have a question for you:
You said you have "an interpretation of quantum mechanics that gives, in my opinion, the closest thing to local realism we can get, and in the same time relies entirely on the standard formalism of quantum mechanics." , don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?
A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism, that of course should be compatible with all previous experimental evidence, and be falsifiable, but also bring something new.
Kuhn pointed out accuracy, consistency, scope, simplicity and fruitfulness as the rational aspects two competing theories would be compared upon.
My question, now: If you agree that "any measurement setup has local real solutions" why do you think you have to restrict yourself to the quantum mechanics formalism?
Can't you begin from scratch and invent a new solution?
(Much more easy to say it than do it, right? hehe. But Go for It, Physicists!! Change the paradigm!)
Best regards
Teresa
Hi Teresa,
"don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?"
No. To see that they are not in contradiction, you can check the links I gave you.
"A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism"
Say you have a smartphone, and you can only turn the screen on and off. Hence, you can only see the time displayed on the screen, so you think...
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"don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?"
No. To see that they are not in contradiction, you can check the links I gave you.
"A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism"
Say you have a smartphone, and you can only turn the screen on and off. Hence, you can only see the time displayed on the screen, so you think...
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Hi Christi
Thank you for answering.
You say: "And there are so many physicists working at local or realistic versions of QM. Your manifesto comes a bit late, because there are already so many trying to do this."
See my point?
So let me rephrase:
What I think the fastest way to promote a paradigm shift in Physics is when scientists (and deciders of research funds ) accept that for the quantum phenomena there is a limit - like in Special Relativity there is a limit, nothing goes faster than the speed of light - and that limit is Local Realism. (and not local or realism)
That is the importance of recognizing, and not teaching the opposite, in what regards the experimental results of Bell tests.
Because local realism has not been rejected, Physicists should FIRST find a solution within that limitation, and not search for that solution all over the place.
Can I ask you something? It makes any sense for you, the claim J.Especial made, that in Bell tests under non-ideal detection, the respective inequalities, all, confused Fair Sampling with Perfect Correlation between Contrafactual Detections?
Looking forward for your answer
Teresa
Thank you for answering.
You say: "And there are so many physicists working at local or realistic versions of QM. Your manifesto comes a bit late, because there are already so many trying to do this."
See my point?
So let me rephrase:
What I think the fastest way to promote a paradigm shift in Physics is when scientists (and deciders of research funds ) accept that for the quantum phenomena there is a limit - like in Special Relativity there is a limit, nothing goes faster than the speed of light - and that limit is Local Realism. (and not local or realism)
That is the importance of recognizing, and not teaching the opposite, in what regards the experimental results of Bell tests.
Because local realism has not been rejected, Physicists should FIRST find a solution within that limitation, and not search for that solution all over the place.
Can I ask you something? It makes any sense for you, the claim J.Especial made, that in Bell tests under non-ideal detection, the respective inequalities, all, confused Fair Sampling with Perfect Correlation between Contrafactual Detections?
Looking forward for your answer
Teresa
Dear Teresa,
I have already rated your video. I do not know why each person is not allowed just to vote one star. That would be more fair than the graduated voting that is allowed. In the essay contest, my essay got perfect 10 ratings from a Physics Professor and two Doctorate Degree certificate holders. Yet my essay did not even qualify for the $1,000 consolation prize awarded to non-members for submitting a splendid effort.
Joe Fisher
I have already rated your video. I do not know why each person is not allowed just to vote one star. That would be more fair than the graduated voting that is allowed. In the essay contest, my essay got perfect 10 ratings from a Physics Professor and two Doctorate Degree certificate holders. Yet my essay did not even qualify for the $1,000 consolation prize awarded to non-members for submitting a splendid effort.
Joe Fisher
Hi Joe
As I said to Christi, in the last post: Go for it, Physicists! Change the paradigm!
And you are trying, don't give up!
You have made your point, in this (small) community. We have heard you: "The biggest myth physicists have about their abstract universe is that abstract light has an abstract linear constant speed when it is shot through a vacuum. Real light is the only real stationary substance in the real Universe."
The rating is not over, yet. And, if anybody has listen to me (hehe) soon there will be funding for all local realistic research.
Best regards
Teresa
As I said to Christi, in the last post: Go for it, Physicists! Change the paradigm!
And you are trying, don't give up!
You have made your point, in this (small) community. We have heard you: "The biggest myth physicists have about their abstract universe is that abstract light has an abstract linear constant speed when it is shot through a vacuum. Real light is the only real stationary substance in the real Universe."
The rating is not over, yet. And, if anybody has listen to me (hehe) soon there will be funding for all local realistic research.
Best regards
Teresa
Hi Theresa,
I can feel you try with all your effort to make a change in physics happen - a science you seem to have a lot passion and dedication for. This is admirable and at times when I struggle with animation, illustration, drawing - things I love - I shall be reminded of the way you pursue your goal. I wish I could plug myself into the actual debate you're involved in and contribute more to the discourse you wish to have - but my knowledge is to limited too join the debate on a satisfactory level.
I hope you find the chance to check out our video and tell us what you think. If you could vote for us it would be really appreciated, since as you mentioned earlier, votes count for all of us and we would like to share support and appreciation.
Madeleine
Piezoelectricity: A Love Story
I can feel you try with all your effort to make a change in physics happen - a science you seem to have a lot passion and dedication for. This is admirable and at times when I struggle with animation, illustration, drawing - things I love - I shall be reminded of the way you pursue your goal. I wish I could plug myself into the actual debate you're involved in and contribute more to the discourse you wish to have - but my knowledge is to limited too join the debate on a satisfactory level.
I hope you find the chance to check out our video and tell us what you think. If you could vote for us it would be really appreciated, since as you mentioned earlier, votes count for all of us and we would like to share support and appreciation.
Madeleine
Piezoelectricity: A Love Story
Hi Theresa, you have got my vote and l look forward to receiving yours for my video http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2136 ”convection? heat transfer? Who cares?". Good luck in the competition!!!
Nice video. Interesting points!
I agree with your premise Theresa..
Physics does need a shift, if it is to remain scientific, and maybe it is time for a local realistic revolution. A lot of the luminary figures you have talked about/to in the comments above are seeking for a way to create local realistic theories from which quantum mechanics is emergent. But nobody wants to even try to slay the giant, unless they have a theory in hand, and those who try (like Dr. Christian) get slapped down mighty hard by the QM establishment.
I guess I'm saying there will have to be quite compelling reasons to adopt a new view, before the world-view that embraces non-locality and entanglement can be laid to rest. Good luck in your crusade! You are likely to need it.
All the Best,
Jonathan
Physics does need a shift, if it is to remain scientific, and maybe it is time for a local realistic revolution. A lot of the luminary figures you have talked about/to in the comments above are seeking for a way to create local realistic theories from which quantum mechanics is emergent. But nobody wants to even try to slay the giant, unless they have a theory in hand, and those who try (like Dr. Christian) get slapped down mighty hard by the QM establishment.
I guess I'm saying there will have to be quite compelling reasons to adopt a new view, before the world-view that embraces non-locality and entanglement can be laid to rest. Good luck in your crusade! You are likely to need it.
All the Best,
Jonathan
Hi Teresa,
Top marks, and Especial's proof isn't the only one. I showed in my essay this year how a real local classical mechanism can produce the effects considered as 'non-local', summarised here; Classical reproduction of quantum correlations.
It's achieved just by changing one fundamental assumption inherited by Bell.I hope you'll read it and comment. I'm quite convinced it will contribute to the long overdue paradigm shift, if entrenched academic inertia will now allow any such shifts at all!
Best of luck
Peter
Top marks, and Especial's proof isn't the only one. I showed in my essay this year how a real local classical mechanism can produce the effects considered as 'non-local', summarised here; Classical reproduction of quantum correlations.
It's achieved just by changing one fundamental assumption inherited by Bell.I hope you'll read it and comment. I'm quite convinced it will contribute to the long overdue paradigm shift, if entrenched academic inertia will now allow any such shifts at all!
Best of luck
Peter
Hi Peter,
I followed your link and found lots of interesting articles to read.
This one https://www.academia.edu/1917950/SUBJUGATION_OF_SCEPTICISM_I
N_SCIENCE stroke my curiosity: man, you write much better than me ... hehe
I will comment on your Classical Reproduction ...soon, but meanwhile let me try to put my ideas in one sentence.
What I think the fastest way to promote a paradigm shift in Physics is when scientists (and deciders of research funds ) accept that for the quantum phenomena there is a limit - like in Special Relativity there is a limit, the speed of light - and that limit is local realism.
That is the importance of recognizing, and not teaching the opposite, in what regards the experimental results of Bell tests.
Because local realism has not been rejected, Physicists should FIRST find a solution within that limitation, and not search for that solution all over the place.
Don't you think? (Ok. It was 3 sentences.)
Thank you, I think I will need a little bit of luck.
Teresa
I followed your link and found lots of interesting articles to read.
This one https://www.academia.edu/1917950/SUBJUGATION_OF_SCEPTICISM_I
N_SCIENCE stroke my curiosity: man, you write much better than me ... hehe
I will comment on your Classical Reproduction ...soon, but meanwhile let me try to put my ideas in one sentence.
What I think the fastest way to promote a paradigm shift in Physics is when scientists (and deciders of research funds ) accept that for the quantum phenomena there is a limit - like in Special Relativity there is a limit, the speed of light - and that limit is local realism.
That is the importance of recognizing, and not teaching the opposite, in what regards the experimental results of Bell tests.
Because local realism has not been rejected, Physicists should FIRST find a solution within that limitation, and not search for that solution all over the place.
Don't you think? (Ok. It was 3 sentences.)
Thank you, I think I will need a little bit of luck.
Teresa
Teresa,
I watched your video and I want to thank you for bringing to my attention the fact that experiments (like Aspect's) that attempt to disprove the possibility of local realism are subject to loopholes such as Fair Sampling and Measurement Crosstalk. I found J. Especial's paper "Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions" too technical for me, but I have been "enlightened" on the subject by reading Wikipedia's articles "Loopholes in Bell test experiments", "Local hidden variable theory" and "Superdeterminism".
Of course, the fact that there are loopholes in these experiments do not prove that local realism holds, so entanglement and "spooky action at a distance" are very much still in the running... All we can say with certainty is that the jury is still out... but isn't it always the case in science?! As Cristinel Stoica pointed in his post on your forum, there will always be physicists who try to imagine new theories, and it is a good thing. We know that, at some point, there will have to be some major shift, since General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are incompatible. As we say in french, "Qui vivra verra!"
I rated your video... and when you come around to rating videos, if you could take a look at my video "Physics Into Darkness", who is one vote short of getting 10 votes, it would be quite appreciated. Here's the direct link:
http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2197
Good luck in the contest, and keep thinking outside of the box!
Marc
I watched your video and I want to thank you for bringing to my attention the fact that experiments (like Aspect's) that attempt to disprove the possibility of local realism are subject to loopholes such as Fair Sampling and Measurement Crosstalk. I found J. Especial's paper "Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions" too technical for me, but I have been "enlightened" on the subject by reading Wikipedia's articles "Loopholes in Bell test experiments", "Local hidden variable theory" and "Superdeterminism".
Of course, the fact that there are loopholes in these experiments do not prove that local realism holds, so entanglement and "spooky action at a distance" are very much still in the running... All we can say with certainty is that the jury is still out... but isn't it always the case in science?! As Cristinel Stoica pointed in his post on your forum, there will always be physicists who try to imagine new theories, and it is a good thing. We know that, at some point, there will have to be some major shift, since General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are incompatible. As we say in french, "Qui vivra verra!"
I rated your video... and when you come around to rating videos, if you could take a look at my video "Physics Into Darkness", who is one vote short of getting 10 votes, it would be quite appreciated. Here's the direct link:
http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2197
Good luck in the contest, and keep thinking outside of the box!
Marc
Hello Teresa,
thanks for commenting on our video. Your video is interesting, but I am puzzled about the claim that the experimental verification that local realism is just lore. Are there other experiments that confirm it?
Also, great soundtrack!
In case you didn't yet, feel free to look up our video, in which we discuss what is quantum gravity, present an existing solution and give examples of applications and future directions:
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2221
Don't forget to rate it!
Best,
--Pedro
thanks for commenting on our video. Your video is interesting, but I am puzzled about the claim that the experimental verification that local realism is just lore. Are there other experiments that confirm it?
Also, great soundtrack!
In case you didn't yet, feel free to look up our video, in which we discuss what is quantum gravity, present an existing solution and give examples of applications and future directions:
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2221
Don't forget to rate it!
Best,
--Pedro
Hi Pedro (are you portuguese?)
Just saw your video and rated it.
"I am puzzled about the claim that the experimental verification that local realism is just lore. Are there other experiments that confirm it? "
To my knowledge Bell tests are the only experiments that specifically aim to reject Local Realism. There are other theoretical attempts, theorems, but not experimental evidences came out of those theorems.
And do you know what happens when, over and over again, an attempt to reject (a whole category) of theories have been performed and none has successfully achieved it? That means that Local Realism is still a viable alternative to Quantum Mechanics.
And you, students have a choice to pursue the path you feel is correct.
And talking about quantum gravity ... wouldn't it be better to begin with a theory consistent with GR, that is also a local realistic theory?
Will you debate this between you?
I will be here, if you need more information.
Best of luck in the contest.
Teresa
Just saw your video and rated it.
"I am puzzled about the claim that the experimental verification that local realism is just lore. Are there other experiments that confirm it? "
To my knowledge Bell tests are the only experiments that specifically aim to reject Local Realism. There are other theoretical attempts, theorems, but not experimental evidences came out of those theorems.
And do you know what happens when, over and over again, an attempt to reject (a whole category) of theories have been performed and none has successfully achieved it? That means that Local Realism is still a viable alternative to Quantum Mechanics.
And you, students have a choice to pursue the path you feel is correct.
And talking about quantum gravity ... wouldn't it be better to begin with a theory consistent with GR, that is also a local realistic theory?
Will you debate this between you?
I will be here, if you need more information.
Best of luck in the contest.
Teresa
Nice video! You're right - quantum physics is counter-intuitive. Great point! Please rate my 2 videos, if you don't mind so that we can also move on to the next level.
Have a great day!
Schatzie Dudee
Have a great day!
Schatzie Dudee
Dear maam
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fantastic video very revolutionary.tell them the first man to measure the size of the earth- eratosthenes used a simple stick and shadow it cast on the ground.given a five i too have a simple video of how the universe can be presented on a notebook here- http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2223,hoope you too take your time to vote for me thanks.
Dear Dr. Mendes:
Thank you for trying to shake up a science that is still in the late 19th century!!!
Einstein and most other physicists have been looking at the world in macro terms. The question of the existence of time is becoming more mainstream and as we delve into the quantum world we are finding the "spooky action at a distance" to be the norm. When one delves into the quantum world and leaves behind classical physics it is like leaving the English measuring system and accepting the metric system. There are still some holdouts there as well.
We should tell our students that it is up to them to decide whether the information provided is correct, and if they feel it is not, to pursue the path they feel is correct.
Great work!!
Thank you for trying to shake up a science that is still in the late 19th century!!!
Einstein and most other physicists have been looking at the world in macro terms. The question of the existence of time is becoming more mainstream and as we delve into the quantum world we are finding the "spooky action at a distance" to be the norm. When one delves into the quantum world and leaves behind classical physics it is like leaving the English measuring system and accepting the metric system. There are still some holdouts there as well.
We should tell our students that it is up to them to decide whether the information provided is correct, and if they feel it is not, to pursue the path they feel is correct.
Great work!!
Thank you. Thank you.
the problem is clearly presented
I would have liked to see some proposed solutions
thanks
ron
I would have liked to see some proposed solutions
thanks
ron
Hi, Ron
I 'm glad you asked.
If you want to know if I have a new quantum theory local and realistic for quantum phenomena in my hand? I must say I don't.
If you want to know, in my opinion, what is the easier and fastest way to achieve one? That, I can answer.
We are here, today, because of a simple video contest, within one of the most influential physics community...
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I 'm glad you asked.
If you want to know if I have a new quantum theory local and realistic for quantum phenomena in my hand? I must say I don't.
If you want to know, in my opinion, what is the easier and fastest way to achieve one? That, I can answer.
We are here, today, because of a simple video contest, within one of the most influential physics community...
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Dear all FQXi Video contestants
I did something wrong, it seams. I posted my letter to Prof. 'T.Hooft, in (almost) all your forum areas, and that is against FQXi guidelines. Sorry about that. It is the revolutionary fuss ... hehe. I won't do it again. I wish we had a forum for all of us to post and be notified by mail. I also posted in the Discussion Forum "Why Quantum", with the title "Why quantum? Why not Local Realism?" and I got some answers.
Because it was reported as incorrect, all posts were deleted, including the comments. Even the one I wrote here.
The news is: I got an answer from Prof. 'T.Hooft.
Are you interested in following this discussion? I can't publish his comments, without his authorization, of course, but I can post my answers.
Should I post them here? Will anybody see them?
I'm still here, fighting for a scientific revolution, I'm not going anywhere.
Sincerely
Teresa
I did something wrong, it seams. I posted my letter to Prof. 'T.Hooft, in (almost) all your forum areas, and that is against FQXi guidelines. Sorry about that. It is the revolutionary fuss ... hehe. I won't do it again. I wish we had a forum for all of us to post and be notified by mail. I also posted in the Discussion Forum "Why Quantum", with the title "Why quantum? Why not Local Realism?" and I got some answers.
Because it was reported as incorrect, all posts were deleted, including the comments. Even the one I wrote here.
The news is: I got an answer from Prof. 'T.Hooft.
Are you interested in following this discussion? I can't publish his comments, without his authorization, of course, but I can post my answers.
Should I post them here? Will anybody see them?
I'm still here, fighting for a scientific revolution, I'm not going anywhere.
Sincerely
Teresa
Yes I'm interested..
In general Teresa, it is OK to reprint comments made by scientists in correspondence, if they are topical (concerning local realism in this case) or general rather than personal in nature - so long as it is cited as coming from personal correspondence and not treated as though it was published work. So stating something like; "in his reply Gerard said..." is usually OK without further permissions - which can be annoying to provide.
For the record; the initial 't' is not capitalized, and when pronounced his name has a leading vowel - so it sounds like ut Hooft, rather than tuh Hooft.
If it seems OK given the above criteria, bring it on, or share a few excerpts you think are worthwhile to repeat.
All the Best,
Jonathan
In general Teresa, it is OK to reprint comments made by scientists in correspondence, if they are topical (concerning local realism in this case) or general rather than personal in nature - so long as it is cited as coming from personal correspondence and not treated as though it was published work. So stating something like; "in his reply Gerard said..." is usually OK without further permissions - which can be annoying to provide.
For the record; the initial 't' is not capitalized, and when pronounced his name has a leading vowel - so it sounds like ut Hooft, rather than tuh Hooft.
If it seems OK given the above criteria, bring it on, or share a few excerpts you think are worthwhile to repeat.
All the Best,
Jonathan
I am hoping you will have time to rate and comment on my video..
Can the Mandelbrot Set help us understand the Cosmos?
Regards,
Jonathan
Can the Mandelbrot Set help us understand the Cosmos?
Regards,
Jonathan
Thanks Teresa,
For the kind remarks left on my comments page.
You would like my companion Music Video:
Mandelbrot Butterfly Safari
All the Best,
Jonathan
For the kind remarks left on my comments page.
You would like my companion Music Video:
Mandelbrot Butterfly Safari
All the Best,
Jonathan
Hi Jonathan
I love when people take the time to explain newcomers the "rules". Thank you.
I wish we had a place to "talk", not in "my" forum or "your" forum so that we both could be notified by mail.
So here is my answer to Gerard (hehe) when he said, in a mail to me 23Sept14, "Dear Teresa,
Thank you for your mail. I understand your point but I don't quite agree with...
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I love when people take the time to explain newcomers the "rules". Thank you.
I wish we had a place to "talk", not in "my" forum or "your" forum so that we both could be notified by mail.
So here is my answer to Gerard (hehe) when he said, in a mail to me 23Sept14, "Dear Teresa,
Thank you for your mail. I understand your point but I don't quite agree with...
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Re: invitation from Foundations of Physics
Since 't Hooft is the head editor, it's probably no coincidence. Better make your case both compelling and air-tight though.
And I see you have come out on top of the public ratings.
Good luck,
Jonathan
Since 't Hooft is the head editor, it's probably no coincidence. Better make your case both compelling and air-tight though.
And I see you have come out on top of the public ratings.
Good luck,
Jonathan
Hi all
Waiting for the results of this FQXI video context, I’m still working on the quest towards a revolutionary phase in the Physics arena based on two fundamental strategies:
- changing the way the physics community think and teach undergraduate students towards the “consensus" that Local Realism has not been experimentally rejected, so both, local realism and quantum...
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Waiting for the results of this FQXI video context, I’m still working on the quest towards a revolutionary phase in the Physics arena based on two fundamental strategies:
- changing the way the physics community think and teach undergraduate students towards the “consensus" that Local Realism has not been experimentally rejected, so both, local realism and quantum...
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