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Teresa Mendes wrote on Aug. 22, 2014 @ 18:23 GMT
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Video URLhttp://youtu.be/LiEAt39tOIYVideo DescriptionPhysics needs a Paradigm Shift. Let´s stop telling students that Local Realism has been experimentally rejected. Let's start a Scientific Revolution !
Video Creator Bio Teresa Mendes has a mission: To start a Scientific Revolution. The results of this scientific revolution, even if not visible in her life time, could improve her children's quality of life and why not ... that of all other children too. She loves her job.
Teresa Mendes wrote on Aug. 23, 2014 @ 21:53 GMT
In 2012, Scott Aaronson announced "For better or worse, I’m now offering a US$100,000 award for a demonstration, convincing to me, that scalable quantum computing is impossible in the physical world. This award has no time limit other than my death, and is entirely at my discretion (though if you want to convince me, a good approach would be to convince most of the physics community first). "
In his blog we had an discussion on this subject:
The Blog of Scott AaronsonTeresa Mendes Says:
Comment #154 May 1st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Scott: In the introduction you say: “It’s perfectly conceivable that future developments in physics would conflict with scalable quantum computing, in the same way that relativity conflicts with faster-than-light communication, and the Second Law of Thermodynamics conflicts with perpetuum mobiles. It’s for such a development in physics that I’m offering this prize.”
Does your meaning for “quantum computing”, as used above, require computation beyond the limits of classical computation and, hence, require entanglement, or just computation within the classical limits but using quantum phenomena other than the semiconductor based phenomena already widely used presently and, thus, not require entanglement?
Scott Says:
Comment #155 May 1st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Teresa: It requires computation “beyond the limits of classical computation,” which in turn would indeed almost certainly require entanglement.
So here I am, with this video, trying to convince most of the physics community that, to this moment, no experimental evidence exists to the phenomena called Entanglement, because there is always a local-realistic interpretation for the same phenomena, and no one can in truth reclaim that Local Realism has been rejected.
No Entanglement, no Quantum Computer !
Let's start a Scientific Revolution .
Joy Christian replied on Sep. 26, 2014 @ 17:37 GMT
Hi Teresa,
I have voted for your video entry, and support your plea wholeheartedly. We are indeed on the same side (but, as you say, disagree in some details).
Please do visit
my blog sometime to understand my point of view.
Good luck with the contest.
Best,
Joy
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 26, 2014 @ 17:58 GMT
Alan M. Kadin wrote on Aug. 28, 2014 @ 21:15 GMT
Dr. Mendes:
Your video is simple and elegant. Further, I fully agree with your argument that lack of local realism in orthodox quantum theory represents a red flag that should be repeatedly questioned, rather than taken as quasi-religious dogma to be blindly accepted.
You might be interested in my earlier essays on FQXi:
"The Rise and Fall of Wave-Particle Duality", "Watching the Clock: Quantum Rotation and Relative Time".
Furthermore, I have recently proposed some straightforward experiments that should directly address some issues in superposition and entanglement:
"Is a Single Photon Always Circularly Polarized? A Proposed Experiment using a Superconducting Microcalorimeter Photon Detector".
"Superconducting Quantum Computing Without Entanglement?".
Best wishes for your success in this FQXi contest. Long Live the Scientific Revolution!
Alan Kadin
Princeton Junction, New Jersey USA
Email amkadin@alumni.princeton.edu
Teresa Mendes replied on Aug. 29, 2014 @ 17:24 GMT
Hi Alan,
Thank you for your very nice comment on my video ... simples and elegant, are the most flattering words you could use, to make me feel proud of myself.
I will look at your essays, of course, as you could also have a look at Especial,
Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditionsAs you say in your article "Rise and Fall ..." : "There is no quantum entanglement between distant quantum states, and no instantaneous action-at-a-distance", there is always a local-realistic explanation to the phenomena like your NQP theory.
Mainstream physicist won't agree with you because they are told that all Local-Realistic theories have been rejected experimentally with the Bell experiments.
The point J.Especial makes is: no, they have not !
This is the first step for the change in Physics.
The second, could be yours: if you do have a LR theory, based on a formalism, can you propose an experiment where your predictions differ from the ortodox quantum theory?
That would be the test to reject, not Local Realism (as Bell Experiments aim to do] , but Quantum Mechanics.
Could this be your "Superconducting Quantum Computing Without Entanglement?". experiment?
When are you planning to do it?
Let's keep talking, ok?
Sincerely
Teresa
Teresa Mendes wrote on Aug. 29, 2014 @ 18:03 GMT
THE THREE THINGS PHYSICISTS SHOULD NOT SAY, COULD PERHAPS SAY, OR CLEARLY EMPHASIZE, TO THEIR STUDENTSPLEASE DON'T TELL THIS to students and to the whole world, because it is just not proved:
Michio Kaku (2.13)
[transcript from the video] "Albert Einstein hated Quantum entanglement. He called it Spooky Action at a Distance. He couldn’t get his head...
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THE THREE THINGS PHYSICISTS SHOULD NOT SAY, COULD PERHAPS SAY, OR CLEARLY EMPHASIZE, TO THEIR STUDENTSPLEASE DON'T TELL THIS to students and to the whole world, because it is just not proved:
Michio Kaku (2.13)
[transcript from the video]
"Albert Einstein hated Quantum entanglement. He called it Spooky Action at a Distance. He couldn’t get his head around it …
Hei, Einstein was wrong. We do this every day, in the laboratory.
Here is how it works: let’s take two electrons very close together and they will vibrate in unison (everything vibrates) (…) Now separate them. As you separate these coherent particles an umbilical cord, an invisible umbilical cord, starts to develop between these two particles, such as, if you wiggle one particle, then the other particle is aware of the fact that its partner is being wiggled. (…) But now separate these particles by the distance of a galaxy itself. So here, at one end of the galaxy we wiggle an electron and on the other side of the galaxy, 100.000 light years distance, instantly, faster than the speed of light, the other particle is aware of the fact that his twin is wiggling. Now, Einstein said : “This is ridiculous ! Because nothing can go faster than the speed of light”. But this effect has been measured !" YOU MIGHT SAY THIS even thou the first Bell Test was made in the seventies, and more than 40 years has passed trying and trying to violate Bell experiments with no success.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CIg6r_Y3_o] The Qubit Lab - Quantum Correlations (5:19)
(Transcript from the video]
"If there is a Bell violation, then every layer bellow will also be in place, and thus the particles are wedded in the blissed matrimony of quantum of correlations (…) … So far there has not been a definitive test but [some labs] are getting close. If a loophole free test shows a true Bell violation this will tell us something very profound about the Universe. Entanglement would mean that particles could be connected across time and space and events could be correlated without anything causing them. […] Closely connected with the power of quantum computers and the security of quantum communications. So, even if experiments move closer to show real quantum correlations, we don’t really understand what they mean. Do you understand what they mean?” INSTEAD, YOU SHOULD TELL STUDENTS You might investigate the foundations, and check the math and the concepts that were mistakenly used (fair sampling) or underestimated (measurement crosstalk) and
conclude by yourself that Local Realism has not been experimentally rejected.That is what he did:
Especial, J. Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions Give our kids a break !
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Teresa Mendes wrote on Sep. 5, 2014 @ 22:26 GMT
MESSAGE TO (SOME) FQXi MEMBERS:
To Scot Aaronson:
Scott, we already "talked" on the possibility or not of having a scalable quantum computer in the future. To convince you, you defied me to convince the majority of the Physics Community. Here I am, doing my best.
To Gerard T'Hoft
Professor, we had lunch some years ago in Vienna, 2012, during an Emergent Quantum...
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MESSAGE TO (SOME) FQXi MEMBERS:
To Scot Aaronson:
Scott, we already "talked" on the possibility or not of having a scalable quantum computer in the future. To convince you, you defied me to convince the majority of the Physics Community. Here I am, doing my best.
To Gerard T'Hoft
Professor, we had lunch some years ago in Vienna, 2012, during an Emergent Quantum Mechanics, Conference. I have tried to reach you since then ... with no luck. Will now be a good opportunity?
To Roger Penrose
Professor, your contribution to Math and Physics is huge. Don't you want to, as a last grand effort, join this revolution? Your presence would be highly appreciated. Your voice is much louder than mine...
To Lee Smolin
You once wrote
"I am convinced that quantum mechanics is not a final theory. I believe this because I have never encountered an interpretation of the present formulation of quantum mechanics that makes sense to me"
I also read your "O romper das Cordas" book, in portuguese. Twice. I could completely put myself in our shoes. We both could point to an error in the foundations of a theory (yours being the String Theory, mine, Quantum Mechanics) and not many people are willing to listen.
Should we join forces?
To Joy Christian
Joy Cristian, you are a local realist. But we differ on our arguments: you defend Bell's Theorem is wrong, I defend Bell Theorem is right, but all the other Bell inequalities for experiments under non-ideal conditions, are not. And that is why local realism has not been experimentally rejected. Can you take the time, and are you humble enough, to have a serious look at this argument and, perhaps, overcome some of the "anti-bodys" other physicists have towards your ideas? You are a local realist! Your heart is already on the right place.
To Max Tegmark
Max, you are a founder of FQXi, an Institute that "catalyzes, supports, and disseminates research on questions at the foundations of physics and cosmology, particularly new frontiers and innovative ideas integral to a deep understanding of reality, but unlikely to be supported by conventional funding sources"
Thank you. As a non-physicist this was the first time I "dare" to appear in front of a scientific community defending new frontiers.
As a portuguese person, I believe in the success of pacific revolutions. Have you heard how Portugal did a political revolution, "with flowers", from a dictatorial regime to democracy (in 1974)? I was a teenager then. I have lived through one revolution. I'm willing to pursue another.
To Anton Zeilinger
Dear professor, I have seen your poll, "A Snapshot of Foundational Attitudes Toward Quantum Mechanics". Would you be so kind, to do another (easy) experiment? Can you ask your pollers to read J.Especial article, already published in a peer reviewed magazine in 2012,
arXiv:1205.4010
give them 3 months to, without pre-conceptual ideas, analyze it well, and then redo the poll? If there is no significant change ... I will pay you a lunch in the best portuguese restaurant in Lisbon. Agreed?
To Adam Cabello
Adam Cabello, you are (were) a dissident, following Emilio Santos line of thoughts. Today, as Dean of Physics Department in Sevilla University, you did a 642 pages comprehensive essay "Bibliographic guide to the foundations of quantum mechanics and quantum information".
I'm sure, any post-graduate student interested in the foundations of Physics, Teleportation or Quantum computation welcomed your article.
Can you please be so kind to include J.Especial article in your session I: F Bell Inequalities?
I'm sure, once you read it and acknowledge its scientific implications , you will find a place to put in your guide an article that concludes that there is no experimental evidence of the rejection of the the whole category of local realistic theories.
Sincerely,
Teresa
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Matthew Marsden wrote on Sep. 9, 2014 @ 17:34 GMT
Hi Teresa,
Thanks for your comments re voting, (please don't just give mine a "5", but whatever you genuinely think each deserves).
there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic on this site, so perhaps FQXI could do a bit of internet publicity - contacting science magazine pages etc ?
Also all the participants could send a few group emails, twitter, facebook, msgs to interested friends perhaps?
you are right, though we should be active, I will start looking and voting (honestly) around the videos.
ps : I seriously think seeing how the theory of time may be completely unfounded, and showing how Special relativity probably does not infact prove time, or time dilation, but only rate dilation, may be a very big part of the paradigm shift - a lot of (possibly) wasted thought and effort is going into trying to work out what "time" "is", and yet we don't see any proof of anything other than the fact matter exists and is changing.
all the best,
matt
"Does Time exist? How 'Time travel Paradoxes' can't happen without "the past".
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2245
"Time travel, Worm hole, billiard ball' paradox, Timelessly. (re Paul Davies- New scientist article) "
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2244
"Time Travel, Timeless Answers to Prof Brian Cox's Science of Dr WHO "
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2243
Vad S Bobrovski wrote on Sep. 9, 2014 @ 22:42 GMT
Hi, good act of self-action is our opportunity to set forth.
Best,
Vad
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 9, 2014 @ 23:57 GMT
Thank you ... I am doing my best! With all my heart!
ronald peter gruber wrote on Sep. 9, 2014 @ 22:45 GMT
Hi Teresa
Making a plea to change a prevailing theory of physics (whether it is referred to as a revolution of paradigm change) is a reasonable aspiration on your part. Kudos. However, Karl Popper whose picture is in your video would encourage you and all of us to apply the principle of falsifiability to achieve such goals. You or some other physicist will simply need to come up with experimental results that support your theory of choice. If you are correct, it will happen. You won’t need to plead with others to agree with you. They will do it on the basis of the merits of the experiment.
Ron Gruber
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 9, 2014 @ 23:56 GMT
Hi Ronald,
Thank you for your comments.
I think we are saying the same thing. A theory, to prevail, needs to be falsifiable. There has to be a test, an experimental test, that allow us to refute it and if refuted, discard it.
That is the case.
Bell experiments are the only experiments that aim the refutation of (all possible) local realistic theory(ies). [They are not...
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Hi Ronald,
Thank you for your comments.
I think we are saying the same thing. A theory, to prevail, needs to be falsifiable. There has to be a test, an experimental test, that allow us to refute it and if refuted, discard it.
That is the case.
Bell experiments are the only experiments that aim the refutation of (all possible) local realistic theory(ies). [They are not experiments fo prove entanglement, as you know. Accordingly to Popper, we can not prove ... just disprove).
They were fist proposed, in mid '30, by Einstein - the famous EPR paper; in '64 J.Bell proposed a theorem, and, when laser technology allowed, in late '70, experiments began being made.
For more than 40 years, they have been performed, with different experimental apparatus, and accordingly to J. Especial none has been able to reject local realism.
(Those who are not familiar (yet) with J.Especial's work, know that the all experiments have been performed with 'loopholes' and that there is not, at this time, any experiment that has closed all 'loopholes' in one experiment).
So... what can one conclude, when a paradigm - reality+locality, has been successively tested and the results of the test were, for all experiments, inconclusive?
Don't you agree that it means that local realism, was not experimentally rejected?
So why do teachers, renown physicists and all media say the opposite?
Don't you thing that this could be the reason there is so little funding and credibility for any local realist research for a new local realistic theory for quantum phenomena?
This theory does not, yet, exists, to be tested. I think because no one is looking for it. But once proposed, I agree with you, it has to be falsifiable too, and a test has to be proposed and performed.
The purpose of my plea is not for others to agree with me ... but to come with me, and shout:
"Physics needs a new local realistic theory, compatible with all the other sciences. Local realism has NOT been rejected."
Let it be funding, good will, creativity, community suport ... and don't lie to future researchers.
Don't you agree?
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Cristinel Stoica wrote on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 06:19 GMT
Hi Teresa,
I've watched your manifesto for questioning the foundations of quantum mechanics, and for searching a local realistic solution. I can't imagine a principle in physics which we should stop questioning. Principles are universal propositions, and they can be tested only in a finite number of situations, so we should never consider them proven forever, and stop testing them. Especially when they come with trouble.
You commented on my video
The puzzle of quantum reality, which contains an interpretation of quantum mechanics that gives, in my opinion, the closest thing to local realism we can get, and in the same time relies entirely on the standard formalism of quantum mechanics. Please watch it, and if you wish, please read my essays
Flowing with a Frozen River and
The Tao of It and Bit, in which I explain in more details.
Briefly, my view is that any measurement setup in QM has local real solutions. But: #1. The solution can be local, being a solution to Schrodinger's equation, but when we ask it to also be global, in the sense that it has to be extendible to the entire spacetime, the correlations follow. #2. The solution is real at any time, but depends also by the future measurements (contextuality, "delayed initial conditions"). This is better understood in the block world picture given by relativity, and in this case is just a particular case of #1. I tried to explain how this works in
my video, and in the above mentioned essays. And in
this video.
Best regards,
Cristi
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 14:49 GMT
Hi Cristi,
Thank you for your comment (and probably for your vote).
I have a question for you:
You said you have "an interpretation of quantum mechanics that gives, in my opinion, the closest thing to local realism we can get, and in the same time relies entirely on the standard formalism of quantum mechanics." , don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?
A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism, that of course should be compatible with all previous experimental evidence, and be falsifiable, but also bring something new.
Kuhn pointed out accuracy, consistency, scope, simplicity and fruitfulness as the rational aspects two competing theories would be compared upon.
My question, now: If you agree that "any measurement setup has local real solutions" why do you think you have to restrict yourself to the quantum mechanics formalism?
Can't you begin from scratch and invent a new solution?
(Much more easy to say it than do it, right? hehe. But Go for It, Physicists!! Change the paradigm!)
Best regards
Teresa
Cristinel Stoica replied on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 05:21 GMT
Hi Teresa,
"don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?"
No. To see that they are not in contradiction, you can check the links I gave you.
"A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism"
Say you have a smartphone, and you can only turn the screen on and off. Hence, you can only see the time displayed on the screen, so you think...
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Hi Teresa,
"don't you think that the two phrases are in contradiction?"
No. To see that they are not in contradiction, you can check the links I gave you.
"A new paradigm means, not only a new mindset, but also a new formalism"
Say you have a smartphone, and you can only turn the screen on and off. Hence, you can only see the time displayed on the screen, so you think that it is just a clock. But you would like to have a cell phone. You are prepared to toss this clock and buy a cell phone. Say that accidentally you discover how to unlock the screen, and use it as a phone. You realize that what you thought is a clock, it is in fact a smartphone. Would you still find justified to toss it and buy a cell phone?
"If you agree that "any measurement setup has local real solutions" why do you think you have to restrict yourself to the quantum mechanics formalism?"
If there will be experimental data which would go beyond the boundaries of quantum mechanics, then of course we will have to go beyond those boundaries with the formalism too. But since up to this point the boundaries of the experiments are precisely those of the theory, then I don't think I am restricting myself.
"Can't you begin from scratch and invent a new solution?" "Much more easy to say it than do it, right?"
This is in fact the easiest thing to do. There are a lot of great physicists who work in the foundations of quantum mechanics and try to reconstruct it from different principles and using different formalisms. Up to this point, their reconstructions either don't fit the data (give different inequalities), or are complicated by adding new axioms to make them reproduce the same data as QM. But if you follow them, you can see that they have brilliant, radically new ideas, based on new paradigms and so on. Whatever you ask for. And there are so many physicists working at local or realistic versions of QM. Your manifesto comes a bit late, because there are already so many trying to do this. Perhaps you are not satisfied with their work, but did you read it? I think even the smartest guys barely have enough time to read and understand all that is written every day on this subject. Up to this point, there were proposed hundreds of alternative formulations and formalisms of QM, but the simplest and most fit is the Hilbert space formalism. It is not that people don't try to solve these puzzles, they do. The one you should convince seems to be not them, but Nature. Nature doesn't seem to care about our taste.
You say that all experiments testing Bell's theorem have loopholes. This is an overstatement. To exploit those loopholes, Nature would have to be very sneaky, and to do this at purpose, and change the way to use the loopholes in different ways, depending on the experiment. So either nature violates Bell's inequalities, or obeys them using various complicated improvisations a la
Rube Goldberg. But anyway, say that testing Bell's theorem is not perfect so it must be wrong. How about the Kochen-Specker theorem? This doesn't even need an experiment to test it. It proves that QM is contextual. Also, are you aware that there are versions of Bell's theorem without inequalities? I doubt you can find loopholes based on imperfect measurements here.
So this is why I don't think I should toss the good old formalism. But please read my papers and watch my videos, where I try to explain why the old formalism still allows things considered forbidden by most scientists: measurement without collapse (in the real sense, not a la MWI or the misunderstood version of decoherence, where the collapse is swept under the carpet), and local and realistic solutions to Schrodinger's equation.
In a similar vein, people don't like singularities in GR and come with radically new theories. But when singularities are understood, we see that not only they are not bad, but they are even helpful (my other video is about this).
So I don't think physics lacks revolutionary ideas and new paradigms. Every day you will find on arxiv a new revolution, a new paradigm. The problem is that there are some that always win, when the math is checked, or when the experiments are performed. And that's why it seems that physicist are so short sighted and can't replace them with better ones: because they already found long time ago the best theories up to date. It doesn't mean that in the future we will not realize that something radically new is better, but this day is not today.
Cristi
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Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 18:38 GMT
Hi Christi
Thank you for answering.
You say: "And there are so many physicists working at local
or realistic versions of QM. Your manifesto comes a bit late, because there are already so many trying to do this."
See my point?
So let me rephrase:
What I think the fastest way to promote a paradigm shift in Physics is when scientists (and deciders of research funds ) accept that for the quantum phenomena there is a limit - like in Special Relativity there is a limit, nothing goes faster than the speed of light - and that limit is Local Realism. (and not local or realism)
That is the importance of recognizing, and not teaching the opposite, in what regards the experimental results of Bell tests.
Because local realism has not been rejected, Physicists should FIRST find a solution within that limitation, and not search for that solution all over the place.
Can I ask you something? It makes any sense for you, the claim J.Especial made, that in Bell tests under non-ideal detection, the respective inequalities, all, confused Fair Sampling with Perfect Correlation between Contrafactual Detections?
Looking forward for your answer
Teresa
Cristinel Stoica replied on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 20:45 GMT
Hi Teresa,
I see you emphasize the "or" in my phrase about the other approaches to QM, but you ignore the "and" in the phrase in which I discuss my own approach. It is difficult to judge someone's work only by a one sentence summary. But I understand that nobody can actually read carefully everything that is written. I wish you good luck with the paradigm shift which you promote, which is to replace the current paradigm in QM with a new one, which is actually the old one of local realism. On the other hand, you can probably see that there are many physicists still trying to find some local realistic approach to QM, but so far this didn't lead to significant progress. On the other hand, the others are the ones that advanced QM, both in theory and in applications. This doesn't mean that I consider them right, but only practical. I see that you consider that, because I don't reject Bell's theorem, I am against local realism. But I think this would be unfair, and I gave you some links that may help you understand my position, if you will be interested and decide to spend some time on this.
On the other hand, why wouldn't you find that new local realistic approach to QM which really is what you want?
I wish you good luck in your mission.
Best regards,
Cristi
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 12, 2014 @ 22:42 GMT
Hi Cristi
Glad you answered (but didn't answered my question ... chuiff).
When I commented on just one of your sentences, you should not think I didn't read all your post.
I appreciated it, and also the amount of time you have put on it.
The "or" phrase. That was the phrase that mostly "interested" me. Why? Exactly because the "or" part. The "or" is the part that...
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Hi Cristi
Glad you answered (but didn't answered my question ... chuiff).
When I commented on just one of your sentences, you should not think I didn't read all your post.
I appreciated it, and also the amount of time you have put on it.
The "or" phrase. That was the phrase that mostly "interested" me. Why? Exactly because the "or" part. The "or" is the part that shows that today' physicists think that Local Realism, was experimentally rejected. After all, that is what they have been told in school. So, if someone wants to research for an alternative to QM non-loca l+ non-realistic approach, the only hypotesis left are a non-local+realistic "or" non-realistc+local approach . And those are the "aceptable" alternatives.
You see why the "or" was so important?
As I see it, that is a big problem... if a student want's to research on a local realistic solution she (meaning he or she) can't find a supervisor for her PHD. Am I wrong?
"How about the Kochen-Specker theorem? This doesn't even need an experiment to test it."
It doesn't?? Math is Math, a cool science - the only exact science we have. But you do need experiments to test what makes sense in the real world. Physics is not an exact science, you always need to test your hypotesis with an experiment. Math is a tool. Math is not "the truth", and everything that math "says" doesn't necessarily have to be real.
[By the way, that is a major problem of QM. Because it is so counter-intuitive one have to rely of math to find the "truth". And it leads to completely exaggerated new hypothesis...]
Bell Test vs other things. Is there another test to disprove Local Realism? Teleportation and Quantum computer experimentalists: how they "know" that their particles are 'entangled'? They have to do something to test it - they do a Bell test.
Bell theorem, is ok. Every physicist (except Dr. J.Christian and al.) acceptes it. It is math. It uses inequalities to find the limits of Local Realism. Cool. The problem with the Bell tests is with the "transformed" Bell inequalities that have to be used to a particular experiment. That is the reason why I made you my important question. I really don't care about "loopholes" (but mainstream physicists do, and they teach the opposite).
"why wouldn't you find that new local realistic approach to QM which really is what you want?
True.
I want the world to have a local realist theory to explain quantum phenomena, that could make predictions in a broader scope than QM, for instance Gravity.
I want a theory that is consistent with all other sciences, from Chemistry (my area) to Cosmology.
I want a theory that can be used by engineers to develop new technologies, create value, and help the world to overcome this awful economic crisis.
I also want a theory that is as accurate as QM in its prediction .. but not a posteriori.
And also I want a theory whose formalist that doesn't need to be renormalized to give predictions.
Can I find it? Not alone, I can't.
But, what I believe, is that J.Especial found and put the finger where the problem of today's Physics is. And no one, or very few, are looking where the solution might be.
I want more. More physicists looking for that solution.
"I see that you consider that, because I don't reject Bell's theorem, I am against local realism."
(the publcized results of Bell tests, you mean ...)
I can't convince you .. can I ? hehe. No problem ... let's be friennemies!
I just want to change the way Physics is taught, and immensely improve the % of funding allocated for local realistic research. Easy.
For me, that is the necessary step to begin a scientific revolution.
One more time, thank you for your time, I do enjoy the time I spend 'talking' to you.
And ... if you have the time ... my question??
Best regards
Teresa
"I don't reject Bell's theorem, I am against local realism"
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Cristinel Stoica replied on Sep. 13, 2014 @ 18:22 GMT
Hi Teresa,
> The "or" phrase....
You extended the "or" phrase, but still avoided the "and" phrase from my very first post here :) Because of this you still don't understand me and consider me "friennemy". I gave you links to a view which I consider as local AND as realistic as it can, and still compatible with Bell and KS, and with unitary evolution, and with relativity. It may be...
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Hi Teresa,
> The "or" phrase....
You extended the "or" phrase, but still avoided the "and" phrase from my very first post here :) Because of this you still don't understand me and consider me "friennemy". I gave you links to a view which I consider as local AND as realistic as it can, and still compatible with Bell and KS, and with unitary evolution, and with relativity. It may be not what you want, but you still ignore it. You try to make all of us look like clones of Niels Bohr for some reason :)
Well, while the links I gave you at the beginning are "as local and realistic as possible", I actually have something that I consider even more local AND realistic. I mentioned in
a comment on FQXi's website a local realistic solution, which I actually don't consider true, but you may want to try it. (If you will read my comments on that page and on the related posts chronologically, you will see that I gave full consideration to the one you consider the only local realist alive, but his ideas were so wrong.)
I see that you consider theorems of Bell and Kochen-Specker as not being real, because they are "math". The point is, any theorem has three parts, a hypothesis, a proof, and a conclusion. To reject the conclusion, you have to find errors in the proof, or to show that the conditions in the hypothesis don't apply. In the case of QM, the conditions in the hypothesis are fulfilled. And they were not made "a posteriori" as you said. So you should show that the proof is wrong. In general, the proof is pure logic (although the propositions are mathematical), so if you don't find an error, you should to reject logic.
> if a student want's to research on a local realistic solution she (meaning he or she) can't find a supervisor for her PHD. Am I wrong?
Well, in a few hours I will fly to a conference where I will meet a lot of non-standard quantum theorists who have PhD students.
But assuming you are right, this isn't a problem. For my PhD I studied another tabu subject: singularities in general relativity. You see, people want to sell their own theories to replace GR, so they claim that GR is wrong because of singularities, so they don't want them to be fixed. I wanted to show that singularities are not bad, and are actually useful. Even after I succeeded, I had great difficulties because of this, and for two years I tried to find a new supervisor. I eventually found one, after I managed to publish several articles on the subject. Actually, eventually people even liked my results, although they are not very well known yet. So you see, there may be difficulties, so what?
Best regards,
Cristi
P.S. I think I will be unavailable the next days, as I mentioned.
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Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 15, 2014 @ 02:17 GMT
[What conference?] Are you coming back? I will come back, too.
See you soon.
Cristinel Stoica replied on Sep. 21, 2014 @ 09:03 GMT
Hi Teresa,
Here is
the link to the conference, and I am back.
Best regards,
Cristi
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 22, 2014 @ 22:37 GMT
Thank you, thank you, thank you Cristi
I followed your conference link and I found what I needed.
How was the conference?
Tell me ...
Teresa
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Joe Fisher wrote on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 13:54 GMT
Dear Teresa,
I have already rated your video. I do not know why each person is not allowed just to vote one star. That would be more fair than the graduated voting that is allowed. In the essay contest, my essay got perfect 10 ratings from a Physics Professor and two Doctorate Degree certificate holders. Yet my essay did not even qualify for the $1,000 consolation prize awarded to non-members for submitting a splendid effort.
Joe Fisher
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 15:02 GMT
Hi Joe
As I said to Christi, in the last post: Go for it, Physicists! Change the paradigm!
And you are trying, don't give up!
You have made your point, in this (small) community. We have heard you: "The biggest myth physicists have about their abstract universe is that abstract light has an abstract linear constant speed when it is shot through a vacuum. Real light is the only real stationary substance in the real Universe."
The rating is not over, yet. And, if anybody has listen to me (hehe) soon there will be funding for all local realistic research.
Best regards
Teresa
madeleine richter wrote on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 20:37 GMT
Hi Theresa,
I can feel you try with all your effort to make a change in physics happen - a science you seem to have a lot passion and dedication for. This is admirable and at times when I struggle with animation, illustration, drawing - things I love - I shall be reminded of the way you pursue your goal. I wish I could plug myself into the actual debate you're involved in and contribute more to the discourse you wish to have - but my knowledge is to limited too join the debate on a satisfactory level.
I hope you find the chance to check out our
video and tell us what you think. If you could vote for us it would be really appreciated, since as you mentioned earlier, votes count for all of us and we would like to share support and appreciation.
Madeleine
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Mark Edward Prince wrote on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 21:50 GMT
Hi Theresa, you have got my vote and l look forward to receiving yours for my video http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2136 ”convection? heat transfer? Who cares?". Good luck in the competition!!!
Ramona Leigh Taylor wrote on Sep. 10, 2014 @ 22:02 GMT
Nice video. Interesting points!
Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 01:38 GMT
I agree with your premise Theresa..
Physics does need a shift, if it is to remain scientific, and maybe it is time for a local realistic revolution. A lot of the luminary figures you have talked about/to in the comments above are seeking for a way to create local realistic theories from which quantum mechanics is emergent. But nobody wants to even try to slay the giant, unless they have a theory in hand, and those who try (like Dr. Christian) get slapped down mighty hard by the QM establishment.
I guess I'm saying there will have to be quite compelling reasons to adopt a new view, before the world-view that embraces non-locality and entanglement can be laid to rest. Good luck in your crusade! You are likely to need it.
All the Best,
Jonathan
Peter Jackson wrote on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 12:56 GMT
Hi Teresa,
Top marks, and Especial's proof isn't the only one. I showed in my essay this year how a real local classical mechanism can produce the effects considered as 'non-local', summarised here;
Classical reproduction of quantum correlations.It's achieved just by changing one fundamental assumption inherited by Bell.I hope you'll read it and comment. I'm quite convinced it will contribute to the long overdue paradigm shift, if entrenched academic inertia will now allow any such shifts at all!
Best of luck
Peter
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 17:14 GMT
Hi Peter,
I followed your link and found lots of interesting articles to read.
This one https://www.academia.edu/1917950/SUBJUGATION_OF_SCEPTICISM_I
N_SCIENCE stroke my curiosity: man, you write much better than me ... hehe
I will comment on your Classical Reproduction ...soon, but meanwhile let me try to put my ideas in one sentence.
What I think the fastest way to promote a paradigm shift in Physics is when scientists (and deciders of research funds ) accept that for the quantum phenomena there is a limit - like in Special Relativity there is a limit, the speed of light - and that limit is local realism.
That is the importance of recognizing, and not teaching the opposite, in what regards the experimental results of Bell tests.
Because local realism has not been rejected, Physicists should FIRST find a solution within that limitation, and not search for that solution all over the place.
Don't you think? (Ok. It was 3 sentences.)
Thank you, I think I will need a little bit of luck.
Teresa
Member Marc Séguin wrote on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 20:00 GMT
Teresa,
I watched your video and I want to thank you for bringing to my attention the fact that experiments (like Aspect's) that attempt to disprove the possibility of local realism are subject to loopholes such as Fair Sampling and Measurement Crosstalk. I found J. Especial's paper "Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions" too technical for me, but I have been "enlightened" on the subject by reading Wikipedia's articles "Loopholes in Bell test experiments", "Local hidden variable theory" and "Superdeterminism".
Of course, the fact that there are loopholes in these experiments do not prove that local realism holds, so entanglement and "spooky action at a distance" are very much still in the running... All we can say with certainty is that the jury is still out... but isn't it always the case in science?! As Cristinel Stoica pointed in his post on your forum, there will always be physicists who try to imagine new theories, and it is a good thing. We know that, at some point, there will have to be some major shift, since General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are incompatible. As we say in french, "Qui vivra verra!"
I rated your video... and when you come around to rating videos, if you could take a look at my video "Physics Into Darkness", who is one vote short of getting 10 votes, it would be quite appreciated. Here's the direct link:
http://www.fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2197
Good luck in the contest, and keep thinking outside of the box!
Marc
Adam Katcher wrote on Sep. 11, 2014 @ 22:59 GMT
Hello Teresa,
thanks for commenting on our video. Your video is interesting, but I am puzzled about the claim that the experimental verification that local realism is just lore. Are there other experiments that confirm it?
Also, great soundtrack!
In case you didn't yet, feel free to look up our video, in which we discuss what is quantum gravity, present an existing solution and give examples of applications and future directions:
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2221
Don't forget to rate it!
Best,
--Pedro
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 16, 2014 @ 18:46 GMT
Hi Pedro (are you portuguese?)
Just saw your video and rated it.
"I am puzzled about the claim that the experimental verification that local realism is just lore. Are there other experiments that confirm it? "
To my knowledge Bell tests are the only experiments that specifically aim to reject Local Realism. There are other theoretical attempts, theorems, but not experimental evidences came out of those theorems.
And do you know what happens when, over and over again, an attempt to reject (a whole category) of theories have been performed and none has successfully achieved it? That means that Local Realism is still a viable alternative to Quantum Mechanics.
And you, students have a choice to pursue the path you feel is correct.
And talking about quantum gravity ... wouldn't it be better to begin with a theory consistent with GR, that is also a local realistic theory?
Will you debate this between you?
I will be here, if you need more information.
Best of luck in the contest.
Teresa
Schatzie Dudee wrote on Sep. 12, 2014 @ 17:58 GMT
Nice video! You're right - quantum physics is counter-intuitive. Great point! Please rate my 2 videos, if you don't mind so that we can also move on to the next level.
Have a great day!
Schatzie Dudee
Michael muteru wrote on Sep. 13, 2014 @ 11:47 GMT
Dear maam
fantastic video very revolutionary.tell them the first man to measure the size of the earth- eratosthenes used a simple stick and shadow it cast on the ground.given a five i too have a simple video of how the universe can be presented on a notebook here- http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2223,hoope you too take your time to vote for me thanks.
Henri Vonn De Roule wrote on Sep. 14, 2014 @ 22:56 GMT
Dear Dr. Mendes:
Thank you for trying to shake up a science that is still in the late 19th century!!!
Einstein and most other physicists have been looking at the world in macro terms. The question of the existence of time is becoming more mainstream and as we delve into the quantum world we are finding the "spooky action at a distance" to be the norm. When one delves into the quantum world and leaves behind classical physics it is like leaving the English measuring system and accepting the metric system. There are still some holdouts there as well.
We should tell our students that it is up to them to decide whether the information provided is correct, and if they feel it is not, to pursue the path they feel is correct.
Great work!!
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 15, 2014 @ 02:15 GMT
ronald peter gruber wrote on Sep. 17, 2014 @ 18:37 GMT
the problem is clearly presented
I would have liked to see some proposed solutions
thanks
ron
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 18, 2014 @ 03:05 GMT
Hi, Ron
I 'm glad you asked.
If you want to know if I have a new quantum theory local and realistic for quantum phenomena in my hand? I must say I don't.
If you want to know, in my opinion, what is the easier and fastest way to achieve one? That, I can answer.
We are here, today, because of a simple video contest, within one of the most influential physics community...
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Hi, Ron
I 'm glad you asked.
If you want to know if I have a new quantum theory local and realistic for quantum phenomena in my hand? I must say I don't.
If you want to know, in my opinion, what is the easier and fastest way to achieve one? That, I can answer.
We are here, today, because of a simple video contest, within one of the most influential physics community in the world - the FQXi community.
Between its members (and followers) we can find people that, because of their achievements (and media attention) have this capacity to act as catalysts of one big idea, if there is a consensus to correct an error made in the past.
And this consensus is (relatively) easy to achieve: they just have to agree that there was a way Physics could have gone, in parallel with Quantum Mechanics, that was systematically suppressed to generations and generations of physicists.
(if we begin counting on A.Aspect 1981/82 experiments) For more than 30 years, students have been told, and I quote:
"Actually Bell's theorem is a really great time saver. If you are a theoretical physicist , from time to time, [...] you will get a topic in the mail, from a crackpot. And the crackpot will have a theory about how the world really works. And you feel quite like obliged to maybe read it, because you are funded by a government grant ... but ... if you find out that his theory is a local hidden variable theory ... you don't have to read any further. You know it is wrong!
You can exclude a whole class of theories! "
[PIRSA:10090018 "Quantum Theory (PHYS 605) - Lecture 7", by Ben Schumacher ]
So what is my proposed solution?
1. FWXi could promote a serious discussion over J.Especial findings, and take a position over whether or not these new generalizations of Bell inequalities are now correctly formulated.
2. The conclusion should be transmitted to the whole physics community, both theoretical and experimental.The result of this action could have a huge impact in the future of Physics. Also, the experimentalists could focus on experiments on the "triangle" where one could find conclusive results, and not waste time with Bell experiments with efficiency detection less than 76%.
2. Funding. FQXi could promote the idea, that, to correct a 30' year error, a quota for local realistic research funds could be drawn, to encourage new brilliant physicists (that are also exquisite mathematicians) to use their imagination and skills and present the world new solutions.
Don't you think this could be the beginning of a scientific revolution?
Sincerely
Teresa
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Teresa Mendes wrote on Sep. 24, 2014 @ 12:50 GMT
Dear all FQXi Video contestants
I did something wrong, it seams. I posted my letter to Prof. 'T.Hooft, in (almost) all your forum areas, and that is against FQXi guidelines. Sorry about that. It is the revolutionary fuss ... hehe. I won't do it again. I wish we had a forum for all of us to post and be notified by mail. I also posted in the Discussion Forum "Why Quantum", with the title "Why quantum? Why not Local Realism?" and I got some answers.
Because it was reported as incorrect, all posts were deleted, including the comments. Even the one I wrote here.
The news is: I got an answer from Prof. 'T.Hooft.
Are you interested in following this discussion? I can't publish his comments, without his authorization, of course, but I can post my answers.
Should I post them here? Will anybody see them?
I'm still here, fighting for a scientific revolution, I'm not going anywhere.
Sincerely
Teresa
Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Sep. 26, 2014 @ 00:34 GMT
Yes I'm interested..
In general Teresa, it is OK to reprint comments made by scientists in correspondence, if they are topical (concerning local realism in this case) or general rather than personal in nature - so long as it is cited as coming from personal correspondence and not treated as though it was published work. So stating something like; "in his reply Gerard said..." is usually OK without further permissions - which can be annoying to provide.
For the record; the initial 't' is not capitalized, and when pronounced his name has a leading vowel - so it sounds like ut Hooft, rather than tuh Hooft.
If it seems OK given the above criteria, bring it on, or share a few excerpts you think are worthwhile to repeat.
All the Best,
Jonathan
Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Sep. 26, 2014 @ 00:38 GMT
I am hoping you will have time to rate and comment on my video..
Can the Mandelbrot Set help us understand the Cosmos?Regards,
Jonathan
Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Sep. 26, 2014 @ 03:56 GMT
Thanks Teresa,
For the kind remarks left on my comments page.
You would like my companion Music Video:
Mandelbrot Butterfly SafariAll the Best,
Jonathan
Teresa Mendes replied on Sep. 26, 2014 @ 17:20 GMT
Hi Jonathan
I love when people take the time to explain newcomers the "rules". Thank you.
I wish we had a place to "talk", not in "my" forum or "your" forum so that we both could be notified by mail.
So here is my answer to Gerard (hehe) when he said, in a mail to me 23Sept14, "Dear Teresa,
Thank you for your mail. I understand your point but I don't quite agree with...
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Hi Jonathan
I love when people take the time to explain newcomers the "rules". Thank you.
I wish we had a place to "talk", not in "my" forum or "your" forum so that we both could be notified by mail.
So here is my answer to Gerard (hehe) when he said, in a mail to me 23Sept14, "Dear Teresa,
Thank you for your mail. I understand your point but I don't quite agree with it. I realise that photons cannot be detected with absolute accuracy and reliability, but the question is whether this is a sufficiently essential element of quantum mechanics to explain the apparent violations of the Bell inequality. I don't think so [,,,] Cordially, Gerard 't Hooft"
=================
"Dear Prof. Gerard ‘t Hooft,
Thank you so much for your reply. Please let me restate my point regarding photon detection efficiency to make it as clear as I possibly can.
Quantum theory predicts that photons, being fundamental particles, are potentially detectable with 100% efficiency.
No physical photon detector to this date has even come close to that (latest detectors, after decades of technological development, have at most quantum efficiencies in the low 70s%).
Is this not evidence of a prediction of QT that is not confirmed by experimental evidence?
All this talk about quantum detection efficiencies may seem, at first sight, too much attention over a minor detail.
But in fact it is not. Through Bell’s theorem, local-realism places a upper bound of 76% on photon detection efficiency in Bell experiments.
The fact that real photon detectors have not broken through this bound means that no Bell experiment ever displayed behavior inconsistent with local-realism and this is strong evidence that local-realism is a property of the universe.
QT, unfortunately, is incompatible with local-realism and thus may not be a correct description of the universe.
The fact that many predictions made by QT have been experimentally corroborated, as Quine often pointed out, does not imply that it is the only theory that can be consistent with that evidence.
Other theories may exist which are also consistent with that evidence and possibly one (or more) of these may well be consistent with local-realism as well.
In fact, your CA approach is exactly one such alternative.
Shouldn´t significant resources be allocated to the search for these alternatives right now?
Can you help me in this cause?
(I noticed that the link for my FQXi Video Contest was not correct.
Here it is: http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2246 )
I'm always here.
Sincerely
Teresa
====================================
And now? Do you think he will answer me back?
May be this is only a coincidence, but today I receive a (standard) invitation from Foundations of Physics to publish. Something that had never happen before. Nice coincidence, no?
Still here
Teresa
PS: fractal images and music?? Jonathan, you are an artist!
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Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Nov. 3, 2014 @ 23:23 GMT
Re: invitation from Foundations of Physics
Since 't Hooft is the head editor, it's probably no coincidence. Better make your case both compelling and air-tight though.
And I see you have come out on top of the public ratings.
Good luck,
Jonathan
Teresa Mendes replied on Nov. 6, 2014 @ 05:42 GMT
Thank you Jonathan,
I'm counting on FQXI to make it compelling and air-tight.
All the best
Teresa
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Teresa Mendes wrote on Nov. 6, 2014 @ 05:36 GMT
Hi all
Waiting for the results of this FQXI video context, I’m still working on the quest towards a revolutionary phase in the Physics arena based on two fundamental strategies:
- changing the way the physics community think and teach undergraduate students towards the “consensus" that Local Realism has not been experimentally rejected, so both, local realism and quantum...
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Hi all
Waiting for the results of this FQXI video context, I’m still working on the quest towards a revolutionary phase in the Physics arena based on two fundamental strategies:
- changing the way the physics community think and teach undergraduate students towards the “consensus" that Local Realism has not been experimentally rejected, so both, local realism and quantum mechanics are equally viable basis for the interpretation of quantum phenomena;
- and because local realism has been, for more than 5 decades, deprived of funds, actively promote in institutes and universities for a reasonable quota of funds for that line of research.
I have been looking into two recent prestigious conferences on the Foundations of Physics:
- 2013, Emergent Quantum Mechanics, in Vienna (1)
- 2014, Quantum Theory from Problems to Advances – QTPA, at Linnaeus University, Sweden (2)
Like the FQXI community, both conferences actively search for a more deep understanding of reality, all researchers struggle on the “Bell's problem”, and already a lot of researchers, like Prof. t’Hooft , defend that the solution could be in on causal, deterministic foundation, meaning based on a local realistic paradigm, against the majority of the Physics Community.
How hard, FQXI Community, can it be to promote a serious discussion over J.Especial’s article “Bell Inequalities under non ideal conditions” (3), without prejudices over the “credibility” of an outsider, and if agreeing with the conclusion, join your efforts to make the world of Physics much more exciting thus contributing for economic sustainable progress for the whole planet, in the next few decades?
I have a dream? Yes I do. And I invite all of you to share it.
I can’t finish this post without thanking all my portuguese friends that help me get the necessary attention of this community.
Thank you, Portugal.
And thank you FQXI.
Sincerely
Teresa Mendes
(1)
2013 Emergent Quantum Mechanics (2)
2014 QTPA, at Linnaeus University, Sweden (3)
Especial,J. Bell inequalities under non-ideal conditions
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Một nhà xưởng trong hệ thống nhà xưởng TPHCM
Nhà xưởng cho thuê tại TP HCM đa dạng về diện tích.
- Để đáp ứng được nhu cầu kho xưởng của rất nhiều doanh nghiệp có nhu cầu thuê kho xưởng gần trung tâm TP HCM, chúng tôi cung cấp 1 hệ thống nhà xưởng đa dạng về diện tích, với nhiều thiết kế khách nhau nhằm phù hợp với nhiều ngành nghề của khách. Và hệ thống nhà xưởng cho thuê này phân bố rộng rãi, nhiều diện tích cho thuê tại các quận ven xung quanh thành phố. Với sự phân bố đều và diện tích cho thuê đa dạng, hệ thống của chúng tôi sẽ giúp quý khách dễ dàng chọn được một vị trí ưng ý, sao cho thuận tiện nhất tại TP HCM để đặt nhà xưởng và phát triển dài lâu.
TP HCM được bao quanh bởi rất nhiều KCN tại các quận vùng ven.
Và để đáp ứng hàng hóa cho trung tâm kinh tế lớn thứ hai của cả nước, những vùng ven, ngoại ô thành phố chính là nơi trở thành trung tâm sản xuất hàng hóa cho thành phố, như: Quận 7, nhà Bè, Quận 2, Quận 9, Thủ Đức, Hóc Môn, Củ Chi, Bình Chánh...vv...Và tại đây, hệ thống nhà xưởng liên tục được xây dưng và phát triển trong các khu công nghiệp quanh trung tâm thành phố, nhằm đáp ứng cho nhu cầu sản xuất kinh doanh của các doanh nghiệp trong và ngoài nước. Chúng ta có khá nhiều các KCN như sau:
+ KCN Tân Tạo, Bình tân.
+ KCN Hiệp Phước, Nhà Bè
+ KCX Tân Thuận, Quận 7.
+ KCN Cát Lái, Quận 2.
+ Khu Công Nghệ cao, Thủ Đức.
.....vvv...
Như vậy, với rất nhiều những KCN cũng như hệ thống cho thuê kho xưởng đa dạng về diện tích sẽ giúp quý doanh nghiệp có được sự lựa chọn tốt nhất nhà xưởng cho doanh nghiệp của mình.
Đối tác liên kết.
Trước tình hình trên, công ty TNHH Toàn Việt Real chúng tôi phụ trách về việc tìm kiếm, giới thiệu và cho thuê kho xưởng TP HCM nhằm giúp cho quý khách tìm kiếm được mặt bằng kho xưởng sản xuất nhanh nhất, hiệu quả nhất. Hệ thống nhà xưởng của chúng tôi đa dạng về diện tích, ưu đãi về giá cả và dịch vụ, đồng thời thuận tiện giao thông và giao thương.
Cho thuê kho xưởng TP HCM
Chung toi chuyen hỗ trợ cho thuê kho xưởng.
- Là đơn vị hoạt động lâu năm trong ngành cho thuê kho xưởng, chúng tôi hiểu được nhu cầu thiết thực của khách hàng, nên sẽ hỗ trợ được cho quý khách một cách tốt nhất và hiệu quả nhất, để quý khách có thể hoàn toàn yên tâm khi đến với chúng tôi, và công ty Toàn Việt Real luôn mãi là điểm đến tin cậy của khách hàng trong và ngoài nước. Mọi thông tin xin liên hệ chúng tôi qua số hotline - 0913 10 5544 hoặc 0939 287 389
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TOAN VIET REAL wrote on Jul. 31, 2020 @ 01:33 GMT
KHO XƯỞNG TP HCM
NHỮNG LỢI ÍCH KHI THUÊ KHO XƯỞNG TẠI TP HCM
Tiêu chuẩn về cho thuê kho xưởng tphcm.
+ Các khu công nghiệp, cụm công nghiệp cho thuê kho xưởng tphcm phải đạt được các tiêu chuẩn về chất lượng tốt. Kho xưởng cho thuê phải được xây dựng kiên cố và đảm bảo được sức bền, khả...
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KHO XƯỞNG TP HCM
NHỮNG LỢI ÍCH KHI THUÊ KHO XƯỞNG TẠI TP HCM
Tiêu chuẩn về cho thuê kho xưởng tphcm.
+ Các khu công nghiệp, cụm công nghiệp cho thuê kho xưởng tphcm phải đạt được các tiêu chuẩn về chất lượng tốt. Kho xưởng cho thuê phải được xây dựng kiên cố và đảm bảo được sức bền, khả năng chịu lực, chịu tải. Phần lớn các kho xưởng khi xây dựng đều được sử dụng thép tiền chế làm khung xưởng, vừa dễ lắp ráp, vừa cứng cáp và chịu lực, chịu nặng tốt. Tường xung quanh có thể bằng tôn hoặc tường xây một nửa, hình thức này thường là những kho xưởng truyền thống. Còn những kho cao tầng thì thường được xây dựng bằng tường gạch để đảm bảo độ dày của tường và cũng tạo sự chắc chắn, kiên cố hơn.
+ Khi các nhà đầu tư cho thuê kho xưởng tphcm là phải tạo được sự yên tâm cho khách hàng về cấu trúc nhà xưởng, trong đó nền móng chính là một trong những phần quan trọng nhất. Về nền móng, phải được xây dựng kiên cố, chống lún, chống ngập, đảm bảo được trọng tải chất hàng. Với những kho xưởng trệt độ chịu nặng thường là 5 tấn/m2, còn kho cao tầng thì sẽ chịu lực phải lớn hơn, ví dụ như nhà xưởng cao tầng cho thuê tại khu chế xuất Tân Thuận tầng trệt là 5 tấn/m2, còn các tầng khác là 4 tấn/ m2.
+ Hệ thống cửa ra vào của kho xưởng phải dễ dàng, rộng rãi, phải dễ vận chuyển hàng hóa, xe container có thể dy chuyển vào tận nơi cần chất hoặc dỡ hàng. Hệ thống PCCC phải bố trí hợp lý, có đường hành làng cho xe cứu hỏa chạy khi cần thiết. Hệ thống ống nước, cấp nước và thoát nước phải đầy đủ, vệ sinh môi trường đạt chuẩn tốt và có bể thu gom, và hệ thống xử lý nước thải. Bên cạnh đó nguồn điện dành cho kho xưởng được chúng tôi đảm bảo luôn ở mức tốt nhất cho hoạt động sản xuất kinh doanh. Có thể cung cấp cho doanh nghiệp nguồn điện 3 pha và điện từ các bình hạ thế như 350 kvs, 500kva...
Phân loại hình thức cho thuê kho xưởng tphcm.
+ Cho thê theo dạng khối: Đây là hình thức cho thuê theo số lượng hàng hóa nhập về, thường sẽ được tính bằng số lượng khối đóng gói hoặc theo balét. Dạng kho cho thuê như vậy thường bao gồm cả sự quản lý của chủ kho, bao gồm cả bảo vệ 24/7, chi phí bốc xếp và bảo quản hàng hóa. Hình thức thuê này thường được áp dụng tại các công ty cho thuê kho kiểu Logictic. Có thể có cả kho lạnh cho các công ty về rượu hoặc hàng thực phẩm.
+ Cho thuê theo m2: Đây là hình thức cho thuê kho theo kiểu truyền thống, tính m2 và tính tiền thuê. Dạng cho thuê này sẽ có trong các khu công nghiệp, khu chế xuất hoặc các công ty kho bãi. Hình thức thuê này ít nhất khách hàng cũng phải thuê là 200m2 trở lên, còn diện tích lơn hơn nữa là bao nhiêu thì tùy theo nhu cầu của khách. Nếu thuê theo hình thức này trong các khu công nghiệp sẽ được công ty quản lý hỗ trợ chăm sóc về mặt bằng, kỹ thuật.
Thuận lợi về vị trí.
Chúng tôi cho thuê kho xưởng TP HCM với rất nhiều những thuận lợi mang đến cho quý doanh nghiệp, các nhà đầu tư trong và ngoài nước. Tiền thân của Thành Phố Hồ Chí Minh là Sài Gòn, được mệnh danh là hòn ngọc Viễn Đông, một nơi tập trung nhiều nghành công nghiệp, thương nghiệp và dịch vụ. Đến sau năm 1975, Sài Gòn chính thức đổi tên là thành phố Hồ Chí Minh, và tiếp tục phát triển trở thành 1 trong 2 trung tâm văn hóa, kinh tế chính trị của cả nước, do đó, thương nghiệp và dịch vụ là một trong những nghành nghề phát triển mạnh mẽ nhất tại đây.
Cho thuê kho xưởng TPHCM là giúp cho các doanh nghiệp có được những thuận lợi như sau:
+ TP HCM là một thị trường tiêu thụ các loại hàng hóa mạnh nhất, nên khi đặt nhà xưởng gần trung tâm TPHCM là các doanh nghiệp đang sở hữu một thị trường nội địa cực tốt để phát triển lâu dài.
+ Có được một nguồn nhân sự dồi dào, tài năng và tay nghề giỏi, giúp quý công ty xây dựng được một bộ máy nhân sự chất lượng.
+ TP HCM có một hệ thống sông lớn bao quanh với nhiều bến cảng sâu, khiến tàu có trọng tải lớn có thể ra vào, giúp ích rất lớn cho việc xuất nhập khẩu hàng hóa hoặc nguyên vật liệu.
+ Gần cảng hàng không quốc tế lớn nhất nước là sân bay Tân Sơn Nhất.
+ Giao thông thuận tiện để lưu chuyển và giao thương với các tỉnh thành lân cận như Đồng Nai, Bình Dương, Vũng tàu, Long An...
.....vv......
Như vậy, TP HCM chính là một nơi tuyệt vời để đặt nhà xưởng ổn định và phát triển lâu dài.
một trong những kho xưởng cho thuê tại Q.7
Một nhà xưởng trong hệ thống nhà xưởng TPHCM
Nhà xưởng cho thuê tại TP HCM đa dạng về diện tích.
- Để đáp ứng được nhu cầu kho xưởng của rất nhiều doanh nghiệp có nhu cầu thuê kho xưởng gần trung tâm TP HCM, chúng tôi cung cấp 1 hệ thống nhà xưởng đa dạng về diện tích, với nhiều thiết kế khách nhau nhằm phù hợp với nhiều ngành nghề của khách. Và hệ thống nhà xưởng cho thuê này phân bố rộng rãi, nhiều diện tích cho thuê tại các quận ven xung quanh thành phố. Với sự phân bố đều và diện tích cho thuê đa dạng, hệ thống của chúng tôi sẽ giúp quý khách dễ dàng chọn được một vị trí ưng ý, sao cho thuận tiện nhất tại TP HCM để đặt nhà xưởng và phát triển dài lâu.
TP HCM được bao quanh bởi rất nhiều KCN tại các quận vùng ven.
Và để đáp ứng hàng hóa cho trung tâm kinh tế lớn thứ hai của cả nước, những vùng ven, ngoại ô thành phố chính là nơi trở thành trung tâm sản xuất hàng hóa cho thành phố, như: Quận 7, nhà Bè, Quận 2, Quận 9, Thủ Đức, Hóc Môn, Củ Chi, Bình Chánh...vv...Và tại đây, hệ thống nhà xưởng liên tục được xây dưng và phát triển trong các khu công nghiệp quanh trung tâm thành phố, nhằm đáp ứng cho nhu cầu sản xuất kinh doanh của các doanh nghiệp trong và ngoài nước. Chúng ta có khá nhiều các KCN như sau:
+ KCN Tân Tạo, Bình tân.
+ KCN Hiệp Phước, Nhà Bè
+ KCX Tân Thuận, Quận 7.
+ KCN Cát Lái, Quận 2.
+ Khu Công Nghệ cao, Thủ Đức.
.....vvv...
Như vậy, với rất nhiều những KCN cũng như hệ thống cho thuê kho xưởng đa dạng về diện tích sẽ giúp quý doanh nghiệp có được sự lựa chọn tốt nhất nhà xưởng cho doanh nghiệp của mình.
Đối tác liên kết.
Trước tình hình trên, công ty TNHH Toàn Việt Real chúng tôi phụ trách về việc tìm kiếm, giới thiệu và cho thuê kho xưởng TP HCM nhằm giúp cho quý khách tìm kiếm được mặt bằng kho xưởng sản xuất nhanh nhất, hiệu quả nhất. Hệ thống nhà xưởng của chúng tôi đa dạng về diện tích, ưu đãi về giá cả và dịch vụ, đồng thời thuận tiện giao thông và giao thương.
Cho thuê kho xưởng TP HCM
Chung toi chuyen hỗ trợ cho thuê kho xưởng.
https://khoxuongchothuegiare.vn/kho-xuong-tphcm
- Là đơn vị hoạt động lâu năm trong ngành cho thuê kho xưởng, chúng tôi hiểu được nhu cầu thiết thực của khách hàng, nên sẽ hỗ trợ được cho quý khách một cách tốt nhất và hiệu quả nhất, để quý khách có thể hoàn toàn yên tâm khi đến với chúng tôi, và công ty Toàn Việt Real luôn mãi là điểm đến tin cậy của khách hàng trong và ngoài nước. Mọi thông tin xin liên hệ chúng tôi qua số hotline - 0913 10 5544 hoặc 0939 287 389
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