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Author Margarita Iudin wrote on Apr. 23, 2014 @ 15:38 GMT
Essay AbstractAlthough human self-awareness, constrained and fallible, lacks knowledge about position of human life in the hierarchy of cellular life, there is an accurate understanding that this position has been changing with time. The Holocene climate conditions made possible the booming growth of human population and technoscience advances, especially in chemical, biochemical and information technologies. We suggest that ongoing extension of the limits of specific human consciousness has been predisposed by unknown needs and interests of total cellular life and the living Earth. It seems that human consciousness is impending great changes. In our view, all the applied science and technological innovations is not more than an imitation and reflection on the already existed phenomena of nonhuman life forms. We believe that technoscience achievements have become possible due to analogous imagining in cellular life observers. Human analogous thinking is a kind of analogous imagining. To create mental analogs, human observers employ topological mapping, or Gestalt imagining. For example, human observers employ topological mapping over the physical network of brain cells and signals.
Author BioM. Sc in physics and engineering polymath, background in physics, mathematical modeling and hardware/software engineering Special interests: Earth sciences, cognitive science, futurism
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Georgina Woodward wrote on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 01:14 GMT
Hi Margarita,
it was interesting to read your explanations of vision, imagination, thought, and the consciousness of nonhuman life. I find it strange the thought that, Quote: "our human consciousness is limited by the unknown needs of the total cellular life and the living Earth". What does that mean? Is it that without taking care of the needs of the living Earth human consciousness will...
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Hi Margarita,
it was interesting to read your explanations of vision, imagination, thought, and the consciousness of nonhuman life. I find it strange the thought that, Quote: "our human consciousness is limited by the unknown needs of the total cellular life and the living Earth". What does that mean? Is it that without taking care of the needs of the living Earth human consciousness will decline or become extinct? Or are you implying some kind of control of human consciousness by the totality of consciousness in all forms?
I found it strange that you left the how to steer to the very end. You wrote "The future of humanity is in an optimal transformation of the human conscience and physical body." That sounds like evolution to me. But do you have some kind of brain extension, body enhancement, trans-human future in mind? You have not made it clear.
Quote" Analogical imaging is essentially the methodology common to an exploration of the physical world and transformation of the life forms.It is possible to "steer the future" of humanity by means of analogical imagining." From what I can gather that is a way of saying observing and imagining.Is that right? Which are I agree necessary steps to take.Is that all? Or are you implying something more such bio-engineering?
Quote "In a meantime, the right thing to do is to enjoy the immediate expression of life in a human form." You have not convinced me on this point.
Unfortunate typo. highlighted in bold. Quote:"For example,
lighting impact is materialized in the moments of enlightenment that people accidently experience during the imagining. To better understand
lightning impact, one can use an analogy with time-manipulated replication of one-dimensional cellular automata where any living cell [and any sub-system], has cognitive abilities to anticipate its state one step in the future, and the upper-level system is allowed to correct the past over many iterations. At certain conditions,
lightning impact brings with itself an enlighten experience [a moment of enlightenment]. Enlighten experiences instigate human awareness of nonlocal consciousness and inspire people to want to learn more about self." End quote.
IMHO Enlightenment is a state of consciousness that can be achieved in a number of ways, one is through chemical means that affect the biochemistry of the brain. Specifically serotonin levels.I do not understand what you mean about time-manipulated replication... It sounds more like growth and repair of a biological system rather than enlightenment.A growing organism can carry out repair of defects but I don't see how consciousness can affect the past.
Some references might have helped. Thank you for making me think. Georgina
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 02:55 GMT
Hello:
1."..human consciousness is limited by the unknown needs of the total cellular life and the living Earth"
The needs of the total cellular life and the living Earth are unknown. We put our human needs in a front row and project them to the other cellular life forms. Do we really know what human needs are? happiness, intellectual and practical success, good health, fine food, a...
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Hello:
1."..human consciousness is limited by the unknown needs of the total cellular life and the living Earth"
The needs of the total cellular life and the living Earth are unknown. We put our human needs in a front row and project them to the other cellular life forms. Do we really know what human needs are? happiness, intellectual and practical success, good health, fine food, a variety of impressions making us feel what it means to be in this world?
What for does corporeal life exist? If you have a reasonable answer to this question you can proceed questionings about needs of the corporeal life.
There is no complete answer. Goethe said that we live to live (to experience what this world is and what we are capable to). A biologist would say that cellular life forms exist to facilitate recycling...
2."The future of humanity is in an optimal transformation of the human conscience and physical body." That sounds like evolution to me. But do you have some kind of brain extension, body enhancement, trans-human future in mind? You have not made it clear.
I am sorry to remind you that brain (by the way, what about spinal brain?) is only a structure, albeit physical structure. The facilities that most of the cellular life uses for cognition are very different from brain.
2. I am not implying bio-engineering and I am not implying observing and imaging by separate individuals.
I mean changes to human collective awareness happen without your personal acknowledgment.
About observations -
-You are not the same as before when you wake up in the morning, though you may believe that you are the same.
-The ways we know and do things are very simple, but nobody in the world can explain you these ways for the good reason.
-It is possible to observe from outside and from within.
3. I am sorry, enlightenment is not about serotonin levels ( an even not about hormonal balancing - different from one person to another, so on). People who take drugs often experience "something" (their serotonin, dopamine etc. are up)which is definitely not enlightenment.
Everyone has his/her own biochemical description/ biochemistry. There is also statistical information across population which can be used as an indicator of hormonal balancing.
Thank you for reading and for your questions,
Margarita
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Anonymous replied on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 09:05 GMT
Margatita,
1.Thank you for 'translating'. There is a hierarchy of needs. Many of the things you mention would be high up on the hierarchy while basic needs for survival would be at the base. It is only when the lower down needs are fulfilled that higher ones become relevant to the organism. You ask "Why does corporeal life exist"? The answer depends upon whether one is taking a scientific...
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Margatita,
1.Thank you for 'translating'. There is a hierarchy of needs. Many of the things you mention would be high up on the hierarchy while basic needs for survival would be at the base. It is only when the lower down needs are fulfilled that higher ones become relevant to the organism. You ask "Why does corporeal life exist"? The answer depends upon whether one is taking a scientific or spiritual point of view, The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins,Oxford university press, 1976, does a good job of addressing that why question from a biological point of view. I have also heard it said that we are spiritual beings having a human experience,and have also said and heard words to the effect that life forms are the universe observing itself, which may be closer to your standpoint.
2. thanks again for the 'translation'. So you are saying the future of humanity is alteration of the collective consciousness of mankind and alteration man's morphology. Yes I expect we will think differently in the future. In what way optimized and how is that brought about? Do you mean learning the error of our ways? Education? Learning from research? Or some kind of selection pressure affecting both form and consciousness? That might happen if mankind goes through an evolutionary bottle neck, and the survivors become founders of a new species.
3.I beg to differ on the enlightenment question. I was not necessarily talking about illegal drugs but any means of attaining alteration of normal brain chemistry that makes a person feel (and "know" )that they are one with all of nature. 1/
Serotonergic and trytamine overstimulation, 2/
Serotonon and spirituality,3/
Can our level of serotonin affect how spiritual we are
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Georgina Woodward replied on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 09:06 GMT
Georgina Woodward replied on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 09:11 GMT
Serotonin and spiritualityI'm sorry this link is not working in the previous post (I should have checked before posting it.) So here it is again.
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Anonymous replied on Apr. 26, 2014 @ 03:33 GMT
Hello Georgina:
1... Biochemical changes come before morphological changes. Example - rise in consumption of sugars (saccharides)
2.“ Yes I expect we will think differently in the future” Who are those “we”?
Since humankind would change, we become they. They will think differently.
Education is important because people must know that they can learn things. Teachers are important for showing how to learn things.
3. Please note that my essay is primarily about analogous imagining.
Sorry, I am not a biochemist or a molecular biologist and I am not interested in discussing the “brain chemistry” (I do not know what do you mean under “brain chemistry”).
I used examples from the different knowledge fields to rather explain other things.
If you really want to know about enlightenment and for some reason you cannot reflect on enlightenment phenomenon yourself, I recommend you to ask (of course, not in writing) composers and poets. About the drugs - most drug users are elusive liars; the more they use drugs the more they lie (also about how they feel). They fool themselves. I do not know about anybody doing something creative (say, discover a proof of mathematical conjuncture) under the influence of psychedelic drugs. What is true, drugs affect behavior and mood. Under influence, people feel in a strange way and feel to do things differently. The same effects can be obtained without drugging. Take love. Love is often compared to drugging (elixirs of love); on the other hand, while drugs cannot lead to enlightenment, love can.
Please note this is not my topic at all.
A last word about hormones and psychedelic drugs - I really think that Tom Leary was a criminal. After serotonin levels go up, they will go down. Serotonin has many effects, so the precursors of serotonin do and so on, so on.
Regards,
M
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John Brodix Merryman wrote on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 01:55 GMT
Margarita,
That is a very thought provoking essay. I also think life on this planet is evolving toward a singular organism, with humanity as its central nervous system and that much of what we are doing intellectually and technologically, biology has been doing for hundreds of millions of years on this planet alone.
In my own entry I argue that in the current situation, the...
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Margarita,
That is a very thought provoking essay. I also think life on this planet is evolving toward a singular organism, with humanity as its central nervous system and that much of what we are doing intellectually and technologically, biology has been doing for hundreds of millions of years on this planet alone.
In my own
entry I argue that in the current situation, the particular blockage to be addressed is in that economic circulatory system that you mentioned. The problem, as I see it, is that we tend to treat money as the commodity it seems to be at the local level, rather than the contract it is on the contextual level. So now the entire world's economy has become obsessed with expanding this bubble of notational wealth, to the detriment of the health and viability of society and the environment. These instruments originated as specific contracts, from clay tablets representing stored grain in ancient Sumer, to the Rothschild's gold certificates, which then became traded around as commodities in their own right. This system then naturally expanded to include futures, insurance, stocks, etc. All of these are obligations based on a specified value. With the introduction of national fiat currencies, the unspoken value is the health, wealth and future productivity of the nation issuing that currency, yet when the impulse to collect these notes interferes with their function of mediating commerce, the result is akin to coronary disease, with all its potential blockages, elevated pressures, burst transmission vessels, etc. and a resulting less healthy and productive economy. Now if we were to understand and fully educate people to the reality that a national currency is a contract between a community and its participants, in which the particular notes are not personal property, but a public medium and remain public property, for one thing, the natural tendency would be for most people to be far more careful how much value they will attempt to extract from communal relations and environmental resources, in order to acquire these notes. This will make social relations and a healthy environment the stores of value they need to be for a vital and stable life.
It will also mean that since this is a contract, potential allowances would be made in personal emergencies and this would significantly reduce the felt need to store excess notes. Also, if someone is perceived to be unnecessarily hoarding or otherwise abusing the system, the community might well negate or reduce the value of their store of notes, as a form of punishment, further increasing the use of natural stores of value.
The result would be a much smaller, but more stable and sustainable monetary system and a population interesting in putting value into their world, rather than extracting value from it. Regards,
John Merryman
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 03:08 GMT
Hello
I like your self-advertising post.
I am sorry I do not have time to discuss with you historical Sumer, Akkad and other ancient and contemporary nations and their economic habits. As we have a jeopardy with world-traded currencies I do not like you mentioning Rothschild's gold certificates. It does not work anymore. Plastic money does not work either. Western civilization ( originated in Sumer-Akkad, Greece-Roman Empire, Middle-Age Europe)is dying because there is to much people who stop to work.
My essay is not about money business or impact on the world economy on future of humanity. It is more general. I think about money business in the abstract ( say, purely logical, mathematical) way.
Thank you for your interest.
Margarita
John Brodix Merryman replied on Apr. 24, 2014 @ 03:39 GMT
Margarita,
I'm sorry if I left you with a limited impression, as that was only one feature of my entry. I agree civilizations like to put everyone to work and pointed in one direction, which they control. In an entry in a previous FQXI contest, I make the point that our problem with understanding time is that we experience it as a sequence of events and so think of it as the present...
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Margarita,
I'm sorry if I left you with a limited impression, as that was only one feature of my entry. I agree civilizations like to put everyone to work and pointed in one direction, which they control. In an
entry in a previous FQXI contest, I make the point that our problem with understanding time is that we experience it as a sequence of events and so think of it as the present moving from past to future, when the underlaying reality is its the changing configuration that turns future into past. Tomorrow becomes yesterday because the world turns. This makes time similar to temperature. Time is frequency, while temperature is amplitude. As collections of people, we function much more like thermodynamics, with the movement of any one part balanced by the movements of all the other parts. This is natural stability. Yet because we are mobile organism and so move in a particular direction, there is a strong tendency for lots of people to get together and all move in the same direction, eventually called history. This creates an unbalanced situation. Currently one of the forces causing lots of people to move in one direction is the financial system and how it is designed by those running it to extract value from the rest of society, which then makes everyone swirl around this system, like water going down a drain.
Regards,
John
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on Apr. 26, 2014 @ 02:05 GMT
Hello John
Please excuse me from this conversation.
I do not want to say what I think about your post.
Regards,
M
James A Putnam wrote on Apr. 29, 2014 @ 02:23 GMT
Dear Margarita,
I have read your essay with great appreciation. I have read several others, though not all. I feel certain though at this moment that your essay is the best essay. It is free of ideology. It is free of the mechanical restraints imposed by theoretical physics. It is free of political and economic narrow-mindedness. It reaches into the depths of scientific learning and produces needed direction for humanity. Thank you for submitting your essay and sharing your ideas. I am immediately rating your essay an easy, deserving TEN.
James Putnam
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Joe Fisher wrote on Apr. 29, 2014 @ 13:34 GMT
Dear Ms. Judin,
I read your essay four times and I have to ask your forgiveness for I did not understand any of it.
For instance, you wrote: “Nonlocal consciousness is phenomena common to all.” I am sure that my grasp of reality only exists here and now, once. I do not believe that I have the option of selecting any specific part of local consciousness or nonlocal consciousness. I cannot confirm that there can be a greater or lesser amount of local consciousness than there is of nonlocal consciousness. Here is immeasurable. Now is immeasurable. That is what makes here and now and me and my consciousness real. Being by nature a charitable sort of bloke, I truly feel that everyone else on the planet thinks as I do, although they may keep it to themselves.
Hesitatingly,
Joe Fisher
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on May. 6, 2014 @ 21:25 GMT
Hello Joe,
You did not need to read it more than once. If you did not understand at the first time, it means it was not for you. You should not bother.
I only want to tell you that there is no such thing as all people thinking the same
I do not understand what you mean under a charitable sort of bloke. If you are a social person - good for you. By the way, to be social does have nothing with being correct about certain things. I agree that it is more comfortable to stay with majority, but thus, you cannot become a true thinker. True thinkers are pulling the majority through.
Regards,
M Iudin
Peter Jackson wrote on May. 2, 2014 @ 17:20 GMT
Margarita,
An intriguing essay. I almost now feel I like a visitor here! But are we not all temporary 'guests' in our present form? I've written a paper which implies we're anyway all 'recycled' with our galaxies at regular intervals, re-ionized to grow new molecules and new cellular life.
I then entirely agree nonlocal consciousness, but in a causal universe, not as the 'quantum nonlocality' which our incomplete understanding has left us believing in (the subject of my own effort).
Thank you for an entirely original and refreshing perspective.
Best wishes
Peter
PS. The rating buttons seem to be broken. I shall return!
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Wesley Wayne Hansen wrote on May. 5, 2014 @ 14:28 GMT
I'm like Mr. Putman, Margarita, I thoroughly enjoyed your essay; you high-light a really good point with your analogous imagining. Many have argued that the evolution of technology is a random walk across design space but I think you demonstrate that the walk is highly constrained by analogy. Radical Constructivists argue that mathematics, which, it could be argued, is the foundation of science...
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I'm like Mr. Putman, Margarita, I thoroughly enjoyed your essay; you high-light a really good point with your analogous imagining. Many have argued that the evolution of technology is a random walk across design space but I think you demonstrate that the walk is highly constrained by analogy. Radical Constructivists argue that mathematics, which, it could be argued, is the foundation of science and engineering, has its foundations in nature, with abstraction a type of analogy. The same argument could be made of logic; it would seem that most, if not all, logical arguments and connectives are abstracted from observation, even infinity if you consider it a generalization of the counting numbers.
I certainly hope you're right about the restoration of balance with other cellular life forms but I sometimes wonder. I think such a restoration will require a major scientific breakthrough in energy production, containment, and transfer, something akin to cold-fusion. And the reason I find this to be so is largely due to your analogous imagining; with the advent of the global internet, wireless communications, and portable (wearable) smart devices, the human collective is transforming into an emergent global nervous system, analogous to the human nervous system, and this global nervous system is taking on a life of its own.
Francis Heylighen (pg. 295) started the Global Brain Institute with a research objective aimed at generating a novel mathematical model to study this emergent phenomenon and Kevin Kelley from Wired has written a few
blog posts about it. Viewed from the proper perspective, it can almost seem that humans are in servitude to this behemoth and it consumes relatively vast quantities of energy. But even the staunchest environmentalist cringes at the thought of giving up the internet; it would literally be a regress back to the "dark" ages.
Anyway, a very nice essay . . .
With regards,
Wes Hansen
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on May. 6, 2014 @ 21:08 GMT
Hello Wes,
Thank you for your commentary.
You can be sure that I am right about
... about the restoration of balance with other cellular life forms ... It is the matter of the health and well being; when I talk health I mean health of an individual and health of population.
..
you mention an opinion about mathematics as a foundation for science and engineering ...
David Hilbert in his time posed a set of questions about whether mathematics is a kind of language and whether mathematical approach and abstracts come from direct observations alone and what mathematical abstracts really represent
If the answer is positive, the next question would be in what way math expression of physical and nonphysical experiences is better than other expressions the probable answer would be that math expression requires very little expense of physical energy
However, I still doubt about that the expenses being small
consider a path
from math theory (knowledge of qualities) to numerical computations (quantitative knowledge) and
from numerical computations to physicochemical processing
and, then, start all over again
Cheers,
M Iudin
Arthur R. Woods wrote on May. 14, 2014 @ 20:43 GMT
Dear Margarita
I found that your excellent essay in many ways incorporates much of James Lovelock's "Gaia" theory. Perhaps more directly, it reminded me of Fritjof Capra's 1996 book "The Web of Life: A New Scientific Understanding of Living Systems" who wrote in the final chapter -
Knowing That We Know:
"Identifying cognition with the full process of life -...
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Dear Margarita
I found that your excellent essay in many ways incorporates much of James Lovelock's "Gaia" theory. Perhaps more directly, it reminded me of Fritjof Capra's 1996 book
"The Web of Life: A New Scientific Understanding of Living Systems" who wrote in the final chapter -
Knowing That We Know:
"Identifying cognition with the full process of life - including perceptions, emotions, and behaviour - and understanding it as a process that involves neither a transfer of information nor mental representations of an outside world requires a radical expansion of our scientific and philosophical frameworks. One of the reasons why this view of mind and cognition is so difficult to accept is that it runs counter to our everyday intuition and experience. As human beings, we frequently use the concept of information and we constantly make mental representations of the people and objects in our environment.
However, these are specific characteristics of human cognition that result from our ability to abstract, which is a key characteristic of human consciousness. For a thorough understanding of the general process of cognition in living systems it is thus important to understand how human consciousness, with its abstract thought and symbolic concepts, arises out of the cognitive process that is common to all living organisms."I believe this underscores what you have communicated in your essay.
You write:
"Although human self-awareness, constrained and fallible, lacks knowledge about position of human life in the hierarchy of cellular life, there is an accurate understanding that this position has been changing with time. The Holocene climate conditions made possible the booming growth of human population and techno-scientific advances, especially in chemical, biochemical and information technologies. We suggest that ongoing extension of the limits of specific human consciousness has been predisposed by unknown needs and interests of total cellular life and the living Earth. It seems that human consciousness is impending great changes."I would like to speculate that humans do have an integrated purpose in life's overall hierarchical schematic that may not be obvious but is indeed driven by life's processes. From an evolutionary perspective, a possible explanation for the apparent dominance of the human species over the rest of nature, for its technological prowess, for its insatiable curiosity, for its creativity as well as for its unrelenting exploitation of its terrestrial habitat, is that all life on planet Earth must need this kind of species to enable its own evolution in order to insure its ultimate survival.
The fact that every living organism is programmed to reproduce is a fundamental aspect of nature and only in this way does the survival of any life form have a chance in the world that nature has designed. Extrapolating this insight into a cosmic perspective, we know that sooner or later life on Earth will cease to exist. Accepting the interdependent and interconnected processes of nature as you describe, then an understanding emerges that life's chances for ultimate survival can only be enhanced by promoting its propagation beyond Earth. And today, life on Earth has actually reached the point in its evolution via the human species where it would indeed be feasible for it to propagate in other parts of the universe.
Thus, if survival via propagation is the fundamental characteristic of life and that the
web of life is indeed an integrated "Gaia-like" entity, then the arguments for spreading life beyond Earth are certainly more compelling than the arguments for not doing so. Life's expansion into the cosmos may or may not include humans but humans appear to be essential for that expansion to happen. By embracing this awareness and helping to propagate terrestrial life beyond the home planet, humanity could be fulfilling its ultimate purpose.
Your thoughts?
Thanks and best regards,
Arthur
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on May. 15, 2014 @ 21:06 GMT
Dear Arthur
This essay is a digest of several articles of the Post-Gaia Doctrine. The Doctrine is indeed has to do something with the Earth's matters, but not only. Lynn Margulis is dead, and James Lovelock is about 95 years old. I am not sure that they would agree with me. They were attacked many times and over time their views had changed, had became more moderate.
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Dear Arthur
This essay is a digest of several articles of the Post-Gaia Doctrine. The Doctrine is indeed has to do something with the Earth's matters, but not only. Lynn Margulis is dead, and James Lovelock is about 95 years old. I am not sure that they would agree with me. They were attacked many times and over time their views had changed, had became more moderate.
If you are interested to have a look at the Doctrine, let me know. Presently, I am trying to downsize to make it more accessible.
Thank you for your comments.
Q?..understanding emerges that life's chances for ultimate survival can only be enhanced by promoting its propagation beyond Earth. And today, life on Earth has actually reached the point in its evolution via the human species where it would indeed be feasible for it to propagate in other parts of the universe..
A? human life [form] belongs here and it will not go anywhere; I believe that
there are other forms of life on Earth, for instance, microbial life, non-organic life , etc. that can go (S. Arrhenius, 1903, "The Distribution of Life in...".
Human life is definitely an intermediate life form, the one that has its own history of successes and failures. I am fond of sky watching, stargazing and I pray for the continuation of cosmos exploration, because it opens horizons of knowledge.
This all does not matter. The submitted essay was about how people think and what people can get out of their thinking (imagining) facilities - to imagine and steer the future
Good luck,
MI
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Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on May. 25, 2014 @ 14:49 GMT
Dear Margarita,
I read with great interest your depth analytical essay with interesting original conclusions that I really patches of light:
«Radical anthropocentrism made human consciousness too vulnerable and caused severe disconnection from other life forms. The most desirable for humanity is to change its views at cooperation of the life forms and the living Earth and to...
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Dear Margarita,
I read with great interest your depth analytical essay with interesting original conclusions that I really patches of light:
«Radical anthropocentrism made human consciousness too vulnerable and caused severe disconnection from other life forms. The most desirable for humanity is to change its views at cooperation of the life forms and the living Earth and to change human practices so these practices would be in spirit of natural engineering of the Earth by and large. In order to restore a balance with other cellular life forms and to live full-fledged lives and for sustained development humanity just has to have a push in the right direction.»
«Though anthropogenic engineering has been one of the pinnacles of collective human consciousness, the truth is that it rigorously follows the footsteps of natural control engineering. Human engineers effectively experiment, imitate and adapt logic and material design of the pre-existent natural manufacturing schemes (e. g, biosynthesis of antibiotics in nature). Imitation can be technically complicated, but it does not require new ideas and does not go beyond the bounds of consciousness of the totality of cellular life.»
«Maybe nobody yet knows what the imagining is and how it is resolved in cellular life as a whole, but humans and other cellular life observers use the imagining at all times.»
«We assume that analogous thinking in humans (here the term also covers thought experiments, mathematical modeling, music composing and other imagining) is a peculiar kind of interacting processing between a source system and an image system. As so, thinking is phenomena of hierarchical relations and energy-information exchange between an image and its sources.»
«In our view, without exceptions, technoscience achievements of the modern human life are not more than an imitation and reflection on the pre-existed phenomena of nonhuman life forms. We believe that scientific and technological achievements have become possible due to analogous imagining in cellular life observers. Human thinking originates in analogous imagining. In fact, there is no principle difference between mental construction of analogs and actual construction of the functional analogs. To create mental analogs, human and nonhuman observers employ topological mapping, or Gestalt imagining. For example, human observers employ topological mapping over the physical network of brain cells and signals.»
«The future of humanity is in an optimal transformation of the human conscience and physical body. Analogical imaging is essentially the methodology common to an exploration of the physical world and transformation of the life forms.
It is possible to "steer the future" of humanity by means of analogical imagining.»In support of your ideas and the way to truth I give two quotations:
"Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." (Albert Einstein)
«The truth should be drawn with the help of the cognitive computer visualization technology and should be presented to" an unlimited circle "of spectators in the form of color-musical cognitive images of its immanent essence.» (Alexander Zenkin
«Scientific Counter-Revolution in Mathematics»).
Basic science can overcome the "crisis of representation and interpretation" (T.Romanovskaya
"Modern physics and contemporary art-parallels of style") is relying on imagination to make a more profound interpretation of accumulated Knowledge. Need to deepen in the "Dialectics of Nature", to see its original structure, to hear its
voice and then draw the desired Eidos of the Universe. Picture of the world of physics should be the same rich meanings of the «LifeWorld» (E.Husserl) as the world picture
lyricists.
Profound imagination - first assistant for deep mind. Time has come and we have to start the path together with
the new Generation of the Information age, going aheadI invite you to comment and appreciate my
journey into the past and future
where I draw the path of Protogeometer and new eidos of Universe, filled with limiting thoughts of the "LifeWorld".
Best regards,
Vladimir
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on May. 31, 2014 @ 17:52 GMT
Hello Vladimir,
I read your essay. I think it is a well cooked compote (this word has the same meaning in Russian and English). Actually, I can feel your caring personality and enthusiasm, but I think it was not a good idea to squash all your thoughts in the 9-pages essay.
I did not rank your essay because I feel very far from globalization, UN initiatives ( frankly, what is UN?) and other conjecture - market topics.
Sincerely,
MI
Peter Jackson wrote on May. 30, 2014 @ 18:35 GMT
Margarita,
I'm back with restored rating powers as promised above. I'm disappointed you haven't responded or read/rated mine but I know how much time it takes, even speed-reading. If you get the chance during the extension I think you'll enjoy the allegorical tale.
Well done for yours.
Peter
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on May. 31, 2014 @ 17:33 GMT
Hello Peter,
Please be patient, I promise to read your essay.
Good luck,
MI
Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 4, 2014 @ 14:27 GMT
Margarita,
Many thanks for your post on my essay. I reproduce my response here for your convenience. Reminded by James I did indeed rate yours. I never declare exactly what but it always reflects my comments, clearly favourable. I also haven't rated some. I hope we can discuss my (full!) response, ..as follows;
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Margarita,
Many thanks for your post on my essay. I reproduce my response here for your convenience. Reminded by James I did indeed rate yours. I never declare exactly what but it always reflects my comments, clearly favourable. I also haven't rated some. I hope we can discuss my (full!) response, ..as follows;
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"Thanks for your interesting post. I agree rating is inconsistent between authors. I consistently use the criteria, which I think mine fits well, but we do wrongly tend to favour things we also 'agree' with. Mine seems to be love or hate, I've had many '1' scores with no comments upping the total. Few seem to identify fundamental 'cause' of change as opposed to 'symptoms', but history's clear, it's new understanding of nature and technology that brings revolutionary advancement from stagnation.
On scores; I showed last year they mean little, but they do bring attention, needed in this case. The table is in the end notes, which is what they're for, and are findings of a REAL experiment! The essay discusses an important new conceptualisation of the real physical mechanism which QM entirely lacks, but is certainly nothing AT ALL like the draft scientific paper I promise! (you'd find an early draft buried on 'classical sphere's'.
Your comments on "form/conceptualisation" and; "something that may exist" confuse me. I'm not sure if you realise that QM entirely lacks BOTH of those! It always has. That (we may agree then?) along with a concept of 'time' inconsistent with relativity, is why it retains the EPR paradox and no classical (physical) explanation. THAT is what I now provide; the simple physical geometrical model to reproduce the findings that 'QM' claims are only explainable in terms of 'probability'.
You then say; "I think your model assumptions are incorrect. You may want to find somebody in the field and have alive conversation and verify your assumptions." Which assumptions? I find remove more (unsupported) hidden ones than I invoke, and I invoke only known science from other fields, and give references! They are;
Electron spin flip, Gauged helicity, Non-mirror symmetry of spin, (see the ref's or just google) and the fact that opposite spin hemisphere's rotate in different directions (Earths N= anticlockwise, S = clockwise) with a non-linear distribution of rotation speed between pole and equator. All I've done is bring those coherently together.
Now if you still do think any are incorrect do please identify so I can check!
You also suggest I; "look into the vorticity and gyroscope models in 2D and 3D and potential vorticity maps" They were indeed early starting points, and all valid, viz; Imagine holding a gyro by the spin axis poles. Look from one end, it's clockwise, and opposite from the other. Now look at the middle, it's either spinning 'up' or 'down'. QM goes no further than considering a single snapshot. I just point out that the ends can be swapped (by switching EM field direction). Now imagine doing so, by switching the poles round between hands. You now find spin UP from the SAME 'particle', with conserved OAM! That inherent duality is what current QM doesn't recognise or accept!!
Of course I've discussed it with many 'in the field'. Some recognise it and are scared that the beliefs embedded in their psyche may be wrong, most scream and look away. We can't advance science by checking it against past science to ensure it's the same! The model is scientifically falsified, but needs the 'new way of thinking' that Bob demonstrates reveals the answer, which allows unification of the two "great pillars" of physics, called the Holy Grail of science. I've identified that history shows that only that can let us escape from this rut and progress! In fact the changes to QM are quite small and reflect von Neuman and Godel's conceptions. Uncertainty is only relegated to the next gauge down. It's the implications for other physics that are wider.
I'm disappointed I didn't get that across to all, and that you disagree. If it's the latter pleased do specify with what. It may be wrong or incomplete but I can't find where. Part of the value for all here is the wide falsification of hypotheses.
If you wish more technical details do see my last post to Tom (under Doug 17/5 above) though Tom isn't 'in the field' and does have his own agenda. Thank you for expressing your doubts and giving me the opportunity to address them. I do look forward to any further specifics."
Best wishes
Peter
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Christian Corda wrote on Jun. 3, 2014 @ 11:23 GMT
Dear Margarita,
As I promised in my FQXi page, I have read your nice Essay. Here are my comments:
1) I think that not only human life's position changes with time in the hierarchy of cellular life, but also other kinds of life.
2) Acknowledge the consciousness of individual cellular life forms, the quorum consciousness and the great engineering skill of total cellular life looks consistent with anthropic principle.
3) I agree with your statement that "for present humanity it would be better to match human interests with the interests of total cellular life and to anticipate climate change in the interests of total cellular life".
4) I think that placing straightforward imitation before an understanding is a mistake.
5) In my opinion, the greatest example of imitation and understanding of cellular life is nano-technology.
6) Nonlocal consciousness is also consistent with anthropic principle.
7) Concerning analogous imagining, you were correct in claiming that I used it in my Essay. I also agree with you that it is very important to "steer the future" of humanity.
As your Essay enjoyed me a lot, I am going to give you an high rate accordingly.
I hope you will find the time to read, comment and rate
my Essay. Best luck in the Contest.
Cheers,
Ch.
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on Jun. 6, 2014 @ 17:31 GMT
Hello
I am sorry I stopped to rate the essay a long ago
if you want to speak about molecular dimension please use the word chemistry instead of the monstrous word nano-technology
yes, Nonlocal consciousness is consistent with anthropic principle and with many other principles, views, etc. depends on your interpretation
about gravitational waves very interesting subject
black holes - not science , at this point in history it is a pseudo-scientific theory of course, it may be different in the future
you always can publish about black holes and go for international conferences, and so on
I did not check your work thoroughly, I did not have time
your reference to the neighborhood particles what interactions forces how you define conditions
I guess
you should put your paper for to peer-to-peer review, post to arXiv. org
I did not understand the fundamental value of your essay if there is any
Bohr and other guys they dreamed about the liquid drop model
their brainstorming - it was not what is now thought of the model
they thought about to a model of creation of material world not model of a massive particle
Thank you for reading my essay,
Good luck
M Iudin
James A Putnam wrote on Jun. 3, 2014 @ 16:13 GMT
Margarita,
I left a message for you in
my forum.
James Putnam
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James A Putnam wrote on Jun. 4, 2014 @ 02:37 GMT
Margarita,
With regard to my mention of temperature at my forum, It was with regard to thermodynamic entropy. I wrote a page titled the Unknown Thermodynamic Entropy. I wrote that thermodynamic entropy, discovered by and defined by Clausius is unknown to this day. The reason it remains unknown is because its definition includes temperature. Temperature is an indefinable property along with length and time and mass. Temperature, as well as was mass, was improperly declared to be an indefinable property. In my work I define both mass and temperature and explain what thermodynamic entropy is. As you can see, my work is very different from accepted theoretical physics. This is just to let you know what I alone think. My essay for last years contest explains all this and more.
James Putnam
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Peter Gluck wrote on Jun. 4, 2014 @ 08:58 GMT
Dear Margarita,
I have remarked and read your essay when it was published (chrologically it was no 114/153)It is remarkably original and creative. It has no references and this is a proof of moral courage- we are faced with the ideas of the author herself and not with some authority in her field (no "post-logical thinking, bravissimo!
I am no expert in biology, so I cannot judge or appreciate the senses and consequences of the starting concept of the essay- "hierarchy of cellular life"
and its relationship with what we call Evolution. I also have problems with the global cellular life and our position in it.I had the impression that human brain cells are a superior form of cellular life due to the marvel of thinking- per se.
I think this essay open a way toward a better future. More instructions how to go will be welcome
Peter Gluck
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Thomas Howard Ray wrote on Jun. 4, 2014 @ 12:58 GMT
Margarita,
Your essay sprawls, yet it sprawls over some very rich territory, where its very form reflects the content in a stream-of-consciousness narrative as close to art as to science. Like cut crystal, it is multifacted and beautiful.
What I take away, is that the integration of nonlocal consciousness with local experience is dynamic and free ranging over all scales of metaphysically real interactions -- and I hope I'm right.
Reading your piece leaves me with some regret that at this late date, I will have missed other such jewels among the dross. I can only do what I can, rating wise, to try and elevate attention.
You might resonate with the portion of
my essay that expands on: "... there is no principle difference between the logical design and methods of the capital recycling(formidably described by great logician K. Marx) from one side and logical design and methods of energy-information recycling from the other side."
All best,
Tom
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Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Jun. 5, 2014 @ 00:38 GMT
Hello Margarita
I enjoyed reading your very-well-written essay. You are absolutely right in stressing the significance of how cellular life has adapted itself and created methods of communation and data transfer - one can call it that - in living systems. In fact in my physics theory
Beautiful Universe I have noted that " The human brain evolved over millions of years in organisms that interacted directly, causally and locally with inanimate nature on a molecular scale[15]. Is it too much to ask now that our understanding of Mother Nature should also be as simple, direct and realistic as possible?"
From there to the human scale it is a large leap, and I am a bit doubtful that absolutely everything human beings have created or will create has an analogy in cellular life. This idea denies the creative inventive process. A cell invents ways to survive and procreate. Do cells fall in love, write poetry, harbor thoughts of future security or revenge, or dream or are self-aware? Analogy needs to be stretched to the breaking point to explain the present (and future) human situation.
It struck me that two aspects of your essay hover near religious ideas: the Jain religion in India sanctifies life, even to the smallest insect (and I suppose cell). And your idea of enlightenment is close to Zen 'satori'.
My essay is very different from yours, but hope you will read it.
Best wishes from Vladimir
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Peter Gluck wrote on Jun. 5, 2014 @ 05:04 GMT
Dear Margarita
I believe this book:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229710.800-all-
systems-tao-holistic-view-of-lifes-networks.html?full=true#.
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The Systems View of Life: A unifying vision by Fritjof Capra and Pier Luigi Luisi
Published by: Cambridge University Press
speaks in the favor of your ideas, essay
Peter
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Michael Allan wrote on Jun. 5, 2014 @ 17:32 GMT
Hello Margarita, I share my thoughts after reading your essay, and offer a suggestion.
You present a new way of looking at things. At first it seemed a new paradigm of evolution. You assert (p. 2) that "we do not really know how life forms [were] transformed in the past" (arguably true), and that "we have all right to think that [these] transformations... have something to do with fine sensation and control management" (yes, we do). Here I thought of the current paradigm, which is neo-Darwinism. I wanted to compare neo-Darwinism with your own paradigm and learn what the differences might be, and so better understand yours. But I soon realized that your essay is scoped much larger than evolution, maybe even larger than biology. So I lost my frame of reference. It's as though you were speaking a new language for which there's no Rosetta Stone (no key, no dictionary). I didn't understand.
I suggest it would help to take a comparative approach. For example you would write, "Here's how people look at S today...", where S is something simple. "Here's how I suggest we look at S instead... Here's the difference between these two views (old and new)... Here's what I think their respective advantages are... And their disadvantages..." Then you would do the same for T, U, etc. which are different things. Only once the reader understands your new viewpoint and learns to adopt it himself/herself would you dispense with the comparative approach and just speak of X, Y, Z, etc. from that viewpoint alone.
Mike
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on Jun. 6, 2014 @ 17:09 GMT
Hello Michael
Sorry I do not have enough time
I will write your later - if it would be possible to submit posts after the rating is over
you have your website, correct?
I was really impressed by your essay
It is not a new way of looking at things - it is an extended Platonic view, the Post-Gaia Margulis, Lovelock and others, Gaea Leibnitz and others
Darwin is absolutely different story
I do not use a word evolution because it has been linked to Darwinism - yak
I do not like Darwinism, I appreciate Darwin's work I do not like later interpretations and all these people ( including Darwin's relatives) who try to punish others for thinking differently
I did not write from my own name, I use WE
I can send your reference sources if you are interested
I reside in Toronto
what do you think about coming elections - rhetoric question
/ you wrote your voting algorithm/ protocol / I have an interesting problem for you - how about to summarize the FQXI rating policy and results
I have some ideas
Thank you again
Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Jun. 5, 2014 @ 21:23 GMT
Dear Margarita Iudin,
I acknowledge the consciousness of individual cellular life forms [see my 2009 essay] and I agree with you about the futility of trying to control climate.
You say: "Imitation and understanding of a logical design and its physical implementation are possible because of analogous imagining... which transfers meaning from one context to another." That is nicely stated.
I do have a theory of "imagining" but it does not fit into a comment. And I do agree that it is possible to "steer the future" of humanity by means of analogical imagining.
I do not understand exactly what you mean by "nonlocal consciousness" which you claim is a phenomenon common to all living things. I view consciousness as a field phenomena which would make it nonlocal, so if this is what you mean then we are in full agreement. Of course the field interacts with all matter and at the level of the cell the organization of matter supports many many layers of logic and thus allows rudimentary "thinking".
Your focus on cellular consciousness is very compatible with my ideas, and I thank you for writing an interesting and entertaining essay.
My best regards,
Edwin Eugene Klingman
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Author Margarita Iudin replied on Jun. 6, 2014 @ 16:56 GMT
Thank you for your comments Mr. Klingman,
I will write you in more details some time later
non-local consciousness - the term has multiple meanings
please consider
local consciousness as a result of local processing, local computations
non-local consciousness you have a final result of computations performed somewhere else by somebody else, you need to know how to receive translate
you may interpret it in a wrong way, however you do not need to use your resources, to go through all prpocessing
Best luck,
MI
the esoteric guys like goswami what's the bleep
link non-local consciousness to quantum effects and quantum computing
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