Roger,

Being somewhat self educated and generally non-academic, my view of time is it is an effect of action, ie. change. The problem is that as individual points of reference, we experience this change as a sequence of events and so construe it as the point of the present moving from past events to future ones. Physics then distills this to measures of duration to use in...

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Roger,

Being somewhat self educated and generally non-academic, my view of time is it is an effect of action, ie. change. The problem is that as individual points of reference, we experience this change as a sequence of events and so construe it as the point of the present moving from past events to future ones. Physics then distills this to measures of duration to use in calculations.

The obvious larger reality is that these events are being created and dissolved by this process of change and so it is not the present which moves from past to future, but the events which move from future to past, due to the activity of what exists. Tomorrow becomes yesterday because the earth turns, not the earth traveling some flow, or existing along some metric, from yesterday to tomorrow. So the past is determined because it has happened and the future is not because it hasn't. Yes, the occurrence of an event will determine its seemingly singular outcome, but the input into that event only occurs with its occurrence. There is no way to fully know the total input into any event prior to its occurrence because that input only travels as fast as it is conveyed.

Now human history and thus civilization is based on this narrative vector and I find the more educated a person is, the less willing they are to look beyond narrative structure, but sequence is not causal, energy exchange is. One day doesn't cause the next, or one wave cause the next. Light shining on a spinning planet and wind across the water cause days and waves. Since nothing is traveling faster than light, the future is only probabilities of encounters. Meanwhile the past really has been determined by those actions and we don't need multiworlds to explain the outcome that fades ever further into the past. In fact, you might say the present is woven from strands pulled from what had previously been woven, since energy is conserved, but information really is not. So eventually the past becomes as unknowable as the future currently is.

This makes time an effect of action, similar to temperature. Time is to temperature what frequency is to amplitude. We think of temperature as a cumulative effect, yet the underlaying cause is all those specific actions of particular velocity or amplitude. With time, we experience and measure all those particular changes, ie, frequency and wonder what the universal rate of change is, but like temperature, it is only a cumulative effect of lots of actions. Each clock runs at its own rate because it is an individual action, determined by circumstance.

We are just single human molecules, bouncing from one encounter to the next...

If time really were a vector from past to future, you would think the faster clock would move into the future quicker, yet the opposite is true. It burns/ages/processes faster and so recedes into the past quicker. The tortoise is still plodding along, long after the hare is dead. Consider that, the next time you are rushing about.

Now I find most physicists don't particularly care for this observation, but you seem to wish to retain some good old fashioned sanity, so I offer it up.

Remember we still see the sun as moving across the sky and spend millennia trying to explain why, before realizing it was the earth moving the other direction.

Regards,

John M

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Dear Roger,

Though the block theory is expressional with non-deterministic stochastic systems in Corpuscularianism, in an Eigen-rotational string-matter continuum scenario, the clock is with the system and thus the nature of time is, 'Cyclic' in that quantization of time is plausible. In this, while the past-present interval is definite, the indefinite past-future and present-future...

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Dear Roger,

Though the block theory is expressional with non-deterministic stochastic systems in Corpuscularianism, in an Eigen-rotational string-matter continuum scenario, the clock is with the system and thus the nature of time is, 'Cyclic' in that quantization of time is plausible. In this, while the past-present interval is definite, the indefinite past-future and present-future intervals indicate the imperativeness for a holarchical reference time to describe the dynamics of the universe in discrete cyclic times.

With Cyclic time it is expressional that, 'present' is the relic of 'sub-effect' on the observer for a 'sub-cause', between a 'cause' and 'effect'. This implies that the 'future' and 'past' are co-existing with the 'present' and cyclic, in that I agree that past determine future and future determine past while everything pre-determined.

As 'emergence of time' is integral with the nature and dynamics of matter, the expectations from differential equations to find out the theory of everything implies with the re-structuring of atomic analogy, in that nature of time also differs. I think there is plausible option to resolve the initial value problem and the boundary value problem, while we integrate Planck values with this paradigm. Thus the String theory needs adaptations to re-explore 'Conformal field theories' to re-define 'matter' as string to define 'time'.

In this scenario, the action between string-segments is in randomness whereas the energy propagations in strings are in determinism and thus I think 'free will' has influence on determinism.

This indicates that the 'The future is the past' is within a time domain. That is the nature of time is discrete and cyclic in holarchical reference time, in that the dynamics of Universe in entirety is in Cyclic-time, without parallel universe in this paradigm.

With best wishes,

Jayakar

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Dear Roger,

I read your essay with great interest. It once again confirms the fact that Mathematics and Physics - two fundamental sign systems but ontologically is not justified. However, like all Knowledge. Fundamental science is experiencing a "crisis of representation and interpretation", "crisis of understanding", methodological and philosophical crisis of foundations. About it well...

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Dear Roger,

I read your essay with great interest. It once again confirms the fact that Mathematics and Physics - two fundamental sign systems but ontologically is not justified. However, like all Knowledge. Fundamental science is experiencing a "crisis of representation and interpretation", "crisis of understanding", methodological and philosophical crisis of foundations. About it well said Carlo Rovelli in article SCIENCE IS NOT ABOUT CERTAINTY: A PHILOSOPHY OF PHYSICS :

«This is a standard idea of how science works, which implies that science is about empirical content, the true interesting relevant content of science is its empirical content. Since theories change, the empirical content is the solid part of what science is. Now, there's something disturbing, for me as a theoretical scientist, in all this. I feel that something is missing. Something of the story is missing. I've been asking to myself what is this thing missing? I'm not sure I have the answer, but I want to present some ideas on something else which science is.

This is particularly relevant today in science, and particularly in physics, because if I'm allowed to be polemical, in my field, in fundamental theoretical physics, it is 30 years that we fail. There hasn't been a major success in theoretical physics in the last few decades, after the standard model, somehow. Of course there are ideas. These ideas might turn out to be right. Loop quantum gravity might turn out to be right, or not. String theory might turn out to be right, or not. But we don't know, and for the moment, nature has not said yes in any sense.

I suspect that this might be in part because of the wrong ideas we have about science, and because methodologically we are doing something wrong, at least in theoretical physics, and perhaps also in other sciences. »

As a result of the crisis - the concept of "multiverse" and misunderstanding of "time". Problem of the foundation of mathematics over a hundred years. But this problem is "swept under the carpet", it is not even included in "The Millennium Problems" Clay Mathematics Institute. How can mathematics be able to "close the physics" (mathematician Ludwig Faddeev an interview «The equation of the evil spirit»)?

At the time Henri Bergson wrote a good book "Matter and Memory". But unfortunately, he not found a deep connection between these two fundamental categories. Physics was on the way phenomenological unification, but now need deep ontological unification of matter to "grab" the structure of SPACE and then "grab" «TIME» as multivalent phenomenon Ontological (structural, cosmic) Memory. In the physical picture of the world no deepest meanings of the "LifeWorld " (E.Husserl). Physicists and lyricists must have the unified picture of the world rich in meanings of the "LifeWorld".

You give a good key concept of "structure". Fundamental science needs "general framework structure" (David Gross, an interview "What is in the space-time"). We have a good idea of N.Bourbaki - "mother structures". Going to the "absolute generative structure " ("general framework structure") should start from "Architecture Mathematics" Bourbaki and Cartesian «Cogito ergo sum». As is well said in his article A.Zenkin in his article SCIENTIFIC COUNTER-REVOLUTION IN MATHEMATICS ::

«The truth should be drawn with the help of the cognitive computer visualization technology and should be presented to" an unlimited circle "of spectators in the form of color-musical cognitive images of its immanent essence.» But in order to "draw" the truth, it is necessary to understand more deeply the Cartesian "Cogito ergo sum".

"Science formulas" is not an assistant, need "Science forms" and " The General Theory of structures."

I hope that the category of "Memory" will be the central category of the scientific picture of the world and then to manage the future of Humanity will be easier. The New Era and a New Generation demanded action. We need a new "Big Common Cause" to save Peace, Nature and Humanity. Time has come and we start the path.

I agree: «The future is the past». High score. I look at your blog and remember the wonderful words Henry David Thoreau:

"It is by a mathematical point only that we are wise,

as the sailor or the fugitive slave keeps the polestar in his eye;

but that is sufficient guidance for all our life.

We may not arrive at our port within a calculable period,

but we would preserve the true course."

I invite you to comment on and appreciate my ideas.

High regard,

Vladimir

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Roger,

I thought I make a final effort to get your thoughts on my initial comment on your thread; That the reason we misinterpret time is due to our singular experience of a sequence of events being interpreted as the point of the present moving from past to future, which physics further distills to measures of particular duration, when the logical physical mechanism is the changing...

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Roger,

I thought I make a final effort to get your thoughts on my initial comment on your thread; That the reason we misinterpret time is due to our singular experience of a sequence of events being interpreted as the point of the present moving from past to future, which physics further distills to measures of particular duration, when the logical physical mechanism is the changing configuration of what exists, thus creating and dissolving these events, effectively turning future into past.

Which makes time much more like temperature, than space. Essentially time is to temperature, what frequency is to amplitude, which I covered in the prior post.

To clarify, determinism is based on the assumption that since one causal outcome occurs for every event, this must mean all subsequent events must be effectively pre-determined. While multiworlds argues that since all quantum events are in fact effectively probabilistic, then the past must remain so, resulting in multiworlds occurring with every possibility.

Now if we look at it as future becoming past, then probability precedes actuality. The input into any event only happens with its occurrence.

In my own entry I observe the dichotomy of energy and information and how energy manifests information, while information defines energy. With the quantum, we keep trying to extract ever more precise information from the energy, yet still can't erase its essential fuzziness. The fact is that even a moving car doesn't have a precise location, or it wouldn't be moving. As for those subatomic particles; If they weren't moving, there would be no car. Energy is inherently dynamic, while information is inherently static. We extract information by stopping the energy, usually with an opposing force, such as a mass object consisting of balanced forces, which then absorbs this energy according to its own structure, effectively contracting it to a point, creating the effect of this quantum of energy being thought of as a particle.

I could keep jabbering on, but you may have wished to avoid my previous post and not just missed it, so...

Regards,

John Merryman

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