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CATEGORY: It From Bit or Bit From It? Essay Contest (2013) [back]
TOPIC: Alien Its from Bits: Metaphysics Run Amok? by Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer [refresh]
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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer wrote on Jun. 29, 2013 @ 15:11 GMT
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John Archibald (JA) Wheeler’s “It from Bit” is a form of metaphysics attempting to use information system theory as an ontology to describe Bohr’s quantum phenomenology. This paper revels in the insanity caused by humans seeking to understand foundational issues. It offers a fair overview of JA’s “Its from Bits.” It builds a realistic model that addresses the major unresolved issue raised by JA himself: The continuous nature of the natural number system as opposed to the quantum discreteness of space and time. It concludes that classical mathematics, including binary information, may be a spurious basis for understanding existence. Dimensions must be taken as real in their own right. This article uses an alien commentator as a rhetorical device for entertainment and to aid comprehension. Perhaps humans will be less offended if it is an alien critiquing their cherished beliefs rather than a fellow human.

Author Bio

Tubal is a Bundal whose bio may be accessed at http://tubalsphysics.com/who-is-tubal-what-is-a-bundal/. Darrell is the human translator who holds a M.Div. from Nazarene Theological Seminary and a M.B.A. from Indiana-Purdue at Fort Wayne. As an avid student of physics for thirty-two years he is self-taught (a most dangerous kind of learning) in Relativity and Quantum Mechanics.

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Jun. 30, 2013 @ 06:39 GMT
Dear Darrell,

Thank you for presenting your nice essay. I saw the abstract and will post my comments soon. So you can produce material from your thinking. . . .

I am requesting you to go through my essay also. And I take this opportunity to say, to come to reality and base your arguments on experimental results.

I failed mainly because I worked against the main stream. The...

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 2, 2013 @ 17:12 GMT
Satyavarapu, I will read and post on your essay.

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David M Reid wrote on Jun. 30, 2013 @ 07:06 GMT
Hi, Tubal aka Pastor Poeppelmeyer,

Your essay was enjoyable to read. The style was superb. The speculations are nice; alas, you postulate that mathematics is insufficient to characterize reality, so you thus disqualify your own system as a characterization of reality, since it is presented in a way which is quite amenable to a mathematical formulation. (Your aside about mathematics being...

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 14:23 GMT
David, I thank you for reading my essay. Your comments are cogent and help me immensely. In regards to mathematics, I will blame my lack of writing skills for not making myself clear. I was trying to say mathematics (mostly geometry) needs to be reformulated away from the central idea of a dimensionless point. I am not against mathematics as a whole.

You insight on the potential use of Godel's theorem to show a relationship to human insanity was humorous and good.

My understanding is that indeterminateness and undecidability are related. The question is how. For my model, both are a function of two, temporal time zones. In other words, their relationship and cause (so-to-speak) is due to human limitations in being able to measure the future, even though we live in the future as well as the past. We can only measure the past.

As for the use of Godel's incompleteness theorem and its relationship to the wave-function, the best I can say is that the wave-function, as a mathematical expression, is built upon axioms that prevent it from securing an ontological character. If the axioms were changed and mathematics reformulated, then an ontologically relevant wave-function could be developed.

In regards to mathematicians and physicists critiquing their own disciplines, I agree. But critique that does not change outcomes is probably not a deep enough critique.

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 06:56 GMT
Dear Darrell

A very good analysis, the question you pose is interesting.

"Why we can not understand myself?" - 6 points for you. According to Grading method (compared to my goal ) = 5 criteria with 2 points each : The idea actually,Similar views,Measures consistent,Conclusions detail,Applying diversity.

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1802

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 2, 2013 @ 17:18 GMT
You do an interesting analysis. Thank you for posting and rating. I confess I have given high scores for quality essays that do not fit my views. I remain partial to those essays that challenge me and teach me.

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Lawrence B Crowell wrote on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 17:43 GMT
Darrell,

Your essay is entertaining. I responded a bit more on my essay blog site. I am unfortunately a bit skeptical whether we will ever contact alien intelligent life. If we do it would be an interesting comparison exercise.

LC

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Joe Fisher wrote on Jul. 2, 2013 @ 14:51 GMT
Mr. Poeppelmeyer,

I found your essay hugely entertaining. It is a pity you did not translate my essay BITTERS for Tubal. Had you did so, Tubal would have been made aware of the fact that I had listed now as the absolute of time. Tubal would then have known that at least one “human had firmly grasped a now.”

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 2, 2013 @ 17:14 GMT
Joe, I will read and rate your essay and pass the information on to Tubal.

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jul. 3, 2013 @ 05:05 GMT
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THE ADDITIONAL ARTICLES AND A SMALL TEST FOR MUTUAL BENEFIT

To change the atmosphere "abstract" of the competition and to demonstrate for the real preeminent possibility of the Absolute theory as well as to clarify the issues I mentioned in the essay and to avoid duplicate questions after receiving the opinion of you , I will add a reply to you :

1 . THE...

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Jul. 3, 2013 @ 20:04 GMT
Darrell,

If given the time and the wits to evaluate over 120 more entries, I have a month to try. My seemingly whimsical title, “It’s good to be the king,” is serious about our subject.

Jim

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Christian Corda wrote on Jul. 11, 2013 @ 09:15 GMT
Dears Darrell and Tubal,

As I promised in my Essay page, I have read your beautiful and particular Essay. I had a lot of fun, and I think that it should deserve a better attention from the FQXi Community. Thus, I am going to give you an high score.

In particular, I think that the major issue raised by JA himself, by verbatim citing you "The continuous nature of the natural number system as opposed to the quantum discreteness of space and time" is also the core of the black hole information paradox that I discussed in my Essay. Your statements that "Space is not contiguous. Inside-space and outside-space are separated by time" and "Time is not continuous. Past-time and future-time are separated by space"are fascinating. I suggest you to attempt to implement them through a rigorous mathematics in future works.

Cheers,

Ch.

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 11, 2013 @ 09:44 GMT
Your concern for a rigorous mathematics is well founded. I have learned much from participating in this contest. Most of my learning has come from reviewing essays that successfully integrate common explanation with physical and mathematical rigor. Tubal remains a fun read and write for me, but I am learning better how to communicate my approach for imagining two temporal dimensions. Your kind words are a strong encouragement for me to continue my efforts. I look forward to reviewing your essay.

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Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on Jul. 15, 2013 @ 13:36 GMT
Hello Darrell,

Contests FQXi-is primarily a fundamental new ideas. You have an excellent essay, great ideas, great conclusions: «Does it mean science has successfully cornered the market on understanding? Or has human science gotten into a mathematical rut? It is true, further insights can be gleaned, even from within a rut. Maybe it is time for you to climb out of the rut and imagine new possibilities that challenge your foundations.

... Has human metaphysics gone amok? Or has human mathematics gone amok? You will figure it out in a bit.» I estimate the" happy nine ". Take a look and vote my essay ... I think we are close in spirit to the research.

Good luck and best wishes,

Vladimir

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 16, 2013 @ 14:16 GMT
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words. I look forward to reading your essay. -Darrell

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Vladimir Rogozhin replied on Jul. 27, 2013 @ 08:51 GMT
Hello Darrell,

Please visit my forum and give your opinion on my essay and my ideas.

Best regards,

Vladimir

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Antony Ryan wrote on Jul. 21, 2013 @ 08:02 GMT
Dear Darrell,

Nice essay and great way to make the subject interesting and engaging with aliens! I particularly like that you consider dimensions real in their own right. I think in that case you'd consider my essay possibly worth reading and relevant to yours.

I think you deserve to have a higher mark, so I hope my rating has helped.

Best wishes,

Antony

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 21, 2013 @ 12:13 GMT
Thank you Antony. I will look at your essay.

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Antony Ryan replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 22:36 GMT
Thanks Darrell - I hope you enjoyed it?

Antony

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john stephan selye wrote on Jul. 21, 2013 @ 16:12 GMT
Dear Darrell -

You cleverly point out all the pitfalls and paradoxes of trying to answer foundational questions; of course, evolution itself impels us to carry on ...

My view is that we need to be able to think in physical (less-abstract) terms about these issues, and all our assumptions need to be revisited as well.

The way you point out the malleability of our space-time...

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer wrote on Jul. 21, 2013 @ 17:50 GMT
John, You've done some thinking in creating this response to my paper. I am not sure evolution is a be-all or end-all notion. Philosophical critiques of progress are abundant. How evolution relates to the second law of thermodynamics needs to be more deeply appreciated. As for conquering the earth, I am not sure the last battle has been waged. The earth may just eliminate us yet.

I will read and rate your paper. I am expecting it to be an enjoyable and thought-provoking read, based on your comments here.

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john stephan selye replied on Jul. 22, 2013 @ 13:46 GMT
It will be!

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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 14:34 GMT
Hello Darrell,

Great fun to read! And not too many equations, which makes it for easy to follow.

But I dont think binary information, will be a spurious basis for understanding existence. Suppose the binary information is existence/non-existence itself?

Again I agree that dimensions must be taken as real in their own right. This much I discuss in my essay. I don't think we have any other areas of disagreement. A good rating from me.

Best regards,

Akinbo

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 15:11 GMT
Thank you for your comments and brief critique. I will read and rate your essay before the deadline. -Darrell

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Sreenath B N wrote on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 14:03 GMT
Dear Darrell,

I have down loaded your essay and soon post my comments on it. Meanwhile, please, go through my essay and post your comments.

Regards and good luck in the contest,

Sreenath BN.

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827

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john stephan selye wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 13:52 GMT
Hello Darrell,

I now there are many pages to visit before we can finally rest - but i do look forward to hearing from you soon!

John

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Manuel S Morales wrote on Jul. 28, 2013 @ 16:39 GMT
Dear Darrell,

An 'alien commentator" to express a third party observation, now that is a great approach! I wholeheartedly agree that it is about time we climb out of this rut we find ourselves in and consider new perspectives. Although you have a different approach to the essay topic than I do, I found your analogies inspiring and most worthy of merit.

I wish you well in the competition.

Regards,

Manuel

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer replied on Jul. 29, 2013 @ 21:49 GMT
Thank you.

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Manuel S Morales replied on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 20:54 GMT
You are welcome Darrell. I hope you will find the time to rate my essay in kind.

Best wishes,

Manuel

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Jul. 29, 2013 @ 06:12 GMT
Dear Darrell,

You trying to proof what, and to whom? We are living in some unprecedented period where the people (the majority of them) just don't want to use such ,,unnecessary trifle,, that is called ,,logic,,. And we need something beauty/mystery/unsolvable, around of which we can talk long-empty as much as we like it! That will nice, secure and happy for everybody! My dear! Your sarcasm just killing! That is way I am hurry to rate your work on ,,high,, core. Please just check my approach on this issue, Es text

I understand your secret - you are working with own brain!

Happy to meet you.

Best wishes,

George

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Aug. 2, 2013 @ 22:17 GMT
Darrell,

Good for Tubal. You capture the perspective of scientists -- "each suspects the other is missing an important insight" and they "stovepipe" -- "correct from within their own discipline."

Liked your play on the word "bit" at the end: "Has human metaphysics gone amok? Or has human mathematics gone amok? You will figure it out in a bit."

I tend to criticize much of the same concepts, including "consciousness" determining reality and being present at the BB and the tendency to confuse behavioral characteristics of micro and macro objects in "It's Great to be the King."

I would like your views on it.

Thanks for an interesting read.

Jim

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Sreenath B N wrote on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 08:39 GMT
Dear Darrell,

You have rightly grasped that the dichotomy between classical physics (CP) and the quantum physics (QP) is due to the misconceptions we have about ‘Natural numbers’ (NN). In CP we think that NN are continuous, where as in QP we think that NN are discrete ones. It is this differentiation in NN which is responsible for the above dichotomy. So if we can know how these two forms of NN arise from our conception of them helps in solving the current problem in physics. Then we can know why space and time are continuous at the classical level and discrete at the quantum level. The figures you have given help one in understanding your line of thinking. Over all, a nicely presented essay with lucid references to Wheeler and centered on his thought. Thanks for writing an interesting article based on an unique idea of NN. For this I have rated this essay with maximum score.

Please go through my essay also (http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1827) and express your comments on it in my thread before the dead line of 7th Aug.

Best wishes,

Sreenath

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Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde wrote on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 15:50 GMT
Dear

"You actually live in your most recent past to change your next potential future You live in your most recent future to decide your next past"

This is an essential perception of Tubal which could have been taken from my contribution to this contest.

Seeking the foundational issues however I think is not an insanity it is a natural sense of humanity that begins already when you are a child, and cannot stop to pose the question "WHY" at any answer that is given to you.

The duality of Tubal and Darrell is a property of humanity that shows that we are further on the path we are walking on than we think, each recent past as you put it is parallel with my "eternal NOW" where every past and future are AVAILABLE , placing yourself in another "universe" is opening different doors to that different available universes. Reading science fiction authors proves our ability to perceive other realities, like the one of Tubal.

I liked very much your essay, visited your website, agreed with Sreenath about the rating you/Tubal deserves (and did the same) and hope that you or even Tubal can spare some non-causal time to read/comment and also rate my essay : "THE QUEST FOR THE PRIMAL SEQUENCE"[:link]

best regards

Wilhelmus

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Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde replied on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 15:54 GMT
Sorry the link was not right her it is again:

my essay

(topic 1810)

you are now on 4.3 !

regards

Wilhelmus

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Dipak Kumar Bhunia wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 09:32 GMT
Dear Darrel,

You are absolutely true. The imagination has major role than maths in any theoretical advancements. Mere mathematical juggling cannot carry us nowhere. VERY GOOD!

I can invite you too in my essay (http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1855).

I hope you would have good prospect in the contest.

Regards

Dipak

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Peter Jackson wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 21:23 GMT
Dear Tubal,

Only at this late stage have I discovered the truth about my essay from your quite brilliant master version! It was certainly implanted in my mind by a Bundal. It's a relief to finally know where all the notions came from that I thought were 'original'.

But do tell me How many Bundels don't believe in us? Are there skeptics and troglodytes there too, or it is just us?

My Bundlemaster certainly agreed "Mathematics May Be a Spurious Basis for Understanding Existence.", and current maths can't yet even describe the evolution of nature. I have written of a cyclic cosmology (see 2011 essay) and certainly agree; "Both space and time need to be discrete... Space and time have an ending and they have a beginning. It is a continuous process."

But time is short and I must entice you e read my essay before the end of the world as we've known it (for the last two months). It has been called things like; 'groundbreaking,' 'wonderful' and 'fantastic' in my blog (just don't read the Abstract - I did that myself!) And if you hurry I hope you'll have time to (top!?) rate it for my mentor. (If you think it's rubbish please leave it till Thursday!!

And I think it's the entirety of 'human comprehension' which has gone amok! Do they have any new paradigms where you are. We seem to have entirely run out here. We may stay in this rut till we're recycled again.

Very best regards. ...Ohh!- a shortcut; The Intelligent Bit.

Peter

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eAmazigh M. HANNOU wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 22:43 GMT
Dear Darell,

We are at the end of this essay contest.

In conclusion, at the question to know if Information is more fundamental than Matter, there is a good reason to answer that Matter is made of an amazing mixture of eInfo and eEnergy, at the same time.

Matter is thus eInfo made with eEnergy rather than answer it is made with eEnergy and eInfo ; because eInfo is eEnergy, and the one does not go without the other one.

eEnergy and eInfo are the two basic Principles of the eUniverse. Nothing can exist if it is not eEnergy, and any object is eInfo, and therefore eEnergy.

And consequently our eReality is eInfo made with eEnergy. And the final verdict is : eReality is virtual, and virtuality is our fundamental eReality.

Good luck to the winners,

And see you soon, with good news on this topic, and the Theory of Everything.

Amazigh H.

I rated your essay.

Please visit My essay.

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Paul Borrill wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 17:38 GMT
Darrell - I enjoyed your essay. Original, insightful, entertaining with a hint of humor. Thank you.

I imagine that you might find the concept of subtime a useful addition to your insights.

Kind regards, Paul

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Author Darrell R. Poeppelmeyer wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 21:06 GMT
Final Day Post-

I have enjoyed reading and rating essays. I am sorry I am unable to read or rate further essays. I have a personal schedule that will not allow me to give the proper time and space for reading and rating essays in physics, a task I cannot perform quickly (unless they are poor). I was not able to read or rate all of those who read and rated mine. I apologize for this. I know I am not unique when I state I am not in the habit of trading high scores. What I read I rated appropriately and at least two essays earned perfect tens from me. It does not surprise me that these two essays are scoring higher than most of the other essays in this contest. I will also confess that both essays are better than mine. Thank you FQXi for your work. I look forward to discussing issues in physics and mathematics in future years on this website. -Darrell Poeppelmeyer

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Ralph Waldo Walker III wrote on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 00:51 GMT
Darrell,

I wanted to let you know that I just saw your post to someone else's post on my thread from a couple of weeks ago and read your very kind remarks. I feel badly that I didn't see it until now and wanted to take the time to acknowledge it. I also want you to know that I REALLY appreciate your post above. Whether or not you rated mine is unimportant to me - your kind remarks were so very much appreciated.

Best of luck to you in the future.

Sincerely,

Ralph

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