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October 23, 2019

CATEGORY: It From Bit or Bit From It? Essay Contest (2013) [back]
TOPIC: cGh-lim(its) of processing bits by Gennady Gorelik [refresh]
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Author Gennady Gorelik wrote on Jun. 29, 2013 @ 15:10 GMT
Essay Abstract

Regardless of physical status of information, its processing is definitely a material process. H. J. Bremermann was the first who, back in 1962 asked if physical laws limit the rate of any data processing. His positive answer of 1962 has to be corrected to make it compatible with General Relativity. As a result, Bremermann's limit, proportional to mass M of processor, Mc^2/h = ~ (M/gram)10^47 bits per second, should be replaced by an absolute limit (c^5/Gh)^1/2= ~ 10^43 bits per second, where universal constants c, G, and h are the speed of light, the gravitational constant, and Planck's constant. The question of ultimate status of information is intertwined with the problem of Quantum Gravity.

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A physicist by education and historian of science by occupation published ten books and many articles, including in-depth biographies of 20th century Russian physicists, Matvei Bronstein, Andrei Sakharov, and Lev Landau.

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Jun. 30, 2013 @ 13:39 GMT
Dear Gennady Gorelik,

Thank you for presenting your nice essay. I saw the essay, can you please show more light on the quantum gravity. Such a nice concept you have introduced here. Is that Necessary? I request you go into Dynamic universe model also, as it can explain the VLBI deviations. And...



I am requesting you to go through my essay also. And I take this opportunity...

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Antony Ryan wrote on Jun. 30, 2013 @ 17:20 GMT
Dear Gennady,

I think you're dead right that information is a real and intertwined with Quantum Gravity. Also the rate at which the physical laws allow processing is also a valid and logical line of thinking.

Great work -really like this! Hopefully you'll get chance to look at my essay and consider it not at odds with yours?

Best wishes,

Antony

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 06:14 GMT
Dear Gennady

"The cGh - limit of processing information is a reason to believe that the question of ultimate physical status of information is to be answered together with the question of Quantum Gravity."

It seems like a question than an answer.

Hải.Caohoàng

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Joe Fisher wrote on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 16:33 GMT
Mr Gorelik,

Real light has to be the only stationary substance in the real Universe. Firing a fabricated laser beam through a narrow manufactured vacuum tube so that it strikes a light sensor and timing its progress will provide a unique result each time it is tried.

Nature does not deal in experimental differing results. Nature can only do one unique thing once. Real starlight does not have to go through a narrow vacuum tube. Real starlight has to exist in a real absolute vacuum located in one real infinite dimension, once. Unlike a manufactured light that can be repeatedly turned on and off, starlight has to be eternal in order for it to be unique, once.

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Joe Fisher replied on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 18:14 GMT
As I have pointed out in my essay BITTERS, everything in the real Universe is unique. Unique cannot be a constant, therefore all of the abstract constants mentioned in your essay are erroneous. That is why Quantum Mechanics guesswork is of no use whatsoever for dealing with the real unique Universe.

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jul. 3, 2013 @ 05:11 GMT
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THE ADDITIONAL ARTICLES AND A SMALL TEST FOR MUTUAL BENEFIT

To change the atmosphere "abstract" of the competition and to demonstrate for the real preeminent possibility of the Absolute theory as well as to clarify the issues I mentioned in the essay and to avoid duplicate questions after receiving the opinion of you , I will add a reply to you :

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Jul. 3, 2013 @ 19:35 GMT
Gennady,

If given the time and the wits to evaluate over 120 more entries, I have a month to try. My seemingly whimsical title, “It’s good to be the king,” is serious about our subject.

Jim

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Branko L Zivlak wrote on Jul. 5, 2013 @ 08:33 GMT
Dear Gennady

Your article is in medias res.

Only 2 pages a lot of useful information, nice.

Maybe you would answer more questions if you start writing before the 24th. June (or you can see the answers in my article).

regards Branko

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Armin Nikkhah Shirazi wrote on Jul. 14, 2013 @ 14:02 GMT
Dear Gennady,

You touched on an aspect of the contest theme that I had neither thought about nor seen any other essay issue address so far. Thank you for that.

Your paper is very short, so to me it seems there could have been room to explain how the rate of information processing is intertwined with the possibility for Quantum Gravity if

a) a quantum theory of gravity is found

b) it is found (e.g. by a proof) that a quantum theory of gravity cannot exist

it was also interesting to read a little about the historical context of the development of this issue.

All the best,

Armin

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Michael Alexeevich Popov wrote on Jul. 16, 2013 @ 10:54 GMT
Gennady,

Doubters may suggest that in comparison with energy conservation law, Hawking's law of information conservation (The information remains firmly in our universe. Thus, If you jump into a black hole, your mass energy will be returned to our universe but in a mangled form which contains the information about what you were like but in a state where it can not be easily recognized( 2005 )) can be violated ? Moreover, there is no such thing as physical measurement of bits of thermal information in physics .

Michael

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Manuel S Morales wrote on Jul. 18, 2013 @ 13:57 GMT
Dear Gennady,

I truly enjoyed your insight and unique approach as stated in your essay. Although you have a different perspective than I do, I find your fundamental conclusion, "The cGh-limit of processing information is a reason to believe that the question of ultimate physical status of information is to be answered together with the question of Quantum Gravity." is in agreement with my findings.

I hope you don't mind that I rated your essay highly ;-)

Best wishes,

Manuel

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Paul Borrill wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 19:18 GMT
Dear Gennady,

I have now finished reviewing all 180 essays for the contest and appreciate your contribution to this competition.

I have been thoroughly impressed at the breadth, depth and quality of the ideas represented in this contest. In true academic spirit, if you have not yet reviewed my essay, I invite you to do so and leave your comments.

You can find the latest version of my essay here:

http://fqxi.org/data/forum-attachments/Borrill-TimeOne-
V1.1a.pdf

(sorry if the fqxi web site splits this url up, I haven’t figured out a way to not make it do that).

May the best essays win!

Kind regards,

Paul Borrill

paul at borrill dot com

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Armin Nikkhah Shirazi wrote on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 14:07 GMT
Dear Gennady,

I had not followed the essay contest for a couple of weeks and was truly shocked to find out now that yours ranked bottom in the community ratings. I think that just goes to show that the community votes are often not correlated with the quality of the work. I think a lot of it has to do with the entirely unnecessary injection of politics by allowing authors to vote on each other's essays, thereby allowing the inherent conflict of interest to distort outcomes and damage the integrity of the contest (Note: I am writing this after the voting period has ended).

The fact that with the possible exception of one other essay I did not see any other work raise the issue of the rate of information processing alone would make yours noteworthy. In addition, after reading about your very brief mention of Bronstein's fate I became curious to learn more about him. It looks like politics (like many times before and since) once again sacrificed a great mind for its own whims. In particular, I had never seen any serious theoretical arguments for why we should keep the Planck quantities as fundamental. Although I tend to disagree with modern mainstream approaches to understanding nature more deeply (such as LQG and ST), I have the impression that Bronstein may have actually had some such arguments. If so, this part of his legacy may have been forgotten.

In any event, I just wanted to let you know that at least in my view the community ranking has no correlation with the quality of your work.

All the best,

Armin

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Peter Jackson wrote on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 09:29 GMT
Dear Gannady,

Still reading essays and now finding yours I reinforce Armin's view of it's quality and importance. In fact I find the limit you identify may be very important to my own work and proposals (2nd place essay; The Intelligent Bit, where I need to establish a quantitative description and decoding algorithm for the 'noise' of Shannon's capacity theorem. Your understanding should be of inestimable help so I hope you'll read my essay and discuss your thoughts. You may also like to read a relevant paper on the relevance of the OB limit. Gamma and the LT mechanism.

Yours was certainly only so low due to lack of 'engagement' in the process, reading and commenting on other essays. However good the seeds you sew, if you don't also tend the land they're wasted!

I think your work is far too valuable to go to waste.

Best wishes

Peter

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Héctor Daniel Gianni wrote on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 23:28 GMT
Dear Gennady Gorelik:

I am an old physician and I don’t know nothing of mathematics and almost nothing of physics. maybe you would be interested in my essay over a subject which after the common people, physic discipline is the one that uses more than any other, the so called “time”.

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