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Author Peter Jackson wrote on May. 31, 2013 @ 13:04 GMT
Essay AbstractAn intelligent 'IQbit' from 'it' is found in hierarchical 'Sample Space' subsets hidden in the Excluded Middle between binary 0,1 values. Complex causal intensity distributions are found equivalent to Gödel's 'n-valued' or 'Fuzzy' logic, not accessible to binary systems. New orbital degrees of freedom provide the IQbit's power. When tested by asking beyond the 'yes/no' limit John Wheeler identified, the IQbit proves surprisingly capable of resolving the EPR paradox causally, without superluminal signalling, action-at-a-distance or 'loopholes'. New experiments comparing single-photon pairs are proposed, predicted to find 'cosine curve' distributions from each detector, as John von Neumann's 1932 proposition for consistent QM. 'Squaring' 2D waves creates a 3D helix as an axially translating toroid harnessing multiple orbital angular momenta. Malus's Law is invoked at polariser and detectors giving relative field orientations on detection, varying intensity distribution as Cosine-Theta. Uncertainty and determinism emerge consistently 'superposed'. A new law of nature with a domain limited to 'real' entities and interactions, derives QM's statistical probability amplitudes as Bayesian inverse distributions. This is termed the “Law of the Reducing Middle”. Probabilities of any occurrence in an infinite universe are non-zero. A related suggestion emerges; that no two real entities at observable scale are precisely identical at any time. The fundamental rule of mathematics, predicate logic and calculus; A=A is then replaced for natural phenomena with the 'similar' case A~A. The natural 'Dividing Line' discussed by Dirac between precisely mathematically describable entities and the rest is identified, the two parts distinguished as; 'metaphysical', and 'physical entities and interactions'. The metaphysical class retains excluded 'middles' between binary 0,1. The class includes; cardinalised integers, assigned symbols, algebra, statistics, finite values and numerical derivatives; speed, frequency, correlations, statistics etc. Bell's and Wheelers starting assumptions are shown to lead to the paradoxes.
Author BioConsultant in natural and renewable energy technology. Astronomer (Fellow of the RAS) and Chartered Architect specialising in (and dissertation in) environmental sciences and energy. Perpetual part time post grad research student for over 40 years in physics, astronomy, optical science, meteorology, structures, fluid dynamics, dynamic logic, philosophy, history of physics, observational cosmology etc. Studied UK Canterbury, PCL/ University of Westminster. Born UK 1951. peter.jackson53@ymail.com
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on May. 31, 2013 @ 19:36 GMT
The cosine curve video link for the EPR case is here;
cosine curve animation as it's corrupted on pdf versions (sorry if you found the Barclays advert!) or just Google; ' sine-cosine-wave-animation.mp4 '
For any unanswered questions the unabridged version (a few dozen key words longer, still 9 pages but no end-notes) is now at;
Independent Academia; the IQbit.Thanks guys.
basudeba mishra wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 03:27 GMT
Dear Sir,
We don’t understand why scientists should talk mystique language. One example is the way entanglement is presented as an exclusive quantum phenomenon.
Schrödinger coined the term “entanglement” to describe the connection between quantum systems. The entangled state is not an independent state, but a state dependent on another state in some way. For example, if a...
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Dear Sir,
We don’t understand why scientists should talk mystique language. One example is the way entanglement is presented as an exclusive quantum phenomenon.
Schrödinger coined the term “entanglement” to describe the connection between quantum systems. The entangled state is not an independent state, but a state dependent on another state in some way. For example, if a laser is shone at a crystal, it is possible to generate entangled pairs of photons. In that case, it is generally held that a single photon splits to become two photons. This view is not correct as it implies mass for photon or bare charge, both of which are debatable options. Further it may imply internal structure for photons. Each photon produced in this way will always have a polarization orthogonal to the other photon. For example, if one photon has vertical polarization, then the other photon must have horizontal polarization. Thus, if we measure the polarization of one of the entangled pairs of photons, we can know the state of the other photon even without measurement.
Theoretically, two particles can be entangled even if they are light years apart. However, in practice, entanglement seems to break down on the order of a few kilometers. It is like objects within the gravitational field of a planet. They are entangled till the object reaches escape velocity. Similarly if you take a ball of dough and pull it apart by holding it in both hands, for some distance, they remain entangled after which, it breaks down. A pair of socks is also entangled. If we take only one of them by mistake, both the socks do not remain in a superposition of states and collapse to a fixed state only when we look at one. The other sock does not take the opposite orientation, but all along it was like that. Observer only records the state of an object and does not affect the state. The cat’s death or otherwise does not depend on observation. However, we impose our ignorance of the state of the object on the quantum system to make it sensational.
Similarly the argument: “Aristotle is a Proper Noun, the definition of which is a unique entity. There can't then be more than one Aristotle, so A = A can only be true metaphysically” is false. Here the uniqueness is not for the person, but a name of the person – of all possible names, it is one, hence unique. There can be many people with Aristotle as their name and for all of their names, A = A is valid.
The cult of incomprehensibility and name dropping is ruining science.
Regards,
basudeba
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 11:30 GMT
Basudeba,
Good to see you here. I agree most of your comments, and look forward to reading your essay. If it follows you prior work I'm sure I'll agree that too.
There are experimental doubts over your 'a few km' as 10k+ is claimed, but I identify a big difference between local harmonic resonance effects and a truly conserved ''handed' spin state. Hopefully I then remove all the mystery. Your comments give your view but may be better proffering opinions on each essay.
The one thing I wish to explain better is the difference between the 'excluded middle' (A=A) and Godel's n-valued logic (the reducing middle of a probability amplitude distribution). I go to lengths to identify the different 'classes' of real physical 'entities' on one hand and 'assigned symbols/names numbers' on the other. As I respond to Paul below, those embedded in mathematics will not easily distinguish between these, as you haven't. I was astonished to find Paul Dirac HAD found that a line needed to be drawn 'somewhere'!! Though he could not discern where.
If you know anything of logic you'll know famously that maths can't be derived directly from logic, and that all logical systems, like mathematics, are 'ultimately beset by paradox' (including infinities, singularities and transcendental numbers etc). This is however only if logic is based on the foundation of the excluded middle A=A, which ignores quantum uncertainty. So I identify Dirac's 'LINE' as allowing A=A for all mathematics etc, as 'good approximation' od nature, but A~A to allow non paradoxical logic, reality and quantum physics.
If you can however identify or show me ANY two ACTUAL physical entities that are identical down to microscopic level, even grains of sand, then you may stand a change of being correct. I suggest not. Do you think you could?
basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 12:00 GMT
Dear Sir,
Our paper has been published alongside yours.
We are unable to see the physical significance of the excluded middle or the n-valued logic in relation to particles. Can you apply the concepts of the excluded middle or the n-valued logic to proton-neutron conversion? As the famous Cambridge coconut puzzle shows, all of mathematics is not physics. Dirac’s solution of the...
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Dear Sir,
Our paper has been published alongside yours.
We are unable to see the physical significance of the excluded middle or the n-valued logic in relation to particles. Can you apply the concepts of the excluded middle or the n-valued logic to proton-neutron conversion? As the famous Cambridge coconut puzzle shows, all of mathematics is not physics. Dirac’s solution of the puzzle is mathematics, but “-4 coconuts” is not physics.
The validity of a mathematical statement is judged by its logical consistency. This is the opinions of all mathematicians and philosophers of science. Thus your mathematics without logic is not understood by us. Kindly elaborate. Pure mathematics does not have paradoxes. When physicists manipulate mathematics, it gives rise to paradoxes. We have explained it repeatedly. We are doing it now.
Number is a property of all substances by which we differentiate between similars. If there are no other similars, then it is one. If there are similars, then it is many. Depending the times of perception of similars, many can be 2. 3. ….n. Zero is the spatio-temporal absence of something that exists elsewhere. Infinity is like one – without similars – with one difference. While the dimensions (the perception of difference between the “inner space” from “outer space” of an object) of one are fully perceptible, the dimensions of infinity are not perceptible. Since there are no similars like space or time and since the dimensions of space and time cannot be perceived fully, both are infinite. Like different objects with numbers can co-exist, different similarities can co-exist. Mathematics is possible only between numbers, whose dimensions are fully perceived. Hence mathematics using infinities is not possible. Complex numbers are hypothetical and not physical. They cannot be used in computer programming, which does all simulations involving hypothetical concepts.
The problem of division by zero that has led to manipulative “mathematics” called “renormalization”, because the result, that is supposed to be infinity, is erroneous and contrary to mathematical principles. If you divide 20 by 5, then what you actually do is take out bunches of 5 from the lot of 20. When the lot becomes empty or the remainder is below 5, so that it cannot be considered a bunch and taken away further, the number of bunches of 5 are counted. That gives the result of division as 4. In case of division by zero, you take out bunches of zero. At no stage the lot becomes zero or less than zero. Thus, the operation is not complete and result of division cannot be known, just like while dividing 20 by 5, you cannot start counting the result after taking away three bunches. Conclusion: division by zero leaves the number unchanged. Same with singularities and transcendental numbers, etc. We have written a book on this subject. So please do not blame mathematicians.
Finally we recommend you to read the work of Leibnitz on indiscernibles. Can you find the difference between two quantum particles?
Regards,
basudeba
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 13:42 GMT
Basudeba,
The value is in it's power to resolve paradoxes. The sternest test is the EPR paradox. In denying Aristotle = Aristotle you had in mind the name only. A series of man made symbols. Now consider the PERSON and you will find A=A cannot apply, as it cannot PRECISELY to any 2 coconuts. I'll even give you £100 if you can show me two printed letters 'A' that I can't distinguish with an electron microscope!! That is 'physical reality'.
SO as I say for NATURE A=A is false. For mathematical representation it's essential.
You're obviously not familiar with Logic. The word is used loosely in mathematics. Of course you can retain that basic form. But are singularities and transcendental numbers logical? Tell me what precisely, in less that a year, is 2/3rds of 2? Godel showed the limit with his n-valued logic, which gives the Bayesion inverse distribution curve BETWEEEN integers. Cardano and Godel showed how any assumption by mathematicians that A=A is also 'real' leads inevitably to to the paradoxes.
I'n not familiar with proton-neutron conversion, but QM uncertainty must apply, and THAT is what is rendered logical by the 'reducing' middle from a real physical interaction between particles with orbital angular momentum.
But I don't expect all to be able to make the distinction or see it's value in application. According to my thesis we all think differently!
best wishes
PS Please call me Peter
basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 16:45 GMT
Dear Sir,
You have again quoted us wrongly (“In denying Aristotle = Aristotle you had in mind the name only”). We never denied this, but supported this, while you denied this. If “A=A cannot apply”, the “2 coconuts” will be meaningless. Addition is possible only between objects of the same class. You can add one coconut and an apple as fruits only. Otherwise they will be individual members. If we treat a set of one element, we will land in the Russell’s paradox. We have used this to disprove the equivalence principle.
Although we are not interested in betting, still we advise you to type indiscernible on GOOGLE and you will find many papers on this subject starting with Leibnitz.
Mathematics is said to be the language of Science and logical consistency is the proof of validity of a mathematical statement. Thus, if you dent mathematical logic, then your logic must be unscientific. We have already clarified that all of mathematics is not physics and logically inconsistent manipulations are not mathematics. Your reply shows your limited knowledge of physics – particularly elementary particle physics. Thus, our position is difficult for you to understand.
Regards,
basudeba
P.S. We are not addressing your person, but to your intellect. Hence we are addressing Sir.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 20:35 GMT
Basudeba,
You now confuse me. You stated that my argument: "Aristotle is a Proper Noun, the definition of which is a unique entity. There can't then be more than one Aristotle, so A = A can only be true metaphysically." - is false.
I simply proposed, by the definitions of 'physical' v 'metaphysical' I axiomised, that when we consider Aristotle as a PERSON, then Aristotle = Aristotle is not true 'physically' but IS true 'metaphysically', i.e. true mathematically, and also true as names or symbols. Only the 'mapping back to nature' exposed the difference, as you identify between the maths and the nature it is modelling.
Now perhaps your definition of 'metaphysical' differs from the one axiomised, which is as 'representative' of a real physical entity. If not hope you can more clearly explain whether you agree or disagree with my proposition as axiomised.
You also seem to be saying I suggested maths is not logical. Of course I did not!, indeed I suggested that freed of paradox it may then be even MORE logical! The problem indeed lay with Russel's predicates including causing issues for his predicate calculus. There are of course many different logical systems. Do you not agree with Godel?
But I also fear you keep returning to this minor semantic point when missing the very important implications, allowing the logical resolution of Bells theorem. Did you understand the issue with statistical analysis and how it was overcome?
I look forward to reading your essay. Is your disproof is the equivalence principle rationalised in there?
Best wishes
Peter
basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 23:24 GMT
Dear Sir,
What is meant by the equality sign? Both in physics, mathematics and metaphysics, this means we are comparing two related aspects of some objects, when by changing any parameter on the left hand side the behavior of the right hand side matches observation. If you assign the “person” to the left hand side, he being unique, A=A. If you assign the “name” to the left hand...
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Dear Sir,
What is meant by the equality sign? Both in physics, mathematics and metaphysics, this means we are comparing two related aspects of some objects, when by changing any parameter on the left hand side the behavior of the right hand side matches observation. If you assign the “person” to the left hand side, he being unique, A=A. If you assign the “name” to the left hand side, it being unique among names, again A=A. Where is the confusion? Your definition of metaphysics is correct, but that does not affect the outcome. There are no paradoxes in mathematics. All paradoxes are wrong description of facts, as is explained below in refuting equivalence principle:
The cornerstone of GR is the principle of equivalence. It has been generally accepted without much questioning. Equivalence is not a first principle of physics, as is often stated, but merely an ad hoc metaphysical concept designed to induce the uninitiated to imagine that gravity has magical non-local powers of infinite reach. The appeal to believe in such a miraculous form of gravity is very strong. Virtually everyone, and especially physicists, accept Equivalence as an article of faith even though it has never been positively verified by either experimental or observational physics. All of the many experiments and observations show that the equivalence of gravity and inertia simply does not exist. If we analyze the concept scientifically, we find a situation akin to the Russell’s paradox of Set theory, which raises an interesting question: If S is the set of all sets which do not have themselves as a member, is S a member of itself? The general principle (discussed in our book Vaidic Theory of Numbers) is that: there cannot be many without one, meaning there cannot be a set without individual elements (example: a library – collection of books – cannot exist without individual books). In one there cannot be many, implying, there cannot be a set of one element or a set of one element is superfluous (example: a book is not a library) - they would be individual members unrelated to each other as is a necessary condition of a set. Thus, in the ultimate analysis, a collection of objects is either a set with its elements, or individual objects that are not the elements of a set.
Let us examine set theory and consider the property p(x): x does not belong to x, which means the defining property p(x) of any element x is such that it does not belong to x. Nothing appears unusual about such a property. Many sets have this property. A library [p(x)] is a collection of books. But a book is not a library [x does not belong to x]. Now, suppose this property defines the set R = {x : x does not belong to x}. It must be possible to determine if R belongs to R or R does not belong to R. However if R belongs to R, then the defining properties of R implies that R does not belong to R, which contradicts the supposition that R belongs to R. Similarly, the supposition R does not belong to R confers on R the right to be an element of R, again leading to a contradiction. The only possible conclusion is that, the property “x does not belong to x” cannot define a set. This idea is also known as the Axiom of Separation in Zermelo-Frankel set theory, which postulates that; “Objects can only be composed of other objects” or “Objects shall not contain themselves”.
In order to avoid this paradox, it has to be ensured that a set is not a member of itself. It is convenient to choose a “largest” set in any given context called the universal set and confine the study to the elements of such universal set only. This set may vary in different contexts, but in a given set up, the universal set should be so specified that no occasion arises ever to digress from it. Otherwise, there is every danger of colliding with paradoxes such as the Russell’s paradox. Or as it is put in the everyday language: “A man of Serville is shaved by the Barber of Serville if and only if the man does not shave himself?”
There is a similar problem in the theory of General Relativity and the principle of equivalence. Inside a spacecraft in deep space, objects behave like suspended particles in a fluid or like the asteroids in the asteroid belt. Usually, they are relatively stationary in the medium unless some other force acts upon them. This is because of the relative distribution of mass inside the spacecraft and its dimensional volume that determines the average density at each point inside the spacecraft. Further the average density of the local medium of space is factored into in this calculation. The light ray from outside can be related to the space craft only if we consider the bigger frame of reference containing both the space emitting light and the spacecraft. If the passengers could observe the scene outside the space-craft, they will notice this difference and know that the space craft is moving. In that case, the reasons for the apparent curvature will be known. If we consider outside space as a separate frame of reference unrelated to the space craft, the ray emitted by it cannot be considered inside the space craft. The emission of the ray will be restricted to those emanating from within the spacecraft. In that case, the ray will move straight inside the space craft. In either case, the description of Mr. Einstein is faulty. Thus, both SR and GR including the principles of equivalence are wrong descriptions of reality. Hence all mathematical derivatives built upon these wrong descriptions are also wrong. We will explain all so-called experimental verifications of the SR and GR by alternative mechanisms or other verifiable explanations.
Relativity is an operational concept, but not an existential concept. The equations apply to data and not to particles. When we approach a mountain from a distance, its volume appears to increase. What this means is that the visual perception of volume (scaling up of the angle of incoming radiation) changes at a particular rate. But locally, there is no such impact on the mountain. It exists as it was. The same principle applies to the perception of objects with high velocities. The changing volume is perceived at different times depending upon our relative velocity. If we move fast, it appears earlier. If we move slowly, it appears later. Our differential perception is related to changing angles of radiation and not the changing states of the object. It does not apply to locality. Einstein has also admitted this. But the Standard model treats these as absolute changes that not only change the perceptions, but change the particle also!
Regards,
basudeba
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basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 23:28 GMT
Dear Sir,
We are not discussing Bell's theorem or Godel here because of space constraint. In case you are interested, we can mail these separately to you.
Regards,
basudeba
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 09:34 GMT
Basudeba,
I have proposed that if maths and physics assume that processes are identically repeatable, or that two identical objects may exist, then they are not precisely describing nature. That does not of course makes mathematics itself 'wrong'!
My falsifiable evidence is this; Ask a top player to firmly break a frame of snooker balls by hitting at velocity u. I propose that any...
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Basudeba,
I have proposed that if maths and physics assume that processes are identically repeatable, or that two identical objects may exist, then they are not precisely describing nature. That does not of course makes mathematics itself 'wrong'!
My falsifiable evidence is this; Ask a top player to firmly break a frame of snooker balls by hitting at velocity u. I propose that any attempt to recreate the final complex pattern of balls in the same way will fail. Experiment 2; ALL grains of sand created by the same process in a desert will be different in some way. I go further; Experiment 3; Smash two coconuts together and film with a high speed camera. You may repeat for 1,000 years!!, but even if (4) we say we'll smash two 'identical' coconuts together (only metaphysically possible) we won't achieve the precise same outcome!
Now what I point out is that at present we DO NOT HAVE any 'category' or law beyond the 'Law of the Excluded Middle' so cannot rationalise the deviations. Can you perhaps suggest one?
You may be thinking, well the mathematical description is precise, it's trivial if nature varies slightly so why worry? I suggest that thinking hides the truth. It is NATURE that's primarily important here, not Maths! Wigner missed the point. There are fundamental non-trivial truth's we've missed by thinking as we do. You say "all paradoxes are wrong". I agree. It's our poor thinking at fault.
Maths is an abstract (metaphysical) 'approximation' of nature, where A=A is essential, and I agree all you say of it's domain. But when we are considering the (physical) entities nature alone, and REAL interactions, then we need a different descriptor, which can only be the 'squiggle' approximation of =, ;A~A, which is then equivalent to a Bayesian inverse distribution as a quantum PA distribution. Effectively this shows we have underparameterized the complexities of nature with our mathematics. In the EPR case, the statistical method used cannot then access and quantify the additional degrees of freedom in nature. (The proposed approach has exposed solutions to many resolutions of paradoxes and anomalies in astrophysics).
Do you now better understand? I look forward to reading your essay and chapter on Bells Inequalities.
PS. To tune yourself in to the well developed philosophies on this on FQXi you'd do well to read the winning essay last year and, for instance, the McEachern and Sycamore essays.
Best wishes
Peter
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basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 12:06 GMT
Dear Sir,
Leibniz formulated the principle of identity of the indiscernibles, which states that: if there is no way to establish the difference between two objects, then they are identical. This implies that interchanging the positions of two identical objects does not change the physical state of those two objects. This interchange symmetry of identical objects had no observable...
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Dear Sir,
Leibniz formulated the principle of identity of the indiscernibles, which states that: if there is no way to establish the difference between two objects, then they are identical. This implies that interchanging the positions of two identical objects does not change the physical state of those two objects. This interchange symmetry of identical objects had no observable consequences in the classical physics. But the realization that the quantum particles like electrons and photons are all identical and there is no way to distinguish one electron from another or one photon from another led to the belief that a consequence of this identity is the existence of a new kind of force, called “exchange force”, between them. This has led to further developments of quantum physics. You are questioning the very foundations of quantum physics.
The examples quoted by you are not appropriate. They all refer to causality and times arrow. Once something is destroyed, it is gone. Even if you reassemble, it is not the same original object, because in the meanwhile, everything in the world has changed; though imperceptibly. So your recombination will be similar not same. “Excluded middle” is a misguiding concept that tries to creates another category of the same object. If it belongs to a different category, it cannot be middle except for position or event. According to your logic, all charge neutral objects will be “excluded middle”, because, they are neither positively nor negatively charged. But to be “excluded middle” it has to be a charged object, which it is not. Thus, it leads to a contradiction.
About hiding the truth, please read our essay, which has been published just above your entry. The very title describes it.
Mathematics is not “an abstract (metaphysical) 'approximation' of nature”. On the contrary, it is most precise. Only its manipulation has led to the approximations in physics. Mathematical space always contains one dimension more than physical space. For example, a point in physical space has existence, but no dimension, but a point in mathematical space requires at least a line or intersection of lines. A straight line in physical space is the minimum distance between two points, i.e., in one dimension. In mathematical space, it must be drawn on a two dimensional paper. So on. This leads to abstraction.
Regards,
basudeba
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 15:54 GMT
Basudeba,
This one comment; "Mathematics is not "an abstract (metaphysical) 'approximation' of nature". On the contrary, it is most precise." suggests that you may still be confused about my point. As I stated, I agree maths is indeed absolutely precise and predictable. I'm only pointing out that nature itself is not. So then maths as a 'representation' of nature cannot precisely correspond.
I'm proposing something quite new and unfamiliar, which does indeed question a (very shaky!) foundation of quantum physics.
You invoke 'times arrow' and suggest; "The examples quoted by you are not appropriate." I agree in your view they are not. Yet they are real, as ALL 'repeatable' experiments are. Can you test 2 electrons at the same time with the same equipments? You dismiss reality to insist maths is 'better'. I agree maths is more precise. That's fine. I just make the shocking proposal that perhaps it is not also 'better' at describing the 'less precise'.
I've just watched a video of a new Lee Smolin lecture. He now seems to be proposing almost precisely the same thing, that each interaction in nature is entirely unique. You have not answered my questions re discernment. If you feel maths does precisely describe nature do say so, if not perhaps offer a better discernment.
The importance of parametrising the excluded middle, to which another 'layer' of maths CAN be applied, is overcoming the assumptions that correlations and statistics as currently applied can gain access to resolution of paradox such as EPR.
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Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 03:52 GMT
Congratulations Peter for the new essay. The various topics you touched upon are all interesting and very relevant to this year's fqxi contest question. Like you I have concluded that qubits are basic in physics. Your IQubits sound good, but as in everything else new in physics will have to be understood and tested by experts. Unfortunately experts more often than not cling to tried and tested concepts and simply do not make the effort when there is something new to check out and develop. So people like us proposing new ideas will have to beome our own experts and try our best to present our nebulous ideas in such a way to convince others to think along the new lines.
I see that you subscribe to probability as basic and axiomatic. This is one of those long-held views in QM - it may well turn out that probability is emergent from a deep order in the vacuume, as I suggested in the last section of my paper.
In your essay you mentioned Malus's law. I could not help a personal interest in this physicist. Malus was an officer in Napoleon's army that invaded Egypt and Palestine in 1799. They attacked and brutally ransacked Jaffa, my family's ancestral town. Malus describes in his diary the resulting massacres and plague which infected the troops including Malus himself. The story is told in SPIE's Optical Anecdotes (available in Google books online). Malus returned to France and recovered to make history where it mattered, in optical physics!
Let the Qubits roll!
Good luck in the contest
Vladimir
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 11:10 GMT
Vladimir,
Good to hear from you. The IQbit is only a vehicle to demonstrate how non fundamental the bit is. I've now read your excellent essay and agree your 'deeper order', which is equivalent to the infinite ordered 'subsets' of sample space probability distributions I identify, probably well below Planck scale, but like a vanishing point on an art work, it it not reality as there is no such real thing as a 'point'. So I conclude causal 'DETERMINISM', but that nothing is 'PRE-DETERMINED,' a subtle but important distinction. (see my linked unabridged version conclusions)
I particularly agreed, exposing Basudeba's belief above and as my note to Paul below, your comment; "in arrogance and short-sightedness we have fallen into the trap of confusing our derived knowledge of Reality with Reality itself."
I'm disappointed no comments so far on my EPR case resolution, which I think is original and seminal. I know it's complex, is it too complex?
Paul Reed wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 06:59 GMT
Peter
“no two physical entities are identical”
Why is this surprising? If there are 2, or more, then by definition, they are different. Indeed, everything is different over time. We know this, but do not follow it through to its logical conclusion, instead we rationalise it in terms of ‘it changes’. Which is a contradiction, because if there is change then it is different.
“will be found absolutely identical when observed at above molecular level”
The point about difference is not just related to one aspect of existence. Apart from anything else, existence only occurs in one form, what is, or is not, observable is irrelevant, that does not affect existence. Which can only occur in a sequence of discrete definitive physically existent states of whatever comprises it, otherwise the dichotomy of existence and difference cannot be resolved. Objects as conceived at a higher level do not exist as such, they are conceptualisations of the existential sequence based on superficial physical attributes.
“in an infinite universe Cox and Forshawviii are correct; everything that can happen will happen”
But we are not in an infinite universe, so this belief is irrelevant. We are trapped in an existentially closed system, where existence is only manifest to us in, what may or may not be, a particular form. But we will never know, because we cannot transcend our existence. That is what religion does, not science.
Paul
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 10:55 GMT
Paul
You ask; Why is it surprising? that "no two physical entities are identical."
You only need to read Basudeba's stated belief above to see why it needs pointing out. Most have become so familiar with the symbols we invoke to "represent" reality that they have, like Basudeba, come to believe the symbol or 'name' actually IS the real entity!, or at least is equivalent.
What I've pointed out is, as Dirac identified, that there are two CLASSES which we've mixed up. There is the REAL, which is 'entities' and 'interactions', and then EVERYTHING else!! (maths and derivatives). For most, like Basudeba, and most mathematicians it seems, this will go straight over their heads as the assumption is too deeply entrenched and hidden. You have done well to see it but you may even prove to be in a minority. However, it is the implications that are important!
INFINITE UNIVERSE. In a universe based on 'reality', if you can show any logic for either physical boundaries or temporal limits then I agree. But in saying; 'all that can happen will', I don't refer to the closed system you refer. I agree it would certainly not be true with that axiom. But if I had suggested last year that you were at 'non-zero' risk of the ground opening up and swallowing you while you slept, or a shooting star smashing all your windows, you may have called me foolish. Again it's the implication that's far more important; supporting the 'reducing' middle A~A for "reality", (Bayesian inverse probability distribution curve) not the 'excluded' middle (A=A and 0 or 1) that maths uses and is at the foundation of all logical paradox. (predicate logic).
basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 12:08 GMT
Dear Sir,
We never said that: "the symbol or 'name' actually IS the real entity!, or at least is equivalent." This is your statement. All we said is that :"Here the uniqueness is not for the person, but a name of the person – of all possible names, it is one, hence unique. There can be many people with Aristotle as their name and for all of their names, A = A is valid."
Regarding the issue of indiscernibles, please read our comment above.
Regards,
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Paul Reed replied on Jun. 2, 2013 @ 06:04 GMT
Peter
I am not sure that most people fail to understand the difference between reality and representations thereof. Furthermore, representations thereof, if they correspond with existence as knowable to us, are perfectly acceptable. You seem to fail to understand that, for us, there is no reality which we can ‘directly access’. Physical existence is all that is potentially knowable to us (this explains no infinite), whether we can attain it is another, practical not metaphysical, matter. But what that means is that, once proven (within the existentially closed system within which we are confined), knowledge can be deemed to be the equivalent of physical existence.
The real issue here is our ontologically incorrect conception of reality. We conceive of it in terms of superficial characteristics, even though we know what is occurring is altering. And we do not follow that through to its conclusion. Which is that to obtain both existence and difference, then whatever comprises it must be in a sequence of discrete definitive physically existent states. That is the proper generic physical explanation of what you are trying to say.
Paul
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basudeba mishra replied on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 08:26 GMT
Dear Sir,
Your statement on reality echos the ancient Indian Philosophy of Vedanta. It was proposed to resolve the seemingly differences between various texts dealing with consciousness. Since the mechanism of perception, which is associated with consciousness (as in the statement “I know this”), is same in all cases to all persons at all times, the ultimate reality is one and immutable and cannot be directly accessed. But when we come to the physical world, the position is different.
It is true that everything is ever changing. But change is ever present. And that is real. The question is: in an ever-changing world, how do we define reality? The only possibility is by accepting the “representations thereof, if they correspond with existence as knowable to us” – as per your statement. This correspondence is done by assigning an invariant concept to each object and giving it a name. This is nothing but information. Thus, information has three components: the transmitter, the receiver and the message. The link is perception. Unless the receiver decodes and perceives the message, it is meaningless. Since transmission is subject to interference from the ever changing environment, we have to take into account of that also.
Hence we define reality as the invariant aspect associated with all objects and consistent with other universal physical laws (existence), that can be perceived as a concept (knowability) and expressed through a language (communicability). Since the three aspects are related, anything showing these characteristics is real.
Regards,
basudeba
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 08:56 GMT
Paul,
Interesting view, and I can't see how it conflicts with mine. I propose very rare but clear definitions of detection, processing and measurement by a processor by comparing against it's own 'time'. This is all normally collected under the poorly understood umbrella we call 'observation'.
I also identify that, one emitted, all signals are just physical artifacts of an event, which artifacts can be effected, so changed, en route to a detector, then changed again (wavefunction collapse) before processing.
There is than clearly no access to the original emission, but I then also identify that the processor has no access even to the wavefunction state just prior to detection, and go on to discuss the critical implications of this. The main one is that the assumption of which 'rest frame' (emitter, approach, or detector) to use for the calculation of 'speed' is incorrect. When the wavelength in the 'channel' (optic nerve) is used, then the 'rest frame' of the channel itself must be used; I then identify that as our processors habitually assume the 'approach' rest frame (in the Doppler frequency formula) then it's no surprise that we find paradoxes!
Now all this clearly defines precisely WHY we cannot access any of the 'reality' from where light signals eminate, and the consequences of assuming we can. So when I read; "You seem to fail to understand that, for us, there is no reality which we can ‘directly access’.
I'm a bit disappointed all the above seems not to have been presented clearly enough in my essay. Or if anything in there indicates that I'm of the view you suggest, do please identify it for me.
Your comments on my detailed analysis and its' consequences would be welcome, as I know it's complexity may make it hard to follow.
Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 12:13 GMT
Basudeba,
"Hence we define reality as the invariant aspect associated with all objects and consistent with other universal physical laws (existence), that can be perceived as a concept (knowability) and expressed through a language (communicability). Since the three aspects are related, anything showing these characteristics is real."
Yes. I fully understand that has been our dominant convention and familiar habit. My proposition is that this convention leaves no room for distinguishing actual physical reality (nature itself) from the systems of symbols and concepts we have invented and assigned to 'represent' it and 'model' it's evolution.
As it's been said, it will take a computer the size of the universe to precisely model the evolution of the universe. Our computers and brains are smaller, but we have grown familiar with thinking the results of computations ARE equivalent to nature. We've become so familiar with that position that it no longer occurs to us or seems reasonable that the difference may be important. I am pointing out that the difference CAN be important, so must be identified. Also then that you have not yet falsified the proposition you said was false when considering (as I specified) the strictly 'physical', as opposed to 'metaphysical' where A=A.
So I am drawing Dirac's 'Line', shocking though it may be. Can you suggest a different position for the line? Or different descriptions than 'Physical' and 'Metaphysical' to make the unfamiliar look more palatable?
Peter
Paul Reed replied on Jun. 4, 2013 @ 06:20 GMT
Peter
“Interesting view, and I can't see how it conflicts with mine”
I did not say it did, in terms of the end conclusion.
In the simplest possible language, all you are saying is that there is only ever an A. There can be other occurrences which have similarities, but there is only ever one A. This is both correct, and a somewhat obvious statement. However, as is often the case, the logical consequence of simple facts then gets lost in the mist.
Because the question then is, so how does physical existence occur so that this is true. And the answer, which I have been stating for the past two years, is that physical existence must be a sequence of definitive discrete physically existent states of whatever comprises it. The existent state is your A. This is the only way in which existence (which is invariant) and difference (which is variant) can be reconciled.
The point about A has nothing to do with light, neither is there any need to resolve paradoxes since these are a function of flawed theories which misrepresent physical existence (eg relativity and QM). It is proven by the fact as to how physical existence, as knowable to us, must occur. Now, what actually occurs in practice is the difficult bit, I just do the easy generic stuff.
Paul
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Paul Reed replied on Jun. 4, 2013 @ 06:32 GMT
Peter/Basudeba
I just thought, although this is stated elsewhere, it might be useful to back that post up with the point about the true nature of it.
We conceive of our existence from the perspective of superficial physical attributes, ie not what exists. Indeed we even contradict that. We know there is alteration, but we rationalise it by saying ‘it has changed’. Bits have fallen off St Pauls Cathedral, but it is still deemed to be St Pauls. But it isn’t, it is different. More importantly, we know that what constitutes what we know as St Pauls is in a constant state of change (put it under an electron microscope!). The point being that St Pauls, as such, does not exist. If one dispenses with the ‘it changes’ misconception, then the logic takes you to what is actually existent at any given time, which is a physically existent state. St Pauls, just like everything else, is a sequence of physicall existent states, which from a higher conception than the existent, appears to persist in the same physical form over time.
Paul
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Jacek Safuta wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 10:55 GMT
Hi Peter,
Even though my own view on the reality is different I really appreciate your experimental approach. Many physicists create theories that do not generate predictions so they are not falsifiable. We disagree and we should disagree but the final judgment is possible by an experiment.
I have proposed an experiment too and I hope that some content of your essay could possibly be helpful in the detailed configuration of my experimental equipment. As I am nonacademic entrant maybe you could advise me a bit in my experiment?
Your essay is not easy to comprehend so I plan to read it once more and then try to discuss.
Best regards
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 13:47 GMT
Jack,
Thanks. I'll offer any help I can. I normally disect others experiments to spot errors and poor interpretations (rife!) rather than doing my own, but it is fun.
I've put your essay on my list to read soon. I'm intrigued specifically where it is we disagree, and look forward to finding why.
Best of luck.
Peter
Wilhelmus de Wilde de Wilde wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 15:14 GMT
Hi Peter,
I reread your essay attentively,
and it seems that we have a lot of paralels ( not exactly the same ideas but they share the same thoughts).
* the two higher order spaces you describe as infinite hierarchical subsets of "sample space" and the "excluded middle" are perceptions of what I called Total Simultaneity, and in my essay (which is submitted now and waiting for acceptance) I try to find the origin of this Total Simultaneity in the form of the "Primal Sequence".
* Your "excuded middle" may seem like all the possible pure states between the two extremities of yes/no 0/1 etc.
you say " no two physical entities are identical". fully agree because of the fact that each individual is receivibg different data (difference in distance means difference in time observation) so Aristotle is only Aristotle for himself, all the other ones as described in history books are not the real one , just because of the fact that nor you nor me IS aristotle.
Cardano's sample space : you mention : set of all possible outcomes, sample space is also an infinite scale hierarchy of many higher order spaces or subsets...... touches my Total Simultaneity, only I place this entity beyond the Planck length and time where there is no longer before and after.
* you say : by using some datum for signal speed etc "only then can any measurement be made" We can make any measurement just by agrreing on the references but.... also these references stay relative, the reference of reference is our consciousness.
* I do not understand your line : Free space is faster than solid optics, or does it mean that in absilute vaccum light is faster as in solids ?
* In the EPR paradox you mention : The "interveing" results etc... This is what in my essay is meant by "the shades of grey".
I enjoyed very much your essay, we are both on the same road, and once I received my code for rating I will rate you in accordance.
Wilhelmus
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 15:53 GMT
Wilhelmus,
Thank you kindly. I agree there are some close analogies and am glad you find so much agreement. I greatly look forward to reading yours as usual.
Yes, when talking about signal speed; "Free space is faster than solid optics", meant propagation speed in fibre optics is far slower than a vacuum, in fact almost exactly 2/3rds as fast. But free space then has other issues, whether air or a so-called vacuum, due to uncontrollable stochastic (random) interactions etc.
Best wishes
Peter
Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 15:15 GMT
Thanks Peter we agree about some basic things. I re-read your proposal concerning EPR and Bell's experiment. Are you proposing using green and red light? How can such an entangled pair be produced? It is a highly technical field that I do not have the gumption to enter at this time! I am entangled in lines of computer code trying to simulate some scenarios in my Beautiful Universe theory
To my mind the crux of EPR and Bell is that everyone, Einstein and friends included, assumed that the two photons are probabilistic, so that when it turns out they are related it seems so strange and some hidden explanation is necessary. Not if one thinks that the pair are in sync (but with opposite spin) from their initial emission until they reach the detectors. It is the randomness of phase (state in the atoms) of the detectors - not the assumed probabilistic randomness of the photons - that produce the famous non-classical sensing effects. It is much ado about nothing really. I hope this explanation makes sense and can be used to demystify the experimental results.
And of course when I say 'photon' I mean a wave packet not a point particle.
Is your son presenting an essay this year? With best wishes to you both.
Vladimir
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Anonymous replied on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 18:37 GMT
Vladimir,
Red and green lights are fine if we have a photographers light meter to obtain an 'intensity' reading in each case. Better still, red and green lights as toroidal rings of smaller lights, which would genuinely represent the orbital energy distribution in the case of EACH interaction.
What fools experimenters at present is the belief that 'statistical analysis' of many non correlated photons in a stream can take the place of real comparisons between individual pairs. In other words, the Malus' Law orbital distribution at interaction is simply not available to most present experimental techniques.
Or the 'Shapiro' trick is used. Throw away as much inconsistent data as you need to get the result you want. Get a 1 second delay of a radar signal bounced from Venus when near the sun, then make an allowance of all but 2ns for ionospheric diffraction (not existent in SR at the time of course) then take that away from the total and, guess what; you get a result of 2ns! precisely as predicted!!
Of course SR CAN admit diffraction, but they didn't know that then, and the real data didn't emerge until much later. Venus Express has now also confirmed the cause. If an experimenter doing his PhD like Aspect found result INconsistent with Bell's prediction he'd have failed of course. Yet to his credit he was honest, in the French paper at least, about the aberrations thrown away.
I suggest now that 'wave-packet' be 'squared' by Born's Rule to work in 3D not 2D and considered as a helix. It won't happen of course!
I think Matt was a bit disillusioned last year but I don't know about Charley. It seems the trolls now start instantly; A score of 2 seemed to hit mine within a minute of appearing! I hope most are too honest to lower themselves to that.
Peter
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 1, 2013 @ 19:16 GMT
Vladimir,
Whoops! I see the hidden 'log-out' is still around! That was of course me above.
Sorry about what that horrid froggy did to your family home. Boney had a lot to answer for by the time he met his Waterloo. Their punishment is now eternally having to learn English to participate in science. A bit harsh, but serves them right!
Nice oranges.
Peter
Anonymous wrote on Jun. 2, 2013 @ 08:00 GMT
Thanks Peter!
Yes working with single packets of light if possible is the only way to study all these amazing mind-boggling phenomena. One day someone can prove experimentally whether the photon is helical or not). As you point out there are many clever ways to get wrong results, particularly when relying on statistical arguments.
As they say let's "keep on truckin'!"
Vladimir
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 2, 2013 @ 18:03 GMT
Joe,
I've read your great essay and also agree everything you say above.
I hope my proposal for the solution to your question didn't pass you by. Drawa a dividing line; Real entities and interactions on one side only A~A), and mathematics and all related derivatives etc. on the other (A=A). Do give me your views. Basudeba (above) has objections, as I suspect will many steeped in and too familiar with just mathematical thinking.
It's great to find some mutual thinking and support. Alan Kadin is also close.
I'll respond with more comments on yours on your string.
Best of luck.
Joe Fisher wrote on Jun. 3, 2013 @ 14:54 GMT
Dear Astronomer Jackson,
I am stunned by your praise of my essay. Due to my abysmal lack of a formal education, although I tried as hard as I could as I read it; I did not understand any of your essay at all. I responded to the “identical states” impossibility noted in the comments posted about your essay. I accept unequivocally your solution to the unique/identical problem.
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Philip Gibbs wrote on Jun. 4, 2013 @ 20:11 GMT
Peter, once again you have made a valuable contribution to the essay contest. It is a pleasure to read.
I see a lot of parallels with my acataleptic universe and I am please that you have given it a view from a different angle. Godel said that things could be true or false or undecidable, but undecidability may also be undecidable. It may also be that if it is true then it is decidable but otherwise it is undecidable and that is all we can know, so there are many possibilities and they have a layered structure.
The Monte Hall problem is the same. The correct answer is not that the probability is a half or a third. In fact you don't know the probability because you don't know the strategy that the presenter is using. You might be able to estimate the probability of certain strategies and then you would have probabilities of probabilities for the answer. This is analogous to how multiple quantisation works. I'm glad you have a reference to Weizsäcker about this.
Good luck, I will return later and see how the comments are progressing.
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John Brodix Merryman wrote on Jun. 5, 2013 @ 01:23 GMT
Peter,
While I'm not schooled sufficiently on the technical aspects to judge it by its own standards, it does seem a very good take down of the mathematical view of reality.
If if I may go slightly off tangent, since there is little likelihood the establishment is going to come back from multiverses anytime soon, we may as well explore further, rather than be too concerned with...
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Peter,
While I'm not schooled sufficiently on the technical aspects to judge it by its own standards, it does seem a very good take down of the mathematical view of reality.
If if I may go slightly off tangent, since there is little likelihood the establishment is going to come back from multiverses anytime soon, we may as well explore further, rather than be too concerned with being heard.
Consider your observation, "There is the REAL, which is 'entities' and 'interactions'"
What are "entities," other than a deeper level of interaction? Consider the extent to which our western object oriented thought process sets the conceptual foundation, even when we try to look beyond it. For example, consider gravity; While we know it is a property of mass and if we were to tunnel to the center of the earth, the gravitational attraction in all directions would balance out. Yet it doesn't seem as though we apply that to the galaxy as a whole, where the assumption is that we would be falling into that mathematical singularity of a black hole. Wouldn't we actually be in the center, the eye of a gravitational storm, where the primary effect would be rotation, not being sucked into some other dimension? Then spun around and shot out the poles as jets of gas?
With the idea of black holes, we are just mathematically extrapolating the attraction toward the center that we experience on the surface of the planet.
As I argued previously, gravity is the vacuum effect of radiant light ultimately condensing/fusing into cosmic rays, interstellar gases, quantum particles, atoms, matter, metals, etc. There is no dark matter, but there is an excess of cosmic rays on the outskirts of galaxies and if this is a distributed process of all the energy acting as vortices within vortices, it might well seem to have an instantaneous attraction, as everything is embedded in the flow, not just isolated centers of attraction.
What I'm getting at here is how thinking of it as one wholistic process in which "entities" are subsets of the whole and not the "entities" as foundational to a whole that is only a sum of its constituent parts. Top down as contextuality.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 5, 2013 @ 11:27 GMT
John,
"What are "entities," other than a deeper level of interaction?" Good question, but I'd say 'the distinguishable 'result' of interaction'. then that only leaves the unknowable as unknown, what is the universe ultimately made of? Certainly not 'matter' as we know it. My point was only to distinguish the 'physical' from the rest, to allow a quite new 'line' to be drawn.
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John,
"What are "entities," other than a deeper level of interaction?" Good question, but I'd say 'the distinguishable 'result' of interaction'. then that only leaves the unknowable as unknown, what is the universe ultimately made of? Certainly not 'matter' as we know it. My point was only to distinguish the 'physical' from the rest, to allow a quite new 'line' to be drawn.
You may recall my paper on AGN dynamics ('Black Holes'), where the 'centre' is where the helical 'windings' around the toroid of matter from the accretion disc (old galactic matter) are focussed into the quasar jets, which precess around each other, finally ripping apart ('re-ionizing') the last coherent atoms. Most of that, after a few years pushing, is now becoming accepted astrophysics. I also agree the Lagrangian point at ALL centres of mass, as my 2011 essay.
Your note on gravity is interesting. Photoionization is indeed 'pair production' of condensed fermion vorteces in the QV, which is matter from light. Again now becoming better known. It's called 'Impulsive stimulated Raman scattering' (ISRS); "expressed as a linear response to the instantaneous Stokes parameters (ISPs) of the laser pulse. These IPSs expressed in rotational coordinates are then shown to be responsible for the angular momentum transfer from light to matter."
Higuchi et al. Jan 2013This the IS what's described as dark matter, which is what is now actually physically found by the Alpha Spectrometer and other probes, i.e. diffuse plasma. I agree it's certainly a wholistic process, the plasma is condensed at local compression points to modulate EM fluctuation re-propagation speed to c. Beautiful simplicity!
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John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 5, 2013 @ 15:40 GMT
Peter,
Another point would be the effort to eradicate space as a primary aspect of reality, We have the Higgs field to explain inertia and multiverses as blowback from avoiding infinities, the entire universe emerging from a point because space is treated as a measure of points, etc. I think this, the banishing of space, that will prove to be the ultimate hubris.
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Peter,
Another point would be the effort to eradicate space as a primary aspect of reality, We have the Higgs field to explain inertia and multiverses as blowback from avoiding infinities, the entire universe emerging from a point because space is treated as a measure of points, etc. I think this, the banishing of space, that will prove to be the ultimate hubris.
Can't have a monolithic, object oriented theology in an infinite context.
Also you seem to be more informed than I, as all I seem to hear are the howls of the old(susy, strings) crumbling, yet pushing out to ever more cosmic extremes(multiverses).
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 5, 2013 @ 16:56 GMT
John,
I agree, physics is a dark labyrinth with a lot of howling and utter confusion. You have identified the magic button. The only problem with 'ether' was that it was assumed to have to be 'absolute' (i.e. one single 'frame' for the whole universe. But if 'regions' of space move with respect to other there is no problem at all. he WMAP data found just that, as Smoot's 2004 Nobel...
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John,
I agree, physics is a dark labyrinth with a lot of howling and utter confusion. You have identified the magic button. The only problem with 'ether' was that it was assumed to have to be 'absolute' (i.e. one single 'frame' for the whole universe. But if 'regions' of space move with respect to other there is no problem at all. he WMAP data found just that, as Smoot's 2004 Nobel analysis (Smoot's website refers to 'ether'). But craven religious physicists were scared to death, not ready to accept ether back
I tried to bring back 'space' with last year's essay. And what happened? Good support, finishing 7th, but completely ignored by the 'professionals'. It's also implicit this year (or 'allowed' but well hidden) but should emerge from the proof of EPR resolution. Unfortunately that appears to be beyond most to understand, certainly by the score so far!
Cest' la vie.
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John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 5, 2013 @ 22:25 GMT
Peter,
Keep in mind absolute and infinite are not interchangeable. Yes, absolute means an state lacking all distinction and thus not having any boundaries, so would be unlimited, but what it really refers to is the lack of distinguishing features means there cannot be motion, which requires reference. Both ether and moving frames allow motion. I'm simply talking blank, empty space. No frames or contents to move. No boundaries. Nothing.
The alternative is to assume everything began, space included, at a singularity, which being something, needs explanation. What I'm saying is that with empty space, not ether, there is no need for explanation. It doesn't have to be balanced by an opposite effect, as it is nothing/zero. Not zero as a point, but the absence of any reference. Yet this does give it two characteristics, in that it is both absolute and infinite, which are the parameters of all.
Even God can't beat that.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 6, 2013 @ 08:59 GMT
John,
I'm afraid God beat that hands down! His solution is far simpler. So simple, beautiful and perfect that man can hardly grasp it and make it stick to the messy neural networks in our heads. You did so once, but , as with most it slipped away. Are you willing to try again? Let's give it a go.
1. Space is not 'nothing'. Call it what you will, but only the dense ion particle fields...
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John,
I'm afraid God beat that hands down! His solution is far simpler. So simple, beautiful and perfect that man can hardly grasp it and make it stick to the messy neural networks in our heads. You did so once, but , as with most it slipped away. Are you willing to try again? Let's give it a go.
1. Space is not 'nothing'. Call it what you will, but only the dense ion particle fields condensed between it's co. Moving regions are important (i.e. bow shocks).
2. In Einstein's terms 'absolute' referred to a 'one only' background ether frame. He was right. this cannot work. However, he only had to ban the 'one only' ('absolute') characteristic not the concept of 'background' itself. (Stokes/Fresnel got close, but Lorentz/Lodge's poor understanding caused them to dismiss it.)
3. So we DO have Einstein's (1952) "Smaller space 's' in motion wrt larger space 'S'." Earth's LOCAL ECI 'frame', including the ionosphere, is then a REAL PHYSICAL ENTITY moving wrt the barycentric frame (solar system,)
4. EM waves 'PROPAGATE', which is a LOCAL phenomena, at c IN each frame. light the CHANGES SPEED to the LOCAL c everywhere. (scattered to c by the shock particles) there is then ALWAYS a datum for speed, as there must be. The particles are essential to implement the change. The Doppler shift of wavelength is the result, obviously limited to (so 'by') the minimum wavelength 'gamma'.
5. Inertial systems are then real, local and mutually exclusive. They are formed by states of motion. They include all detectors 'lenses' which may be in their own rest frame. Once assimilated its simple beauty emerges.
Now this 'discrete field' based (DFM) system works perfectly, in application it matches observation perfectly, is entirely free of paradox and resolves all known anomalies, and all it's many predictions are born out by findings. I have well over 200 papers which, between the lines, show the completed jigsaw puzzle.
So why is it not adopted? Because it is unfamiliar. To those schooled in different physics it is 'different', so is obviously wrong. I've now asked hundreds to falsify it. They try, and all fail, so revert to, "yes but it MUST BE wrong because it's 'different' to our (paradox and anomaly ridden) beliefs!"
What somewhat confuses me is why so many NOT indoctrinated by other nonsense can't visualise the dynamics. You're far better placed than me to help by explaining what it is that prevents it appearing obvious. Can you help? I'm at a bit of a loss to be honest.
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John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 6, 2013 @ 10:54 GMT
Peter,
I'm not saying there are not smaller frames, I'm just saying there are always larger frames. Any bounded entity/frame will have a larger context.
For an example of both this and the unwillingness of others to consider it,
here is a discussion I've been having with Cormac O'Raifeartaigh over how saying space is expanding and retaining a constant speed of light is contradictory. Suffice to say, neither you nor I have much luck peeling anyone away from the herd(headed for the cliff) and if we did, they would lose any influence on the herd, thus canceling any benefit. May as well let the wave pass and try picking up the pieces after they finally do run off the edge.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 6, 2013 @ 11:31 GMT
John,
Agreed, always a local background, an infinite hierarchy, and of something, with a 'state of motion', NOT 'nothing'.
I suspect because everything IS observer dependent, then your argument with Cormac is rendered entirely semantic and 'trivial' (in the scientific sense) as using different datums you are both correct.
i.e. When you measure the LOCAL propagation speed of light, i.e. wrt the local medium, you WILL still find it as c, no matter what the expansion rate. The ket to the solution is the APPARENT speed of light (c+v) when not measured in your rest frame.
Sit on your hot air balloon watching Concord fly past. The light pulse in the plane will APPEAR to be doing c. Yet both the pulse in the plane and the light signals scattered laterally to your lens are both doing c. i.e. THERE NEVER WAS A PROBLEM!!! All observers DETECTING the light that reaches them find c. Can you see any problem? Humanity has simply been stupid!
Put a large steak on for me.
PS; Where on Earth do all those beans come from that the cowboys always eat?
John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 6, 2013 @ 20:11 GMT
Peter,
It's not really about the speed of light, but lightyears as a galactic measure. We can only measure the speed of light here on earth, but use this unit as an intergalactic yardstick. A lightyear is about 6 trillion miles. So consider we just say two galaxies x6 trillion miles apart, grow to be 2x6 trillion miles apart. That is increased distance, not "stretched" space.
As I pointed out to Cormac, if space is what you measure with a ruler, then stretching it means stretching the ruler.
It may be trivial, but I like my logic not to contradict, if possible.
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John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 6, 2013 @ 20:13 GMT
Beans are big in the southwest. Think Mexico.
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Paul Reed replied on Jun. 7, 2013 @ 06:28 GMT
Peter
The problem you have with this particular aspect of your theory is, essentially, twofold:
-everything is observer independent, not dependent, indeed physical existence occurs independently of any form of sensing
-it is irrelevant whether light travels at a constant speed, or apparently so, depending on what reference is chosen to calibrate its speed, in the sense that there is no issue to be resolved between rate of change (aka time) and speed of light. Einstein had no observational light. His second postulate as defined is irrelevant, because he did not deploy it as defined. His light was just a constant, used to calibrate distance and duration, it was not observational.
Paul
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 7, 2013 @ 11:55 GMT
John,
I agree you're essentially correct, but that doesn't actually quite work (even in mainstream interpretation) because there's a major factor you're not considering; that c is a 'propagation' speed. i.e. a speed through a medium, which is always c LOCALLY wherever and whenever it's detected and speed measured.
That's all about speed being only a 'relative' concept. In this case it is relative to the local frame. Emission theory is wrong, and always inconsistent with observation, so the emitter frame cannot be used as a long distance propagation speed datum. Obviously any receiver may not exist until met, so only the medium itself can be relevant (this was Einstein's problem).
So then you have a decision. It it the medium 'stretching', or it it the emitter and receiver moving further apart 'through' the medium while the light is travelling!? Both are less problematic than 'no medium', but not devoid!
This is what the DFM resolves. The diffuse plasma (as found) consistently scatters all light to the local plasma's c (eventually). Near matter in motion the fermion conjugate pairs are condensed (ionized) locally BY the motion to implement the task (again EXACTLY as found!). What this means is that as space expands the propagation is continuously re-scattered to the new local c, so from our local rest frame here it will have gently 'changed speed', explaining the spectroscopic results obtained (and all the 'surfaces last scattered' of the CMB.
I know this may sound a little complex at first but it's actually dead simple, and is the ONLY mechanism that meets all observations and resolves all the paradoxes. The only rule is; "All local electrons emit photons at c." It's never been falsified. It just seems it's too 'different' to swallow for those steeped in ancient beliefs. (or too hard to understand).
Can you see the evolving dynamics?
Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 7, 2013 @ 12:03 GMT
Paul,
Neither of those points are problems. All physical existence does indeed occur independent of observers, but observers also have no access to any wavefunction state information prior to interaction (detection). i.e. They have no more data PRE-interaction than they'd have if they'd 'moved away' just before any signal arrived. Which of course is entirely intuitive.
It appears you may not fully grasp the underlying simplicity and dynamics of the theory. Hopefully the above explanation to John may also help explain.
Peter
John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 7, 2013 @ 17:01 GMT
Peter,
"It it the medium 'stretching', or it it the emitter and receiver moving further apart 'through' the medium while the light is travelling!"
The problem is the theory argues the first and assumes the later.
We are really only seeing this at one point in time, but the theory argues these distant galaxies will eventually disappear, as they become too far away for the light to travel. So they are therefore moving away relative to a constant speed of light, while it is argued "space itself" is expanding. If light "changes speed" ie , speeds up as the space is stretched, wouldn't they always be visible, since the speed of light would increase to match the expansion?
Not that this makes much sense, but it's not my theory. As I see it, space is flat, in both theory and observation, because intergalactic expansion is matched by galactic/gravitational contraction. It is just that the light from these distant sources can only reach us through the intergalactic "expanded" space.
What seems to be overlooked is that those intervening galaxies are not just inert points of reference, like raisins in the loaf, but "space sinks." We just can't compare what happens to all the light radiating from a source, to that little bit of stretched light that managed to travel all the way across the universe, as much of it is "compressed/absorbed" by those intervening entities. I think we overlook the wave side of the equation and think of the light as just point particles traveling for billions of years, but it is all entangled and what happens to what falls into the gravity wells is still a factor/balance to what travels much further.
Otherwise we have to explain inflation, dark energy, multiverses and all the other patches required to keep this model on life support.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 7, 2013 @ 20:52 GMT
John,
I entirely agree current theory is almost complete nonsense, including conserved photon particles. But within astronomy the situation is rather different and it's only 94% nonsense.
The problem is, as you say, that NONE of the accepted options can resolve the nonsense and explain the spectroscopy. Unfortunately your suggestion also doesn't! If you really want to understand it check this out, then follow the link to the papers and look at the relevant ones.
Plank findings. But there are some horrific errors and disagreement in the ranks! You'll find that for redshift they considered NO other fundamntally different assumptions, so no wonder the paradoxes remained.
I'n not sure you understood the DFM model, which works consistently. m the light does NOT speed up. but is consistently scattered to c locally on meeting all matter, including the galaxy haloes it passes through. Its like finally getting a jigsaw puzzle right. There is no argument. It's the only way it could be! Tell me if there are any parts you don't understand.
The logical explanations for (much reduced inflation and dark energy emerge. it's only those two that are NOT patches! The others are 10 thick. I'll explain how both emerge consistently, intuitively and with real proof if you wish.
Best wishes
Peter
John Brodix Merryman replied on Jun. 8, 2013 @ 02:28 GMT
Peter,
I do have some sense of the DFM model and how it contextually deals with C. You did add the comment "change speed," in reference to different fields and I sort of ran with it. I realize the thumbnail sketch I gave there had more to do with using various analogies used to describe geometric spacetime, rather than underlaying physics. I have to say though, that the whole discipline seems so lost in detail, there is a seemingly garbled general understanding of how it all came to be.
As I first read it, decades ago, Einstein surmised that the curvature of space known as gravity causes space to collapse and to keep a stable universe, added the cosmological constant. Yet he dropped the idea when learning Hubble discovered redshift! It seemed to me that would be evidence of the cosmological constant! Galaxies draw the measure of space, ie. mass points in. The space in between them expands. This balances. The overall universe appears flat. It's not like I'm trying to add anything, it just seems the most basic reading of the evidence doesn't need the entire universe expanding from a point and needing inflation and dark energy to fill in the enormous gaps. Rather it is just a basic cycle of expanding energy and collapsing mass. Nothing more than cosmic fluctuations on an infinite scale.
So then what is causing redshift and how does it relate to the cosmological expansion. As I see it, it would be a property of light expanding to fill ever greater volume with distance and that would seem a consequence of wave properties. No one has actually tested what happens to light over quatrillions of miles and none have been seemingly willing to risk their careers thinking about it.
So now we have multiverses and outsiders are starting to have their suspicions things are not quite right.
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Paul Reed replied on Jun. 8, 2013 @ 06:47 GMT
Peter
Your explanation to John only helps to highlight where the problems are.
Einstein does not have any observational light, so there is no issue about rate of change and light speed consistency to be resolved in the first place. In other words, how light works is obviously important, per se, but has no relevance to the fault in relativity.
On your specific point, obviously an observer has no access to any information before they have observed! That was not my point, which was that observing can only involve the identification of something which has already occurred, and in doing so had a definitive state. That is, observation cannot affect the physical circumstance, neither is that circumstance indefinite.
Paul
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 8, 2013 @ 14:07 GMT
Paul,
I and the model have no issue with any of your comments. I'm not then certain what you mean by "where the problems are". Perhaps if you think there are problems in the model itself you might be specific about where. But if you refer to the current paradigm I have only one quibble.
You suggest "how light works is obviously important, per se, but has no relevance to the fault in...
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Paul,
I and the model have no issue with any of your comments. I'm not then certain what you mean by "where the problems are". Perhaps if you think there are problems in the model itself you might be specific about where. But if you refer to the current paradigm I have only one quibble.
You suggest "how light works is obviously important, per se, but has no relevance to the fault in relativity." I have described the proposition that the assumption that the characteristic 'absolute' (one only) is tied to the concept of 'background frames' which Einstein assumed in deriving the Relativity of Simultaneity underpinning SR, is false. This is clearly the case as we have confirmed for instance that light on Mars does c wrt Mars not c wrt Earth! It has not however been assimilated so is 'swept under the carpet' with all the other inconsistent facts!
Now as this is at least indirectly about how, or 'THAT' light 'propagates' at c. so at c in the LOCAL background, than we could say it IS relevant to that particular fault in relativity. When corrected we find that the quantum mechanism of propagation (atomic scattering at c) actually PRODUCES the relativistic' effects directly!! I clearly couldn't then be classed as 'irrelevant'.
Now I can agree it has less DIRECT relevance, and that there are other faults, but to say it is irrelevant is to potentially miss the critically important matter of the assumption used for the Rel of Simultaneity. It is important to highlight that point as almost all have missed it, as if some intellectual block is implanted in their brains, so the confusion remains. I know you'd grasped it previously, but with so many it 'slips away' easily amid the ('garbled' as John says) confusion of current beliefs.
To see grasp and retain the simplicity hiding in the pile of confusion is not easy.
I've now first read your essay, improved from last year, and will comment soon.
best wishes
Peter
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Paul Reed replied on Jun. 9, 2013 @ 06:12 GMT
Peter
You start by asserting that you have “no issue with any of your comments”, then go on to say something which, as I have already said, is contrary to what I am saying.
1 The essential problem with your theory is that if one reduces the reference against which speed is being calibrated to a singular circumstance, ie each frame, then given the way light propagates, the...
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Peter
You start by asserting that you have “no issue with any of your comments”, then go on to say something which, as I have already said, is contrary to what I am saying.
1 The essential problem with your theory is that if one reduces the reference against which speed is being calibrated to a singular circumstance, ie each frame, then given the way light propagates, the resulting relative speed will always be the same. This is self-evident, but also fails to address comparability of references, because you are using a different one on each occasion. It is the same form of circumstance, but physically a different circumstance.
What matters here, is the speed, ie duration incurred, for light to travel from A to B. Light being that physical effect which if received, the eye can process. Light is just a physical entity, which, as a result of the evolution of sight, has acquired a functional role as a physically existent, independent representation of what occurred. Leaving aside how, given its physical properties, proficient it is at fulfilling that role, its travel is affected by the physical circumstances it travels in.
2 Leaving aside the correctness of your argument, it has no impact on relativity. Immediately you speak of SR, which as I have pointed out so many times, with quotes from the man himself, is not what you are saying it is. However, leaving that aside and just considering the concept of relativity. The point is that there is no observational light in Einstein. The second postulate, and hence the possible contradiction, is irrelevant. Einstein just used a constant to calibrate distance and duration. It could have been anything. It was not observational light, nobody observes anything in Einstien’s writings. There is a ‘ray of light’, later it is lightening. In Cox & Forshaw it is a light beam clock. c is just a constant. In other words, the attempt to resolve rate of change and light speed constancy is a wild goose chase, the issue was never there. The so-called paradoxes do not exist. Because the man spoke of observers, etc, people have been assuming they were, and that it is all about light. But there was no light.
Einstein did not make any presumptions about background frames, this is your interpretation of what he did. He made two fundamental, and counterbalancing , mistakes;
-he failed to understand how timing operates
-he did not differentiate between what occurs, and the light representation thereof
There is no relativistic effect in existence, it occurs at a specific time in a specific physical state. The point is that light representations of that then travel and are received at different times depending on spatial relationships. The relativity which he attributed to existence (in effect, he did not mean to) is in the receipt of light.
Paul
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 10, 2013 @ 10:40 GMT
Paul,
Yes I recall you suggesting that interpretation before. It's probably my fault calling his rejected 'ether' frame a 'background' frame, a word he didn't use. It's then a concept that's easy to miss, and often is.
In fact he spoke and agonised of little else about SR from 1905 right up to his last paper. It may be characterised at the 'preferred 3rd frame', and is the foundation...
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Paul,
Yes I recall you suggesting that interpretation before. It's probably my fault calling his rejected 'ether' frame a 'background' frame, a word he didn't use. It's then a concept that's easy to miss, and often is.
In fact he spoke and agonised of little else about SR from 1905 right up to his last paper. It may be characterised at the 'preferred 3rd frame', and is the foundation of the 'Relativity of Simultaneity'. It was a key part of his SR addresses and papers, inc. 1905, 1921, 1922, 1923, and right on till 1955.
i.e. In the Gothenberg speech he referred to it as; "...the preference for a single state of motion as in the case of the theory of light with a stationary ether,"
In his 1954 space s in motion with space S, space S of course then DID need such a 'state of motion'. It is these '3rd frames' to which I refer.
But he 'threw out the baby with the bathwater' in assuming that any background frame HAD to be a single "absolute" background frame. It clearly does not. The Earth's ('rotating') rest frame is clearly the background frame for ALL moving trains! and the Sun's heliospheric rest frame is clearly the background frame for all (non rotating) planetary ionosphere's, in the solar system not just Earth's.
There is then a 'hierachy' of inertial systems (frames). he realised this himself; "There are then an infinite number of inertial frames which are in uniform translational motion relative to each other" (background after background ad infinitum) but couldn't rationalise it physically.
Einstein had a good excuse, he did not know of the QV. It's only been inadequate intellect that's prevented better understanding by mainstream science space exploration!
So you can see, that it's only (as we all showed last year) using the wrong 'starting assumptions' and poor thinking that causes theoretical confusion!
Without that realisation I quite see how you thought my proposition had a problem. It would indeed have had! I hope the logical (TFL) hierarchical dynamic is something of a revelation. But don't expect to understand it fully without initial effort. Only the most brilliant seem able to do.
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Paul Reed replied on Jun. 11, 2013 @ 05:35 GMT
Peter
“It's probably my fault calling his rejected 'ether' frame a 'background' frame…”
It does not matter about a correlation between what was said. The point is, as light works in a fundamental way, then if one calibrates its speed with respect to some individualistic frame on each occasion, then the same answer will result. But this is not the speed of observational light....
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Peter
“It's probably my fault calling his rejected 'ether' frame a 'background' frame…”
It does not matter about a correlation between what was said. The point is, as light works in a fundamental way, then if one calibrates its speed with respect to some individualistic frame on each occasion, then the same answer will result. But this is not the speed of observational light. That is a function of the duration incurred from its creation, as the result of an interaction with whatever occurred, to its receipt by anything (but it has to be a sentient organism which can indicate in some way that reception has occurred!).
“about SR from 1905”
Really? When was the first time he mentioned SR? Not that it matters because in 1916 he defined it, and it is different from what was said in 1905. Fundamentally in 1905 he has two states of existence. Light is in vacuo. Everything else is not, because there is length alteration (ie some force is operational). This is why he recognises a potential conflict between the two postulates (“apparently irreconcilable”), and is so concerned with states of inertia. One cannot have a theory where two different ‘elements’ are in different states of ‘being’. So as far as he was concerned, SR resolved this. In SR there is no force at all, in GR there is.
And it is not what he said, intended to do, or thought he did, that matters. That is what he actually did. And he failed to understand how timing worked (which resulted in a superfluous layer thereof) and conflated reality and the light reality (which resulted in him losing a layer of timing). The nearest he got to acknowledging a differentiation was when speaking of “immediate proximity”, when he said the times would be the same, which they are not. He can speak of frames of reference , observers, etc, but they do not exist if there is no observational light. Nobody receives that ray of light, and I would certainly not sugget trying to see with lightening!
The point being that this holy grail of trying to resolve rate of change and light speed does not exist, because he never had any light in the first place. All he does is use a constant to calibrate duration and distance. And it happens to be the speed of light. Obviously, he and all the interpretations since, believe this accounts for observation, but it does not. In effect, the difference in the timing of the receipt of light has been shifted to a characteristic of reality itself. This is his best statement on the nature of relativity (forget SR, that is a red herring):
Einstein para 4 section 9 1916
“Events which are simultaneous with reference to the embankment are not simultaneous with respect to the train, and vice versa (relativity of simultaneity). Every reference-body (co-ordinate system) has its own particular time; unless we are told the reference-body to which the statement of time refers, there is no meaning in a statement of the time of an event. Now before the advent of the theory of relativity it had always tacitly been assumed in physics that the statement of time had an absolute significance, ie that it is independent of the state of motion of the body of reference. But we have just seen that this assumption is incompatible with the most natural definition of simultaneity; if we discard this assumption, then the conflict between the law of the propagation of light in vacuo and the principle of relativity (developed in section 7) disappears”.
This is rubbish. Events are events, they occur at a time, and at one time only. They do not occur wrt some other event. What does happen is that the timing of receipt of light varies depending on spatial relationships, and if there is relative movement then the apparent rate of change will appear to alter for the recipient from that which occurs.
Paul
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 5, 2013 @ 11:40 GMT
Phil,
Just untangled you from John.
Thanks. On the Monte Hall problem there's actually a more important point missed by the mathematicians, and nothing to do with host strategy. i.e. Even if a blindfold 3rd party 'opens the door', in those cases where the prize is NOT revealed, the odds remain exactly the same.
This is what the computer programme which proved the case did. The unknown 'host strategy' (which the game show competitors were all worried about) was removed as a factor. Only then could the real hidden reason be tracked down, the invisible 'probability density' hidden in 'sample space', which the maths could not parametrise.
Yet that REAL lesson is STILL not learned by mathematicians! in the same way many of them genuinely believe there is no need for any underlying mechanism to GR or SR! The solution to the EPR paradox proposed comes straight from this hidden 'subset' of data.
Did you follow that?
Akinbo Ojo replied on Jun. 8, 2013 @ 12:46 GMT
Hi Peter,
Very thought provoking essay. Many comments have already been made to which you have ably answered. I wont repeat those.
RE: In many ways the theme still boils down to the same old question asked in many ways, viz. One or Many, Discrete or Continuous, Yes or No, 0 or 1? Part of what I got from your essay is that we should make room for DUALITY, MAYBE, BOTH, ALL IN BETWEEN...
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Hi Peter,
Very thought provoking essay. Many comments have already been made to which you have ably answered. I wont repeat those.
RE: In many ways the theme still boils down to the same old question asked in many ways, viz. One or Many, Discrete or Continuous, Yes or No, 0 or 1? Part of what I got from your essay is that we should make room for DUALITY, MAYBE, BOTH, ALL IN BETWEEN in our answers, i.e. (0,1), the 'Excluded Middle'.
While perfectly agreeing with that proposal, for completeness how this is implemented must be put forward AT THE SAME TIME you give your included/reducing middle answer. E.g. can Schrodinger's cat actually be BOTH dead and alive and be in THE MIDDLE at the final state?
If you recall in my essay I proposed how the duality of discrete and continuous space is implemented. Space is continuous, since the discrete units of its expression cannot again have a 'space' or 'separation' between them. At the same time, it is discrete because it is not infinitely divisible and moreover the discrete units can undergo emergence and annihilation. Thus the 'separation' is "time" not "space".
RE: "no two physical entities are identical. Even cases of numerous similar entities where set quantifiers such as heap, or field are essential no two may be identical".
Even if identical in ALL qualities no two things can occupy the SAME position.
RE: Difficult to visualize, sample space needs explanations and examples to reveal it's full power.
How are points, lines, surfaces and bodies defined in this sample space? That is, does a line have length and its breadth is zero, or does a surface have breadth and width but of zero thickness? Compare with Euclid's definitions.
RE: Light speed…
I have commented on light speed on your blog for last year's essay. I can comment more here if you wish since I may not be going over to last year's blog soon.
RE: The Einstein Podolski Rosen (EPR) Paradox
EPR paradox is an ailment afflicting only the particle view of light where there is no medium. It is absent in the transverse wave picture of light. There is no quantum jumping or superluminal signalling. When you measure the plane of polarization of one wave, you can infer that of the other. As to what the medium is, like Newton would say "I have calculated it but leave the joy of discovery to others". Neither will I show you the calculations because I cant find them!!
Cheerio,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 8, 2013 @ 14:30 GMT
Akinbo,
Thanks for your positive comments. We have much common understanding.
The cat was certainly alive but is now long dead. However the expanding Schrodinger 'spheres' show that there IS also a valid analogy for 'potential' at any point in space and time. Like the members of a sports team, only having 'potential' at home, but when they all meet they become an 'entity' with power.
I refer to the NLS equation spread function as a coherent particle evolving into just waves (as the team drift away from the bar?). So I agree, time is key.
The Excluded Middle is the additional parametrisation of the smaller 'subset' between 0,1. Believing only 0 or 1 can exist hides that information. considered as red or green, the 'redness' and 'greenness' (or energy) can vary. So if we only ask 'red' or 'green'? we can never find the subtleties of nature.
I also agree mutual exclusion of 'position', as Boscovitch, Descartes and Einstein! Lines and points do not 'exist' in ANY subset of 'sample space', which merely parametrised 'how red? etc. In fact I've shown that the Cartesian co-ordinate system cannot model motion! (but not here due to space ..etc!)
I agree the plane of polarization solution but show it can also be applied to Schrodinger's coherent distinguishable wave packet; 'particles' more subtly, due to the 'transverse COMPONENT' existing, because that allows the orbital angular momentum we know they hold.
I'll check over on last years bog when I get a moment.
Best wishes
Peter
Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 8, 2013 @ 16:06 GMT
Akinbo,
Replied ref light on last years. I won't repeat, but have also discussed both Sagnac and GPS in detail elsewhere, agreed but with additional insight (ref Maxwell's near/far field TZ). Including his one not fully up to date;
GPS etc. viXra.
Akinbo Ojo replied on Jun. 13, 2013 @ 12:45 GMT
Hello Peter,
I have browsed your viXra paper. Will be reading it in more detail later because there is much to learn from it. For example I had proposed testing SR by LLR in 2009 (
see here) and I am gratified that one such experiment has been done which I came across in your references. I have also explored (
here)whether dark matter could be the earth bound luminiferous medium. I will be comparing this with your Discrete Spaces.
Many thanks indeed,
Akinbo
*I just wonder why experiments contradicting LLI are covered up. But it's all a matter of time.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 15, 2013 @ 11:17 GMT
Akinbo,
Thanks for your praise. It was also great pleasure to look over your 2009 papers. We agree on much, and I have a lot more consistent work which will help. I've also had deep discussions with Dan Gezari on Laser Ranging. I have a consistent resolution of the remaining anomalies but Dan "can't" adopt it.
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Akinbo,
Thanks for your praise. It was also great pleasure to look over your 2009 papers. We agree on much, and I have a lot more consistent work which will help. I've also had deep discussions with Dan Gezari on Laser Ranging. I have a consistent resolution of the remaining anomalies but Dan "can't" adopt it.
You ask why the 'cover up' of findings inconsistent with SR. It's been going on for many decades. I had a piece published on the 'subjugation of skepticism in science', which you'll find here;
Skeptical Intelligencer ArticleThe day of reckoning will certainly come for for the guilty. They're responsible for the appalling slow progress in science. Einstein would turn in his grave!
Look at the Rich Kingsley Nixey essay last year which agrees my ''bow shock' analysis and gives the picture of the speed and wavelength change across the shock from 'Cluster' probe data. It's wrongly interpreted at present with utter confusion, as admitted. Some more comprehensive descriptions of the Discrete Field Model are in my 2010 and 2011 essays, and here;
Optics, Interferometry etc. paper, Had. Jnl. 2012Wiki DFM bin page. DFM Outline (to be updated/completedUnderlying Lorentz Transformation MechanismFinally the other little nugget you were after;
Twin Planetary Inertial Reference Frames; an Orbiting ECI frame and Inner Rotating ECRFThat's just a start, but I don't want to swamp you! Do please criticise and falsify wherever you can. You'll note some are collaborations, which I'm always happy to do. It seems we may be able to do so in a good number of areas if you're interested.
Best wishes
Peter
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Anonymous replied on Jun. 19, 2013 @ 10:23 GMT
Hi Peter,
Our views are similar and only need some fine-tuning here and there. Let me digress a little to some issues bothering me...
1. By what means are the 'plasmaspheres' bound to and dragged by the Earth, Sun, etc. Is it electromagnetic, gravitational or both? Going by the rotational velocities of outlying stars in our galaxy, our solar system appears to be in the middle of the galactic plasmashere. Can our earth then be exempted from interacting with this plasmashere?
2. RE: Pioneer anomalous acceleration, can it also be explained by light travelling faster in far off plasmaspheres than that earth bound? See equation 1 in arXiv:gr-qc/0104064v5. The assumption is that c in earth-bound 'plasmasphere' will be same in far off plasmasphere. Plasmashere is your favorite term, but I prefer 'dark matter' for now.
3. RE: Clausius equation, dE = TdS or dS = dE/T,
which shows by how much entropy, S will change when an amount of energy,E is added to a system at a given temperature. You mentioned somewhere in one of your papers that absolute zero temperature is impossible, supposing in a special circumstance it is, what will be the significance for above equation?
I have not finished reading all the material sent but I will in due course. I have read the Skeptical Intelligencer article. It is similar to the one I sent you (95 years of relativity)
Regards,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 21, 2013 @ 10:56 GMT
Akinbo,
I agree. Answers;
1. Ionosphere's are almost exactly plasma sphere's. The Earth's magnetic field seems to have a strong influence. As AE said "bodies are not 'IN' space but are "spatially extended". The other function is speed. Planets with lower EM fields and less speed through the QV have the weakest magnetospheres and thus bow shocks. A dense atmosphere helps. Jupiters has been found as absolutely massive! The size of the moon as viewed from earth.
Have you ever wondered about the difference between a meteor and a comet? Forget current theory, check out simply 'speed'!
Earth 'IS' part of the body, the core. Your question is like asking does a boat interact with it's bow wave! The shock is a two-fluid plasma, fermion conjugate pairs 'popping up' in the 'outer' QV frame and with MHD mixing between the frames.
2. Dark Matter can be everywhere, not just in the shocks where it's far more dense (including the halo). Pioneer/Voyager anomaly is explained but the shock matter itself. Your description of c needs mor parametrisation. c is always the same locally, but that's equivalent to locally in two moving buses. It is the same c, but not seen as the same from the evidence available from any one observer frame, which can only directly measure the local c. Only the Proper Time of the local frame can be measured. Signals from other frames change on transition (shock/TZ far/near field crossing).
3. I'll have to consider that when back from hols. Entropy is not a favorite concept of mine at all.
Best wishes
Peter
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Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Jun. 9, 2013 @ 22:45 GMT
Peter,
I've had a chance to reread your essay. As always, you're impressive! And, you old yachtsman, you are always obsessed with waves!
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Peter,
I've had a chance to reread your essay. As always, you're impressive! And, you old yachtsman, you are always obsessed with waves!
You suggest that far greater information capacity exists in areas not yet fully searched. Let's hope you're right. You then discuss the "orbital angular momentum" (OAM) of photons. I've collected several articles on this phenomenon but have not yet had time to study them. I am therefore somewhat confused about OAM so I can't reasonably judge statements about it.
You discuss the 'law of the excluded middle'. One of the first standards for integrated circuits (TTL) was based on this concept in that proper designs guaranteed either high or low outputs but not outputs in the 'forbidden zone', or excluded middle. These outputs were of course fed into the input of the following stage, which had a smaller excluded middle, thus providing reasonable noise immunity.
You note that QM's nonzero statistical amplitude distribution cannot offer any hint about underlying mechanics or meaning. You also point out that Born had no physical explanation for squaring the wave function. I would note here that my previous essay (
The Nature of the Wave Function) does offer a physical explanation for this!
I also agree with your interpretation for approximating nature with increasing precision, and particularly like your suggestion of Bayesian analysis as a "law of the reducing middle", but I'm somewhat confused by your discussion of 'natural universe' followed by 'infinite universe'. I am more and more coming to distrust any argument framed in terms of the 'infinite'.
I do like your remark about the observer's rest frame being the rest frame of the channel to the processor. I know you've spent so much time thinking about Doppler shifts that my inclination is simply to take your word for anything to do with them. I don't follow all of your remarks in that section but I do note that your helical wave is compatible with the C-field wave function mentioned above. And my toroidal model of the electron does possess a closed form 'helical' soliton-nature.
Your axioms are reasonable although as I said I don't put much faith in 'infinite' arguments.
As for Bell's so-called 'proof' that no locally real model can produce the cosine squared result, I produce it in my previous essay (link above). Joy has complained that it only works when Alice and Bob make independent selections, but I believe that is implied by Bell's formulation. I'm communicating with MJW Hall who specializes in determining the limiting cases implied by Bell assumptions. So I need to study your EPR discussion more before I form an opinion about it, although I am favorably disposed to your argument that there is a mismatch between statistics and 'real physical interactions' at each detector. I plan to study your approach further.
To sum up, your essay, like my essays, requires more than one or two readings to comprehend. Too bad most people (for obvious reasons) will only read once.
Best regards,
Edwin Eugene Klingman
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 10, 2013 @ 11:03 GMT
Edwin,
Great, thanks. Someone suggested the water in waves doesn't move. It does. It follows a slightly elliptical helical path (producing 'longshore drift' when they break), moving forward a little with each rotation. i.e. each molecule describes a helix, and has the power of orbital angular momentum. I agree this is analogous to your thesis.
Ref infinities; All the model does is FREE's mathematics of infinities. It does not 'rely' on infinities in any way, just removes their paradox and leaves them in the class of 'not understood'. We may still however trivially but logically say that if the universe is infinite then anything that can happen will happen.
The important thing is to recognise that between any two integers there is always a 'subset' of parametrizable possibilities, described by quantum uncertainty. i.e. Many red and green lights may also each have a distribution of intensity. That is then what Bell missed. He only asked; 'red or green'? If he went to each flash and recorded intensity, he's also find the Bayesian distribution. I think Joy may have have a point about your finding last year, but this now shows that whatever Bob and Alice do the cosine curve will be found both at each of them and in the correlation.
I'm smartening up a draft paper on the mechanism of the LT derivation and will send you a link.
Best wishes
Peter
Lev Goldfarb wrote on Jun. 11, 2013 @ 17:48 GMT
Hi Peter,
Good to see you participating in this contest also!
I finally had time to reread your essay. And my original impression has not changed: you did much interesting work but, as probably you yourself already know, the essay would have benefited tremendously from the expository editorial improvement.
Just to take one example, the first sentence of the...
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Hi Peter,
Good to see you participating in this contest also!
I finally had time to reread your essay. And my original impression has not changed: you did much interesting work but, as probably you yourself already know, the essay would have benefited tremendously from the expository editorial improvement.
Just to take one example, the first sentence of the conclusion:
"An intelligent IQbit with new helical/toroidal freedoms is found hidden in a Sample Space of hierarchical subsets, and an Included Middle between binary 0 and 1, including
".
I'm a mathematician by education but who knows what the "Sample Space of hierarchical subsets, and an Included Middle between binary 0 and 1, including
" is? ;-)
Now let me move on to your questions in my essay forum.
1. "to hear your views on my suggested division line (proposed by Dirac) between real physical nature and that of numerism."
I assume you refer to this in your essay:
"Dirac's Line then more clearly divides Proper Time (unchanged) from apparent co-ordinate time xi"
I had to go to the reference xi you supplied and found:
"if we add two more time variables t(subscript theta), t(subscript phi) as the quantum hidden variables, i.e., 3-dimensional time (t, t(subscript theta), t(subscript phi) ) instead of 1 dimension, we'll find that the motion of single particle under 3+3 time-space posseses the same qualitative behavior as the particle in quantum physics and the spin of particle can be simply interpreted as the topological property of 3-dimensional time."
I'm sympathetic to a more sophisticated view of time, but I'm very skeptical of approaching time via spatially motivated "dimensions". As you might have seen in my essay, in ETS, the idea of time is treated as embedded in the struct. So I believe that time, as you yourself say, is embedded in "change" and is not a numeric concept.
2. "I've also tackled measurement as a real interaction, trying to define 'detection' as a separate prior interaction and would welcome your views."
Again, I am of the opinion that any interaction is of the structural nature and cannot be adequately addressed in the conventional numeric framework.
3. "I end up offering a 'real' resolution of the EPR paradox so also saw analogies with your last figure. There is 'hidden information' which i have actually found researching Aspects discarded 'anomalous' data!"
Peter, I couldn't figure out what your "resolution" is, but our two approaches to entanglement cannot be that similar, because I'm advocating a *primary* informational reality that 'specifies' the spatial reality.
So, to put it mildly, I'm not the best person at all to comment on your essay, but I wish you good luck in the contest, and most importantly, interesting discussions!
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Lev,
You're right. I tried to squeeze too much in again! But I did indeed identify the wavefunction 'psi' twice in the essay, and refer to and explain Born's rule of squaring the wavefunction;('psi'^2)!
I'm confused that you ask if I referred to it. Did you only read the conclusions?
Then, on the "Dirac Line", I not only discussed it at length in the text but also gave the...
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Lev,
You're right. I tried to squeeze too much in again! But I did indeed identify the wavefunction 'psi' twice in the essay, and refer to and explain Born's rule of squaring the wavefunction;('psi'^2)!
I'm confused that you ask if I referred to it. Did you only read the conclusions?
Then, on the "Dirac Line", I not only discussed it at length in the text but also gave the full Dirac quote!! again you seem to only refer to the conclusions, but say at the top you read the essay! The conclusions can't and are not supposed to be a repeat of the whole essay! So I really can't grasp whether you read the text or not, so don't understand your comment.
I can see the Chen paper is a bit advanced for some non physicists, (though I'm strictly included in that group) but had to remove the simple definition due to space. This may indeed be seen as a single 'Proper Time' embedded in each of your 'structs' which may in that way be analogues to 'inertial systems'. I then propose only the emitted ARTIFACTS can be changed, (i.e. Doppler shifted) not 'time' itself. But the "change" is then to the 'apparent' time seen as being from from the OTHER frames clock thus an arbitrary 'co-ordinate time' subject to observer motion. This is a quite new insight.
MEASUREMENT. I'm talking 'optical science' rather than 'theory'. But saw no reason your structs could not be valid.
EPR SOLUTION. I suppose you won't see the solution without a full understanding of the Bell Inequalities themselves and von Neumann's proposal, which I do describe; (a cosine curve AT EACH detector, not just from statistical correlations between them.
Malus' Law simplified says if two donuts meet face to face, then tilting one gives a different contact point round the ring. So if a third donut is at a known angle relative to the first, a relationship can be described subject to that angle. It's a bit more complex, so difficult to precisely explain, but this had not been considered before, so the evidence had been discarded.
It does however seem it's beyond many physicists too! Hey ho.
Best of luck anyway,
Peter
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Lev Goldfarb replied on Jun. 12, 2013 @ 15:40 GMT
Peter,
"I'm confused that you ask if I referred to it."
I didn't.
"again you seem to only refer to the conclusions,"
Peter, the reference I gave is to pp. 2(bottom)-3 of your essay and not to the conclusion, but you were probably also referring to his quote on p.2.
So I still think that "the essay would have benefited tremendously from the expository editorial improvement".
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Peter
, what I found quite useful is a very careful and intensive development of the paper plan/outline, in which the main points are flashed out and very carefully logically *coordinated* wrt each other. Most people don't like doing it but I find such dry/mental run of the basic ideas involved and their interconnections super helpful.
My best wishes to you!
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 15, 2013 @ 10:37 GMT
Lev,
Ahh.. When you wrote; "I assume you refer to this in your essay", I assumed it meant you only 'assumed' I'd referred to it.
You'd think after last year we've have stopped all this assumption!
Thanks for your kind words and helpful constructive criticism.
Peter
Roger Granet wrote on Jun. 15, 2013 @ 04:43 GMT
Peter,
Hi. I totally agree with you on the need to recognize the difference between physical reality and abstract, in-the-mind reality. And that the rules that apply in the abstract world may not apply in the outside-the-mind world seems blinding obvious, but apparently it isn't to many physicists and mathematicians. It's very good of your essay to point this out and remind people...
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Peter,
Hi. I totally agree with you on the need to recognize the difference between physical reality and abstract, in-the-mind reality. And that the rules that apply in the abstract world may not apply in the outside-the-mind world seems blinding obvious, but apparently it isn't to many physicists and mathematicians. It's very good of your essay to point this out and remind people of it. One of the examples that bugs me is that just because an equation has a variable t, for time in it, and in one's mind, one can put in a negative t and the equation still works, this doesn't mean that time can go backwards in the outside-the-mind world.
In regards to A being similar to A instead of identical, I also agree. One can have two instances of the A class of objects, but the two As are separate existent states in separate locations. This may sometimes also apply in the abstract, inside-the-mind domain. For example, one might think another rule would be that A does not equal -A. But, as an example of why this may not be true, one of my views is that the words "something" and "nothing" are just two different ways of describing the same underlying thing, an existent state. We've always distinguished the words "something" and "nothing" as having opposite meanings, like A and -A, but I think that's because we've always been misdefining the word "nothing". If we could think of the situation we previously defined as "nothing" slightly differently, we'd see that it's actually "something". So, even in the abstract domain, A doesn't always equal A, and A may sometimes equal -A. It all depends on the observer's perspective of what A and -A look like to him or her.
The toroid stuff was above my level of knowledge, so I won't comment on that part. But, one interesting coincidence is that helices are very common in biochemistry, too, like in the DNA double helix and in the alpha helix structure of some proteins. We're surrounded by toruses and helices!
Anyways, great essay! I think many of us seem to be hitting on the same idea about the need to dethrone mathematics and re-install the outside-the-mind, physical world as the king of the universe!
Roger
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John C Maguire wrote on Jun. 17, 2013 @ 17:09 GMT
Peter,
Your critique of Aristotelian Logic is right on. Something that has been in the back of my mind for some months now.
Your evaluation of paradox is also quite good; as I'm a believer that even science is not exempt from the saying: "Contradictions do not exist. Whenever you think you are facing a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong."
Like you, I found myself finding many synchronicities between our work; and its always interesting to see how dialectics can mystify the fact that we're pretty much talking about the same things. Very enlightening. One simple question for you pertaining to this:
"An intelligent IQbit with new helical/toroidal freedoms is found hidden in a Sample Space of hierarchical subsets, and an Included Middle between binary 0 and 1"
Basically what we have here is a type of 'fractal-information'?
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jun. 17, 2013 @ 19:55 GMT
John,
Thanks. I'm really pleased, and impressed, that you managed to extract so much of the information so tightly packed in the ontology.
I love the term 'fractal information', It's spot on. I've also used the fractal analogy for the hierarchical inertial system 'discrete field' model underlying the propositions. If you get time I'd welcome your view on that (I need help!)
Do let me know if you can put the EPR (Bell's) proof together. Check out Gordon Watson's essay for the mathematical proof.
Best wishes
Peter
Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jun. 17, 2013 @ 19:19 GMT
Uncle Peter
Very happy to see Uncle.
Uncle still like that, there is an essay with analyzing diversity and scale, as well as number of theory was always very much integrated.
At this time, the appeal be to the title "The Intelligent bit" and 6 axioms, it looks like Uncle very seriously with the causal relationships - me too.
I am always appreciated the fussy, meticulous work and scale that Uncle mentioned.
Wish Uncle stay healthy, joyful and successful with his own passion.
Of course, always going to be a high score for Uncle.
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Michel Planat wrote on Jun. 18, 2013 @ 09:22 GMT
Dear Peter,
I have red your essay with interest.
I am not sure that the questions you ask rely on quantum mechanics and the qubit concept. They may be more related to nonlinearity as it arises for instance in the devil's staircase and the Farey tree 0/1< ... 1/3...
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 18, 2013 @ 11:28 GMT
Michel,
Yes, mathematically, if the intervals are important and infinities are not. However I am proposing that the universe is primarily physical, and that mathematics can only easily provide a 'good approximation' (but also sometimes a mistaken one).
I agree the concept does not exactly 'rely' on QM, certainly no current interpretation anyway, but it does allow a coherent interpretation consistent with classical theory and Local Reality. I suggest that in itself has much value.
Do you not agree? Thanks anyway for reading it and your comments.
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 18, 2013 @ 11:51 GMT
VIDEO OF THE COSMIC FLOWS
This important work shouldn't go unnoticed. We've known for decades that galaxies and other inertial systems have very different inertial states ('peculiar motions') of many tens of thousands of km/sec^-1. Here's the larger picture of the discrete local field motion (as DFM prediction but apparently less consistent with the Concordance model than even the problematic Planck findings); Two articles, direct video link, and link to the paper;
Cartography of the Local Cosmos Helene M. Courtois, Daniel Pomarede, R. Brent Tully, Yehuda Hoffman, Denis Courtois First Author’s Institution: University of Lyon, France.
'Astrobites' article. Simulation videoScitech articlePaper; Cortois, H.M. et al. Cosmography of the Local Universe., Accepted AJ. 2013.
AJ Paper free link.Alongside this a new finding that the gas and plasma content in and around the Milky Way in it's rotating rest frame is THREE TIMES higher than estimates, also as predicted by the DFM.; the He plasma fraction, not directly visible, (so 'dark' matter) is now detectable via it's CO link. Pineda, J. L., et al., "A Herschel [C II] Galactic plane survey I: the global distribution of ISM gas components", 2013, Astronomy & Astrophysics, 554, A103.
ESA Release."The age of discovery may yet one day force us to improve our understanding"
Enjoy.
Peter
Manuel S Morales wrote on Jun. 19, 2013 @ 21:20 GMT
Hi Peter,
Excellent analogies and comparisons to substantiate your position that, "Quantum distributions are causally derived to a higher order, yet uncertainty never vanishes."
Although my findings also show that uncertainty never vanishes, it is not due to a new “Law of the Reducing Middle”. It is due to 'how' we get uncertainty in the first place. I hope you take the time to review my essay which addresses questions you ask of me in the past. If you do, you will find how we get spin in the first place which then leads to how gravity unifies the strong, weak, and electromagnetic forces - ToE.
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 21, 2013 @ 10:36 GMT
Manuel,
Thanks for your kind comments. I'm not sure I proposed anything as 'due to' the proposed Law, just that it describes nature correctly. Do you not agree that? If not why and where? I'm away on hol, but have your essay with me and have read most of it.
I agree with most as you know, and as an essay find it excellent and pertinent, answering more of the points raised on the theory. I suspect Gerard t'Hooft's comments may be a bit too focussed on the SM and it's preservation, but nobody will abandon any liferaft however poor until a clearly better one is right there.
However I'll discuss your on your blog, when I return.
Best of luck.
Peter
Sreenath B N wrote on Jun. 22, 2013 @ 16:42 GMT
Peter,
I have gone through your essay once and I want to go again in order to post my comments on it. Mean while, please, go through my essay and post your invaluable comments on it.
Best of luck,
Sreenath.
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Torsten Asselmeyer-Maluga wrote on Jun. 23, 2013 @ 15:00 GMT
Dear Peter,
thanks for your comment, I'm also sorry for the delay inanswering.
I also like your point of view. It is not totally different to my approach. It contains a lot of geometric ideas, in particular the representation of the quantum state as helical wave. I also have helical states (but in the foliation).
I rated your essay also very high but a longer time ago.
Now to your question about granularity: There is an isomorphism between piecewise-linear and smooth 4-manifolds. Therefore the granularity is not important for the results. Of course there is a limit (lower bound) for the number of used cells to describe the 4-manifold but nothing more.
Best wishes
Torsten
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Antony Ryan wrote on Jun. 24, 2013 @ 00:24 GMT
Hello Peter,
This seems to be one of the more interesting approaches I've read so far. Am I to understand that the Law of the Reducing Middle is analogous to there being infinite real numbers between integers?
If so then I think this turns the whole question on its head and is very thought provoking.
The nearest my
essay gets to yours is that it moves beyond binary via Fibonacci's sequence, suggesting that information exchange suggests a code of nature.
Regards
Antony
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jun. 26, 2013 @ 15:37 GMT
Anthony,
Thank you. Yes, Infinite real numbers between integers/binaries of any scale or set, and Fibonacci's sequence is a direct analogy.
I appreciate your ability to then see the whole of nature from a quite new viewpoint. It seems so few can, particularly those with the present popular doctrines most deeply embedded in their belief system
When we then study it more closely we can find the whole picture clarified as all the unnecessary nonsensical interpretations fall away.
I look forward to reading your essay.
Peter
Antony Ryan replied on Jun. 28, 2013 @ 16:05 GMT
Hello Peter,
Great, I thought so. That's testament to your great writing ability - I think you've done a fantastic job here removing peoples preconceived and stubborn ideas!
The law of reducing middle reminds me of some of my work on entangled spin using geometry, so love the idea!
Thanks for your kind comments on my essay - I've (hopefully) answered re- outward pathways.
Best wishes,
Antony
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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jun. 27, 2013 @ 04:20 GMT
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THE ADDITIONAL ARTICLES AND A SMALL TEST FOR MUTUAL BENEFIT
To change the atmosphere "abstract" of the competition and to demonstrate for the real preeminent possibility of the Absolute theory as well as to clarify the issues I mentioned in the essay and to avoid duplicate questions after receiving the opinion of you , I will add a reply to you :
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THE ADDITIONAL ARTICLES AND A SMALL TEST FOR MUTUAL BENEFIT
To change the atmosphere "abstract" of the competition and to demonstrate for the real preeminent possibility of the Absolute theory as well as to clarify the issues I mentioned in the essay and to avoid duplicate questions after receiving the opinion of you , I will add a reply to you :
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A. What thing is new and the difference in the absolute theory than other theories?
The first is concept of "Absolute" in my absolute theory is defined as: there is only one - do not have any similar - no two things exactly alike.
The most important difference of this theory is to build on the entirely new basis and different platforms compared to the current theory.
B. Why can claim: all things are absolute - have not of relative ?
It can be affirmed that : can not have the two of status or phenomenon is the same exists in the same location in space and at the same moment of time - so thus: everything must be absolute and can not have any of relative . The relative only is a concept to created by our .
C. Why can confirm that the conclusions of the absolute theory is the most specific and detailed - and is unique?
Conclusion of the absolute theory must always be unique and must be able to identify the most specific and detailed for all issues related to a situation or a phenomenon that any - that is the mandatory rules of this theory.
D. How the applicability of the absolute theory in practice is ?
The applicability of the absolute theory is for everything - there is no limit on the issue and there is no restriction on any field - because: This theory is a method to determine for all matters and of course not reserved for each area.
E. How to prove the claims of Absolute Theory?
To demonstrate - in fact - for the above statement,we will together come to a specific experience, I have a small testing - absolutely realistic - to you with title:
2 . A SMALL TEST FOR MUTUAL BENEFIT :
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That is, based on my Absolute theory, I will help you determine by one new way to reasonable settlement and most effective for meet with difficulties of you - when not yet find out to appropriate remedies - for any problems that are actually happening in reality, only need you to clearly notice and specifically about the current status and the phenomena of problems included with requirements and expectations need to be resolved.
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Sreenath B N wrote on Jun. 27, 2013 @ 10:19 GMT
Peter,
Thanks for your most inciting and harmonious essay. I completely agree with you when you say Superluminal signaling is false as I myself have written an article on quantum entanglement and in which I have shown how QE has nothing to do with Superluminal signaling.
Best of luck in the contest.
sreenath
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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Jun. 28, 2013 @ 02:18 GMT
Dear
Thank you for presenting your nice essay. I saw the abstract and will post my comments soon.
So you can produce material from your thinking. . . .
I am requesting you to go through my essay also. And I take this opportunity to say, to come to reality and base your arguments on experimental results.
I failed mainly because I worked against the main stream. The...
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Dear
Thank you for presenting your nice essay. I saw the abstract and will post my comments soon.
So you can produce material from your thinking. . . .
I am requesting you to go through my essay also. And I take this opportunity to say, to come to reality and base your arguments on experimental results.
I failed mainly because I worked against the main stream. The main stream community people want magic from science instead of realty especially in the subject of cosmology. We all know well that cosmology is a subject where speculations rule.
Hope to get your comments even directly to my mail ID also. . . .
Best
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Part of abstract:
- -Material objects are more fundamental- - is being proposed in this paper; It is well known that there is no mental experiment, which produced material. . . Similarly creation of matter from empty space as required in Steady State theory or in Bigbang is another such problem in the Cosmological counterpart. . . . In this paper we will see about CMB, how it is generated from stars and Galaxies around us. And here we show that NO Microwave background radiation was detected till now after excluding radiation from Stars and Galaxies. . . .
Some complements from FQXi community. . . . .
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Anton Lorenz Vrba wrote on May. 4, 2013 @ 13:43 GMT
……. I do love your last two sentences - that is why I am coming back.
Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on May. 6, 2013 @ 09:24 GMT
. . . . We should use our minds to down to earth realistic thinking. There is no point in wasting our brains in total imagination which are never realities. It is something like showing, mixing of cartoon characters with normal people in movies or people entering into Game-space in virtual reality games or Firing antimatter into a black hole!!!. It is sheer a madness of such concepts going on in many fields like science, mathematics, computer IT etc. . . .
B.
Francis V wrote on May. 11, 2013 @ 02:05 GMT
Well-presented argument about the absence of any explosion for a relic frequency to occur and the detail on collection of temperature data……
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Robert Bennett wrote on May. 14, 2013 @ 18:26 GMT
"Material objects are more fundamental"..... in other words "IT from Bit" is true.
Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on May. 14, 2013 @ 22:53 GMT
1. It is well known that there is no mental experiment, which produced material.
2. John Wheeler did not produce material from information.
3. Information describes material properties. But a mere description of material properties does not produce material.
4. There are Gods, Wizards, and Magicians, allegedly produced material from nowhere. But will that be a scientific experiment?
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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Jun. 16, 2013 @ 16:22 GMT
It from bit - where are bit come from?
Author Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Jun. 17, 2013 @ 06:10 GMT
….And your question is like asking, -- which is first? Egg or Hen?— in other words Matter is first or Information is first? Is that so? In reality there is no way that Matter comes from information.
Matter is another form of Energy. Matter cannot be created from nothing. Any type of vacuum cannot produce matter. Matter is another form of energy. Energy is having many forms: Mechanical, Electrical, Heat, Magnetic and so on..
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Antony Ryan wrote on Jun. 23, 2013 @ 22:08 GMT
…..Either way your abstract argument based empirical evidence is strong given that "a mere description of material properties does not produce material". While of course materials do give information.
I think you deserve a place in the final based on this alone. Concise - simple - but undeniable.
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James Lee Hoover wrote on Jun. 28, 2013 @ 20:37 GMT
Peter,
I am still not sure what that intelligent bit is. You speak of quantum computers. Does your quantum computer concept address all quantum-mechanical phenomena such as superposition and entanglement? What role does consciousness have in your scheme of things?
Jim
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James Lee Hoover replied on Jun. 29, 2013 @ 03:41 GMT
Peter,
Incidentally, as you probably know, one could make a career out of studying your piece. It's quite esoteric.
Jim
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 11:44 GMT
James,
Thanks. Very insightful!
I'm not quite sure what the IQbit is either, but I think it's just a whole lot more information then yes/no held by the bit waiting for the right question.
Imagine an arrow. In a bit it points either up or down. In a qubit it points both up AND down ('superposed') but when you ask 'up or down?' it only gives one answer. In the IQbit the arrow is rotating. You can then ask it; "OK, exactly "how much" up or down at this instant in time, and how much at that instant. You can then have in inverse (Bayesian) amplitude distribution curve to describe the possible range of answers. That is then Godels 'n-valued' (fuzzy) Logic. i.e. Things are no more just 'red and green' than 'black and white'.
In entanglement; A particle is split into left and right handed (Chiral) rotating elements, sent in opposite directions in the EPR case. Whatever we find at one, the opposite is found at the other. But as a separate case, at short ranges the emissions can 'phase lock' with each other, so changing one can change the other. You then have optical screwdrivers, tomography etc. Check out how 'Bessel beams' behave! (just Google them).
Conciousness is crucial. There is no 'observation' without it, so no universe. No sense can be made of any computation of detected wavelength over a 'time period' without 'awareness'. Unfortunately having it is no guarantee of sense. i.e. if the 'processor' assumes the wrong 'rest frame' for deriving 'propagation speed', (as we do), only nonsense results. Now if we used the relevant 'channel' frame not the 'approach medium' frame, it would all make sense. This implies that 'surface' consciousness is a limited but variable quality which can be enhanced, perhaps from the subconscious 'potential' lying beneath. Do you think so?
I have yours on my list and look forward to reading it.
Peter
Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Jun. 30, 2013 @ 03:41 GMT
Hi Peter,
I found your essay this time around to be much more direct, leading the reader through smooth curves rather than employing a zigzag motion like last year. I read through the first half carefully and the second half quickly, so I still need to read for detail - but my essay has not posted yet anyway.
I think I like your idea on first reflection, though I have some reservations. It appears you are correct, at least in part, and have made a useful contribution to our understanding. I'll have to read it again for a full understanding, before I make a rating or form an opinion. I wish you luck.
All the Best,
Jonathan
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 11:51 GMT
Jonathen,
Thanks. Glad to see you're here. I look forward to reading yours.
I hope you should find increasing value in mine towards the end. The ontological construction comes together and builds to a 3D climax.
Please do raise any reservations or questions. I had to leave out over 90% of relevant matters and evidence to squeeze it all in!
Peter
Member Giacomo Mauro D'Ariano wrote on Jul. 1, 2013 @ 23:56 GMT
James
I cannot really follow the logic of your essay. What is your conclusion?
best wishes
Mauro
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 2, 2013 @ 09:28 GMT
Giacomo,
Thanks for looking. A number of conclusions emerge, possibly too dramatic to even 'see' at first, like the suggestion of our flat earth being spherical, but becoming entirely self apparent and logical once understood and assimilated.
1. Some fundamental assumptions are wrong. Nature is non-commutative (no A=A!)
2. A qubit caries more information than we ask of it, hidden in a higher order.
3. The EPR paradox may then be resolved as Bell believed, without spookyness.
4. Relativity and QM are then unified with only adjusted interpretation of both.
I agree with you the change to relativity is slightly greater, but only to the assumption that the QV can only have one 'absolute' rest frame. The postulates are proven via the quantum mechanism of scattering (CFS) at c. Close analogies with all QM interpretations seem to exist, including Copenhagen, via the proper definitions and logical application of 'detection' and 'measurement'. But you may hopefully advise on that?
Best wishes
Peter
Member Giacomo Mauro D'Ariano replied on Jul. 2, 2013 @ 09:52 GMT
Dear Peter
thanks for clarifying your points.
My only advise is never try to patch theories. Never use nice math as a motivation. Look for solid principles (really solid from the logical point of view), and pursue them up to their extreme consequences, and you will discover new solid physics. At least, you will have the statement of the theorem: "These principles imply that ...".
Best wishes
Mauro
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 3, 2013 @ 14:44 GMT
Mauro,
Many thanks. All sounds like good advice, but in presenting the model in the part I've been told it means nothing if not primarily mathematical (but I wasn't fooled!).
I've tried not to 'patch', but look for hidden likeness and expose consistencies where possible.
It would be possible to call it a 'replacement for relativity', but as Einstein did state all of SR is in the postulates, and it derives the postulates direct from a QM, that wouldn't be accurate, and such ideas are dismissed out of hand anyway!
I have published the extreme consequences (i.e. a cyclic cosmology) but that too can't get into a PR journal. Nevertheless I agree your advice, and thanks for the moral support. More direct logical clarity is what I like.
If there's anything in particular you think I'm patching, or any parts you actually disagree with, please do let me know.
Thanks
Peter
james r. akerlund wrote on Jul. 5, 2013 @ 08:30 GMT
Hi Peter,
I have finally read your interesting submission. But reading your submission is a little like listening to a person running a stream of conscience conversation, you get everything in the conversation. Yes, you said A not equal to A, but you didn't try to contradict that with counting sheep or any other form of counting, where A = A is the rule. In my world, I see everything through my eyes, and who doesn't see the world through their own eyes, but it was nice to read your vision through your eyes. I clearly don't see the way you do.
Jim Akerlund
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 5, 2013 @ 10:30 GMT
James,
(also posted on your thread)
Thanks for your comments on my blog. With respect to the slightly peripheral matter of a=a, I'm not sure if you gleaned the full meaning from my essay, which agrees that a=a is precisely correct for mathematics, just not shown also applicable to nature. This explains why mathematics is then a good approximation of nature, but to be precise a computer the size of the universe would be required, as Shannon's implication.
That proposition is consistent with the quantum uncertainty principle and is fully falsifiable so can be falsified as described, by finding any two entities at observable scale which are precisely identical. This remains an open invitation
An early objector whose spent months with a microscope and some sand dunes gave up when he realised he'd found nothing close, even in terms of any one of the many parameters. Aristotle = Aristotle is then fine as a metaphysical concept, so for mathematics, but I'm just pointing out that assuming the physical world also uses those laws appears to be incorrect.
So perhaps it's not so much 'how' we see things, as exactly 'what' we're looking at. I suggest our understanding of maths and the freedom from infinities it brings should be as big a benefit as the improved understanding of nature. Maths should then become more useful and precise, not less so.
That's certainly an unfamiliar way looking at things, but does that make it wrong?
Best wishes
Peter
PS. Addition; You may also be aware that all logical systems famously, are 'ultimately best by paradox'. They all start from A=A, which it seems may be the issue, resolved by Godel's n-valued logic and theorem.
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 8, 2013 @ 19:02 GMT
James,
Expressing my proposal with far more authority than I is Bill McHarris in his excellent essay;
"Mathematics can state things with certainty; physics cannot."
It's certainly a 'must read' essay, mainly on chaos theory and infinite regression, and underpinning all the foundations of mine which I thought could be no deeper!
I think it very solidly supports my conclusion; mathematics can be commutative but nature is not, and the space between 0 and 1 is of ubiquitous self-affine regressive determinism.
This is not a 'problem' but seems to expose a new opportunity for precision in the modelling of nature by mathematics. I'll be interested to see whether Bill's essay influences your perception.
Best wishes
peter
Christian Corda wrote on Jul. 9, 2013 @ 07:56 GMT
Excellent work, Peter! I just gave you an high score.
Cheers,
Ch.
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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Jul. 9, 2013 @ 08:30 GMT
Hi Peter,
Just to let you know I will be revisiting your Discrete Space Model. That should be after the FQXi contest which has so many essays I wonder if I can read all. More were uploaded yesterday.
The DSM resolves so many problems without special relativity. However, there are aspects I am studying particularly those attributed to GR. For example will light speed, c vary from one discrete space to another. Also, the unusually high speed of outlying stars in our galaxy, will this be accounted for by DSM or do you jettison Newton's v =GM/r?
Anyway, as I said so many essays to read for now.
All the best,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 9, 2013 @ 09:53 GMT
Akinbo,
I didn't set out to resolve GR with the DFM, but when the jigsaw puzzle came together a big hole at the front of the red steam engine remained, and I had a few red bits left that fitted perfectly. Now Popper said there's no such thing as 'proof',... but I'll hazard a guess.
There are reputedly two effects making light bend; Diffraction, and Curved space-time. There are all...
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Akinbo,
I didn't set out to resolve GR with the DFM, but when the jigsaw puzzle came together a big hole at the front of the red steam engine remained, and I had a few red bits left that fitted perfectly. Now Popper said there's no such thing as 'proof',... but I'll hazard a guess.
There are reputedly two effects making light bend; Diffraction, and Curved space-time. There are all sorts of issues with both, but if they're the same thing then all the issues are removed.
This then agrees with light changing speed at the boundary scattering zones found (shocks, haloes and surface charge/TZ's) to propagate at c or c/n in the rest frame of all inertial systems. Inertial systems can then now be real, made of matter, and as big and diffuse as we like.
Ergo; Light on a bus does c wrt the bus, when it's re-scattered at the window glass surface it does c wrt Mars (if the bus is on Mars), but that is NOT the same as c wrt Earth. It must travel to Earth and pass into our atmosphere to then do c wrt Earth (DSoppler shifted each time). if it then comes across a moving bus window, it changes again to c wrt that bus. light is then ALWAYS found at c by ALL moving observers. Paradox lost, paradise regained.
Yes, the high speed of outliers is explained. Speed is only ever a relative concept (it only ever has been). The inner halo has a rotating rest frame. the stars are actually moving quite slowly. But they may of course be moving very fast wrt and other arbitrary observer frame.
Newton's approximation is pretty good, representing the particle density fall off, but the Yukawa ('screened Coulomb') potential's slightly sharper cut off at the shock should proves more precise.
PS. I posted a question re dark matter on yours (on an an early June string). I also think your question on the question of existence was good, and raised an issue with the basis and approach used there.
I think you should be higher. I'll pass out some encouragement. Best wishes.
Peter
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Anton Biermans wrote on Jul. 10, 2013 @ 02:02 GMT
Hi Peter,
I must say that I find your essay quite complicated: to me the 'its' are as important as the bits.
If the information as embodied in particle properties (which are internalized rules of behavior, the expression of laws of physics) in a self-creating universe must be the product of a trial-and-error evolution, if particles, 'its' are as much the source as the product of...
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Hi Peter,
I must say that I find your essay quite complicated: to me the 'its' are as important as the bits.
If the information as embodied in particle properties (which are internalized rules of behavior, the expression of laws of physics) in a self-creating universe must be the product of a trial-and-error evolution, if particles, 'its' are as much the source as the product of their interactions, of the exchange of bits, then information only can evolve when molded into material particles and tested in actual particle interactions for their potency to survive: only such information survives which enables its embodiments, its 'test dummies' to become viable and survive, become real particles.
If real particles are virtual particles which by alternately borrowing and lending each other the energy to exist, force each other to reappear again and again after every disappearance, then they create and un-create each other over and over again. As the energy sign of a particle alternates, it is a wave phenomenon. If the energy, the rest frequency of a particle is the sum, the superposition of all frequencies it exchanges energy at, bits with all particles within its interaction horizon, a frequency which depends on their mass, distance and motion, then the particle in its properties contains all relevant information about its entire universe, information which is refreshed in every cycle of its oscillation. Now if particles, particle properties are both cause and effect of their interactions, if a particle owes its existence, its properties to interactions with all other particles within its interaction horizon, then two particles only would be identical if their universes would completely overlap, coincide (in which case their energy would be infinite according to the uncertainty principle), so I can agree with your statement that ''No two entities are absolutely identical at any instant''. If a self-creating universe must obey the conservation law which says that what comes out of nothing must add to nothing, then the universe indeed cannot have any particular properties as a whole, so if it is to prevent this, then this may mean that all possibilities must be realized somewherewhen, which would agree with your proposition that ''In an infinite universe all probabilities are non-zero'' though a universe which obeys this conservation law doesn't exist, has no physical reality as a whole, as 'seen' from without, but only exists as seen from within.
Regards, Anton
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Domenico Oricchio wrote on Jul. 10, 2013 @ 18:15 GMT
In response to my post
I have read and voted for each essay contest, and I would prefer to stay in the back of the rating.
Thank you for reading my essay: I do not put limits on things to say to my brothers, some are not publishable! Others can be interesting.
I reread your essay: I am thinking, like you, that the bit rate of a quantum communication channel could be high (I think the new results in the Terabyte transmission of twisted photon in optical fiber), and is the the twisting a potential qbit transmission?
I think that fuzzy logic can overcome the paradox of the logic, if each proposition is applied to the reality (like the physics), no one proposition is really true (this reminds me Descartes: truth value less of one) and we can assign a absolute truth only to the not measurable things (metaphysics).
I must read with more attention your solution of EPR paradox, although I think that superluminary signalling and not locality cannot be separate.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 10, 2013 @ 21:10 GMT
Domenico,
Thanks. Yes, truth values between 0 and 1 contain the hidden values we just call 'noise'!
I agree; "superlumina(l) signalling and no(n) locality cannot be separate(d)" They are both falsified by those hidden values and roundly rejected in favour of Local Reality. This most importantly unifies SR and QM.
Bill McHarris's essay is consistent and also worth another read, as I think are Gordon Watson's, Edwins, Tom Ray's and Akinbo Ojo's among others.
Truth is more important than score. But then again, to spread the truth...!
Best wishes
Peter
Anonymous wrote on Jul. 11, 2013 @ 03:17 GMT
Peter,
I appreciate your lucid explanation of the toroidal dynamics of the wave form and how EPR probability distributions can be reproduced by the correlated cosine curve. (I also take an "excluded middle approach" to the transition between the quantum and classical domains in my essay "A Complex Conjugate Bit and It".)
Recent interferometer experiments confirm that a photon can be put into an ambiguous mixture of wave and particle (Nature Photonics, vol 6, p 600; Science, vol 338), thus, constituting a continuum of probabilities, rather than just a yes/no bit.
One question - how do you reconcile the IQbit with "no go" theorems like Kochen-Specker?
Best wishes,
Richard Shand
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 11, 2013 @ 14:25 GMT
Richard,
Thanks for the comments and support. Of course Bell's itself is a no-go theorem, by passed in the same way as nature does more than was envisaged CJD and Haag are the same, of limited validity.
Kochen-Specker or BCS makes two assumptions and point out they conflict. That then becomes a 'straw man' argument as different assumptions are used in the 'higher order' sample space producing the local cosine curves.
The 'orbit' is an additional parameter which yes/no questions can't gain information from. Bob and Alice can then then ask 'how much' in each case, and each get a related answer within an overall 'total'. Those answers are then not linear but a cosine curve projection of the 'orbiting' helical interaction at EACH detector.
In terms of Bell's '3 overlapping discs' we may say the overlapping areas blend together, so are 'fuzzy, rather than 'crisp edged'
The Photonics paper you refer sound about right. Is there a title or an arXiv link to it?
I've added your essay to my read list.
Best wishes
Peter
Richard N. Shand replied on Jul. 13, 2013 @ 01:34 GMT
Peter,
Thank you very much for your encouraging review of my essay.
Your essay has clarified the whole issue of no-go theorems. Knowledge of Bell correlations are generated by a global deterministic mechanism in conjunction with the uncertainty induced by the conditional entropy of a local observer.
The paper I referred to is Jeff Z. Salvail, Megan Agnew, Allan S. Johnson, Eliot Bolduc, Jonathan Leach, Robert W. Boyd. "Full characterization of polarization states of light via direct measurement", arXiv:1206.2618v2, (submitted on 12 Jun 2012, last revised 1 Aug 2012).
Best,
Richard
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Anonymous wrote on Jul. 11, 2013 @ 17:42 GMT
Greetings Peter,
I can see now why you said we have a view in common -- we do -- and I understand this paper much better than your previous.
Something that has not changed between us, however, is that your work is so much more ambitious than mine -- I have to look for a solid "hand hole" to grasp, in order to make useful and comprehensible remarks.
First, let me list the...
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Greetings Peter,
I can see now why you said we have a view in common -- we do -- and I understand this paper much better than your previous.
Something that has not changed between us, however, is that your work is so much more ambitious than mine -- I have to look for a solid "hand hole" to grasp, in order to make useful and comprehensible remarks.
First, let me list the assumptions on which we unconditionally agree:
-- a continuum of consciousness
-- a wave function of noncollapsing potential
-- Correlation of measurement events without assuming the existence of particles
-- The falsity of LEM for physical applications
I won't comment on how you get there because it will inevitably lead to a technical argument, and the minutiae are unimportant. Instead, I'd like to take one narrow piece from your essay that has generated volumes of commentary (and acrimonious dialogue) -- the Monty Hall problem -- and try to show how it binds what we know locally to what we can determine globally:
Mathematicians will always agree -- that given x contestants choosing 1 of 3 doors, two of which hide a goat, and the third a new car -- one can predict that over many iterations or many contestants simultaneously choosing from sets of doors that (by the law of large numbers) 1/3 of the contestants will win cars.
The singular case in which the host (Monty) opens one door of the two that a contestant has not chosen -- and reveals a goat, then asks the contestant if she would like to switch choices -- raises the question of whether the contestant has a winning advantage by switching the choice, or staying with the first.
Naively, one thinks that -- because Monty has shown one of two doors that the car is *not* behind, that the odds of choosing the winning door have been increased some 16% (from 1/3 to 1/2) by choosing to switch. In fact, though, the odds are still 1 in 3 whether the contestant switches the choice or not.
Even though the contestant knows in advance that Monty will never open the door with a car behind it, this information adds nothing to her knowledge of what door the car is behind. In other words, a potential choice (the door identified but not yet opened), does not change the energy state of the system.
To see why, compare this scenario to the Schrodinger Cat experiment. The decay rate of the substance that emits a particle and triggers the hammer that breaks the vial that releases the poison that kills the cat -- is precisely known. The energy potential of the hammer is identical to the pre-choice of door in the MH problem -- If Monty lifts the lid on the box and declares "the cat is alive," or "the cat is dead," it has no effect on the decay rate of the material or the energy potential of the hammer.
Monty, however, *cannot choose* to say "the cat is dead," because we *know* that the conditions under which the cat dies are fully determined, even though hidden in a black box. There is absolutely no point in Monty communicating to us that the cat is dead, and here's why:
If the cat were dead, the experiment is ended -- just as if Monty opened the door with the car behind it while the contestant still has a choice pending. It doesn't happen, because Monty knows which door the car is behind. He isn't an observer making a binary choice; he's the guiding principle *behind* the measurement choice. This is the same principle by which Joy Christian successfully argues for the choice that Nature makes independently of physical observers, and which guarantees real binary measurement of anticorrelated values.
Ultimately, the free will hypothesis prevails, because -- and I made this point repeatedly in the great "debate" over Christian's result -- *unless* Nature has a choice, human observers have no free will. The energy cost to remove the middle value is equal to the observer's choice to change the state of the system.
Anyway, good job and all best wishes in the competition!
Tom
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Thomas Howard Ray replied on Jul. 11, 2013 @ 17:45 GMT
Dang it. I don't know how this log-in system works. It was I, of course.
Tom
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 13, 2013 @ 12:35 GMT
Tom,
I agree. A mountain is a mountain. All views of it differ, as all paths climbing it, but two views of the same mountain only add to its veracity.
Your comment on the Monty Hall case is interesting. When the computer programme was run, proving Parade agony aunt 'Ask Marilyn' correct and almost all the mathematics community including Paul Erdos wrong (1990) it seemed not to matter...
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Tom,
I agree. A mountain is a mountain. All views of it differ, as all paths climbing it, but two views of the same mountain only add to its veracity.
Your comment on the Monty Hall case is interesting. When the computer programme was run, proving Parade agony aunt 'Ask Marilyn' correct and almost all the mathematics community including Paul Erdos wrong (1990) it seemed not to matter which other door was opened, i.e. if a random choice was made, and any choice finding the car discarded, the result was the same. This is what Probability Theory says. There is a 'probability mass' or 'density' behind the chosen door which remains all the time that first choice remains.
If between two groups of people one man has a cheque for you, and the groups were split 100/10 you'd have a 10:1 change it would be in the big group. If 95 of that group left, but none of those had the cheque, so the groups were 5/10, would those original odds change? I suggest certainly not; you now have 10:1 odds it's one of the 5. The probability mass remains in place. But the instruction for those without the cheque to leave DOES have a an influence, as does Monty's choice of which door, or discarding random 'wrong' door choices. I agree. Standard probability theory is then incomplete.
A similar additional parameter also drives my EPR resolution. Rotation on a common axis was not envisaged by Bell. Two contra spinning donuts meeting angled 'planes' (detector field settings) will then have additional correlations within the so called 'singlet states' assumed. Wearas Bell just asked 'up or down', we find Bob and Alice can also ask 'how high/low' in each case.
They then find a more consistent QM uncertainty emerges, as some conditions are certain (same or opposite relative angles, 0 and 100% correlation) but uncertanty increased between those angles. This orbit to plane cosine curve translation is then described by Malus's Law (angle dependence) which resolves the EPR paradox! (No FTL required). This is an exceptionally big deal, but it appears to have been missed. Can you grasp it?
Peter
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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Jul. 13, 2013 @ 12:59 GMT
Hello Peter,
Firstly, since you are enamored of an an Included Middle between binary 0 and 1, by which I assume a continuous nature of space picture, what do you think of the Planck length? Could it have a physical significance?
Secondly, and reason for this is that I posted whats below on Armin Shirazi's blog. You may have something to say on that thread.
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Dear Armin,
You ask me a couple of head scratching questions over at my blog, let me "retaliate". Talking of backgrounds, about which you know so much, particularly section 4 of essay:
1. When a celestial body curves the space around it according to GR, is this curved space carried along with the orbiting body's motion?
Or
2. Does the body leave this space behind, thereby uncurving it, while curving the previously uncurved space in its new orbital location?
Or
3. Is there a third consideration?
If you answer positively to 1), would this not be important to experiments like the Michelson-Morley expt?
If it is 2) you answer positively to, will such a space capable of being curved and uncurved, not be a substantival background? Taking note, that with the action-reaction principle, something can only be said capable of being acted upon IF it can also react. Then as you ask me will this reaction be instantaneous?
One head-scratching turn deserves another!
Regards,
Akinbo
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All the best,
Akinbo
*I saw somewhere you said you were always on holiday! Lucky you!
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Don Limuti replied on Jul. 16, 2013 @ 04:13 GMT
Akinbo,
The Planck Length can be interpreted as the smallest wavelength that is permitted in nature.
It is speculative, but you may find this link interesting:
http://www.digitalwavetheory.com/DWT/33_Mechanic
s_of_Digital_Waves.html
Don L.
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 13, 2013 @ 16:58 GMT
Akinbo,
Not always. Last Sunday was the first time I got to sail my yacht this year!
Yes, the Plank length should be significant. First it may be the ultimate size limit for the recursive non-linear fractal higher order 'spaces' I discuss. It's also then related indirectly to the Fine Structure Constant via the wavelength minimum limit gamma and photo-ionization at the 'Optical...
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Akinbo,
Not always. Last Sunday was the first time I got to sail my yacht this year!
Yes, the Plank length should be significant. First it may be the ultimate size limit for the recursive non-linear fractal higher order 'spaces' I discuss. It's also then related indirectly to the Fine Structure Constant via the wavelength minimum limit gamma and photo-ionization at the 'Optical Breakdown' (OB) energy density, which is the minimum wavelength planck limit.
It may be best considered wrt your next question; All implicit from the DFM ontology.
Let's say there is a dark energy/Higgs 'continuum' condensate of some kind (not made of the dreaded ether of course!), which can 'move around' to avoid the 'absolute background' problem of SR. Now it just happens that dark energy has a local energy limit, so its not very compressible before it starts throwing up fermion conjugate pairs (condenses matter). This largely happens when an already massive body is passing through it, so forming the bow shock and tail of ions.
(the space 'inside' this remains in the bodies own rest frame).
The shock is then a 'boundary state' and the particles there 'scatter' all EM fluctuations to the local c each side of the shock (Ergo CSL). Now when the density is high, normally at high speeds but subject to ambient density, the bow shock gets ever more dense, slowing down propagation speed (both 'through it' and of the body it surrounds). When it reaches OB density it gets real hot, and astronauts can't speak to Huston as EM waves can't get through it. (they have to be slowed down remember, to the background speed c. The Planck length dictates where the effective 'brick wall' at gamma lies, so defining 'light speed'.
Does that all make sense to you? It's actually a very efficient and natural system if you think about it. The boundaries beteween the 'discrete fields formed are 'two-fluid plasma's'. (They also form Maxwell's near/far field transition zone, explaining EM logically at a stroke). There's no wasted energy anywhere. That is of course just a glimpse of the DFM dynamics. There are more glimpses in my previous 3 essays here.
I should get to Armin's essay shortly now.
Best wishes
Peter
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Jeff Baugher wrote on Jul. 15, 2013 @ 12:44 GMT
Peter and others interested in his wonderful essay,
You stated in your essay " A fresh view suggests that the most foundational logical proposition; A = A, or Aristotle = Aristotle is false." I would agree and state that the theorems listed
HERE aren't necessarily valid in physical theory. Let me give a thought experiment to help bolster your argument. From summation properties of vectors
From the transitive property, any equation with A+B we can substitute in C. However, in the modeling of physical phenomenon we had assumed at infinity that
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Instead we find that it goes to zero at much less than infinity, but far outside the realm of human physical senses we are left with physical phenomena of multiple points that seem governed by
Is there then a difference between
such that
where allowing substitution at the human perspective level leads to pardoxes? I would state that Peter is correct.
Thanks
Jeff Baugher
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 15, 2013 @ 15:42 GMT
Jeff,
You're very kind, thanks. The implications are fundamental and most important, leading to paradox free unification of SR and QM through a discrete field model (DFM) from which a quantized GR then simply emerges. You'll hopefully find my previous three essays fully consistent and now more understandable.
Peter
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 15, 2013 @ 16:27 GMT
EPR PARADOX SOLUTION SIMPLIFIED
Take two CD size discs, hold them face to face a little apart(a mate can do the same behind you). These can perhaps represent simple orbiting dipoles or monopoles.
In your right hand is Alice's detector B, in your left is an entangled particle P approaching the detector, spinning in opposite directions. Now tip the top of the 'detector' disc so it...
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EPR PARADOX SOLUTION SIMPLIFIED
Take two CD size discs, hold them face to face a little apart(a mate can do the same behind you). These can perhaps represent simple orbiting dipoles or monopoles.
In your right hand is Alice's detector B, in your left is an entangled particle P approaching the detector, spinning in opposite directions. Now tip the top of the 'detector' disc so it touches P. It doesn't actually matter where on the 'orbit', but your mate's detector B is changed to line up exactly parallel with A. The contact points are exactly opposite so you find 0% correlation. we'll call these 'up' and 'down', (but they could equally be 'left' and 'right').
You now tilt the opposite side forward, so it's 180 degrees different to Alice's, in which case it touches at exactly the SAME point, so you get 100% correlation.
Now if you bring the disc P more vertical and touch the 'detector' disc you'll find the 'touch point' less 'certain', until at vertical it touches 'all over', then tilt it the other way, progressively further from vertical, and it again becomes more certain.
If you did it 1,000 times you'd find at 'flat together' there would be a ~50:50 distribution of 'up and 'down'. This is true WHEREVER on the orbit you've selected the first touch point. (If the discs are coloured half and half red blending to green then just pick the greenest points of both as the start point).
Now you'll find that not only does this arrangement result in the Bell inequalities (the cosine curve distribution) when the two sets of results are 'correlated', but ALSO gives a cosine curve distribution independently at EACH detector! That means no spooky or FTL communication is required;
Consider; You change Bob's detector angle relative to Alice's, from 180 to 60 degrees. The uncertainty of touch point increases, and YOU have produced the cosine curve of unequal correlation between the two (up/down) results yourself with NO communication with Alice. Alice can do exactly the same without reference to you!! Malu's Law applies, converting a circle to a plane giving a cosine 'wave' distribution subject to angle. The 3D 'orbit' parameter is additional to Bells assumptions.
The only assumption is the conserved orientation of the entangled particles spin axis. It is not exactly a 'hidden variable' theory, but a large scale variable as Bell anticipated may prove the answer, substantially unifying SR and QM.
If FQXi was ever going to have a headline breakthrough this must surely be it!!
The links in the 1st post above contain the video and experimental evidence of the orbital angular momentum invoked.
Peter
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 16, 2013 @ 11:55 GMT
COSINE CURVE DERIVATION CLARIFIED
While the source of the 'curve' should now be clear, to spell it out;
To make it more real, imagine each disc as a donut (or use real ones so you can eat them later). Imagine each detector disc A and B at 90 degrees to the 'particle' discs P. (note; it doesn't matter much where on P the two touch).
The detectors are now 180 degrees different....
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COSINE CURVE DERIVATION CLARIFIED
While the source of the 'curve' should now be clear, to spell it out;
To make it more real, imagine each disc as a donut (or use real ones so you can eat them later). Imagine each detector disc A and B at 90 degrees to the 'particle' discs P. (note; it doesn't matter much where on P the two touch).
The detectors are now 180 degrees different. Any reduction in the 90 degree angle first has only a small effect (so 'non linear') on the POSITION of the contact spot on the the detector donut (A,B). So a change of say 3 degrees has very little effect on the contact point.
However. The closer to parallel the touching donuts get the larger the 'contact position' change' resulting from the same change of angle. So at say a 2 degree angle, a change of just 3 degrees moves the contact position massively. The exact position at any angle is then at maximum uncertainty. The contact point can be anywhere around the 'orbit'.
At say 30 degrees the 'position change' will only be 25%, and at 60 degrees it will be 75%. This is the exact prediction of quantum mechanics. It is derived with no FTL communication because the orientation of the entangled particles is the same. Only the relative detector setting angle changes.
Voila.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 20, 2013 @ 16:10 GMT
COSINE CURVE DERIVATION COMPLETED
I forgot readers may have forgotten my fundamental essay theses of HANDED, spin, giving the helical path, and hierarchical nested higher order "sample spaces" (currently 'noise'). So the above is only complete WITH those. i.e:
The quantity giving the reading at each detector is 'CHANGE' (at charge interaction), not just 'position' around the...
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COSINE CURVE DERIVATION COMPLETED
I forgot readers may have forgotten my fundamental essay theses of HANDED, spin, giving the helical path, and hierarchical nested higher order "sample spaces" (currently 'noise'). So the above is only complete WITH those. i.e:
The quantity giving the reading at each detector is 'CHANGE' (at charge interaction), not just 'position' around the 'orbit'. So lets run some tests with our 4 donuts;
Both meet face to face; Result = 0% correlation as spins are opposite.
Bob's turned 180^o; Result = 100% correlation as spins both then match.
Now consider the picture in 3D with the contacts 'orbiting', so the detector donuts act like spun coins on a surface just before coming to rest, and remember Alice's is opposite handed. Now lets pick an arbitrary 'zero', say horizontal and 'left', so 180 degrees is then opposite, so 'right'. Now at 90 degrees we are at top or bottom so max uncertainty of 50;50 left and right. This works the same when starting from ANYWHERE around the orbit, is NON-LINEAR, and and is 'handed' whichever side (i.e. 180-360 degrees) the donuts (detectors) are set.
Now watch and consider the animation in the first blog post under my bio above. the independent cosine curve at EACH detector now comes to life (seen projected onto the horizontal plane).
LIVING PROOF! that FTL and spookyness may NOT be needed to reproduce the predictions of QM, solving the EPR paradox (and obeying Malus' Law). The new axiom; Polarisations have a common axis, which entangled particles retain.
Now even beyond that 'sample space' there are more, because there are two charge s which are actually helically counter-wound around the donut body, this is then the dynamic of an AGN or Nuclear Tokamak - but your brains may already be hurting so lets not go there yet, and just decode the 'noise' between the binary cardinals one step at a time!
If anyone can't rationalise the proof or disagrees do please just ask or say.
Best wishes
Peter
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Don Limuti wrote on Jul. 16, 2013 @ 04:18 GMT
Hi Peter,
We are on the same wavelength, some details are different. But overall I always feel good praising your work. :)
Don L.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 17, 2013 @ 09:33 GMT
Don,
Thanks. Perhaps that shows good intuition!?
Harmonic phase locking may be a more important effect than we realise.
Peter
Daryl Janzen wrote on Jul. 16, 2013 @ 20:06 GMT
Peter,
Interesting essay! Your A=A is false idea was new to me, but what you said makes sense. I also agree with your point, that "Apparent changes observed are changes to physical entities and relationships NOT to any entity called 'Time'".
I think I see what you were referring to in the comment you left on my essay page, and I will have another look and try to properly respond to that now.
Well done, and best wishes!
Daryl
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 17, 2013 @ 19:09 GMT
Daryl,
Thanks. I look forward to your further comments. Do also look at my detailed EPR explanations a few posts up.
Peter
john stephan selye wrote on Jul. 17, 2013 @ 15:59 GMT
Dear Peter,
I am intrigued by how you essentially describe our physics' parameters as flexible borders, and I believe you hold, as I do, that these are ultimately centered in the Human Mind.
Am I right in thinking that EPR quantifies the interaction of Mind and Cosmos? This last was a very technical exploration, and I'm thankful for the video links you provide.
I myself describe a cosmic paradigm of correlated energy vortices that not only describes a quantum/classical correlation - but describes the cosmos in terms of correlated energy vortices that include the evolving observer.
My language is non-technical, but the result is highly structural - and I think you might find it intriguing. I expand the definitions of It and Bit far beyond those signified by Wheeler, and conclude that their interaction is one of continuous and simultaneous shifts - or more precisely, of correlation.
I think your work is clearly significant, and will resolve certain apparently 'metaphysical' aspects of reality to the 'physical' Cosmos. I have rated your essay, of course, and would be delighted if you could let me know what you think of mine.
All the Best!
John.
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 17, 2013 @ 19:17 GMT
John,
Sincerest thanks for your kind comments. I've added your essay to my read list, and I'll also score it. It sounds interesting.
My essentially mechanistic and 'real' derivation certainly has coherent philosophical, logical and metaphysical dimensions which I appreciate you connecting with
Peter
john stephan selye replied on Jul. 18, 2013 @ 13:24 GMT
Hi Peter,
When you come to my site (and I thank you in advance for doing so) please let me know if you see, generally speaking, some potential for expressing EPR in terms of my paradigm.
I've been thinking about this since I've read your paper, and I'd like to be clearer about it.
Many Thanks,
John
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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Jul. 17, 2013 @ 19:47 GMT
Hello Peter,
I have rated you already so this does not strictly apply to you. I know you may not agree completely with this It from Bit stuff but your answer is however valued.
As the contest in Wheeler's honor draws to a close, leaving for the moment considerations of rating and prize money, and knowing we cannot all agree on whether 'it' comes from 'bit' or otherwise or even what 'it' and 'bit' mean, and as we may not be able to read all essays, though we should try, I pose the following 4 simple questions and will rate you accordingly before July 31 when I will be revisiting your blog.
"If you wake up one morning and dip your hand in your pocket and 'detect' a million dollars, then on your way back from work, you dip your hand again and find that there is nothing there…
1) Have you 'elicited' an information in the latter case?
2) If you did not 'participate' by putting your 'detector' hand in your pocket, can you 'elicit' information?
3) If the information is provided by the presence of the crisp notes ('its') you found in your pocket, can the absence of the notes, being an 'immaterial source' convey information?
Finally, leaving for the moment what the terms mean and whether or not they can be discretely expressed in the way spin information is discretely expressed, e.g. by electrons
4) Can the existence/non-existence of an 'it' be a binary choice, representable by 0 and 1?"
Answers can be in binary form for brevity, i.e. YES = 1, NO = 0, e.g. 0-1-0-1.
Best regards,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 19, 2013 @ 10:47 GMT
Akinbo,
Good question. If I haven't been pickpocketed I'd rationalise it to;
An experiment finds '1', which may then also be quantified as anything between one and infinite dollars. A repeat then finds '0', (air, not notes) which may then also be quantified as anything between 1 and infinite molecules, but no notes, aeroplanes, ice cubes etc.
The mistake we make is believing 1 and 0 is all the information we can elicit and have elicited. So;
1) Yes.
2) No, not comparably, but Yes by other means (can I feel a lump, cold or wetness, hear any jet engines or smell the fuel etc).
3) Yes.
4) Yes. But very far from a complete description of the contents of the pocket.
I'm sorry if any of that's at all 'under your radar', but it includes the 'noise' of reality ignored by binary systems.
Peter
WANG Xiong wrote on Jul. 18, 2013 @ 13:23 GMT
Dear Peter Jackson
Thanks for your nice essay, i rated it with high mark
The bit is Intelligent, what about it? what gives rise to information?
and from a different point view, my essay may interest you
Bit: from Breaking symmetry of it
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1906
While symmetry is kind of redundancy which means loss of information, breaking of symmetry gives rise to information.
Hope you enjoy it
Regards,
Xiong
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 19, 2013 @ 15:13 GMT
Wang,
Thank you kindly. I find the 'change' of relative motion as the fundamental of information, which very much agrees with your own thesis. I commend you on your search and believe my last two essays here may greatly assist.
Best wishes
Peter
Patrick Tonin wrote on Jul. 18, 2013 @ 16:02 GMT
Hi Peter,
You definetely crammed a lot in your essay !
I can see some of the analogies you were mentioning in your comments on my
essay.
In my theory, the observer and his surrounding world (the 2D information describing it) are moving at the speed of light (not the field) through the past/present/future information, this simplifies things a lot (it is a radical new way to look at fields, in fact we don't need fields anymore, in a certain way "we" are the field).
You said that you agree with some of my conclusions but not all of them (I suspect it is the 2D/3D aspect), if you have time, you can take a look at my
website, you might change your mind on some things.
In any case, nice essay and you deserve your good position in the contest.
Best of luck,
Patrick
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Than Tin wrote on Jul. 18, 2013 @ 20:17 GMT
Hello Peter
As you know, I consider ANALOGY as a flag ship of THOUGHT AND THINKING, and LOGIC and FORMS OF RATIONALITY a necessary and important complements to it. The question only is which comes first.
Analogy comes first because it is an automatic process. As heat has the propensity to become cold (it needs work for hot to become cold: It’s 100 degree Fahrenheit in NYC right about now. AC machines are whirling like dervishes!), analogy tends toward eventual rationality. Practical examples abound: You can’t do quantum computations for long without it becoming prematurely classical. (How do you maintain coherence when there is a gale force of disturbances?)
You said “Nature is commonly assigned symbols such as 'numbers' to allow computation. Yet in this vast excluded middle ground lies most of nature and a dichotomy with logic” and “No logical or mathematical system claims to have overcome paradox.”
I completely share your sentiments – or shall I say your statements -- when I said somewhat metaphorically that ANALOGY is the iceberg under the waterline of RATIONALITY. People assigns a privilege status to RATIONALITY (math and logic etc.) because it’s the first thing they see and notice consciously and widely promoted by the way, while in reality, ANALOGY is the one that is basically supporting the foundation of RATIONALITY. Without ANALOGY, there will be no RATIONALITY.
When I have to explain such view, I think of wave-particle duality and QUANTUM coming before CLASSICAL. Your statement “Infinities and irrational and transcendental numbers (i.e. π) outnumber rational numbers!” is, I believe, saying the same thing.
Finally, Nature itself is “analogical” because it allows us to glimpse the truth with each of us wearing glasses of different colors and prescriptions.
Cheers
Than Tin
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Ralph Waldo Walker III wrote on Jul. 20, 2013 @ 04:32 GMT
Peter,
First, I want to let you know that I am deeply impressed with your depth of knowledge. I am also struck the depth of your thinking, your graphics, and your willingness to 'put yourself on the line' intellectually. It takes a great deal of courage to think creatively and differently from whatever the 'conventional wisdom' of the current times happen to be.
Second, I must be intellectually honest with you in admitting that there are a number of things you refer to that I am simply unfamiliar with, and so some of the points you make are lost on me due to my personal ignorance of the subject. Nevertheless, I think I understood the gist of most of what you wrote and considering the rules, purpose and goals of the contest, believe you deserve the high ratings you've received so far from the community - which now includes mine!
Best to you, and again, I hope we'll keep in touch in the future.
Sincerely,
Ralph
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 20, 2013 @ 14:52 GMT
Ralph,
You're very kind. I really appreciate the 'sympatico' as I'm often made to feel like one of a few survivors trying to save a planet where most have been zombified and are trying to zombify me or kill me off!
Please do keep in touch. You may get a better idea of discrete field model (DFM) fundamentals if you wish from previous essays, or perhaps first here with others;
2020 Vision. DFM. Expanded finalist FQXi essay 2011. Academia.eduBest wishes.
Peter
Ralph Waldo Walker III replied on Jul. 20, 2013 @ 15:55 GMT
Peter,
I'll definitely keep in touch, and I will check out your previous essays and the link you've provided to familiarize (or make a valiant attempt to do so) myself with DFM.
Also, please hurry up and discover the solution to the zombie problem. I live in Atlanta, Georgia, where the television series 'The Walking Dead' is filmed and they've completely overrun the place . . . I don't know how much longer I can hold out!!!
Best to you,
Ralph
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 20, 2013 @ 16:26 GMT
Ralph,
OK, I'll send Will Smith down. They missed me at Atlanta (airport) recently en route from London to NASA at the cape for the very last Shuttle (747) flight. I also drove Charleston SC to Key West. Savannah for lunch was gorgeous.
Find some truth and use that. I've found it beats them off (I was never one for hiding) but they often get mad when they attack it and fail! Only a few dezombified so far, but I'm like Ted Turner; Tenacious. If you get any ideas from reading the papers let me know.
Best wishes
Peter
Jayakar Johnson Joseph wrote on Jul. 21, 2013 @ 17:08 GMT
Dear Peter,
Evolution of an intelligent information unit of bits in matrices of probability density in super-matrix hierarchy that resolves the non-fundamental nature of bit on observation is plausible. Yet in particle scenario the outcome is intelligent rather than reality, as the observation of particle is probabilistic rather than realistic, while the Law of the excluded middle is inconsistent on this.
With different intermediate logics, zero-dimensional particle scenario of universe is transformational into one-dimensional
string-matter continuum, in that three-dimensional structures of matters of universe evolve from eigen-rotational string-matter segments of tetrahedral-branes in hierarchy.
Thus the unit of information in matrix to be quantised with the incident-time of the observer for observing information continuum of string-segments in discrete cyclic-times, in reference to the linear time flow of hierarchical cyclic-times of the universe and with this unit of information the string-matter continuum is observational only in near-reality rather than in absolute-reality, as the inclusion of middle is not absolute in that your concept of ‘Law of the Reducing Middle’ is descriptive.
With best wishes
Jayakar
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 2, 2013 @ 14:00 GMT
Jayakar,
Many Thanks,
How do we get new Laws of Physics passed?
Peter
sridattadev kancharla wrote on Jul. 23, 2013 @ 01:19 GMT
Dear All,
It is with utmost joy and love that I give you all the cosmological iSeries which spans the entire numerical spectrum from -infinity through 0 to +infinity and the simple principle underlying it is sum of any two consecutive numbers is the next number in the series. 0 is the base seed and i can be any seed between 0 and infinity.
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Dear All,
It is with utmost joy and love that I give you all
the cosmological iSeries which spans the entire numerical spectrum from -infinity through 0 to +infinity and the simple principle underlying it is sum of any two consecutive numbers is the next number in the series. 0 is the base seed and i can be any seed between 0 and infinity.
iSeries always yields two sub semi series, each of which has 0 as a base seed and 2i as the first seed.
One of the sub series is always defined by the equation
Sn = 2 * Sn-1 + Sigma (i=2 to n) Sn-i
where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2 * i
the second sub series is always defined by the equation
Sn = 3 * Sn-1 -Sn-2
where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2 * i
Division of consecutive numbers in each of these subseries always eventually converges on 2.168 which is the Square of 1.618.
Union of these series always yields another series which is just a new iSeries of a 2i first seed and can be defined by the universal equation
Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-2
where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2*i
Division of consecutive numbers in the merged series always eventually converges on 1.618 which happens to be the golden ratio "Phi".
Fibonacci series is just a subset of the iSeries where the first seed or S1 =1.
Examples
starting iSeries governed by Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-2
where i = 0.5, S0 = 0 and S1 = 0.5
-27.5 17 -10.5 6.5 -4 2.5 -1.5 1 -.5 .5 0 .5 .5 1 1.5 2.5 4 6.5 10.5 17 27.5
Sub series governed by Sn = 2 * Sn-1 + Sigma (i=2 to n) Sn-i
where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2i = 1
0 1 2 5 13 34 ...
Sub series governed by Sn = 3 * Sn-1 - Sn-2
where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2i = 1
0 1 3 8 21 55 ...
Merged series governed by Sn = Sn-1 + Sn-2 where S0 = 0 and S1 = 2i = 1
0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 ...... (Fibonacci series is a subset of iSeries)
The above equations hold true for any value of i, again confirming the singularity of i.
As per Antony Ryan's suggestion, a fellow author in this contest, I searched google to see how Fibonacci type series can be used to explain Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity and found an interesting article.
The-Fibonacci-code-behind-superstring-theory Now that I split the Fibonacci series in to two semi series, seems like each of the sub semi series corresponds to QM and GR and together they explain the Quantum Gravity. Seems like this duality is a commonality in nature once relativity takes effect or a series is kicked off. I can draw and analogy and say that this dual series with in the "iSeries" is like the double helix of our DNA. The only commonality between the two series is at the base seed 0 and first seed 1, which are the bits in our binary system.
I have put forth the absolute truth in the
Theory of everything that universe is an "iSphere" and we humans are capable of perceiving the 4 dimensional 3Sphere aspect of the universe and described it with an equation of S=BM^2.
I have also conveyed the absolute mathematical truth of
zero = I = infinity and proved the same using the newly found "iSeries" which is a super set of Fibonacci series.
All this started with a simple question, who am I?
I am drawn out of my self or singularity or i in to existence.
I super positioned my self or I to be me.
I am one of our kind, I is every one of all kinds.
I am Fibonacci series in iSeries
I am phi in zero = I = infinity
I am 3Sphere in iSphere
I am pi in zero = I = infinity
I am human and I is GOD (Generator Organizer Destroyer).
Love,
Sridattadev.
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Chidi Idika wrote on Jul. 23, 2013 @ 07:51 GMT
Dear Peter,
It seems to me logically given and experimentally verifiable that your IQbit (the excluded middle?) should have MORE resolving power. This is granted that scale invariance is a fundamental attribute of nature(necessitating "gauge fixing" as a basic stage in any picturing process) .
The alternative really is to assume a PREFERRED (i.e. "fixed") frame of reference, and make do with less detailed imagery.
You deserve my high score. Even forgetting that you dusted me up!
And please do refer a peer or two of yours to
What a Wavefunction is because one thing is to be read, another thing is to be read by people who can share one's problem definition.
All the best,
Chidi
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Michel Planat wrote on Jul. 23, 2013 @ 08:34 GMT
Dear Peter,
Your essay is attractive and I red it with much interest.
I have a very simple question to ask you.
Is there any difference between what you call the 'intelligent bit' (or IQbit) and what is nowadays called the qubit (the quantum bit)? In particular, there is much structure in it. The qubit has the 'excluded middle property' that you refer to, it cannot be cloned (your condition b), it can be understood from the Bloch/Riemann sphere (north and south poles are the 0 and 1). Spin and angular momentum of light can be described in the qubit language. With two qubits, new 'intelligent' properties arise such as entanglement, Bell inequalities and contextuality, and so on.
You may also be interested with my own description of qubits
http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1789
Good luck,
Michel
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 14:57 GMT
Michel,
There is almost infinitely greater IQ in the IGbit. The bit is a bit of 2D wave either UP or DOWN. Th Qbit may simply have a choice of those 2 vectors ('degrees of freedom').
The IQbit has (as described by the Born Rule) another entire dimension, so has the potential number of vectors of a (Bloch) sphere. But the angular momentum of light also uses the additional dimension, so as a helix not as a wave.
The qubit language may be usable, but with infintely many iterations in layers reducing to gamma as id decodes the noise in the Shannon Channel to facilitate passage of the additional information. These additional spaces are analogous to both Kalusa spaces and the evolving fractal structure of chaos theory.
The consistency of uncertainty in Bells inequalities experiments is improved as von Neuman wanted, at the same time as removing any need for FTL communication! I think this stunning new finding has been largely missed (well it stunned me a bit at first anyway!)
I have read your essay and thought it well written. I don't think matters like agreement with a thesis should influence scoring.
Best wishes
Peter
Michel Planat replied on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 06:46 GMT
Dear Peter,
I asked the question because you don't refer to a precise mathematical definition of the intelligent bit.
Apart from qubits (2-level systtem), one has the qudits (q-level) systems.
The paper below gives some results one can get by taking tensor products of qudits. But may be it is not relevant here.
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1009.3858
also
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1005.1997
which touches the Klein foundations for dessins d'enfants.
I agree that the discussion iq what matters here.
All the best,
Michel
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sridattadev kancharla wrote on Jul. 23, 2013 @ 12:07 GMT
Zoran Mijatovic wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 06:51 GMT
Hello Peter,
After your generous comments on my essay I tried very hard to get to grips with yours. I must say that much of it was beyond my technical abilities, nevertheless, you seem to take a serious approach to differentiating between what is real and what should and should not be considered axiomatic for the purposed of maintaining the integrity of formulations; and that is a big plus in any scientific field. I look forward to seeing how the professional judges rate your essay.
Regards and good luck.
Zoran.
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 10:03 GMT
Zoran,
Thanks. I'm sorry for all the complex empirical stuff, but I do believe in providing evidence to support theory. I agree integrity is everything.
I'll also be interested in the judges views, but after two years finishing 7th in the community scoring and overlooked by the judges I have little confidence in their willingness to depart from familiar doctrine. Some say they just support their peers. They do have other pressures but I don't think they give in to them that readily. We'll soon see I suppose.
Thanks for your comments and best wishes,
Peter
Conrad Dale Johnson wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 13:15 GMT
Hi Peter -
I admit I initially passed over your essay because the Abstract was so dense, and seemed way above my level... but since you indicated in your very kind comments on
my essay on evolution that our viewpoints were similar, I tried to overcome my sense of inadequacy and give it a shot.
So far as I can judge, what you say may well be right, but I don't feel I've understood any particular point really well. Even the argument about A=A confused me, though it didn't involve any technical issues. I suspect you may be exaggerating when you say "Aristotle = Aristotle" is false; I think what you meant is that there's no class of physical entities that are identical? And yet since that doesn't seem to apply to the case of atoms and molecules (which I suppose are identical except for location, which may be relevant?) - I wasn't able to follow the meaning of this for fundamental physics.
I'm glad to see your work is well appreciated by many here. If you were writing for people at my level, though, you'd need to choose one or two of your many points and elaborate them at greater length. It's a basic fault in my own writing that I try to explain each of my idiosyncratic notions by moving on to expound yet another one. This is probably a difficulty for any original thinker, that our ideas make sense to us because we've developed the context for them, in our own minds, though it's not a context available to many of our readers.
Thanks again - Conrad
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 15:56 GMT
Conrad,
"I suspect you may be exaggerating when you say "Aristotle = Aristotle" is false;"
No, in fact I'd go further! Even two pictures or representations of Aristotle will not be precisely identical in nature. It's a fundamentally new concept, but for correspondence there must be TWO things, so A=A is fine for maths but NOT true for nature, i.e. physically. The apparently subtle difference is as important as any truth in physics or logic!
"I think what you meant is that there's no class of physical entities that are identical?"
The fundamental new truth extends to 'classes' too. It resolves the issue in logic of 'what is a 'heap.'' Nature is non-commutative.
I'm sorry if I was too technical, I think all theory should correspond to findings. At least I tried to avoid all the jargon. I hope I largely succeeded. You may also not have noticed that QM and SR emerge unified?
I understand your problem. All nature is connected. I believe it's only disjointed in teaching and the professions.
Best wishes
Peter
Than Tin wrote on Jul. 24, 2013 @ 21:52 GMT
Hello Peter
Richard Feynman in his Nobel Acceptance Speech (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/19
65/feynman-lecture.html)
said: “It always seems odd to me that the fundamental laws of physics, when discovered, can appear in so many different forms that are not apparently identical at first, but with a little mathematical fiddling you can show the...
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Hello Peter
Richard Feynman in his Nobel Acceptance Speech (http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/19
65/feynman-lecture.html)
said: “It always seems odd to me that the fundamental laws of physics, when discovered, can appear in so many different forms that are not apparently identical at first, but with a little mathematical fiddling you can show the relationship. And example of this is the Schrodinger equation and the Heisenberg formulation of quantum mechanics. I don’t know why that is – it remains a mystery, but it was something I learned from experience. There is always another way to say the same thing that doesn’t look at all like the way you said it before. I don’t know what the reason for this is. I think it is somehow a representation of the simplicity of nature.”
I too believe in the simplicity of nature, and I am glad that Richard Feynman, a Nobel-winning famous physicist, also believe in the same thing I do, but I had come to my belief long before I knew about that particular statement.
The belief that “Nature is simple” is however being expressed differently in my essay “Analogical Engine” linked to http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1865 .
Specifically though, I said “Planck constant is the Mother of All Dualities” and I put it schematically as: wave-particle ~ quantum-classical ~ gene-protein ~ analogy- reasoning ~ linear-nonlinear ~ connected-notconnected ~ computable-notcomputable ~ mind-body ~ Bit-It ~ variation-selection ~ freedom-determinism … and so on.
Taken two at a time, it can be read as “what quantum is to classical” is similar to (~) “what wave is to particle.” You can choose any two from among the multitudes that can be found in our discourses.
I could have put Schrodinger wave ontology-Heisenberg particle ontology duality in the list had it comes to my mind!
Since “Nature is Analogical”, we are free to probe nature in so many different ways. And you have touched some corners of it.
Good luck!
Than Tin
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 16:32 GMT
Than,
I'm very grateful you think I have touched some corners of reality. you and others have too. If only we could combine them I think the whole shape of answer is here.
peter
Chenxi Guo wrote on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 09:05 GMT
Dear Peter
I go through your essay roughly. You have contributed a creative viewpoint for searching the realities. It deserved a high rating.
Best Wishes
Chenxi
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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 13:41 GMT
Hello Peter,
Just for clarification. I am taking advantage of this forum to ask this of professional physicists, of which I am not one!
Is it being implied by the relational view of space and as suggested by Mach's principle that what decides whether a centrifugal force would act between two bodies in *constant relation*, would not be the bodies themselves, since they are at fixed distance to each other, nor the space in which they are located since it is a nothing, but by a distant sub-atomic particle light-years away in one of the fixed stars in whose reference frame the *constantly related* bodies are in circular motion?
You can reply me here.
Best regards,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 16:29 GMT
Akinbo,
I think that's typical of just about every shortcoming in our understanding. It derives from using the wrong starting assumptions.
Ergo; Assuming space is 'a nothing' is entire nonsense with no evidence to support it and pretty overwhelming evidence against (see my last years essay).
If it leads to suggestions like the above it seems I can probably lay my case.
Yuri Danoyan wrote on Jul. 25, 2013 @ 19:15 GMT
Peter
"Studying physical entities afresh it becomes apparent, if surprising, that for
sizes at observable scales no two physical entities are identical"
Question:
Two events have occurred in the same place and at the same time how you can different it?
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 11:16 GMT
Yuri,
Excellent question. That's why I specified 'at observable scale'. However. There is other evidence:
Consider for instance stem cells. Absolutely identical as far as we can observe, and each divides to make more 'clones' of themselves.
But of course they can't! Each stem cell produces a different part of a physical entity, and a DIFFERENT physical entity each time as well!
I propose we then have a reducing 'octave' based but evolving 'fractal' sequence of 'sample spaces' or 'higher orders'. Al lie between the cardinalisations 0,1 of the 'next scale up'. Decoding these stage by stage will then reduce the 'noise' limiting (Shannon) communication channel capacity and massively multiply that capacity each time. And each time more of nature is revealed.
So there are many ways to 'observe', but it's the 'processors' that interpret the observations that have failed us so far. Does that sound sensible?
I have your essay on my list as I recall last years was very good. I apologise for being behind, but I'll now make it in time to score, and have just promoted it in the queue.
Good to hear from you, and very best wishes.
Peter
eAmazigh M. HANNOU wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 04:43 GMT
Dear Peter,
I'm sorry I have not had much time this past week.
Excellent essay, which is why I would like to ask you a little question:
In physics, or elsewhere, what you identify as 0 and 1, if you think that reality is based on information.
I gave you a note to the extent of your excellent essay.
And good luck.
Please visit
My essay.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 11:37 GMT
Amazigh,
Thank you. Frankly I think the Pagan mysticism of stringing symbols together and expecting them to adequately describe nature and the universe in any faithful way seems self delusionary and even arrogant to the extreme. I pointed that out for the most popular quantification system, Arabic 'numerals' (The Mayan system was more descriptive but destroyed as pagan by the conquistadors). But the point is as valid for the symbols we use to represent 'sounds', and the concepts they carry.
i.e. Any greater being with an understanding of the universe would learn what we assume by 'information' and 'reality' and just smile or laugh. That is why I took a mechanistic approach in my essay. What we 'call' what we observe means nothing, only what it DOES tells us of nature. So let's explore so we can better evolve our symbolism.
Thanks for your kind words. I was very pleased to read comment on and score your own essay (upwards) recently.
Best wishes
Peter
Helmut Hansen wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 05:36 GMT
Technically challenging and philosophically deep - very few papers meet both. This is one of them.
For me the most important statement of it is: "..in this vast excluded middle
ground lies most of nature." This thesis reflects the courage to apply principles of fuzzy-logic to deep physical problems. I hope this astonishing paper finds many many readers, especially among theoretical physicists: It is groundbreaking.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 11:55 GMT
Helmut,
Your words give me great strength, much needed in the task ahead. Thank you.
The DFM belongs to nature not me, so anyone with any skills can explore, adopt and and use any aspects they resonate with, though citations are always helpful. I suspect no one person will change doctrine, however close to Wheelers 'simplest of ideas' the realization is.
The model opens the floodgates of solutions, so covers range well beyond that of this essay and the last 3 here). A number of papers are here for anyone interested;
Discrete Field Model. Academia.edu Papers.Do also tell all your freinds! The last 2 essays both came 7th but were overlooked by the judges. A higher finish may help. Who knows?
Very best wishes.
Peter
Michel Planat wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 08:23 GMT
Dear Peter,
I now gave you a good rate but it has little influence since you have so many good votes. I just looked at the Wikipedia chapter about preintuitionism where I found some background about the law of excluded middle you refer to in your essay.
Good luck,
Michel
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Antoine Acke wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 15:40 GMT
Peter,
I enjoyed reading your essay. Excellent work. Congratulations.
Antoine.
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Wesley Wayne Hansen wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 15:42 GMT
Peter,
I found your essay somewhat unsettling (it actually induced a brief moment of manageable cognitive dissonance). I understand the basis of your argument and, for the most part, agree wholeheartedly; however, I lack a sufficient understanding to make an in-depth critique. What your essay has done is make me interested enough to peruse the link to your additional papers. My cognitive...
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Peter,
I found your essay somewhat unsettling (it actually induced a brief moment of manageable cognitive dissonance). I understand the basis of your argument and, for the most part, agree wholeheartedly; however, I lack a sufficient understanding to make an in-depth critique. What your essay has done is make me interested enough to peruse the link to your additional papers. My cognitive dissonance was generated by your dismissal of the EPR results but I understand and share your distaste for the ambiguities contained therein. So my question is this:
To my understanding, Bell's Inequalities established an either locality OR counterfactual definiteness but not locality AND counterfactual definiteness situation. Aspect's experiments, with their inherent but scientifically accepted ambiguity, tested locality and came down on the side of nonlocality; you question the veracity of this. But what about the 1994 experimental work detailed in the
paper by Paul Kwiat, Harald Weinfurter, Thomas Herzog, Anton Zeilinger, and Mark Kaasevich which specifically tested and supported counterfactual definiteness? This experiment was much more amenable to statistical analysis and these results TOGETHER with the Aspect results would suggest to me that nonlocality is very much a fact of existence.
Here's where my lack of knowledge comes into play. I'm interested in your Axioms, especially number one which suggests a novel model for elementary particles (Dirk Pons and his crew have developed an intersting model for elementary particles involving an axis which you may find interesting; they call it the
cordus conjecture. They've also authored a paper
Circumventing Bell's Theorem? Design of a Non-Local Hidden-Variable Model with Physical Substructures which you may find interesting). So I really need to do a little more reading . . .
With regards,
Wes Hansen
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 17:10 GMT
Wes,
Thanks, and for the Pons link. That's interesting as it takes the same approach, though simply 'postulates' a complex particle structure ('cordus conjecture') rather than derives one logically from experimental evidence and a coherent ontology. Most of my paper is about building that ontological construction. None the less I agreed Pon's logical analysis specific to Bell's theorem is excellent.
What I do is bring that together with all the Born Rule, Godel, von Neumann, Fuzzy Logic, 'chaos theory' aspects, including apparently Quantum Gauge Theory as I've just learned from Hugh Matlock and need to catch up with! For me it was only a falsification test of the greater 'discrete field model' (DFM) of previous essays and other papers. It kind of ran out of other things to resolve!
Let me know the best way you think there is to overcome the shock of cognitive dissonance as most of the world may have to face it soon! Could this be the start of the new era beyond the "shut up...".? I've dubbed it; "stop and think".
Do stay in touch on it.
Peter
Wesley Wayne Hansen replied on Jul. 29, 2013 @ 20:54 GMT
Peter,
Yes, the Pons Group admits they employ a "design approach" to come up with their cordus conjecture but their conjecture is fully constrained by the relevant empirical evidence; I thought you might find that it "nested" nicely within your own work. And being an inventor working almost entirely in the mechatronics field I can attest to the effectiveness of structured design techniques...
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Peter,
Yes, the Pons Group admits they employ a "design approach" to come up with their cordus conjecture but their conjecture is fully constrained by the relevant empirical evidence; I thought you might find that it "nested" nicely within your own work. And being an inventor working almost entirely in the mechatronics field I can attest to the effectiveness of structured design techniques . . . but I'm interested, do you have your own model for elementary particles? I read your other FQXi essays and I do believe we are on a "similar" trajectory (your 2011 essay was very informative and an enjoyable read) and I certainly appreciate your basis in empirical observation or data.
Anyway, cognitive dissonance AND resonance is a valuable subject for scientific research which I feel deserves more attention (working in the environmental field I'm certain you are well aware of this). There's a sweet spot one needs to find between thick boundaried and thin boundaried: too thick and one is unable to adapt and suffers constantly from cognitive dissonance; too thin and one is susceptible to mental disorders such as schizophrenia, delusions, etc. The counter-culture psychologist, Robert Anton Wilson, wrote a book complete with exercises at the end of each chapter which was designed to help a person rewrite their software, i.e. alter the thickness of their boundaries. The book was titled Prometheus Rising, which is very suggestive, and was based on the eight-circuit consciousness model of Timothy Leary et. al. which was based on their work with experimental LSD therapy. Interestingly enough, Leary et. al. wrote a quidebook for their LSD therapy sessions called The Psychedelic Experience which was basically an abridgement of the Tibetan Bardo Thodol.
The Bardo Thodol is a guidebook designed to help monks, nuns, and laypersons navigate the Bardo state. When one is navigating the Bardo state they are subjected to a myriad of illusions or realistic hallucinations; some of these are designed to inspire revulsion or fear, hence, cognitive dissonance, and others desire, hence, cognitive resonance. The key to successfully navigating the Bardo state is to sit unmoved by both cognitive dissonance and cognitive resonance. The degree to which a monk or nun is able to do this determines the degree of their enlightenment; the degree to which a layperson is able to do this determines the nature of their re-incarnation; of course these are related.
Now I've experimented with just about every psycho-active substance out there, from LSD and other plant/fungus based hallucinogens to the Shulgin's little psychedelic creations; I've been practicing meditation, hatha yoga, mantra yoga, and pranayama for a good long time; I've maintained a somewhat strict diet, been celibate, substance free, and practiced flesh suspension and cutting since 1999; I don't have many difficulties with cognitive dissonance, I simply use it as a descriptive term, Ha, Ha, Ha . . . But the point I would make is that Western scientists could learn a thing or two about cognitive dissonance and cognitive resonance from the Himalayan masters. The psychedelic experience has similarities to but is also inferior to the meditative experience - just my opinion! The psychedelic experience can so often be neurotic and the missing key ingredient is spiritual discipline, which is to say, mental fortitude. It's no accident that the psychedelic experience occasionally leads to mental disorder as well . . . The problem, of course, is that people, westerners in particular, are so damn lazy when it comes to the spiritual. That's why contemporary religion is so popular, it's fast, convenient, and easy to digest, unfortunately it has very little nutritional value. But I ramble . . .
I feel your essay deserves a high rating and I hope that it places at least amongst the top four . . .
With regards,
Wes Hansen
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Michel Planat wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 15:43 GMT
Dear Peter,
Thank you for helping me to float. Apart from several unfair votes this game is quite democratic at the level of exchanging deep thoughts and knowledge.
I still don't know what can ultimely be reached with this Grothendieck's dessins d'enfants. I try to extract them from the treasure trove of mathematics in the context of quantum paradoxes but I also had interesting feedbacks with a few philosophically oriented FQXi competitors, and you can find the tracks of these discussion above. The secret is in the understanding of the so-called Belyi theorem. I would have to tell more on this and display many examples to convey the beauty of the concept that has fascinated Grothendieck in his
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esquisse_d'un_Programme
Peter
, I wish you not be overlooked this time.
Michel
ps: I realize that we are both born in 1951.
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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 17:17 GMT
A quick comment before detailed remarks about the essay..
I've over the years given a fair amount of thought to ideas related to your 'intelligent bit' and even discussed the subject with Gerard 't Hooft at FFP10. It occurs to me that what you may be envisioning is actually what I would call an octonionic bit, which by its very nature would allow the development of procedurally evolutive forms. Just a thought. I can elaborate later.
If you haven't already; you might want to check out the essay of Michael Goodband, or compare notes with him. I asked him a related question of Michael, as I'd discussed with 't Hooft, and the end of his reply was "In a pure geometric theory with only the structure of the fabric of space, a question like, "what does the computing (over the numbers of particles)?" can only have the fundamental answer, the fabric of space - which is synonymous with the laws of physics."
Since my questions to Michael were directed at answering some of the issues raised in your essay, in terms of how his work deals with them (and it relates to the possibility raised above), it might be worth a look or a second look.
Regards,
Jonathan
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Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 17:20 GMT
Yuri Danoyan wrote on Jul. 26, 2013 @ 18:34 GMT
Dear Peter
Reminding interesting quote
The average human being is a naive realist: i.e., like the animals, he accepts his sense impressions as direct information of reality and he is convinced that all human beings share this information. He is not aware that no way exist of establishing whether one individual impression (e.g. ,of a green tree) and that of another (of this tree) is the same and that even the word same has no meaning here.
Max Born My life & my views p.53
Every question like "What is the same information?" is tautology
Warren Mcculoch call it greatest riidle of the World.
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Georgina Woodward wrote on Jul. 27, 2013 @ 01:19 GMT
Hi Peter,
here to let you know I have read your essay. It was not such a hard task as I had imagined from reading your abstract. I think much more accessible than your previous two.
Interesting stuff about the excluded middle. Even with a coin toss the outcome could be seen as more than the outcome of a binary choice. There is for example the direction (N,S,W,E) in which the queen's (or other's) head points or orientation of the image on the tails side ,i.e. where (N,S,W,E) the lion faces for a UK 10p coin. There is also where in space the coin lands. Also the possibility that the coin lands on its edge suspended between heads and tails, such as if it falls into a small crack. I have seen something similar with a die which came to rest balanced on one edge. Whether it is practical to extract the additional information and make use of it is another question. Though I don't see why not in principle.I have recently read about greatly enhanced information storage in crystals, going beyond binary digital information by using different polarizations -and- the 3 dimensions of space ( if I remember correctly).
Also an interesting point about the important differences between every real macroscopic object not shared by identical mathematical entities that represent them. Joe Fisher makes the same point in his essay BITTERS talking of the uniqueness of every real thing unlike information.
Wishing you Good luck again this year, Georgina
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Yuri Danoyan wrote on Jul. 27, 2013 @ 04:33 GMT
Some time need remember Quotation by Ludwig Wittgenstein
"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 28, 2013 @ 20:55 GMT
Yuri,
My favourite alongside Popper.
I agree; There's far too much noise in physics!
Israel Perez wrote on Jul. 27, 2013 @ 09:29 GMT
Dear Peter
I'm sorry I couldn't read your essay before, I have a lot of work here with my research and it's difficult to keep up with the reading of the essays. I'm trying to do my best.
With respect to your essay I find it very interesting but I must confess that I still don't get why you use the adjective "intelligent". In what sense do you mean the qubit is intelligent? I would be glad if you could comment on this.
I also realized that you went on to discuss the problem of entanglement and the EPR paradox. I think this is a thorny topic that requires a deep understanding of the foundations of QM and I admire your braveness for addressing it straightforwardly. I think that you did a great analysis and I congratulate you. Unfortunately, I don't consider myself a specialist on this topic although I understand the main ideas. I also support locality and I believe that this kind of experiments have a more mundane explanation. I have to tell you that I dislike the spooky action at a distance but some people have found it quite natural and useful, not only in QM but in other fields.
I haven't hear before about the toroidal wavefunctions could you recommend a reference where I can see their mathematical definition.
I would recommend that you take a look at the essay of Alan Kadin who has been working for many years in the foundations of QM. He is developing a more intuitive approach to deal with entanglement. You can find some other experts in this forum too, such as George Ellis and Mauro D'Ariano. I think it'd be worth asking for their opinions.
I can see you have a great score and a great audience, thanks for drawing my attention to your essay, I can see why this is so. Good luck in the contest!
Best Regards
Israel
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 28, 2013 @ 20:49 GMT
Israel,
The word 'intelligent' is merely a comparison between the information capacity of a simple 'wave' with one binary degree of freedom; (0,1, or up/down), with the almost infinite degrees of freedom or a helix, representative of a Bloch sphere.
We can only ask the Bit one question and get a 'yes/no' answer. But the IQbit has almost infinite answers by comparison. This is why the...
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Israel,
The word 'intelligent' is merely a comparison between the information capacity of a simple 'wave' with one binary degree of freedom; (0,1, or up/down), with the almost infinite degrees of freedom or a helix, representative of a Bloch sphere.
We can only ask the Bit one question and get a 'yes/no' answer. But the IQbit has almost infinite answers by comparison. This is why the helix is now considered so important for ultra broad(/3D)-band information channelling and quantum computing.
More importantly it is however analogous all the information we don't yet know about nature, which needs to be decoded from the higher order 'spaces' we currently see only as 'noise'. The Godel n-value distribution of 'infinite sub-sets'.
There is no formulation for 'toroidal wavefunctions' (that I know of) just the physical form of the helix geometrically + time, but the toroid is ubiquitous. i.e.
Toroidal Structures in Nuclii.It's also just a 'stage' between a rotating dipole moving on it's axis and the (DNA!) double helix described.
Yes, I've discussed with Alan and Mauro, and others who understand the subtleties of the Bell inequalities. I've been shocked how few do! The clincher wasn't just resolving it without spookyness and FTL, but finding the orbital asymmetry predicted 'hidden'in Aspects data, discarded as it couldn't be explained!
Unfortunately the Bell inequality is now so deeply entrenched in doctrine it's achieved religious status and few can accept any apparent challenge! I hope it may be noticed by the judges this year (unlike the previous two 7th place finishes). Thanks for your support. I note I also hadn't rated yours which I think worth the maximum and a higher place.
Finally, I've provisionally identified at least 10 higher order spaces down to wavelength gamma, where I derive (elsewhere) the LT phyically. Can you see any possible 'hidden likenesses' with Theoroe Kaluza's conceptions?
Peter
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Israel Perez replied on Jul. 29, 2013 @ 00:09 GMT
HI Peter
You: The word 'intelligent' ... .... a Bloch sphere. Ok, I got it. Thanks for the reference, I'll take a look at it.
You: Yes, I've discussed with Alan and Mauro..., ... how few do!
Yeah, not an easy topic for everyone.
You: Unfortunately the Bell inequality is now so deeply entrenched in doctrine it's achieved religious status and few can accept any apparent challenge! I hope it may be noticed by the judges this year...
Unfortunately, you're right, it's sort of a dogma. But with strong arguments and a new formulation things may change. We should persevere.
With respect to your last question, the answer is no. I don't see the direct connection, sorry I can't help with this.
Finally, I can see that you are already in the precious list, hopefully you could make to the end. Good luck!
Regards
Israel
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David M Reid wrote on Jul. 28, 2013 @ 06:53 GMT
Overall, the main idea of your essay is good. There are a few minor mathematical points which could be cleaned up a little for a purist, but the necessary changes would not alter the points you were trying to get across, so I hope you don't mind my pointing four of them out.
[1] You state that A=A is false when interpreting = as identity because, you state, no two things are identical....
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Overall, the main idea of your essay is good. There are a few minor mathematical points which could be cleaned up a little for a purist, but the necessary changes would not alter the points you were trying to get across, so I hope you don't mind my pointing four of them out.
[1] You state that A=A is false when interpreting = as identity because, you state, no two things are identical. But in mathematics, the first and second A are not two different things. To envision this, imagine a circular arrow where the beginning and end of the arrow are the same point A.
What you want to attack, perhaps, is the statement that it is possible that A=B where A and B are not identical.
[2] You mention phi squared as probability. Strictly, you mean the square of the absolute value of phi.
[3] You state that "In an infinite universe all probabilities are non-zero." Probabilities deal with statements, and the probability of a contradiction remains zero. What you want to say, I believe, is that the probabilities of all statements which are consistent with the rest of your system are non-zero. Or, to cite one of your references, "Everything That Can Happen Does Happen". Not everything can happen.
[4] You state that "Russel's [sic] Predicate Logic and calculus tried to derive mathematics direct from logic but ended with paradox. No logical or mathematical system claims to have overcome paradox." From the context I deduce that your use of "paradox" here refers to logical paradox (e.g., Russell's paradox). Many systems are free of paradox. The easiest ones to show are complete finite systems, but there exist also infinite ones. Not all systems meet the requirements of Gödel's Second Incompleteness Theorem. In a stricter statement, you would want to refer to specific systems.
A good companion piece to your essay, sharing some of the same essential points, is David Deutsch's "It from Qubit" (pp 90-102 of "Science and Ultimate Reality", ed. Barrow, Davies, & Harper, 2004)
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 28, 2013 @ 19:38 GMT
David,
Don't mind at all, very pleased for the suggestions. I understand and agree with them all, except, to cite Godel..(!)...;
[1] Thank you for A=B, which needs adding, but I don't claim A=A is false for mathematics. I'm thinking more of assumed commutivity, so saying that A=A mathematically is not the same as saying A=A in nature, which is false (a vector is a derivative not a physical entity) I think that's a very important hidden point. Do you agree it's valid?
[2] Yes. I'm referring to both the additional dimension per se and it's probable connection to Born's Rule.
[3] Agreed. But the 'probabilities' I'm really referring to are the 'ocurrance' quantifications in the Bayesian distribution. I discuss truth function and quantum dynamic logic in last years paper, finding the overall hierarchical structure of my underlying physical 'discrete field' model (DFM) emerges. I wonder haw we decide what 'can' and 'cannot' happen?!
[4] I refer to the well known statement "All logical systems are ultimately beset by paradox", so I think the fundamental 'systems' I refer are not in the ('subset'?) systems you refer to, correctly, as logical finite 'systems' within themselves. i.e. a common semantic matter of underspecification.
Thanks for the Deutsch link, I'll check it out. I've now read your excellent and fun essay, also helpful, and will also catch up with model theory.
Peter
David M Reid replied on Jul. 29, 2013 @ 16:29 GMT
Hi, Peter,
Thanks for your responses; I enjoy a good discussion, and have responded to your comments to my essay in the corresponding place.
Could you explain which citation you mean? Gödel was a prolific writer.
Of course, these are, as I said, only small points that would only occur to a purist.
[1] First, I wholly agree with your general idea about equality, which I would break up into two parts: (a) that people use "equal" extremely loosely when they mean "equivalent to", and (b) people sloppily use "equal to" between syntactical statements and their semantic fulfilments. However, since the language of physics is mathematics, perhaps a different formulation would better satisfy those who are sticklers in matters of formalism. . (I also understand what you want to say with your example of "a vector is a derivative", as they can both be used to represent change, but you will have to explain to mathematicians in your readership that you are taking a bit of poetic liberty.)
[3] It sounds as if a formalization of your ideas would be handled in modal logic, possibly with Kripke frames.
[4] I'm afraid I don't know this quote. Although it sounds nice, you might want to make explicit the exclusion which you wrote were implicit. Basically, you are referring to systems which contain enough arithmetic that can be used as a coding mechanism to be able to produce undecidable sentences. However, first-order theories of: Boolean algebras, and of hyperbolic or Euclidean geometries, among others, are decidable, and are obviously useful in describing nature. I guess "many systems are plagued by paradox" doesn't pack the same literary punch, whence the quote you cited.
I am sure that your readers are not bothered by such small formal points, but will concentrate on the main ideas, and enjoy.
David
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 16:53 GMT
Conversation continued on David's blog, finishing with these comments;
Aug 2nd;
Hi, again, Peter, I had a bit more time than anticipated today, and so was able to read your two papers that you sent me the links to. Superb! Too bad I cannot time-travel back to those years to give you tens.
My surmise (made before reading the papers) that your differentiation in speeds followed...
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Conversation continued on David's blog, finishing with these comments;
Aug 2nd;
Hi, again, Peter, I had a bit more time than anticipated today, and so was able to read your two papers that you sent me the links to. Superb! Too bad I cannot time-travel back to those years to give you tens.
My surmise (made before reading the papers) that your differentiation in speeds followed the same basis as the different between t and tau, turned out to be correct, it seems. One confusion is that there is no corresponding notation to make this differentiation for light speed. Of course, every secondary school physics curriculum in the world contains Snell's Law, so there is some idea about the difference in the speed of light in a vacuum as opposed to the speed of light in a physical medium. However, the key lies in the article "a" rather than "the" in front of the word "vacuum", and although there are many vacuums, we use the same symbol c for all of them. As you point out, epsilon_0 (the value of electric permittivity) and mu_0 (the value of magnetic permittivity) of vacuum could indeed vary in different places (which can be seen in considering false vacuums). Despite this, c is considered a global property despite the lack of a global measuring tool, as all measuring tools are perforce local.
My exposition is a bit clumsy in such a short space. Of course I do not pretend to express this as well as your articles do; I just wished to say that your papers put forward your arguments very well. Thank you for sharing them with me.
David
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Aug 5th;
David,
Many thanks. It's very gratifying that there really are people out there who can understand and retain what I'm saying and what the discrete field model (DFM) is! A credit to your intellect I should say!
I've found the implications fundamental and massive. Certainly time for a new paradigm, except I think we've missed the boat as they're out of production. Do you think we could cobble one together by sprinkling a bit more mathematics on top of the papers to make them look more appetising?
I hope we can stay in touch on this.
Best wishes
Peter
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Michel Planat wrote on Jul. 29, 2013 @ 12:24 GMT
Dear Peter,
I copy a comment to Hughes Matlock. Have a look if it fits some of your findings. Thanks.
Michel
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I am quite sensitive to your (software) picture of the cosmos for the following reasons
1) First but not least, I understand it. I already met (not physically except for Carlos Castro and Laurent Noittale) most of authors you refer to.
2) Your model is relevant, interesting, of wide range and influencial.
3) The S3 sphere has several clothes (i) the conformally compactified Minkowski space, as you mention,
(ii) the single qubit (Peter Jackson call it the intelligent qubit!)
as described in quant-ph/0310053, R. Mosseri, "Two and Three Qubits Geometry and Hopf Fibrations"
with the Hopf fibration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hopf_fibration
(iv) Dirac Monopole
, just to cite a few.
The Hopf fibration of S3 by great circles S1 and base space S2 is that interests me here.
This is because, in my essay, one important object is S2 (that can be seen as the Bloch sphere, the
Riemann sphere or complex projective line CP1, you can see http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/1005.1997).
Many Dessins d'enfants (those of genus 0) arise from S2 (say) with three singular points 0,1 and infty.
The idea would be to lift them to S3, through the inverse Hopf map, endowed with three rigidified circles corresponding
to aforementioned singular points. I wonder is such a picture was ever imagined.
This would be an instance of your implicate to explicate projection, I suspect.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 30, 2013 @ 14:33 GMT
Michel,
Thank you. Yes, I've read and commented on Hugh's essay as we have great commonality. I've picked up his links to Recursive Quantum Gauge Theory. unfortunately he seems not to be responding, so his essay will certainly end up far lower down than it should, which is a shame.
I don't know if he's read mine. How do we check with so many posts? (I see I have 100 more than you!) We need a local search facility.
Peter
KoGuan Leo wrote on Jul. 30, 2013 @ 05:01 GMT
Dear Peter,
I like you idea of IQbit that is similar to KQID Ancestor FAPAMA Qbit as Planck's matrix of all matter and Maxwell's infinite being with unlimited storage capacity so that this being does not need to erase any information and we as human being as information is therefore immortal. I explained more in my thread. I am not so sure what comment to make except that your essay has very sophisticated argument and serious work of a lifetime. I admire your dedication to science and truth. I will rate it accordingly.
Congratulation for your high rated essay by your peers and admirers.
Best wishes,
Leo KoGuan
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Jul. 30, 2013 @ 12:04 GMT
Leo,
Thank you. I'm greatly honoured by your views. But my essay is but a glimpse of an improved foundation to build from. I hope it helps your and others work.
In my essay two years ago I estimated it would take 10 years, so 2020 for science to gain the vision as we're now so swamped by information and dogma, but I've seen more green shoots this year. Who can know?
Bless you.
Peter
Anonymous wrote on Jul. 30, 2013 @ 12:36 GMT
Hello Peter
Having read quite a few of people's posts on this page, I am starting to see why you left such a positive review on my own page. We do seem to have a similar perspective of the world in many areas. That said, I haven't read your essay yet, and will do so.
I noticed the robust discussion regarding no two physical objects being identical. My GPE has been accused of being the Principle of Identity of Indiscernibles in disguise, so I spent some time considering this. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (SEP) has a great page on this. Forrest finds that the PII is ‘unproblematic for medium-sized objects’ because they can always be distinguished by physical difference, if ever so slight. But, he comments, fundamental principles are widely held to be necessarily true: uncontingent.
The matter is complicated by quantum mechanics (French 2000 - SEP), in that we find ‘fundamental particles of physics cannot be regarded as individual objects.' I think that the GPE clears this up from a rationalist standpoint, by globalizing the argument, and wonder if you agree.
The bother is, as you mentioned earlier, people are so convinced that the way they see the world is a proper rendition of the underlying reality. Kant wrote a book about it, and both he and Popper used it to show that we are all limited in our world models by it. And it ain't so, at least not for the endpoint rationalist.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 2, 2013 @ 11:57 GMT
Hi Stephen,
(At least I think it's Stephen as there's no name!)
I think Basudeba understood my popint in the end (on his blog) but agree I need to explore the PII a bit more along with Lebniz Law. There's more precedent than I thought for my proposal.
I also agree the GPE certainly seems to offer good rationalisation for the anti QM view. There are also others, Walter Smilga discussing the 'rich structure', though I'm concerned at the apparent meaning of his conclusions that there's nothing beyond binary systems!
I look forward to your comments (and points) when you've actually read my essay.
Peter
William Amos Carine wrote on Jul. 30, 2013 @ 21:52 GMT
Peter,
This essay was formed very well and flowed with the use of experimental evidence much like an on-going thought experiment. I look forward to reading papers that have been linked or suggested.
Sincerely,
Amos.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 2, 2013 @ 13:45 GMT
Thanks William,
I like the; 'on-going thought experiment' as I propose we should leave the era of;
"SHUT UP AND CALCULATE" ..and enter a new one of;
"SLOW DOWN AND THINK"
So we can better develop the skills of the best quantum computer we'll ever get.
As I've said to Walter Smilga, For all the sense of Bohr's reamark about 'what we can say' he's deflected us from the whole point that;
If we can find out and understand more we can then 'say' more!
So QM is now a cop-out, assuming particles can have no characteristics. No wonder we're in a mess. Now it's up to YOUR generation!
Best of luck
Peter
Cristinel Stoica wrote on Jul. 31, 2013 @ 12:53 GMT
Dear Peter,
Congratulations for your essay and the high rate in this contest. Although many physicists claim these days that there is nothing more to be understood about the foundations of QM, in addition to the operational description, many are still trying to understand more (myself included, although I am skeptical to the possibility or even the need of explaining EPR with local hidden variables). I am impressed to see to what level you bring your quest of better understanding the quantum world. We may have different views on some points, but let me emphasize some common points. We both consider waves to be fundamental to this problem, and that there is more information in a qubit than the usual bit obtained as a result of a quantum measurement (although it seems to be impossible to access). And it seems to me that we both consider that QM and GR may be compatible without big compromise, despite the prevalent views these days.
Best wishes,
Cristi Stoica
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 2, 2013 @ 14:16 GMT
Christi,
It depends what we call 'big' I suppose; Everything's relative after all!
I showed how unification is done in my last two essays. '2020 Vision' was coined not just because we can't yet 'see' that simple answer right before e-[our eyes (literally) , but because I estimated it would be 2020 before enough could do so. I have a bet for a pretty expensive meal riding on it not being earlier! I do like win-win scenario's!
Thank you, and good luck in the run in. I've been advised that the peer scoring will be ignored by the judges again anyway. Perhaps that should be expected. They have other pressures, we're all human, subjective and fallible, and the rules is the rules after all. I have faith.
Best wishes
Peter
Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 3, 2013 @ 23:14 GMT
Many thanks guys,
My replies have been lost in cyberspace with many other posts. Brendan thinks he can magic them up again, he must be a very good physicist. If they don't show up I'll revert.
P
William C. McHarris wrote on Jul. 31, 2013 @ 20:10 GMT
Dear Peter,
Finally, I got around to being able to peruse your essay — and it's remarkable! I thoroughly enjoyed it, although I must admit its density posed quite a challenge, so I had to take a lot of things on faith. The idea of information existing in the so-called "excluded middle," and accessible via fuzzy logic is quite novel and worth pursuing further. I hope that you plan to expand the necessarily-limited space of the essay into a much larger opus.
I also located and read your essay, "Subjugation of Scepticism in Science," with Dr. Moszkowski in Academia.edu, and I agree with your premises there.
Thank you also for your dialog with Mauro in the threads under my essay on Nature and Nonlinear Logic. I just wrote a response, which I think you'll appreciate.
Congratulations on your highly-rated essay, and may you have continued success as a welcome, fresh voice in the now somewhat stodgy arena of physics.
Bill McHarris
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 17:15 GMT
Bill,
Thanks. I think yours is remarkable too, in fact I'm stunned how many physicists seem quite 'scared' of chaos theory. I think it's fear of the unknown. (Why on earth they're in physics then god only knows, if he exists!).
Did I mention your overlapping discs which bled into each other from one of your papers I perused? That is precisely what I derive from disqualifying points and lines from nature, where the fine grain 'grading' appears between the integers. I have a draft paper in which I intend to include it, I assume I can also refer to yours, was there another original source? The only missing element in that area of mine is relevant mathematics. I now know what Einstein meant when he wrote about mathematics only focussed doing it's own thing and not what's needed. I hope you may be able to help or collaborate to make inroads.
Peter
Hugh Matlock wrote on Aug. 1, 2013 @ 05:01 GMT
Hi Peter,
An great essay, with a lot of great questions and an idea that might answer them. You wrote:
> It's been assumed that simple 0,1 spin states are all a photon has to offer. But what if they have more to give?
You might enjoy Tony Smith's description of "conformal graviphotons".
> Essential to mathematics and metaphysics A = A is proposed as not applicable...
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Hi Peter,
An great essay, with a lot of great questions and an idea that might answer them. You wrote:
> It's been assumed that simple 0,1 spin states are all a photon has to offer. But what if they have more to give?
You might enjoy Tony Smith's
description of "conformal graviphotons".
> Essential to mathematics and metaphysics A = A is proposed as not applicable to natural physical entities and interactions.
You might check out Stéphane Lupasco's Logic of the Included Middle. His work has recently been described by Joseph Brenner (who has a great essay in this contest) in a paper called The Philosophical Logic of Stéphane Lupasco (1900-1988).
John Baez
mentions that the law of excluded middle need not hold in some topoi.
> This natural place now emerges. Mathematics freed of paradox needs only refinement and layering in sub-sets to approximate nature with increasing precision.
A computational model for the cosmos can rely on finite means and the logic of
Primitive recursive arithmetic, which is provably consistent in Peano arithmetic.
> Independent parametrization and mathematics must also be hierarchically layered as subsets in 3D+T space, then access limitations between layers identified.
In my essay on the
Software Cosmos I describe a computational model for the universe. Complex software is usually layered, with just such "access limitations". Interestingly enough, it is the higher layers that have no idea how the lower layers do what they do.
> Whether from single particle spin, sphere surfaces or carrier beams, the 'change' implicit in orbital motions power the IQbit.
I am curious whether you have encountered Dannel Roberts and his
Particle Mechanics, and if so, what you think.
> The physical 'cause' of this inequality of correlations is then moved from some metaphysical statistical 'space' between A and B to the real physical interactions at each detector.
Bravo!
Hugh
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Than Tin wrote on Aug. 1, 2013 @ 06:22 GMT
Dear All
A standard-issue big city all-glass high-rise stands across the street from my usual bus stop. When I look up the high-rise facade, I can see the reflections of the near-by buildings and the white clouds from the sky above. Even when everything else looks pretty much the same, the reflections of the clouds are different, hour to hour and day to day.
After I boarded the bus,...
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Dear All
A standard-issue big city all-glass high-rise stands across the street from my usual bus stop. When I look up the high-rise facade, I can see the reflections of the near-by buildings and the white clouds from the sky above. Even when everything else looks pretty much the same, the reflections of the clouds are different, hour to hour and day to day.
After I boarded the bus, I rushed to get a single seat facing four others on a slightly elevated platorm. From my vantage point, I can’t help noticing the shoes of the four passengers across from my seat are not the same, by either the make , the design, or the style, and that is true even when the four passengers happen to be members of the same family.
I could change the objects of my fascination from shoes to something else, to buttons on the dresses for example, but I do not think the result would have been any different. Diversity or Uniqueness would still rule the day! (There is a delightful essay on the subject of uniqueness by Joe Fisher in this contest.)
I am pretty sure people are fascinated by the diversity and the uniqueness in the world, when the other side of it is the inevitable boredom of sameness every time.
However, we have a need to know where all this beautiful and enchanting diversity comes from. Borrowing Wheelerian phraseology of “How come the quantum?”, I ask “How come the diversity?” A standard physics answer is “Entropy always increases.” (I am not a physicist, and I don’t know if that is the final answer.)
Whenever I’m out of my depth, I go back to my theory of everything (TOE), which is a mental brew of common sense, intuition, gut, analogy, judgement, etc. etc. , buttressed when I can with a little thought-experiment.
The thought-experiment is simple. Imagine cutting a circle into two precisely, identical, and equal parts. Practically, there is no way we can get the desired result, because one part will be bigger or smaller in some way.
Physics – especially quantum physics – says it don’t matter, do the superposition!
But superposition is fictive, an invention like the Macarena dance, and it has given us a cat, alive and dead at the same time.
I have heard that angels can dance on the tip of the needle, and now I’m finding out some of us can too!
Cheers and Good Luck to All,
Than Tin
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Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 18:50 GMT
Than,
Excellent, yes. And the angels have dresses sewn by needles on which we can also dance with the angels with their white dresses...
I note I did't rate your essay with my first comment so have done so now. I still love your perceptive comments imagining QM without weirdness, and "Any slice through nature gives "answers that differ with the scales we probe and the premises we adopted. But Nature itself is quite agnostic and mum and plays no favorites"."
The screen tells me I'm logged in, but I suspect, like much of current physics, it is there only to fool, confound and confuse.
Best wishes
Peter
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Hugh Matlock wrote on Aug. 3, 2013 @ 09:04 GMT
Hi Peter,
(It seems that most (perhaps all) of the comments on July 31 and Aug 1 were erased... and perhaps the voting reset as well. Seems like FQXi might have reset the database for some reason. I am just surprised there is no announcement or explanation. Anyway, I will re-post my comment now. )
A great essay, with a lot of great questions and an idea that might answer them. You...
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Hi Peter,
(It seems that most (perhaps all) of the comments on July 31 and Aug 1 were erased... and perhaps the voting reset as well. Seems like FQXi might have reset the database for some reason. I am just surprised there is no announcement or explanation. Anyway, I will re-post my comment now. )
A great essay, with a lot of great questions and an idea that might answer them. You wrote:
> It's been assumed that simple 0,1 spin states are all a photon has to
offer. But what if they have more to give?
You might enjoy Tony Smith's
description of "conformal graviphotons".
> Essential to mathematics and metaphysics A = A is proposed as not applicable to natural physical entities and interactions.
You might check out Stéphane Lupasco's Logic of the Included Middle. His work has recently been described by Joseph Brenner (who has a great essay in this contest) in a paper called The Philosophical Logic of Stéphane Lupasco (1900-1988).
John Baez
mentions that the law of excluded middle need not hold in some topoi.
> This natural place now emerges. Mathematics freed of paradox needs only refinement and layering in sub-sets to approximate nature with increasing precision.
A computational model for the cosmos can rely on finite means and the logic of
Primitive recursive arithmetic, which is provably consistent in Peano arithmetic.
> Independent parametrization and mathematics must also be hierarchically layered as subsets in 3D+T space, then access limitations between layers identified.
In my essay on the
Software Cosmos I describe a computational model for the universe. Complex software is usually layered, with just such "access limitations". Interestingly enough, it is the higher layers that have no idea how the lower layers do what they do.
> Whether from single particle spin, sphere surfaces or carrier beams, the 'change' implicit in orbital motions power the IQbit.
I am curious whether you have encountered Dannel Roberts and his
Particle Mechanics, and if so, what you think.
> The physical 'cause' of this inequality of correlations is then moved from some metaphysical statistical 'space' between A and B to the real physical interactions at each detector.
Bravo!
Hugh
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Jeffrey Michael Schmitz wrote on Aug. 3, 2013 @ 20:59 GMT
Peter,
The Ptolemaic model used gears, the height of technology at that time, to show the motion of the planets, the most complex thing known at the time. Currently we use the bits of digital electronics, the height current technology, to understand particle Physics, the most complex thing we currently know. That parallel makes me concerned about the relationship of “bits” to physics.
I must confess that I reread “the intelligent bit” a number of times and it still buzzes over my head. If I get this right: an intelligent bit occupies the same Hilbert space as Quantum Mechanics, but is a binary value of 0 or 1. What we see of this bit is a projection in real space, which is no longer a pure 0 or 1, but a state from 0 to 1 that favors the ends (near 1 and 0) more than the middle. The law of Malus, used in polarization, was used by Feynman to help explain Quantum Mechanics and is used here to explain this principle.
The universe might be composed of “intelligent bits”, I have no way to prove or disprove this point. Strangely, I am not really concerned with what composes the universe, but what I can use to explain the universe. Matching boundary conditions then solving a differential equation to get a wavefunction is something I understand. I don’t know how to solve an “infinite square well” problem with discontinuous bits.
Jeff
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 3, 2013 @ 23:10 GMT
Jeffrey,
The whole point is that it is NOT discontinuous in any way. In fact the moment you mention Hilbert space you were probably in the wrong universe. I did not invoke Hilbert space, and it is NOT a value of 0 or 1.
Let's look at it from the 'other end'. Can you get quantised 0's and 1's if working your way along an Archimedes screw? Or from a spinning torus? With a helix it has to be 'dumbed Down' to project the orbital path on the a 2D surface, then look at the wave and ask of each bit are you going up, or down' - only then have we simplified, so 'digitised' the complex 'Bloch sphere' degrees of freedom enough to get 'yes'/'no' answers. That is what QM does.
The point is not what the universe may or not be made of, NOTHING can be proved, it is that QM is an inadequate interpretation of nature, and the EPR paradox can be resolved without FTL, so Unifying physics by deriving SR from a quantum mechanism with a recursively reducing uncertainty. The wavefunction collapse is resolved by the surface scattering implicit in the model. If you look at the foundations in the last two essays you may get a fuller picture.
The solution is geometrical, so a precise description of uncertain nature, not cardinalised, so precise in itself but only a good approximation of nature.
In other words, I think you have missed the important implications of the solution. The preconceptions we all have always add difficulty. Did the further description help?
Peter
Jeffrey Michael Schmitz replied on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 14:27 GMT
Peter,
Your description helped because you told me I had it all wrong, which is a start toward understanding.
Is the bit just for matter waves?
I see "bit" and I think 0 or 1 do you mean the infinite set of numbers between 0 and 1?
Thank you for your help,
Jeff
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 15:35 GMT
Jeff,
Certainly not all at all but a basic assumption about the bit you asked about. But now you're now closer. It's not quite; "The infinite set of numbers between 0 and 1" as it removes all infinities, but the "set between 0 and 1" and then the subset between each 0 and 1 in that set. This gives recursive quantum gauge theory.
The best way to visualise it geometrically may be a Block sphere. Take 2 opposing vectors, up and down. We can then have a subset of vectors on one plane between them, we can then have higher order subsets of orthogonal planes on each of those subset planes. i.e. the 'degrees of freedom' are almost infinite in a hierarchical gauge system, because in dealing with nature we are dealing with ever changing 'curves' not steps, right down to gamma.
Maths can only do things in precise steps (quantisations). Nature is not so obliging! Thus 'quantum uncertainty'. As you said; "Mathematical systems like kinematics imperfectly intersect with the physical universe." I propose a solution that the mathematics need needs to be 'layered' to reduce uncertainty.
In this way we can, stage by stage, decode all the background 'noise' in Shannon's channels. This is what is now being researched in quantum computing but it seems it's effects are far more fundamental. One thing that needs doing to tie up loose ends is rationalising this model mathematically with Huygens Construction and 3D potentials, which seems to evolve the NLS equation. Can you see how that may be possible?
Both SR and QM end up more consistent (no spookyness, or FTL, and von Neumann's more consistent QM is allowed. The McHarris essay shows chaos theory is also closely analogous.
My precurser essays would help with the axioms of the model. It does need your view of 'intelligence' to visualise the hierarchical relative kinetics, not just "high rate data processing" I agree.
Best wishes
peter
Chris Fields wrote on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 08:56 GMT
Hi Peter,
Do you believe that individual entities have identity over time? Your description of travelling waves suggests that you do. If so, why?
Cheers,
Chris
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 16:56 GMT
Chris,
If we define a (non-'matter') entity as any discernible 'difference' in a ground state it will then include 'soliton' waves, which we consistently find. In that case an identity exists over time in the same was as 'matter'. What it may 'consist of' is then immaterial as it only needs be a 'peak' in energy level. I agree with you it is only then a 'model-theoretic'...
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Chris,
If we define a (non-'matter') entity as any discernible 'difference' in a ground state it will then include 'soliton' waves, which we consistently find. In that case an identity exists over time in the same was as 'matter'. What it may 'consist of' is then immaterial as it only needs be a 'peak' in energy level. I agree with you it is only then a 'model-theoretic' entity.
However, I consider a 'photon' not as a conserved 'particle' but quantised emissions as subject to Schrodingers non-linear (time dependent) equation which has a 'spread function' few understand. This may be spherical of close to linear (coherent forward scattering), or in 'beams' which may be self focussing (Bessel-Laser beams). However, the energy spreads and Huygens construction then applies, but in 3D as sphere surfaces, so 'potentials' at any point in space can be calculated. Any matter particles encountered then re-quantise the energy (then observed locally as a 'photon').
The case of a 'travelling wave' among a 3D field of such identical fluctuations is not an 'entity' in the same way. The problem then becomes semantic. The error QM makes is just assigning it an integer as an entity, ignoring the complex distribution it really consists of. A torus may then be considered as a spiral not a helix, as the local orbital angular momentum of the sphere 'surface' may increase in diameter with time between requantisations.
Sorry that got a bit complex but now I'm used to it it seems quite simple. There's also a direct analogy to sums-over-paths but that may take another half a page!
Detection would then be a requantisation at the lens surface fine structure ions, if the potential is adequate to trigger a requantisation (high intensity = photo-ionization as more ions are needed for the job.) (Plancks 'Loading Theory' may have been a pretty close basic scattering concept!)
I noticed didn't rate your own excellent essay, essay, so have now. It seems the change is equivalent to the answer to life the universe and everything - 42! Now what was the question? Thanks for your own question, please do point out anything you feel may be inconsistent.
Very best of luck in the final run in.
Peter
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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Aug. 4, 2013 @ 10:46 GMT
Dear Peter,
Thanks for bringing the Dark Matter post to my attention. I must confess my current ignorance of Plasma Physics. The nearest I came was when someone referred me to read "The Electric Universe", which you might google and preview. My motivation for and impression of dark matter is for something that can be gravitationally bound and be so relatively inert as to be undetectable if it forms an earth-bound medium. If Plasma can form such an undetectable earth-bound medium to render the M-M result null then it is a candidate that I would love. My thinking is that given the claimed and assumed abundance (over 90% of all cosmic matter) of this medium and our planetary location right in the middle of the galactic zone where the stellar velocity rotation curves suggest it is most abundant in our galaxy, how can the earth be so privileged as to escape such a medium being bound to it? If the earth is then not so special, then perhaps the way such difficult to detect medium can be experimentally verified is from experiments like M-M, Sagnac, GPS which indicate the differing behaviour for light at terrestrial surface vis-a-vis extra-terrestrial light source. This would bring back the Galilean relativity principle.
So the basic question is how undetectable can Plasma be? And how can it also be detected? My little understanding is that Plasma exists at very high temperatures only and not at room temperature.
NB: That among other things after things become more leisurely after this demanding essay contest I will be revisiting your Discrete Space Theory with a view to buttress the model or puncture it, if I can and if you don't mind!
Best regards,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 09:47 GMT
Akinbo,
Plasma doesn't have to be hot. It's very poorly understood and has various similar descriptions. It's essentially electron rich (followed by protons, anti-particles and the ionised gasses) where not yet at the CO and molecular gas stage. It can be very diffuse in space, but as space is generally quite big it has the same effect as a short thick bit of medium. n=1. In fact astonishingly, experimentally it's found then n can equals fractionally under 1 at some frequencies (theoretically slightly superluminal!). It can be detected indirectly and kinetically (as well as gravitationally of course!) and more so directly with better fidelity, and with actual probes, as actually found in the recent AMS results.
It is found at great abundance at the bow shocks around moving objects (local fields/frames). Check out my 2011 essay,
2020 Vision 2011 FQXi Finalist. and Richard Nixey's 2012 essay analysis of Earth's Bow Shock, consistent with mine.
Nixey; Bow Shock Plasma (see Fig.).I condenses precisely as required due to dark energy compression at the discrete field domain boundaries, resolving a swatch of dozens of anomalies in one go.
We don't quite return to Galilean Relativity. The LT's Gamma curve is a real effect, but with a real PHYSICAL derivation I've described in another paper.
Yes, I'm really pleased to have help trying to falsify it. Try hitting it it with all you can find! I can no longer even scratch it! but it can't yet be anything like complete.
Best of luck in the final roller coaster/dash!
Peter
Akinbo Ojo replied on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 12:58 GMT
Peter,
As to Plasma playing a very significant roll in the Earth's Bow Shock I am ready to concede but will still have to check your references later. I am conceding because electromagnetism features prominently in the phenomenon and as you rightly said Plasma is rich in electrons and ionized material, etc.
What is your explanation in case you are disagreeing with Newtonian, v^2 = GM/r, when analysing the speed of outlying stars? The v is so high, making a higher M inevitable to preserve galactic structure unless you want to change Newton's theory.
I didnt get what you meant by the LT's Gamma curve
Then, concerning whether Plasma can exist and remain plasma at room temperature will need the reference. My thinking is that electron and particle motions are so high in the Plasma state.
Regards,
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 18:37 GMT
Akinbo,
Newtons seems a pretty good approximation, but the discrepancies further out can be better modelled by the Yukawa (or 'screened Coulomb') potential which has a slightly sharper cut off and doesn't theoretically go on 'forever'. Insofar as the dark matter halo distribution has been 'mapped' it corresponds excellently. The peak potential at the shock then 'transforms' to the 'next...
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Akinbo,
Newtons seems a pretty good approximation, but the discrepancies further out can be better modelled by the Yukawa (or 'screened Coulomb') potential which has a slightly sharper cut off and doesn't theoretically go on 'forever'. Insofar as the dark matter halo distribution has been 'mapped' it corresponds excellently. The peak potential at the shock then 'transforms' to the 'next frame out' (i.e. ECI to Barycentric inertial system).
The LT is the Lorentz Transformation, which is the main difference given in Special Relativity. It describes the 'hockey stick' curve, insignificant at low speeds then exponentially increasing as the 'relativistic' effect approaching c. The curve then goes 'ballistic' to infinity at 0.9999999% of c (known as 'gamma', denoted 'y'). In SR it's interpreted as implemented by smoke, mirrors, partial time derivatives, virtual particles, geometry and magic. In the Discrete Field Model a combination of two well known 'plasma' effect provide an underlying mechanism. Essentially the same mechanism recovers (at last!) Snell's Law at Maxwell's near/far field transition zone.
Plasma's normal state is at rest, like any other particle, and at normal energies except when moving relatively, as the Nixey essay shows, described there as 'temperature' but noted as not understood. The DFM resolves this by the normal old fashioned Raman atomic scattering by condensed conjugate pairs. There's confision as particles are "ionised" when very hot, 'making' plasma (as at the shuttles nose on re-entry). I'll talk you through 'OB mode' later.
I'm in the APS Plasma Physics Group. It took me many years to get up with and ahead of the game with plasma. Once Hannes Alfven won his Nobel prize (1970) all headed elsewhere trying to win their own so it was ignored. Don't try learning from Wikitrashaganda. Just a few of hundreds of relevant links I have; The first and second are very important, about the 'two-fluid' plasma structure valid at shocks and the TZ, and ISRS.
http://www.aa.washington.edu/research/cfdlab/docs/shuml
ak_apsccp2004.pdf
http://pra.aps.org/abstract/PRA/v86/i6/e062
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Journal of Geophysical Research: Space Physics, 118; doi: 10.1029/2012JA018351.
http://sci.esa.int/science-e/www/object/index.cfm?fobjectid=
51315
doi:10.1088/0741-3335/34/13/030
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arx
iv/papers/0912/0912.0856.pdf
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.0457v2
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http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.0874
http://sci.esa.int/cluster/51988-cluster-discovers-steady-le
ak-in-earth-plasmasphere/
http://www.ann-geophys.net/31/1143/2013/angeo-31-1143-2013.h
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http://arxiv.org/abs/1304.3633
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Akinbo Ojo replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 13:18 GMT
You are certainly up there with this Plasma stuff. I have not paid much attention thinking it is material only of interest to high energy physics. I will have to reconsider and go back to school with all those references in your message. I hope my brain can still understand this kind of stuff, not being a professional physicist. More later
Best
Akinbo
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Paul Borrill wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 04:39 GMT
Peter - nice essay, although sometimes a bit hard to follow at times.
I enjoyed your inclusion of the law of the excluded middle, and after reading your essay wondered if this could also be interpreted as a reflection of superposition?
There was a nice focus in the essay on the difficulty of emitting creating single photon emitters, and detectors ! Your end notes was a treasure trove of interesting references and connections. Thank you.
Nice job. I plan to follow up on all these references as soon as the contest is over.
Kind regards, Paul
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Marcoen J.T.F. Cabbolet wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 10:38 GMT
Dear Peter,
I have read your essay; I think it is quite original and I've rated it accordingly.
I have two comments about the formal aspects of your essay.
1) In the line of the comment of David Reid above, I cannot agree with you that the atomic formula A = A is false: not in mathematics and not in nature. The case in mathematics is discussed above. But also in nature a every individual is identical to itself. I may agree with you that no two separate individuals can be identical, as in this horse here and that horse there cannot be identical. But the identity relation is reflexive, so this horse here is always identical to this horse here. I think it's untouchable.
2) In the context of the law of the excluded middle, the values 0 and 1 are truth values at the metalevel (0 denoting false and 1 denoting true). Probability theory is merely an application of set theory: the values 0 and 1 in probability theory are constants at object level. A nonzero probability is a value in between these latter values 0 and 1: it has nothing to do with the truth values 0 and 1. If you define any event E, then a formula 'P(E) = ½' is still either true or false. The same goes for the probabilities in QM: these are real numbers in between the constants 0 and 1 at object level, they have nothing to do with the truth values at metalevel. So I do not understand your link with the law of the excluded middle. Of course there are other logical systems, such as that of Brouwer's intuitionism in which you cannot infer A from ¬¬A. Or am I missing something and do I have to see your theory in an entirely different logical framework?
Best regards,
Marcoen
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 17:20 GMT
Marcoen,
Many thanks for your comments. I'll take the points in turn.
1. See David Reids final point above agreeing the model and comment on my precurser essays.
2. I agree self likeness, but that makes A=A only true metaphysically. As there are no two separate entities in nature we cannot claim commutativity, so we can then say there are two distinct cases, the physical one...
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Marcoen,
Many thanks for your comments. I'll take the points in turn.
1. See David Reids final point above agreeing the model and comment on my precurser essays.
2. I agree self likeness, but that makes A=A only true metaphysically. As there are no two separate entities in nature we cannot claim commutativity, so we can then say there are two distinct cases, the physical one where A~A. This does indeed go right down as deep as possible to root out the original false assumption, common to both maths and most logical systems. There is a massive advantage in recognising the two 'classes'; We can decode the quantum 'noise' in recursive layers. Shocking I know, but only at first due to unfamiliarity.
3. Put the way you describe the included middle I can then agree the 'metalevel' is correct at that level, as is the next level down at that level, and so on through many levels right down to gamma, where the background 'noise' will be reduced to a 'whimper'
4. Brower was better than Russels predicate logic and maths in some ways but was similarly incomplete. But it does go deeper! we can't even say in nature A=B! All equals signs should be squiggly if we wish to accurately describe the real evolution of the universe including it's quantum uncertainty. We may then assign a 'sigma' level to maths to define it's precision as a descriptor (i.e. how many places of decimals of Pi)
5. As we know in physics there really is then no absolute 'true' or 'false', only a spot for each case on a Bayesian distribution. The philosophical problem of defining a 'pile' is also simply resolved. It is an 'uncountable' n-value.
6. Yes. I suppose it really does need Wittgenstein's philosophy. Also Bragg's, a whole new way at looking at the familiar. It and seems to unify all things and withstand all falsification. hit it hard with anything and see. But it is far more beautiful, I promise, like finally escaping the cold dark catacombs into a sunny garden. The shock soon goes.
Best wishes for the final placings.
Peter
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Michael Alexeevich Popov wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 12:52 GMT
Peter,
My later reading of your essay showed an importance of following passages :
> “ Binary based mathematics relies on the Law of the Excluded Middle between assigned symbols 0,1, A,B, or yes/no for waves”.
> refinement. May be philosophically in the terms of analytical tradition, it is correct, however, mathematically speaking, it is a kind of Wheeler’s...
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Peter,
My later reading of your essay showed an importance of following passages :
> “ Binary based mathematics relies on the Law of the Excluded Middle between assigned symbols 0,1, A,B, or yes/no for waves”.
> refinement. May be philosophically in the terms of analytical tradition, it is correct, however, mathematically speaking, it is a kind of Wheeler’s simplification. Indeed, we cannot say that Weirstrass theorem relies on the Law of the Excluded Middle. Technically, in alternative proof of Weirstrass theorem, we divide some interval into two equal parts, when one at least contain infinitely many points. Proceeding in this way we can define a sequence of intervals each of which is a half of its predecessor, and each of which contains infinitely many points…Hence, ideas of points of accumulations, Dedekind theorem, sections of the real numbers into left-hand class / right-hand class, etc. Thus, Wheeler’s yes/no logic must have limited sense and actual binary mathematics is more complicated.
> “Time itself is a special case. The concept time is a human invention to describe change, often confused with the physical evidence of emissions from 'clocks'”.
> refinement. When Albert Einstein extended physically accepted list of arithmetical operations so as to include the extraction of the square root of minus 1 in his theory of imaginary time (SR), he admitted the complex numbers and new theory of time. Thus, if we find that some equations of higher degree used in physics are insoluble by aid of complex numbers now, we can go further and admit new math. Hence, new time theory can be connected with new mathematics of non-integer dimensionality spacetime. In 1986 quantum theorists Karl Svozil and Anton Zeilinger proposed that the notion of the dimension of spacetime could be based on”philosophical” measure-theoretic concepts ( admitting the possibility of noninteger dimensions , like 4 – έ ). They introduced in fact an operational dimension which is smaller than the idealized Housdorff dimension. However, they intuitively extended their list of accepted arithmetical operations so as to include the solution of higher equations.Thus,we might to be led to the consideration of numbers of another types in order to introduce complex dimensionality and new time theory, taking technically.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 15:59 GMT
Michael,
Many thanks for your comments. I agree both your refinements. These are also consistent with a number of other essays here. There seem to be many valid recursive gauge theories.
There is however another level to the time question. When considering dilation it need only be Doppler shift of the artefacts of a sequence of emissions due to the physical speed change between real spatially bounded inertial systems (frames).
You may need to read the above again and imagine a balloon moving along a corridor. Light is from ahead scattered to c in the balloon frame by it's skin on entry, propagates at c in the balloon frame while IN the balloon system, (Contraction) then back to c in the corridor rest frame. Moving the other way it is dilated in the balloon from when propagating through the balloon.
You may find you need to read the ALL again! Or see my previous years papers. Does that make any sense to you?
Peter
JOSEPH E BRENNER wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 20:00 GMT
Dear Peter,
I have not replied to your notes, for which thanks, as I have just returned home from a short trip to Germany. I have looked for a first time at your essay and decided that there is a possibility for us to "join forces" against the "guardians of doctrine". The difference is that you explicate (very clearly) your theory whereas, following what I thought was the assignment, talked only tangentially about mine. Hence, I will ask you if you will agree to read a paper of mine which should interest you. For example, the core of my logic, grounded in physics, is the Law of the Included Middle. Real processes follow a spiral path moving from partial actuality to partical virtuality and vice versa in a way that may be described by your "hidden higher-order variables". The first axiom of my logic, exactly as you put it, is that there is no real A that is identical to any other real A, and so on. Naturally, the first thing I would like is that you acknowledge, if you would, the belated receipt of these intitial comments.
Best wishes,
Joseph
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 11:53 GMT
Joseph,
Thank you. I agree you adhered well to the brief. Interestingly I also really only used this essay as an opportunity to falsify the more comprehensive discrete field model (DFM) on QM, an area I've previously largely avoided. I was astonished at it's apparent resolving power even in a cobbled together state.
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Joseph,
Thank you. I agree you adhered well to the brief. Interestingly I also really only used this essay as an opportunity to falsify the more comprehensive discrete field model (DFM) on QM, an area I've previously largely avoided. I was astonished at it's apparent resolving power even in a cobbled together state.
I'd be absolutely delighted to read your paper and look at joining forces with you. I've suggested collaborations with many, but most in physics seem to either think it's all sorted or jealously guard their own 'precious' ideas. For me the secrets of nature belong to nature and mankind not to any man. I have collaborated with some, including with John Minkowski on a 'quantum optics' paper in the Hadronic Journal and fresh up on arXiv.
Resolution of Kantor and Babcock-Bergman Emission Theory Anomalies.I hope you may first read my previous essays here, the last two finishing 7th but both passed over! They are precursors outlining the dyno/kinetics and some major implications which stretch across all physics, cosmology and much other science. The less abridged versions are here; 2011 ;
'2020 Vision' A model of discretion... and 2012;
'Much Ado about Nothing'. (Not!)There are a whole sequence of other papers plus many drafted and in the pipeline, as well as a draft 'master tome' which need major updates. Of course despite Professional Quals, 40 years of research, RAS Fellow etc., as I have no specific science PhD my work is usually just ignored or dismissed. Having the odd PhD on board may then help. There are a number of other very like minded thinkers here who may be interested in a consortium if you think that a good plan?
I did rate your own excellent essay, and good to now see it in the top 20. Do post a link to your paper, or a pdf to peter.jackson53@ymail.com. I greatly look forward to further discussions.
Best wishes
Peter
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eAmazigh M. HANNOU wrote on Aug. 5, 2013 @ 22:16 GMT
Dear Peter,
We are at the end of this essay contest.
In conclusion, at the question to know if Information is more fundamental than Matter, there is a good reason to answer that Matter is made of an amazing mixture of eInfo and eEnergy, at the same time.
Matter is thus eInfo made with eEnergy rather than answer it is made with eEnergy and eInfo ; because eInfo is eEnergy, and the one does not go without the other one.
eEnergy and eInfo are the two basic Principles of the eUniverse. Nothing can exist if it is not eEnergy, and any object is eInfo, and therefore eEnergy.
And consequently our eReality is eInfo made with eEnergy. And the final verdict is : eReality is virtual, and virtuality is our fundamental eReality.
Good luck to the winners,
And see you soon, with good news on this topic, and the Theory of Everything.
Amazigh H.
I rated your essay.
Please visit
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 10:25 GMT
Amazigh,
Thank you. I agree a new coherent paradigm should emerge. Unfortunately they don't seem to produce them any more.
I tried London's west end, where apparently you can buy anything, but few seem to know what I'm talking about and most believe it can't happen!
I wonder if that means we're stuck forever with the ones we have?
(I have most of the components if anyone has the rest and knows how to create on please help!)
Thanks for rating my essay and the invite to read yours, I was pleased to read and rate it in July.
I'll listen out for the 'good news'.!
Very best wishes
Peter
Stephen James Anastasi wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 11:20 GMT
Hello Peter
A good effort, I thought.
I have a bother with one of your axioms. If in an infinite universe all probabilities are non-zero, then the sum of these probabilities is infinite. Is this what you meant to say? The sum of an infinite number of finite values is infinite, so how does this affect your probability? I think it implies that the chance of anything happening is greater than 1, which would make for a challenging sample space, and sets that contain more than they contain. I think my
General Principle of Equivalence [/http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/1904] would have a bother with this.
If I have it wrong, my apologies. If I am right, I recognize that it will take a deal of work to heal.
Best wishes
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 12:57 GMT
Stephen,
You say; " If in an infinite universe all probabilities are non-zero, then the sum of these probabilities is infinite. Is this what you meant to say?"
No. Though I agree from the old viewpoint that may appear logical.
However I have removed 'sums' from the equations of nature as they lead to mathematical infinities and there are no infinities in the DFM. The way it works we can't and don't need to 'add' 'probabilities'. They are not additive qualities but simply 'different outcomes', with a distribution which may better be described as likelihoods of occurring. (Maths of course can keep it's infinities).
I know this may be hard to first accept as it takes about 17 steps backwards to disengage with all assumptions and gain the overview. The recursive spaces are also not quite completely 'fractal' as each slightly evolves (see the McHarris essay on chaos theory). There is however a bottom end stop, at the Planck quality relating to gamma, where the model has derived the LT from a quantum mechanism. I'll send you a link to the paper if you wish.
I'm pleased to say I read and gave your essay a well deserved high rating quite recently. Please do ask about the above if you don't think it works. The reply was rather off the cuff.
Best of luck for getting in the final group.
Peter
Angel Garcés Doz wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 14:09 GMT
Dear Peter,having scored his essay, many days ago, with high punctuation, I'll give my opinion on your essay.
First: his essay is superbly structured. Second is an ambitious essay, as discussed numerous topics in quantum theory, which are of primary importance, including: Bell's theorem, the fuzzy logic, the EPR paradox, among others. He even admits the possibility of the existence of extra dimensions.
In regard to your comment, made in a post of my essay, I can tell you, that indeed the expansion of the sphere 3d; has its role. The proof is this beautiful formula:
Kissing number in 24d = 196560
1) EXP( 4Pi/3 + 2^3 )-(4Pi/3 + 2^3)-1= 196560 = K(24d)
3 dimensions space ==> 3 Qbits = 8 bits ==> octonions and 8d extradimension; 8 + 3= 11d
2)
(K(24d)x 4Pi)/10 ~( Higgs boson mass/electron mass)
24d = 4d permutations ( dimension space-time not warped in circles or spheres 1 dimension)
In short, I am sure you will be, as a minimum, the finalists of this contest. Oh, and do not worry too much about the math, because I am sure you have ample knowledge on them. Greetings. Angel Garces Doz
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 10:16 GMT
Thanks Angel,
I did study maths but found fundamental assumptions I wasn't entirely happy to follow the crowd on so tested othe paths. I find geometry and dynamic visualisation very rewarding and a bit more 'real'. Si I find my thoughts on current maths reflect Dodgeson's Einstein's and Wheelers ("never do a calculation till you know the answer").
Statistics seems simply self deception, analysing the 'map' not the territory.
Stay in touch.
Peter
Karl H Coryat wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 19:20 GMT
Hi Peter, thanks for your comment. Quite frankly I've lost interest in this particular contest (I had much more time to obsess about physics last time), but congratulations on your essay doing so well. -KC
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Jin He wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 23:11 GMT
Dear Peter,
According to my galaxy study, the universe is alive at whatever scales!
Therefore, the argument of bit and it is meaningless.
So I can not rate your essay against my own belief.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 11:32 GMT
Jin,
I term it a semantic question. If we don't know what 'it' is, and can't define 'information' apart from 'change' then I agree the question is meaningless. But if we then test what form 'it' may take up, we may perhaps be able to "say" more than Niels Bohr could 90 yeas ago. I think Niels may have hoped we could!
I'm not convinced there is room for 'beliefs' in proper science. But there seems far too much. With religion moving away from it science and it's doctrines may well take the lead anytime soon!
I've tried not to rate essays here in terms of how closely they may happen to correspond with my own findings. That is 'science by votes!' This is an essay competition. I've rated some essays with a very different approach very highly if they're well presented and argued, interesting, original or a pleasure to read. Those should surely be our criteria.
None the less we are all humans and all part of nature, so must all do what we feel is correct. That is our strength.
Best wishes.
Peter
Anonymous wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 23:20 GMT
Peter, I found your article to be quite a complex and multifarious investigation into the fundamental topic of quantum information. Your attention to issues of logic and semantics reminds me of Jennifer Nielsen's essay, which I also thought well of. I am particularly pleased with your attention to the importance of spin and angular momentum in QM (and as expressed in polarized states along the full degrees of freedom such as elliptical), an issue crucial to the thought experiments of my own essay. Furthermore, you realize the importance of *orbital* momentum and not just the conventional spin type. (I had been amazed by the reports of light with OAM and the significance to theory that single photons would of course express that same state - yet this has been largely overlooked.)
Also, in a sea of ruminating philosophical essays it is refreshing to see another author propose or reinterpret, experimental tests that can reveal new truths about quantum states. I had gotten a bit depressed and lost much interest in this contest after seeing so many "speculative" papers without specific proposals, and seeing my own effort sink rather low in the ratings. Somehow I had forgotten that yours is instead, like mine in offering testable new perspectives: "New experiments comparing single-photon pairs are proposed, ..." Indeed! I personally believe that the results of standard QM would be upheld but it is good for someone to challenge the orthodoxy.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 10:26 GMT
Neil,
I'm very grateful, for both your words and contribution to my thoughts. Somehow we really ought to be able to get a wide collaborative group together to develop and present our common ideas properly in mainstream journal. This also need philosophy mathematics and real experimentation. i.e. coherent joined up science, just like nature really is. Joseph seems up for it (see above). I certainly don't have the time and expertise to do so alone and I suspect none now do. Physics is too deep in this rut.
As I've just written on a blog; "We've been down so long it looks like up to us"
Wotja think?
Peter
Neil Bates replied on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 01:36 GMT
Peter, thank you. That would be a great idea and I want you (and other interested parties) to stay in touch. I am a member of some high-quality forums of Facebook and can invite you if you're connected and interested. I want to help other independent scholars and amateurs make a difference, and people like you can help. Please reference my paper as desired (altho allow me to send you a corrected copy, there is a tiny error.) Regards and good luck.
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Neil Bates wrote on Aug. 6, 2013 @ 23:26 GMT
Peter, sorry I showed as "Anonymous" - I was sure I was logged in. Something keeps kicking me out.
- N. Bates
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John Brodix Merryman wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 01:16 GMT
Peter,
Thank you for calling my attention back to your essay. You are right the abstract is bit off-putting, while the actual work is quite impressive. It definitely does compliment McHarris' paper on non-linear dynamics and I thought that important in drawing attention to similar work in other fields, while yours does seem to go to the heart of the matter. It's is good to see a "real world" entry come in at least second.
As for the gap I refer to in my own paper, it is not so much a consequence of filling in the physics that has been distilled from the math, but simply a fact of how we have to distill information from the physics, in order for it to be information.
Regards,
John M
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 10:42 GMT
John,
Many thanks. I agree, it's a dangerous thing to assume we can only get 'physics from maths'. I suspect what we really need is to get 'knowledge from nature'.
I've proposed a new era to replace that of; "SHUT UP AND CALCULATE"
I've suggested it may perhaps be called; "SLOW DOWN AND THINK"
What do you think?
Peter
John Brodix Merryman replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 17:06 GMT
Peter,
Something similar has been running round my head during this contest. I lay the basic concept out in my essay; That perception is a function of the particular focus and in many ways, looking at the broad and general, is as fundamental as the specific and exact. Yet physics as we have it today, is obsessed with ever more concentration of the focus. I just happened to read Peter...
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Peter,
Something similar has been running round my head during this contest. I lay the basic concept out in my essay; That perception is a function of the particular focus and in many ways, looking at the broad and general, is as fundamental as the specific and exact. Yet physics as we have it today, is obsessed with ever more concentration of the focus. I just happened to read Peter Woit's latest blog
post, where the subject of what machine comes after the LHC is being discussed.
Does it ever occur that contextuality might be a function of the general, not though ever finer detail?
Not only do they not know what they are looking for beyond the Higgs, but as these FQXI contests have shown on any number of occasions, they can't even adequately explain time.
It seems many major institutions in this world, from the US government, to leading edge physics, to various monotheistic/monolithic religious institutions, to the current monetary paradigm, are all being pulled into their various bureaucratic black holes. I'mn thinking the end result will be one of those binary star systems, where the little one sucking in all the energy eventually goes supernova.
Tome makes an interesting point in the Contest
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"There is an important aspect of the competition, however, that escapes judging. It is the merging and contrasting of original research results that cohere in a theme worthy of publishing as a collection. This is not adequately reflected -- in my opinion -- in the collection of winning essays picked from the final 35 or 40. A "proceedings volume" of sorts would have to be drawn from the complete range of entries containing serious and potentially falsifiable results, or feasible and well organized research programs.
Such a proceedings would help satisfy FQXi's mission to promote leading edge research independent of the contest outcome. It just takes good editing skills and the sage advice of an already-empaneled advisory board. Some such proceedings in other venues have become classics -- such as the 1990 volume (edited by FQXi member Woijczek Zurek) on complexity, entropy and information produced from a conference at the Santa Fe Institute."
Given his opinion of me, I thought I'd refrain from seconding it, but you would definitely be one to push the idea. Obviously there are a lot of contrasting ideas and it would be difficult to achieve consensus, but how about some form of formalized competition, where the two major schools of thought, the realists and the platonists, each coalesce around a core model and let all those in the middle be able to see the contrasts and where they might fall?
Think I might cut and paste this idea over there. Or think it through a little further.
Regards,
John
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John Brodix Merryman replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 17:09 GMT
Sorry for the poor editing on that post.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 23:04 GMT
I agree it's a good idea. I'll tell him. There are also a few already interested in some form of colaboration.
As far as TIME goes. This falls out of the DFM; The moment signals are emitted from a clock they are artifacts. They are simple physical 'left over' evidence, now at large to be changed, Doppler shifted absorbed or whatever. They are not 'TIME' itself!
Time does not change due to motion in any way, including due to gravity Only the physical residue of clock emissions does. There's not a single effect I can find not thus logically explained.
Shall we call the next Book in the series; "Return from Wonderland", "Back through the looking Glass,"; "Alice Gets Real!" or "Bob and Alice go quark hunting."
Can you think of any more?
I'll try to think up another big toy to employ thousands of physicists.
Peter
Anonymous replied on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 16:48 GMT
Peter,
Well, I did try raising the idea and as usual it has precipitated a long running debate over a variety of topics. Currently the relationship between language and math.
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Well, I did try raising the idea and as usual it has precipitated a long running debate over a variety of topics. Currently the relationship between language and math.
I know you focus on the DFM and I tend to obsess over whether time is the sequence from past to future, or the process by which future becomes past, but there is a strategic reason why I think this way of considering time is the sort of battering ram that would really knock down the doors of the Ivory Tower.
First and foremost, it is an idea that can be easily comprehended by many, if not most people. Second, it is not just a concept that would be unsettling to the field of physics, but to pretty much everyone, when you consider linear sequence is foundation to both narrative, thus history and cause and effect logic as well. Not that it disproves either, anymore than understanding it is the earth spinning, not the sun moving, changed the fact of the sun's rising and setting.
So to the extent it would be disruptive to broad measures of society, the effect on physics would be more of a wave knocking down the walls, than just prying the door open. All that it would take would be a well written article in some fairly broad circulation publication. Since I know I don't have the credentials to be seriously listened to, I'm willing to let anyone who wants the idea to have it. Given the amount of blowback and public attention that seriously questioning the nature of time would arouse, I don't have any trouble letting others take the initial pressure either, since it would eventually wash over me as well. So if it could be included in a broader alternative theory of physics, the attention of the physics community would have to begin to address all of the outstanding issues, not just beat them back individually.
Or we can just wait until the educated public finally does throw up their hands and starts looking around for alternatives.
Call it "Physics after the Multiverse."
Regards,
John
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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 04:19 GMT
While time draws short..
I enjoyed your essay, and thought it deserved a high rating, so I boosted yours a bit. I wish you luck. And may my left over octonionic bits serve you well.
Have Fun,
Jonathan
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 16:20 GMT
Thanks Jonathen. I left a not on your blog. If they come in nested 'Russian doll' sets we'll probably need a load plus someone who can use them.
I'm not entirely sure that doing that magical slight of hand thing juggling foreign symbols to try to predict the future is really the best way to do it, but I know such approximations do come in very handy to communicate with.
Best wishes
Peter
Franklin Hu wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 05:49 GMT
"An intelligent 'IQbit' from 'it' is found in hierarchical 'Sample Space' subsets hidden in the Excluded Middle between binary 0,1 values"
Huh? Is that even English? Looks like word salad to me. At least you appear to address the topic, but your conclusion appears to be 'no' to the question of whether the world is binary or not.
After reading through a number of essays, they all have the same problem - much to technical to be engaging to the public at large.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 17:12 GMT
Hi Franklin,
Yes it is my mother tongue (you should have read my sonnet last year!) but I agree your point. I think I tried to compress a precee of the essay into the abstract, which put a lot off reading it.
My conclusion was a bit more subtle. In 'Public at Large' speak; Lets say a binary pair represent 2 halves of a Russian Doll, painted red and violet. Now inside all the colours and hues of the rainbow are represented by the ever decreasing size dolls. However, at present, even with all the dolls opened up, we only ask; 'Red or Violet?, so Wheelers; 'Yes' or 'No'? The green ones become very uncertain, but towards each end of the spectrum it's clearer. However, the point is that far more information is available than we're asking. At present we just call it 'noise'.
So if we change our questions to; blue or indigo? At each detection the system will tell us. The subtle bit is the 'non linear' distribution caused by an 'orbit' not a 'line'. However, for each smaller Doll we may say we have another binary choice. So there are 2 ways of 'describing' this;
1) It is far MORE binary than the single 1,0. as there are recursive pairs.
or
2) It's not binary at all but an 'orbit each time (which why pi is infinite).
Of course while you're right, we had to be a bit more technical than that, we were (as specified) not supposed to be writing for the public at large but the "average Sci Am reader". I think most did that well except the ones with all the formulas.
The Lego universe was fun though. Don't you think it a bit suspicious it was invented in Dennmark?
Peter
Branko L Zivlak wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 07:05 GMT
Hello Peter
I am late in commenting your article because I read it a few times. Good article and I wish you much success.
regards,
Branko
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 17:23 GMT
Branco,
You're very kind. I think your work on meteorology and uncertainty are very important in understanding nature. Once we can predict the weather with any real certainty we know the maths is becoming a more useful descriptor.
I agree cyclicity is probably the most foundational form existing at any level, from a universe down to a condensed fermion.
We all suffer information overload, but do stay in touch.
Peter
Richard William Kingsley-Nixey wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 13:01 GMT
Peter,
Incredible work! Sorry to only just get to it. I also looked at your links in the first post. The abstract did put me off a bit first read. I should hve expected this as your last two were clearly building up to a big crescendo. Thanks for being one of the few to look at mine. Outreach seems more valuable than most think. I also really like your apparent total lack of arrogance, it's very refreshing.
So you predicted Aspect should have found major inconsistencies, then found them hidden in his French language paper and omitted from his results. That's quite some story! Has nobody else spotted it?
A very important finding and paper. Well done. Let's hope the judges take note of the posts above and have a bit more vision this time around. This needs to be capitalised on by fqxi. If you want any more help or collaborators I'd be up for it, but I think it's now beyond me.
Congratulations
Richard
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 21:09 GMT
Richard,
Yes, I think the Alain Aspect aspect has been missed. It did come a bit late for the first essay version. The other reference paper to the predicted anomalies I found is posted above but also here;
Aspect's Asymmetry Anomalies. Yes, it is pretty hot stuff. Alain hasn't yet replied to my letter. The implications are that both SR AND QM become entirely logical and freindly, subject to the ever diminishing uncertainty of course.
Thanks for your very kind words, but in my 2011 Essay '2020 Vision' I estimated there'd be no paradigm change until at least 2020. I suspect that may still prove not far off, but just one good experiment would help.
Any volunteers with contacts with a good optics lab?
Many thanks, best wishes and bless you.
Peter
Gene H Barbee wrote on Aug. 7, 2013 @ 19:36 GMT
Congratulations on your essay and the high marks. I read your essay and very much appreciate your explanation of EPR. I also visited academic.edu and looked at your papers. Your broad interests are impressive. Not being an academic, I am relegated to vixra but I have 6 recent papers there I think you would enjoy.
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 12:20 GMT
Gene,
Thank you. I'll try to catch up with your work. In terms of the eye and brain it would be great to work with you to better define my own description and implications. There is a massive implication for SR that needs careful re-reading of this plus my last two essays to expose.
I'm trying to find a great link I had on the rod/cone receptor mechanisms from which I think I pulled out this;
Lens wavelengths (colours) distribution. Sorry yours missed the cut.
Best wishes
Peter
Lorraine Ford wrote on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 02:26 GMT
Hi Peter,
One might argue that "The IQbit may help with processor upgrades" points to the existence of prescience!! Seriously though, I found your analysis, discussion, axioms and evidence to be compelling reasons to not ask "just yes/no questions". I hope that an experiment using true single pairs of photons can be done to verify your proposed new "Law of the Reducing Middle".
A top essay, excellent work.
Lorraine
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 13:50 GMT
Lorraine,
Impressively perceptive! But is it just wisdom or 'counterfactuality'!? I'd expected more comments on that one. I did want to slip in meaning hidden in layers, but before the readers eyes, between the lines. That is of course precisely the point the essay is making. It's all there when we perceive how to look. Well done.
After reading all (most of) those brilliant essays, including yours for sure, the line in the Monty Python sketch comes to mind " My brain hurts". I'm now planning an upgrade clinic. But NO counterfactuality!
Really sorry you didn't make the cut. At least the tension's over. I've had disappointment from 7th two years running!
Maay thanks, and see you next year.
Peter
PS. Did you see the peculiar orbital anomalies predicted in single photon pair comparisons have been found in the (vast majority of) Aspect date ditched due to inconsistency! ...YES!!! (see link in response to Richard above).
Chris Granger wrote on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 02:48 GMT
Peter,
Interesting essay! When I get some extra bandwidth I'll be able to give you more substantive feedback. Based on my initial review I have given you a high rating, and though I do have several reservations regarding your premise and its conclusions, there are also areas where I concur - and I certainly found your approach thought provoking on many fronts.
Chris
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 14:17 GMT
Chris,
Great, thanks, all feedback and falsification really welcomed. That's what the models doing here. Ref premise, you need to read my previous 2 (precursor) essays to understand the dynamic logic. They're very readable, though maybe as 'dense' as this one. I'd genuinely love to hear and discuss your reservations on the whole Discrete Field Model ontology.
It's very simple really, for instance Earth's ionospher is at rest with Earth and light scatters to c wrt Earth on entry and vice versa to the Barycentric frame. Exactly what we find in fact, just made logical. The problem is people often think they understand but can't see the unifying implications. Did you know Dan Gezari back at JPL?
Some not making the cut may be a bit disgruntled around now, that's human nature, so I appreciate your honest objectivity. Glad you found it thought provoking. I've found our thinking really does need substantial 'provoking' (as post to Lorraine above)!
Kind regards
Peter
Anonymous wrote on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 07:26 GMT
Dear Peter,
You are perhaps clever when calling real numbers intelligent rational ones. Since your new essay reached high ratings, I feel no longer obliged to hide my criticism. Let me be honest. I don't see your essay difficult to understand
because of densely presenting too much breathtaking new ideas. On the contrary,
your own ideas like a “Law of the Reducing Middle” cannot prevent me from feeling bored. While Hilbert's finitism has led to EPR and Wheeler's preference for a digital model of the world, I wonder if your mere preference for a non-binary bit will offer serious benefits. It may however serve as a vehicle for feelings and vague speculations of all those who are unhappy with some hard to swallow doctrines in physics.
In principle, I appreciate that you reminds us of the role by Cardano, Bombelli, and Galileo in mathematics. You just made it unnecessarily spectacular. Why didn't you mention Hilbert space and rigged Hilbert space? In Fig. 2 of my previous essay I addressed the question too.
As an aside: I object to "there is no boundary". Isn't there a border between past and future?
While your Fig. 1 is certainly unnecessary because circular polarization is well known, your explanation of your Fig. 2 is perhaps unacceptable. It is uncommon to imagine an middle as reducing. One does not immediately understand what you meant with "The curve is proposed to also representthe inverse Bayesian or Gödel many-valued 'reducing middle' between the certainties".
Your criticism of some experiments might be justified, and if it is correct, you are definitely deserving getting honored for it. I still consider the style of your essay far from the standard of scientific work. Nonetheless, you made progress. Please go successfully on to reveal flaws in experiments.
Regards,
Eckard
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 8, 2013 @ 16:28 GMT
Eckard,
I hope you're well. You shouldn't feel obliged to hide criticism. That's why the model's here! Scientific falsification is test and assault with all valid weapons (not just 'beliefs' or'opinions' of course). You make many points, which I'll extract.
1) Easy to understand. Good, but the real value is in also seeing the implications.
2) 'Feeling Bored' I apologise, but...
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Eckard,
I hope you're well. You shouldn't feel obliged to hide criticism. That's why the model's here! Scientific falsification is test and assault with all valid weapons (not just 'beliefs' or'opinions' of course). You make many points, which I'll extract.
1) Easy to understand. Good, but the real value is in also seeing the implications.
2) 'Feeling Bored' I apologise, but the science is the science. I can't 'spice it up'! What is clear is that you haven't studied the implications 'behind' iPADs as Godel/ Bayesian n-value 'fuzzy logic'. I'm sorry space was too tight to spell them all out.
3) The IQbit is not 'non-binary' as it must be 'described' and used in recursive binary layers. It already has serious benefits in the D-wave and other quantum computer research, and better explains tomography (CAT scans) etc. It's leading edge optics, but with a sound basis in longer wavelengths, i.e.
radio wave vorticity.
4) 'Hilbert spaces' are not invoked (but a better defined equivalent does emerge).
5) "Serve as a vehicle". Rather more. SR and QM are unified (re-interpreted) because a quanta with 'structure' overcomes Bells limit to explain uncertainty, and derives all the effects postulated in SR. Quantum gravity does then appear (but not in the essay as there was no room!)
6) 'Spectacular' Perhaps for many. I hope it stopped you getting bored Eckard!
7) "No boundary" Now I understand your confusion. That is a quote from John Bell (in full p4). I agree it regarding QM and SR. Nature is ONE! And between past and future? No 'physical entity' but 'now' is simply every interaction in the universe at any instant. But nothing 'stops', it's the evolution maths can't model.
8) 'Fig 1 Unnecessary'. The fig shows far more than 'circular polarisation' Eckard. It shows that orbital angular momentum of a dipole or toroid creates a 3D double helix, allowing elliptical polarity, and particularly correspondence with both sine and cosine waves, all as described in the text and the key to the EPR solution. As the essay is for 'average Sci Am readers' I suggest this then is absolutely essential.!
9) Inverse Distribution Curve. I thought 'Reducing' was better than just 'Included' middle, as the Bell cosine curve is only half the Fig, stopping at the centre (180^o), but then doubled to show the full Bayesian distribution, precisely as Godel's Fuzzy Logic, proving A~A (In fact also A~B!). i.e. non commutitative. The extra paragraph here had to be scrapped for space. I agree it was needed for those unfamiliar with all the 'aspects' (lol) invoked. Do let me know of any better single word.
10) Experiments. STOP PRESS! See the extraordinary (discarded) findings as predicted, hidden in Aspects French text! I also tracked this down;
Thompsom's Aspect finding!
11) Style. I absolutely agree. I had to build a fully founded ontological construction to validly test against the impregnable Bell inequalities. An almost impossible task! 'Style' was then of less priority. Perhaps I think that old mould should perhaps also be broken as well!? I've suggested we leave the "Shut up and calculate" era for a new one "Slow down and Think".
What do you think?
Please do keep throwing all you can find to test for any dents.
Very best wishes
Peter
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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 00:11 GMT
Wow; does being number two make you try harder?
I hope the expert reviewers think we both worked hard enough this time, to deserve a prize. They must be getting sick of you and me by now, Peter, but you did a stellar job and deserve kudos for that, at least. I finished in 3rd place once, before it went to the judges, but like yourself no prize. Perhaps that will all change this year, so I wish you the kind of luck you have not had before. May you be found not wanting, and therefore worthy of rewards.
All the Best,
Jonathan
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Akinbo Ojo replied on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 10:18 GMT
Hi Peter,
As you said real roller coster ride. Thank goodness I stayed awake with my laptop (5am! here). I would have been eaten by the sharks who make no comment or contribution during the contest but sneak in at the end to eat essayists fast asleep. Your advise about such an eventuality really helped.
You have given me a list of things to read. This will take some time as I am not retired.
You seem to be an encyclopedia of sorts as I came across an article on your blog related to EPR which I found interesting and just referred Gordon Watson to it.
As I said in the coming weeks I will be looking at the Discrete Space Model. As I am also interested in knowing what influence a space that is discrete and can also participate in motion can have on Quantum theory and its mysteries that will be another area of focus.
Best regards and thanks for interacting.
Akinbo
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 10, 2013 @ 21:23 GMT
Thanks Guys, Well done both of you too.
Tackling QM and reading some of the brilliant and consistent analysis here has given me a far more sage and settled view on life and reality. Bill McHarris's essay on chaos was also a revelation. I was astonished how well it fitted into a consistent picture.
My greatest worry now, having had no time to update the many papers in draft or start on the list of new ones, is that, if the discrete field model dynamic DOES start to become more widely understood, is it "ready"? Then as Milton Freeman said, any new theory would be incomplete at first. Though still using the game theory view 'winning is a decision you take' I now also take the view what will be will be. I just hope this can become a 'team' effort.
To that end I'm now off to race my yacht (Google; Ramsgate Week. 'Assassin') to deal with some real hands on dynamic Fourier wave transforms (team of
Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 10, 2013 @ 21:32 GMT
...aha! I forgot and used the 'up to' arrow sign, which cuts the rest of the post off! it was just 'team of max 13.' Dealing with a coherent entity interacting with waves and 'hands on' Fourier wave transforms and Doppler shifts by accelerating (relatively) moving fields of air molecules. Great fun!
Very best wishes.
Peter
Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 10:14 GMT
Dear Peter,
With all my heart I congratulate you with the second place in the first phase of the V International FQXi Essay Contest 2013!
I wish you continued success in your research!
I wish you new ideas for the good of all mankind!
Thanks for the nice comment and appreciation of my ideas!
I am very glad to have met you!
Thank FQXi!
Good summer holiday!
With great respect,
Vladimir
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Author Peter Jackson replied on Aug. 10, 2013 @ 21:38 GMT
Thanks Vlad. You too, it was a pleasure. We all need a break now.
(Google; 'Ramsgate Week, Assassin')
Have Fun.
Christian Corda wrote on Aug. 9, 2013 @ 19:10 GMT
Hi Peter,
Congrats for this fantastic result. Now let us cross the fingers for the final judgement by the FQXi experts panel.
Cheers,
Ch.
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Author Peter Jackson wrote on Sep. 25, 2013 @ 15:50 GMT
Stop Press;
..NEW EVIDENCE, NEW EVIDENCE..The recursive gauge theory dimensions implicit in the helical 3D IQbit described in the essay is also directly analogous to the infinite reducing dimensions of the new and beautiful 'jewel like' multi faceted "amplituhedron" mathematical object.
The only difference is that the IQbit has curved sides too, i.e. consistent non-linearity.
IQbit as a 'master amplituhedron , "with an infinite number of facets, analogous to a circle in 2-D, which has an infinite number of sides."
THE HELICITY OF LIGHT
Discussed has been found as self organised in the tokamak form of quasar jets (AGN/BH superluminal outflows)
new example of self-organization in an MHD plasma, and are also as found in light and described in new articles here;
Coherent optical vortices from relativistic electron beams, Nature Physics. See also;
Tokamak transport...driven by quasi-neutrality and helical asymmetry.MATH
Finally, in support of the logic and view expressed in the essay on mathematics, a new paper consistent with the proposals is here.
The Reasonable Ineffectiveness of Mathematics.
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Sep. 28, 2013 @ 12:22 GMT
Stop Press;
HEADLINE ..MORE NEW STUNNING EVIDENCE!The model described in the essay proposes, contrary to the assumption of John Bell, that the particle field of (Bob and Alice's) detectors in space have a particular orientation dictated by the setting angle (electro-magnetic field). The close spin-axis link between HII and molecular gas or 'dust' is confirmed, so plasma as well as gas refracts light in space consistently wrt the spin orientation.
This orientation then allows an additional parameter in the detection interaction with handed (+1/-1) singlet state spin particles propagating on their axis from the (Stern-Gerlach etc) splitter. Using the ubiquitous toroidal EM field particle morphology, and the consequential non-linear interaction with the aligned detector particles, then recovers John Von-Neumann's "consistent QM" specification of a cosine curve AT EACH detector. So RESOLVING THE EPR PARADOX without FTL communication (as Bell anticipated).
The proof of this predicted alignment has just been announced, with the comment;
"The effort promises to untangle a theoretical logjam about key elements of the interstellar medium". It sure would - if anyone were to understand and take note!
Scitech Newslink here. of full paper pre-print;
arXiv; B-G Andersson, et al., Evidence for H2 Formation Driven Dust Grain Alignment in IC 63, 2013, ApJ, 775, 84; This is a key piece of evidence consistent with the VLBA plasma kinetic refraction findings above and the DFM dynamic logic of interaction mechanism at domain boundaries.
The finding also supports this Dark Matter proposal;
Okada; Simple fermionic dark matter models and Higgs boson couplings.PJ
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Oct. 11, 2013 @ 12:46 GMT
Stunning new findings consistent with the essay propositions keep coming in. I have to thank a fellow top 20 essayist for providing the link to these;
Proof that assumptions are false, and that the Resonant Interaction of Multiple Waves; "...is completely different from what happens in coupled nonlinear Schrodinger equations (NLSEs), where energy exchanges are forbidden." So 'superposition' is real and can produce particles by multiple sphere surface intersections in the same way as 'Rougue Waves'.
Rogue Waves Emerging from the Resonant Interaction of Three Waves. Phys Rev Letters 111, 114101. 13 Sept 2013.Directly related but considering LIGHT in Airy pulses in fibre Optic cables is this, including the comments;
"Accelerating light waves in the form of Airy beams
moving along bending trajectories have recently drawn a great deal of attention. A remarkable feature of these beams is their acceleration, an inherent property rather than a result of interactions with other waves. In addition to spatial Airy beams, the dynamics of temporal Airy pulses was also studied. In the latter case, the acceleration of temporal pulses is characterized by their varying group velocity."
Inversion and tight focusing of Airy pulses under the action of third-order dispersion. Note the dispersion pattern in figure 4 in particular.
These are all important individual pieces from disparate research areas fitting neatly into the 'jigsaw puzzle' ontology, rationalising current theory by confirming the false assumptions identified.
PJ
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Oct. 11, 2013 @ 17:28 GMT
SINGLE PHOTON PRODUCTION
I highlighted the problems of so called single photon production, which most often has not been. The Model I Described, the IQbit, and resolution of the EPR paradox can all be falsified with single 'time resolved' photon emissions.
Alain Aspect apparently DID manage to do this to some extent, as the 'orbital asymmetry' predicted in my essay
WAS FOUND! in the vast majority data he discarded as there was (then) no theoretical explanation (see the C Thompson paper linked, and Aspect's French language full exposition).
But true single photon production has now improved;
Single Photon Streams. All that's now needed is to slow them down to ensure actual singlet pairs can be precisely correlated and the verification will be possible, proving von Neumann correct by producing a quantum cosine curve at EACH of Bob and Alice's detectors.
PJ
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Oct. 25, 2013 @ 19:12 GMT
STOP PRESS!
Two more exiting verification papers;
This shows how the DFM is consistent with and now fully rationalises the Friedman universe;
On the variation of vacuum permittivity in Friedmann Universes. AJ, 429; 491-498, 1994.Also this, out today which is consistent with much of the foundation of my essay and shows similarly links helicity to the unification of classical and quantum physics;
Bliokh, K. Y., Bekshaev, A. Y., Kofman, A. G. & Nori, F. Photon trajectories, anomalous velocities and weak measurements: a classical interpretation. New Journal of Physics 15, 073022 (2013).PJ
Author Peter Jackson wrote on Dec. 5, 2014 @ 17:53 GMT
Cool,
It seems the 3D helical quantum 'IQbit' is proving it's potential in practice already;
http://www.nature.com/news/twisted-light-sends-mozar
t-image-over-record-distance-1.16328.Garret Lisi's great video here suggests that particle physics may now be on the right track to solve it's problems too;
https://www.youtube.com/watch? Lisi.Peter
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