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TOPIC: Is the Moon There When Nobody Looks? by Akbar Fahmi [refresh]
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Author Akbar Fahmi wrote on Aug. 30, 2012 @ 12:07 GMT
Essay Abstract

Einstein asked: whether I really believed that the moon exists only when I look at it”. In this essay, we partially try to answer this question. We considered some realistic non-local hidden variable models which simulate the quantum correlation function (singlet state). We have derived inequalities which are based on these models and show that these inequalities are violated by quantum predictions. It prompts revisiting such models from logical perspective. These results raise some questions: Can quantum predictions are simulated by nonlocal realistic models? Can this approach be extended to general cases? In this essay, We will try to answer these questions.

Author Bio

I got my PhD in 2005 in Sharif University of Technology. I am a postdoctoral researcher working on foundations of quantum mechanics and quantum information theory. I am a member of the Philosophy of science Department, Sharif University of Technology and School of Physics, Institute for Research in Fundamental Sciences (IPM).

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Peter Jackson wrote on Aug. 31, 2012 @ 12:44 GMT
Akbar

I enjoyed you clear 'Locally Real' explanation of the most confusing part of physics. I describe a novel logical and causal resolution in my essay, and have discussed the moon in other blogs. Also the Matt J and Charli C essay finds a consistent ontology incorporating the Copenhagen interpretation and SR in a conceptual solution to the measurement problem.

I've proposed the completion of QM exposes the variable which derives the effects encompassed in the SR postulates. It uses the lesson Bohr taught Heisenberg to rescue his thesis; 'understand how a lens works'. Detection itself has a quantum interaction at the lens surface with implications and effects on the detected related to Raman atomic scattering over non zero space and time, and thus kinetics. Einstein's Local Reality simply emerges.

In this case, if no lens is receiving light reflected from the moon, then there is no mechanism to convert the signals into what we interpret as 'the Moon', so we may say the moon as we know it cannot then exist. We may however still gain evidence from reflected light and shadows of it's presence.

Even my dense essay struggles to handle the most basic mechanisms, kinetics and implications conceptually, but I hope you may be able to help make better sense of it, or indeed falsify the model. There is also much not in the essay. I hope you will forgive the metaphors there to aid kinetic visualisation.

I do hope it may contribute something to your own work, but in any case I would be most honoured and greatly value your opinion and views.

Many thanks.

Peter

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Yuri Danoyan wrote on Sep. 18, 2012 @ 16:26 GMT
Answer:No

Einstein's Moon

D. Song

School of Liberal Arts, Korea University of Technology and Education, Cheonan, 330-708, Korea

E-mail: dsong@koreatech.ac.kr

An account of the subjective elements of quantum mechanics and of whether, as Einstein's famously asked, the Moon exists when

nobody is looking at it.

PACS number: 03.65.Ta DOI: 10.3367/UFNr.0182.201209h.1013

Bibliographyì4 references Received 28 May 2012

Uspekhi Fizicheskikh Nauk 182 (9) 1013 ± 1014 (2012)

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Juan Ramón González Álvarez wrote on Sep. 23, 2012 @ 11:48 GMT
Dear Akbar Fahmi

The response to your question is "yes". The moon is there when nobody looks, for instance before the first human was born at Earth.

In his work "Does The Moon Exist Only When Someone Is Looking At It?" Raymond D. Bradley reports the history of how one of Einstein's young friends, Abraham Pais, asked him if he really believed that the moon existed only if he looked at...

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Sep. 28, 2012 @ 01:43 GMT
Dear Akbar Fahmi

Very interesting to see your essay.

Perhaps all of us are convinced that: the choice of yourself is right!That of course is reasonable.

So may be we should work together to let's the consider clearly defined for the basis foundations theoretical as the most challenging with intellectual of all of us.

Why we do not try to start with a real challenge is very close and are the focus of interest of the human science: it is a matter of mass and grain Higg boson of the standard model.

Knowledge and belief reasoning of you will to express an opinion on this matter:

You have think that: the Mass is the expression of the impact force to material (definition from the ABSOLUTE theory of me) - so no impact force, we do not feel the Higg boson - similar to the case of no weight outside the Earth's atmosphere.

Does there need to be a particle with mass for everything have volume? If so, then why the mass of everything change when moving from the Earth to the Moon? Higg boson is lighter by the Moon's gravity is weaker than of Earth?

The LHC particle accelerator used to "Smashed" until "Ejected" Higg boson, but why only when the "Smashed" can see it,and when off then not see it ?

Can be "locked" Higg particles? so when "released" if we do not force to it by any the Force, how to know that it is "out" or not?

You are should be boldly to give a definition of weight that you think is right for us to enjoy, or oppose my opinion.

Because in the process of research, the value of "failure" or "success" is the similar with science. The purpose of a correct theory be must is without any a wrong point ?

Glad to see from you comments soon,because still have too many of the same problems.

Kind Regards !

Hải.Caohoàng of THE INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS AND A CORRECT THEORY

August 23, 2012 - 11:51 GMT on this essay contest.

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Georgina Woodward wrote on Oct. 3, 2012 @ 10:05 GMT
Dear Akbar Fahmi,

I'm afraid your paper was too technical for me to properly appreciate. Though it was particularly interesting to read your concluding paragraph, outlining where you see this research leading and what it is necessary to consider. Amongst that list I saw reality, which is something to which I have given some thought. Good luck and kind regards, Georgina.

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Sergey G Fedosin wrote on Oct. 4, 2012 @ 05:52 GMT
If you do not understand why your rating dropped down. As I found ratings in the contest are calculated in the next way. Suppose your rating is
and
was the quantity of people which gave you ratings. Then you have
of points. After it anyone give you
of points so you have
of points and
is the common quantity of the people which gave you ratings. At the same time you will have
of points. From here, if you want to be R2 > R1 there must be:
or
or
In other words if you want to increase rating of anyone you must give him more points
then the participant`s rating
was at the moment you rated him. From here it is seen that in the contest are special rules for ratings. And from here there are misunderstanding of some participants what is happened with their ratings. Moreover since community ratings are hided some participants do not sure how increase ratings of others and gives them maximum 10 points. But in the case the scale from 1 to 10 of points do not work, and some essays are overestimated and some essays are drop down. In my opinion it is a bad problem with this Contest rating process. I hope the FQXI community will change the rating process.

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Member Benjamin F. Dribus wrote on Oct. 4, 2012 @ 18:54 GMT
Dear Akbar,

I enjoyed your essay, and I believe I will find your analysis quite useful for some of my own work. You frame the problem magnificently with excellent referencing and historical context. Although I am not quite clear on the exact scope of what you have proven (see below), your work rates highly in my opinion. A few more thoughts.

1. Thank you for the reference [31]...

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Ben wrote on Oct. 9, 2012 @ 13:18 GMT
Dear Akbar,

I'm a fellow contestant in the FQXi essay contest. I just read your essay

and posted some remarks on your thread. Since there had not been much

activity there recently, I decided to email you as well (it's a better

method of communication anyway).

I enjoyed your essay, and I believe I will find your analysis quite useful

for some of my own...

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Anonymous replied on Oct. 10, 2012 @ 12:44 GMT
Dear Ben,

Thank you a lot of for your attentions and comments. Please accept my apology for delay.

As you correctly mentioned, we reviewed all non-local hidden variable models which simulated quantum singlet state by non-local hidden variables. We derived inequalities which are based on these models and showed that they violated by quantum correlation function.

Unfortunately, my essay has typos at first paragraph of page 5 (is equal to one…), however, equation 6 and fig. 3 are correct.

As you mentioned at your essay, there are some physical models which are based on the Extra Dimensions and compactification of extra dimensions. However, please pay attention that these models take place at high energy physics (about 10^{18} Gev). I can accept your opinion if you find rationalization for it. In other words, how space-time microstructure is changed at low energy physics (about 1 kev)?

I am ready to see your work at more detail.

Thank you in advance

Sincerely yours.

Akbar

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