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TOPIC: Framework for a Classical Model of the Neutron, Proton, Electron and Photon by Ed Unverricht [refresh]

Author Ed Unverricht wrote on Jul. 2, 2012 @ 11:30 GMT
Essay Abstract

The world is assumed to be made of energy, and particles are assumed to be vortexes of spinning energy. Large empty spinning energy shells make up protons and neutrons. Electrons are much smaller, consisting of tiny spinning loops of energy. Periodic strings of energy that expand and contract as they fly through the air at the speed of light are photons. The "wave nature" of matter is modelled as a periodic internal process within the particle.

Author Bio

Ed Unverricht graduated with an honors BSc degree at the Univerity of Alberta specializing in mathematics and physics. He has pursued a career in computer programming with extensive experience in data storage and live animations. Animations started with gravitation using Newton's laws for earth bound objects and planetary systems. Since then, he has used a fixed grid and fixed time steps, similar to frames in a movie, to model particles and forces. Once the forces and objects acting in the grid are quantified in space and time, they can be tested to see if they match reality.

Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Jul. 3, 2012 @ 01:13 GMT
Dear Ed Unverricht,

I enjoyed your essay and was quite surprised to find that you included animations in your essay. Congratulations.

I also found your approach to particle physics interesting. I agree with you that particles are non-point entities, and also agree that a vortex-based approach is very promising, including the treatment of W bosons as vortices. Instead of your fixed grid and fixed time steps, I have employed the weak field equations of general relativity as the basis of such an approach. A popular-level treatment is found in The Chromodynamics War.

My current essay The Nature of the Wave Function assumes the existence of the particles and derives a theory of quantum mechanics based the weak field equations. I hope you have a chance read it and look forward to any comments.

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Alan Lowey wrote on Jul. 3, 2012 @ 09:41 GMT
Dear Ed Unverricht,

A superb essay! Well done. I totally agree with you that a classical explanation is the common sense answer to a t.o.e. I love your simulation models and was quickly struck by an immediate question "What is your explanation for Mercury's precession using such a classical model?".

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Author Ed Unverricht wrote on Jul. 3, 2012 @ 17:10 GMT

As you point out, with traditional physics, Newton's force laws allow gravity to be simulated, but start to fail both on the very large scale and on the very small scale. Specifically, the orbit of Mercury cannot be accurately predicted over time with these calculations. In fact, using the inverse square law implies that no two body orbit will have a "precession", yet many are observed.

You can see that here, click for planets where only Newton's inverse square law is used and where the aphelion (farthest point from sun) and perihelion (closest point to sun) never move.

Treating energy as having a fixed speed is ineffect, applying relativity to the calculations. You can see that here, click for precession where the aphelion and perihelion move with every orbit.

A very good fundamental explanation from mathmatics can be found here at mathpages.com.

Alan Lowey replied on Jul. 4, 2012 @ 11:32 GMT
Thank you for the further explanations Ed, but I'm struck by another immediate question, "Your models are in 2D and I'm currently exploring the importance of a 3D orbit w.r.t the 100ky glacial cycle. The up and down motion of the earth is also a 100ky cycle w.r.t the invariable plane, which is approximately the orbit of Jupiter. I have a hunch that gravitational tidal forces change w.r.t orbital inclination which would solve the problems with sunlight-only Milankovitch forcing models imo. I'd be grateful if you could give this idea some thought and let me know what your first impressions are please. Cheers.

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Frank Makinson wrote on Jul. 4, 2012 @ 18:32 GMT
Ed Unverricht,

One of the fundamental assumptions you use to form a basis for your essay has a somewhat older parallel. "2. Matter is confined energy and energy travels at the speed of light." One of my mentors, an Emeritus Professor of Electrical Engineering, since deceased, wrote in one of his publications that everything is a specialized form of energy. I learned later that this parallels the "Theory of Energetics," which was supported by Max Planck. It is my understanding that Max Planck never accepted the existence of material particles, he viewed them all as forms of energy.

Your photon description has some good and questionable parts.

"The photon is an unconstrained piece of connected energy with no mass." -Good-

"As it travels, it is expanding and contracting, allowing it to store both kinetic energy and spin angular moment." -Questionable-

Expanding and contracting can be readily explained by the photon traveling through areas with different permittivity. By default the photon stores energy, but spin angular momentum has to be the result of an initial field orientation or an alteration of a specific directional field polarization to circular by an intervening process.

For optical frequency photons, a specially shaped lens, that exploits Snell's law, can change a transverse wave, with a specific directional polarization, to one that has circular polarization, or as it is described in optical texts, having Orbital Angular Momentum (OAM). For producing standard radio frequency photons, phase delays between the source and antenna elements are used to create circular or elliptical polarizations.

Although we know how to produce and manipulate photons, it is my opinion we really don't understand the nature of their existence. For example, it seems there has to be an optimum ratio of permittivity to permeability for essentially loss-less propagation.

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Author Ed Unverricht replied on Jul. 4, 2012 @ 23:35 GMT
There is a very nice description of the periodic nature of light. In this Feynman lecture in New Zealand, around the 7:30 minute mark he is talking about light reflecting from a thin (or thick) film of glass. If it is an even wave number in thickness, the photon has a good chance of getting through. If it is some thickness off by 1/2 wavelength, more photons are reflected. In his words "A wave or something follows the particle and changes its disposition to be reflected".

Alan Lowey wrote on Jul. 9, 2012 @ 10:13 GMT
Hi Ed,

Is the Moon able to precess like the planets or is it's lack of spin a key factor in your opinion??

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Raja Panwar wrote on Sep. 18, 2012 @ 21:31 GMT
I found the essay to be stimulating and relatively easy to understand. Indeed, its an essay that I could have used with my Grade 12 Physics students when describing electrons and energy levels and the behaviour of photons. These qualitative descriptions were clear and would be highly effective in enabling high school physics students to better visualize and understand quantum behaviour.

Since Physics teachers read scientific articles and are always on the lookout for such papers, and given its clarity and accessibility, I would encourage the publishers to recognize this essay.

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Hoang cao Hai wrote on Sep. 19, 2012 @ 13:43 GMT
Dear

Very interesting to see your essay.

Perhaps all of us are convinced that: the choice of yourself is right!That of course is reasonable.

So may be we should work together to let's the consider clearly defined for the basis foundations theoretical as the most challenging with intellectual of all of us.

Why we do not try to start with a real challenge is very close and are the focus of interest of the human science: it is a matter of mass and grain Higg boson of the standard model.

Knowledge and belief reasoning of you will to express an opinion on this matter:

You have think that: the Mass is the expression of the impact force to material - so no impact force, we do not feel the Higg boson - similar to the case of no weight outside the Earth's atmosphere.

Does there need to be a particle with mass for everything have volume? If so, then why the mass of everything change when moving from the Earth to the Moon? Higg boson is lighter by the Moon's gravity is weaker than of Earth?

The LHC particle accelerator used to "Smashed" until "Ejected" Higg boson, but why only when the "Smashed" can see it,and when off then not see it ?

Can be "locked" Higg particles? so when "released" if we do not force to it by any the Force, how to know that it is "out" or not?

You are should be boldly to give a definition of weight that you think is right for us to enjoy, or oppose my opinion.

Because in the process of research, the value of "failure" or "success" is the similar with science. The purpose of a correct theory be must is without any a wrong point ?

Glad to see from you comments soon,because still have too many of the same problems.

Regard !

Hải.Caohoàng of THE INCORRECT ASSUMPTIONS AND A CORRECT THEORY

August 23, 2012 - 11:51 GMT on this essay contest.

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George wrote on Oct. 4, 2012 @ 05:09 GMT
Hi Ed,

I am shocked a little bit: =The particles are Wave-vortexes=. The same I am saying in mine work. I hope you will find there some thing more (you must go to full version of article) I have rated your work.

Best wishes to you.

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Sergey G Fedosin wrote on Oct. 4, 2012 @ 09:09 GMT
If you do not understand why your rating dropped down. As I found ratings in the contest are calculated in the next way. Suppose your rating is
$R_1$
and
$N_1$
was the quantity of people which gave you ratings. Then you have
$S_1=R_1 N_1$
of points. After it anyone give you
$dS$
of points so you have
$S_2=S_1+ dS$
of points and
$N_2=N_1+1$
is the common quantity of the people which gave you ratings. At the same time you will have
$S_2=R_2 N_2$
of points. From here, if you want to be R2 > R1 there must be:
$S_2/ N_2>S_1/ N_1$
or
$(S_1+ dS) / (N_1+1) >S_1/ N_1$
or
$dS >S_1/ N_1 =R_1$
In other words if you want to increase rating of anyone you must give him more points
$dS$
then the participant`s rating
$R_1$
was at the moment you rated him. From here it is seen that in the contest are special rules for ratings. And from here there are misunderstanding of some participants what is happened with their ratings. Moreover since community ratings are hided some participants do not sure how increase ratings of others and gives them maximum 10 points. But in the case the scale from 1 to 10 of points do not work, and some essays are overestimated and some essays are drop down. In my opinion it is a bad problem with this Contest rating process. I hope the FQXI community will change the rating process.

Sergey Fedosin

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