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May 26, 2022

Can Choices Curve Spacetime?

Two teams are developing ways to detect quantum-gravitational effects in the lab.

March 16, 2021

Gamma-Ray Burst

Observers might disagree on events in space due to quantum-gravitational effects.

Credit: Artist’s conception, NASA/Swift/Mary Pat Hrybyk-Keith/John Jones.

As bizarre as this sounds, the idea stems from frameworks that bring quantum mechanics—the physics governing the microscopic realm—into the spacetime picture. These are being given a fresh spin by two independent groups of physicists. Giovanni Amelino-Camelia, of the University of Naples Federico II, in Italy, is leading one approach to examine whether quantum-gravitational effects might one day be detectable, manifesting in the way that different observers, Alice and Bob, disagree about their measurements of the same events. Meanwhile Caslav Brukner, of the Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information in Vienna, Austria, and colleagues are calculating what would happen if Alice and Bob’s laboratories are themselves put into a quantum ’superposition’—in which the labs are in more than one physical state at the same time.

Amelino-Camelia’s project, which was awarded over $50,000 by FQXi, was inspired when he and his Naples colleague, Flavio Mercati, met physicists from a very different community at an FQXi workshop in Rome, in January 2018. On the one side Amelino-Camelia and Mercati have been working on the decades’ long pursuit of theories of quantum gravity. On the other side, Philipp Höhn of the Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology Graduate University, in Japan, and Markus Müller, of the Perimeter Institute in Vienna, Austria, are quantum information theorists investigating phenomena such as quantum communication, which is routinely demonstrated in the lab. "It looked to us that our different research programs were pointing in a common direction," says Amelino-Camelia. "But these sides of theoretical physics never talk to one another."

Ironically, their new project stems from a criticism Amelino-Camelia has of a program that he himself pioneered, and still contributes toward. Physicists have struggled for decades to unite Einstein’s theory of gravity, general relativity, with the physical theory governing the microscopic realm, quantum mechanics. One major issue has been that the arenas in which quantum-gravitational effects are predicted to come into play—in the very early universe or in the center of a black hole—seemed forever inaccessible to observations or experiments. But Amelino-Camelia’s research program initiated interest in examining whether it is feasible to detect the effects of quantum gravity today. For instance, he suggested that the tiny influence of quantum gravity could accumulate over vast distances and be detected in the arrival times of highly energetic photons from distant stars (

You will not be observing

the same set of stars in

the same places.

the same set of stars in

the same places.

- Giovanni Amelino-Camelia

This is where Höhn and Müller, who are experts on quantum information, come in. Quantum information theorists investigate protocols for sending and receiving particles in quantum communication experiments. For instance, physicists often use ’quantum teleportation,’ to transmit information from one quantum particle to another. At the workshop, Amelino-Camelia was struck by research presented by Höhn and Müller in which two observers—they are always called Alice and Bob—who are distant to one another, try to establish a common reference frame to compare their measurements (

But Höhn and Müller noticed a curious thing. They were not interested in investigating gravity, so they had not considered the spacetime that Alice and Bob were living in—be it flat or curved. Yet when they developed their simple picture of observers establishing a shared reference frame, they found the mathematics arising for a flat, classical spacetime, without having made any assumptions of having a spacetime in the first place. The quantum relativists, Amelino Camelia and Mercati, found this fascinating. "It was a lot of fun to talk to Giovanni (Amelino-Camelia) about this, because he was so excited and full of ideas," says Müller.

Momentum Space

To make sense of what was happening, Amelino-Camelia invokes an abstract four-dimensional ’space’ that describes energy on one axis and the components of the momentum (in the x, y, and z directions) on the other three axes, and thus is dubbed "momentum space" by physicists. Any object can be located on this four-dimensional grid based on its energy and momentum.

Giovanni Amelino-Camelia

University of Naples Federico II

Putting these two perspectives together, the teams wondered: what if the communications between Alice and Bob take into account this curvature of momentum space? Could this have some detectable consequences, such as ’fuzziness’ in their reference frame relations? The fuzziness would be minute, as it is related to quantum events on a tiny scale, says Höhn. "But the fascinating question that arises is whether it would have any physical consequences," he says.

The teams are now exploring whether fuzzy reference-frame transformations could have measurable effects in the lab, using quantum bits, or ’qubits.’ They are looking for operations that allow different observers to synchronize their description of qubits. "The fuzzy reference frame relations imply that different observers cannot sharply synchronize their reference frames as a fundamental principle," says Höhn.

Labs in Superposition

But there are other attempts to investigate how an observer’s reference frame can smear their perceptions of events in spacetime—by putting the observer’s labs into superposition. Superposition is a feature of quantum mechanics in which the physical aspects of quantum experiments, such as a particle’s position or momentum, are not well defined before they are measured. This is the quantum effect that allows an object to be in two places at the same time, before it is measured, or to exist in two different states simultaneously. Brukner and his colleagues have already outlined how atomic-scale clocks could be put into superposition, while exerting a gravitational influence on each other

Caslav Brukner

Institute for Quantum Optics and Quantum Information

But just imagining the possibility allows the team to pose the question: Are physical laws independent of where and when an experiment is performed in Bob’s laboratory—even though we cannot say definitely where and when it is located in spacetime? The independence of physical laws is one of the cornerstone principles of physics—"one of the most beautiful ideas in theoretical physics," in Brukner’s words. But does it always hold true?

A key part of the investigation is to find the right transformations between the different laboratory reference frames—what you would see if you jumped from one reference frame to another. "It turns out that when we jump into Bob’s reference frame, then Alice’s reference frame becomes smeared from Bob’s perspective, and vice versa," says Brukner. So what is quantum or not depends very much on the reference frame you are looking from.

The work is theoretical, but signs are good that the transformations predict what would be seen in the lab. "The most convincing part of the story, which tells us we are on the right track with our transformation, is that we can obtain or determine certain phenomena that we know or would observe in a real experiment, and we get that," says Brukner.

Others are impressed and keen to see how the project pans out. "I see Caslav (Brukner) as a pioneer and visionary of quantum physics," says Müller. "He has a feeling for the really important fundamental questions, and for how to address them in fruitful ways." The work partly motivated Müller to work on the topic himself and separately inspired physicist Lee Smolin of the Perimeter Institute in Waterloo, Ontario, to draft a paper (arXiv:2007.05957 (2020)). "By studying simple examples where the reference frame is described by a quantum state, they have discovered interesting new potential quantum phenomena which result from the states of the observers being superposed," says Smolin. "This is very interesting and suggests there may be an extension of the formalism of special relativity which incorporates them elegantly."

"Caslav (Brukner) is showing us doors," agrees Amelino-Camelia. "His work is now taking a very radical and exciting direction."

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STEVE DUFOURNY wrote on July 21, 2021

Hi Nicholas, I consider in my model and it is an intuitive intepretation , an assumption that I don t affirm. I consider an infinite eternal consciousness in 0D creating this universe in sending informations in series coded of 3D spheres from the central cosmological sphere , a kind of super matter energy in 3D. But I must say that we are limited about our assumptions that we cannot prove. All this is beyobnd our understanding still.

Hi Nicholas, I consider in my model and it is an intuitive intepretation , an assumption that I don t affirm. I consider an infinite eternal consciousness in 0D creating this universe in sending informations in series coded of 3D spheres from the central cosmological sphere , a kind of super matter energy in 3D. But I must say that we are limited about our assumptions that we cannot prove. All this is beyobnd our understanding still.

NICHOLAS I. HOSEIN wrote on July 21, 2021

You are the universe creating itself by observing itself. The physical body and matter appears to you (where physical laws act as restrictions on state from the nothing of which things are) and it is created by your conscious viewing and perceiving.

You are the universe creating itself by observing itself. The physical body and matter appears to you (where physical laws act as restrictions on state from the nothing of which things are) and it is created by your conscious viewing and perceiving.

NICHOLAS I. HOSEIN wrote on July 21, 2021

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By distributing the design phase of reality over the actualization phase, conspansive spacetime also provides a distributed mechanism for Intelligent Design, adjoining to the restrictive principle of natural selection a basic means of generating information and complexity. Addressing physical evolution on not only the biological but cosmic level,...

See http://megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

(continued...)

By distributing the design phase of reality over the actualization phase, conspansive spacetime also provides a distributed mechanism for Intelligent Design, adjoining to the restrictive principle of natural selection a basic means of generating information and complexity. Addressing physical evolution on not only the biological but cosmic level,...

See http://megafoundation.org/CTMU/Articles/Langan_CTMU_092902.pdf

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