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Heart of Darkness

An intrepid physicist attempts to climb into the core of black hole.

FQXi Awardees: Veronika Hubeny

July 23, 2014

Veronika Hubeny scales new heights in black hole research

Durham University

So, she was pondering something about the fundamental nature of time at five years of age? She laughs again, and says, "It’s of course a completely ill-defined question, and completely nonsensical, but I was very prone to getting intrigued by this sort of thing."

This might explain why Hubeny, who is now a physicist at Durham University in the UK, has spent her career asking fundamental questions about the nature of space and time. For example, where does the 4-dimensional fabric of spacetime—which Einstein told us pervades the universe—come from? Does it emerge from something more fundamental? No answers for such questions are forthcoming from his theory of gravity, general relativity, which is typically used to calculate how spacetime warps around massive bodies, like stars, but has little to say about what happens to it on the tiny scales inhabited by quantum particles. It is possible that when you zoom down even further to look at spacetime below this level, it breaks down. "We anticipate that classical spacetime, the continuous manifold of space and time, ceases to make sense at some small distances," says Hubeny.

Our notion of spacetime also disintegrates, according to general relativity, in the center of a black hole, known as a "singularity." What happens to an observer who falls into the black hole and encounters the singularity? "If you imagine a real life observer, that observer would die, but what happens to the stuff they are composed of?" says Hubeny. The answer could help physicists hunting for a theory of quantum gravity, which combines general relativity with the laws of quantum mechanics that dominate on small scales. "In general relativity, that stuff would end at the singularity, but in the full quantum gravity, something has to happen," Hubeny says.

I never had the feeling

growing up that there are

questions you don’t ask.

growing up that there are

questions you don’t ask.

- Veronika Hubeny

Some real-life giants of physics have influenced her quest to answer such questions. Just when she started on her PhD at the University of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB), something seminal happened in field of string theory, the branch of physics that posits that elementary particles are composed of tiny loops of energy that vibrate in multiple dimensions. Physicist Juan Maldacena came up with a now eponymous conjecture tying together the mathematical descriptions of gravity and quantum field theory, using strings.

Maldecena pictured a special kind of space that exists in 5 dimensions (a maximally-symmetric negatively curved spacetime), which contains strings, black holes, and gravity. On the 4-dimensional surface of this space, live quantum particles—sans gravity—obeying the laws of quantum field theory. Maldacena’s striking claim was that the string theory describing what happens within this 5-dimensional space, is mathematically equivalent to a 4-dimensional quantum field theory describing what happens on the surface. "Such theories are referred to as holographic correspondences, because one side of the duality lives in fewer dimensions," says Hubeny. (See "The Cosmic Hologram.")

To answer questions about the emergence of spacetime and the fate of someone falling into a black hole, physicists like Hubeny want to solve the equations of the 5-dimensional string theory that describe the gravity-filled space within the volume. Unfortunately, however, they are quite intractable. Here’s where the duality comes in: You first recast the questions using the non-gravitational field theory of the surface, and solve them without having to deal with weird black-hole singularities. Then you translate the answer back to the 5-dimensional theory. Of course, it’s easier said than done. "The basic prerequisite is that we need to understand the dictionary," says Hubeny. "How do you translate from the string theory to the field theory side and vice-versa?"

Disentangling Spacetime

One way to translate between the two has become clear in recent years: There are hints, from work done by Leonard Susskind, Maldacena, and FQXi grant winner Mark Van Raamsdonk and others, that the geometry of spacetime within the 5-dimensional volume is related to quantum entanglement, on the 4-dimensional boundary surface, which links distant particles or regions so that their properties become permanently intertwined. (See "The Quantum Dictionary.") "You can sort of build spacetime by entangling the regions or you can decrease the amount of spacetime by disentangling,” says Hubeny.

In a similar vein, Hubeny, along with Mukund Rangamani, also at Durham, and Tadashi Takayanagi, at Kyoto University in Japan, have been investigating a boundary quantity called the "entanglement entropy"—a measure of the number of independent physical parameters in the field theory for that region. In particular, they have shown that this quantity is related to the area of an "extremal" surface in the bulk volume.

Beyond the Horizon

Could a mathematical trick help astrophysicists peer into the heart of a black hole?

Credit: NASA, and M. Weiss (Chandra X -ray Center)

So, now, we have a boundary quantity, the entanglement entropy, that can be used to study the area of the extremal surface inside the bulk, which in turn is related to the geometry of the bulk. "Particularly interesting bits of geometry are where it starts breaking down," says Hubeny, such as in the interior of a black hole. While Hubeny had shown in 2012 that an extremal surface cannot penetrate a static black hole, she and her student Henry Maxfield conjectured that it just might penetrate a dynamically evolving black hole. The question was: can an extremal surface get to the black hole singularity? "If they penetrated arbitrarily close, we could hope to use entanglement entropy directly to study how the singularity gets resolved," says Hubeny.

However, their hopes were dashed. Their calculations showed that, unfortunately, extremal surfaces do not get close enough to the singularity (arXiv:1312.6887v3). "So, unsurprisingly, we as a community have to work harder to tease out the most interesting bits," says Hubeny.

We could hope to use

entanglement entropy

directly to study how

the singularity gets

resolved.

entanglement entropy

directly to study how

the singularity gets

resolved.

- Veronika Hubeny

Joe Polchinksi, also of UCSB, agrees. "Entanglement is the most mysterious part of quantum mechanics," he says. "Hubeny has contributed many important insights to this subject, especially concerning the black hole interior and its spacetime singularity."

Understanding the innards of a black hole and its spacetime singularity is quite a mountain to climb, but Hubeny is not deterred. She’s happy about her choice to pursue physics rather than become a mountain guide. "It was clear to me that my questions wouldn’t let me go," she says. Mountains, however, remain dear to her. "I like mountains even more than before."

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Hello,

I have made a theoretical as well as an empirical scientific discovery of quantum gravity and quantum antigravity.

Present quantum gravity theories suffer from too many space dimensions, and from too few experiments that could provide conclusive verifying, or falsifying empirical evidence. On the contrary, my hypothesis is simple, clear, and easily empirically verifiable:

https://quantumantigravity.wordpress.com

Should anybody need clarification, I am more than...

FRANK MARTIN DIMEGLIO wrote on March 19, 2016

Black holes involve full inertia (inertial resistance) that is in balance with full gravity. (Outer space involves full inertia. It is fully invisible, and it is black.) The inertial resistance is understood as involving the gravity. This is the most fundamental law/truth in all of physics: INERTIAL RESISTANCE is proportional to gravitational force/energy. This is true in the case of black holes. Most importantly, this law/truth balances gravity and inertia.

Black holes involve full inertia (inertial resistance) that is in balance with full gravity. (Outer space involves full inertia. It is fully invisible, and it is black.) The inertial resistance is understood as involving the gravity. This is the most fundamental law/truth in all of physics: INERTIAL RESISTANCE is proportional to gravitational force/energy. This is true in the case of black holes. Most importantly, this law/truth balances gravity and inertia.

SRIDATTADEV KANCHARLA wrote on December 8, 2014

Dear Hubeny,

Please see the absolute mathematical singularity of zero = i = infinity explained in the blog Any Body Can Derive Everything From Geometry.

Love,

Sridattadev Kancharla.

Dear Hubeny,

Please see the absolute mathematical singularity of zero = i = infinity explained in the blog Any Body Can Derive Everything From Geometry.

Love,

Sridattadev Kancharla.

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