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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri wrote on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 15:58 GMT
Essay Abstract

Mathematics by themselves cannot wonder towards a goal as they represent only inert symbols invented by humans with implied meanings, still residing in the human brains. The biological entities do have goals, from virus to humans. The goal of the human engineered mathematical theory of physics is to help us understand the ontological reality by mapping the interaction processes. This will help us become better innovative engineers and solve problems that enhance our survival goal while ameliorating threats to sustainability of the biosphere. Hence, we should adopt evolution process congruent thinking into our current mathematical epistemology.

Author Bio

ChandraSekhar Roychoudhuri is now a retired Research Professor at the University of Connecticut. He has held various research positions in industries (TRW, Perkin Elmer and United Technologies) for 14 years. Chandra has developed a very wide range of interests both in Nature Engineering (Physics, Chemistry, etc.) and in Social Engineering (economics, politics, etc.); almost everything that is heavily influencing and directing human social evolution. He has re-discover Non-Interaction Waves (NIW), a generalized property of all waves; which we have been neglecting for centuries. He has recently published the book, “Causal Physics: Photon Model by Non-Interaction of Waves” [CRC, 2014].

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri wrote on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 19:03 GMT
I will be delighted to see critical comments on my essay, "Empower Mathematical Equations Using Evolution Process Congruent Thinking". This will allow the evolution of my thinking logics in stead of staying stuck with my current state thinking.

Chandra




Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 01:53 GMT
Dear Chandrasekhar

It is a pleasure to see your essay here - having previously appreciated your unique talent both for proposing fascinating new physics concepts, and presenting them humbly, patiently explaining things while relating them to the wider context of both cosmic and human existence and goals. These qualities are fully evident in your present essay. You have remained faithful to...

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 20:19 GMT
Dear Valdimir:

I deeply value your appreciation and praise for my essay. I will have to read carefully your previous essay in the FQXi forum to appreciate your contribution further. But, let me make a comment on your comment here (quoted below, first);

“I concluded that since the brain evolved from primitive organisms that themselves interacted with molecular forces, the physical...

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Vladimir F. Tamari replied on Mar. 22, 2017 @ 01:56 GMT
Thanks Chandra for reiteration your positions relating to the details of wave supeposition and the mind etc. - depending on our models we may be talking along the same lines ... or not - I could not decide which at this moment. More power to you.

Vladimir

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Chip Akins wrote on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 22:05 GMT
Hello Chandra

I am quite pleased, and impressed by your essay.

You clearly stated things which I had been thinking but have not found a way to express so powerfully and succinctly.

For our future, and our progress, we need to recognize that our working theories are not hallowed and unshakable, but just the best we have done so far. We have that instinct to do better, and we should. Holding onto our "popular" theories at all cost can and is hindering our ability to broaden our understanding and a more accurate perception of nature.

You have made this and other important points so elegantly.

Thank you.

Chip Akins

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 23:43 GMT
Many thanks, Chip, I do appreciate your positive comments.

Chandra.



Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 17, 2017 @ 15:59 GMT
Dear Professor Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri replied on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 17:11 GMT
Dear Joe Fisher:

I have quickly read your essay. You have raised some interesting points.

It is obvious that we think differently and model the perceptible universe differently. This is very healthy because none of us can understand everything we see. However, by comparing and contrasting or models we can keep on arrive at better models of the universe as we keep on evolving. In Plato’s allegorical story of imprisoned cave-dwelling people, the prisoners are making a model of the external universe based on the shadows cast inside the cave. All our experimental data are like Plato’s shadows. Now, we can apply the Indian allegorical story about how five blind people make reasonably realistic model of an elephant by comparing and integrating their notes generated by touching the elephant at different parts of its body. Therefore, the combination of the stories of the “Cave People” and the “Blind People” help us keep on iteratively enhancing our knowledge of the universe. This iterative approach is the best approach to allow the evolution of our mind and the evolution of our models of the universe.

I see and perceive the world as three-dimensional. You have concluded by saying:

“The real Universe consists only of one unified visible infinite surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.”

Unfortunately, I am unable to integrate this model in my 3D perception.

You have also underscored simplicity as a key to understanding the universe. An amoeba’s survival skills and repertoire are complex emergent properties out of billions of molecules working in harmony that are still beyond our accurate modeling capacity.

Sincerely,

ChandraSekhar.




Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 17, 2017 @ 22:04 GMT
Nice essay Prof Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri,

Your ideas and thinking are excellent for eg…

‘1. Interpretations of Quantum Mechanics is still wandering and evolving. Critical opinions published by Schrodinger and Einstein have actually gave birth to a completely new sub-field of entanglement with many engineering implications.

2. The depth of thought, which goes into the...

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Mar. 18, 2017 @ 05:46 GMT
Dear Чандрасекар Roychoudhuri

I appreciate your essay. You spent a lot of effort to write it. If you believed in the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes, then your essay would be even better. There is not movable a geometric space, and is movable physical space. These are different concepts.

I inform all the participants that use the electronic translator, therefore, my essay is written badly. I participate in the contest to familiarize English-speaking scientists with New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the principle of identity of space and matter. Combining space and matter into a single essence, the New Cartesian Physic is able to integrate modern physics into a single theory. Let FQXi will be the starting point of this Association.

Don't let the New Cartesian Physic disappear! Do not ask for himself, but for Descartes.

New Cartesian Physic has great potential in understanding the world. To show potential in this essay I risked give "The way of The materialist explanation of the paranormal and the supernatural" - Is the name of my essay.

Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. After you give a post in my topic, I shall do the same in your theme

Sincerely,

Dizhechko Boris

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basudeba mishra wrote on Mar. 23, 2017 @ 15:32 GMT
Dear Sir,

Your reference to the questions about the nature of mass is important and timely. QM and its extensions are wandering to solve many problems, but without any direction. The various competing theories and interpretations impede progress. One such area is mass, “evolving from material content in a body to the assembly of stable elementary particles, representing “pure energy”...

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri replied on Mar. 23, 2017 @ 20:58 GMT
Dear Basudeba:

I appreciate your positively inclined comments. Thank you!

I am a hard-core experimentalist. You appear to be a thoughtful theoretician. It is obvious from your very carefully written essay. We have a major commonality that modern physics has deviated from seeking ontological reality. The transformation would require forming new-dedicated research group....

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Peter Jackson wrote on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 16:49 GMT
ChandraSekhar,

I haven't even finished reading your essay yet, but excellent, and I think you really will appreciate reading mine.

I look forward to discussing.

Peter

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Peter Jackson replied on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 17:43 GMT
ChandraSekhar,

That was so great I read it twice! I pulled off sentences I really liked, but I seem to have much of the essay! Lets just say I agree and applaud about all, and, shockingly, have some mega breakthrough answers you'll love to test. See some of the recent blog comments too, and the video links.

I hope you get there in time to score it too! Yours was going to get a well deserved 30 but apparently I could only give it 10! Sorry for that.

Very best.

Peter

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri replied on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 18:12 GMT
Peter: I have read your article. It is a scholarly article with strong bent towards intellectual logician. We have both agreements and dis-agreements. I can learn a lot from you; which means we can collaborate and complement each other, if you want. Chandra.Roychoudhuriatuconn.edu. You can also download some of my selected papers from http://www.natureoflight.org/CP/. Specifically, I would suggest down load the paper "2014.2". It explains my methodology of thinking in more detail.

"At present we're wandering in the dark. We do know physical motion and interactions exist, but we won't know if any algorithm is correct

until we fully understand the mechanisms."

AGREE.

My methodology of thinking is that we must implement Interaction Process Mapping Epistemology (IPM-E) over and above the prevailing Data Modeling Epistemology (MDM-E).



"Our brains themselves are part of the system as part of the observer."

DISAGREE.

Human brain is only the interpreter. It is physically separate and independent of the data-generating instrument where the interaction processes are going on (invisible to us; and that is the problem. Counter example: Unless, of course, you are analyzing your own brain. Say, you inside an fMRI machine and interactively trying to interpret the images while the images are dynamically changing as your logical brain is WANDERING to find the intellectually most pleasing solution.

Again, thanks for writing an excellent article.

ChandraSekhar Roychoudhuri



Peter Jackson replied on Apr. 17, 2017 @ 13:18 GMT
Chandra,

I posted the reply below on the 7th in response to the copy of the above post on my string. I haven't yet had a response to my request (on your linked page -as below) for a copy of the 2014.2 paper you suggested. If you can't find my request please send it here; pj.ukc.edu@physics.org I greatly look forward to reading and discussing it.

Very Best. Peter.

COPY OF 7.4.17 POST;

Fantastic, thanks. (Chandra.. Raman was a hero of mine).

Yes, I agree. I'll have to check the context of my 'brain' comment as I've pre agreed your description. See; fqxi 2012 7th. to see how it matches up.

I've also hit your link and the 2014.2 button, (live here); www.natureoflight.org/CP/

Anybody reading this please look at Chandra's essay and score it up as it really should be a finalist!

Empower Mathematical Equations Using Evolution Process Congruent Thinking.

I'm away at a wedding this weekend so I'll read 2014.2 and we can talk next week. I'm sure I have much to learn from you too.

Very best of luck in the run-in

Peter

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 03:05 GMT
Dear Sirs!

Physics of Descartes, which existed prior to the physics of Newton returned as the New Cartesian Physic and promises to be a theory of everything. To tell you this good news I use spam.

New Cartesian Physic based on the identity of space and matter. It showed that the formula of mass-energy equivalence comes from the pressure of the Universe, the flow of force which on the corpuscle is equal to the product of Planck's constant to the speed of light.

New Cartesian Physic has great potential for understanding the world. To show it, I ventured to give "materialistic explanations of the paranormal and supernatural" is the title of my essay.

Visit my essay, you will find there the New Cartesian Physic and make a short entry: "I believe that space is a matter" I will answer you in return. Can put me 1.

Sincerely,

Dizhechko Boris

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 11:56 GMT
Dear Chandrasekhar,

With great interest I read your essay, which of course is worthy of high rating. Excellently written.

I agree with you

«This will help us become better innovative engineers and solve problems that enhance our survival goal while ameliorating threats to sustainability of the biosphere. Hence, we should adopt evolution process congruent thinking into our current mathematical epistemology.»

«My proposal is to incorporate the Interaction Process Mapping Epistemology … in physics thinking to empower the prevailing … approach.»


And I tried to implement it.

I wish you success in the contest.

Kind regards,

Vladimir

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 18:14 GMT
Chandrasekhar,

I believe your MDM-E approach might incorporate my idea expressed in my essay of a field-level speculation regarding the nature of dark matter and perhaps allowing discoveries like the supervoid challenging orthodox views arising from the CMB.

I interpret you statement: "We must consciously promote more frequent challenges to our working theories, whether meant for Nature Engineering (physics, chemistry, biology, etc.), or Social Engineering (politics, economics, religions, etc.) to assure that we are not getting trapped on our old success rut that have become incongruent with our sustainable evolution." in this manner.

I would like to hear your views on my essay concepts.

Regards,

Jim Hoover

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 18:19 GMT
Dear Jim Hoover:

Many thanks for appreciating my essay.

I am on travel for several days.

Upon return I will read your essay and comment.

ChandraSekhar Roychoudhuri



James Lee Hoover replied on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 19:52 GMT
Chandrasekhar,

This is probably the most important goal of the contest, to share ideas. Ratings are secondary.

Jim

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Author Chandrasekhar Roychoudhuri replied on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 19:57 GMT
Yes, Jim:

This is an excellent platform to meet deep thinking people from whom we can learn many new things and identify our own personal biases.

Chandra.



James Lee Hoover replied on Apr. 8, 2017 @ 01:09 GMT
Chandra,

Enjoy your travel. Hope to see you next time.

Jim

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