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CATEGORY: Wandering Towards a Goal Essay Contest (2016-2017) [back]
TOPIC: Quantum Entanglement and Intentionality by CHI MING HUNG [refresh]

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Author Chi Ming Hung wrote on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 16:38 GMT
Essay Abstract

Even though Quantum Mechanics is nondeterministic in nature, at first glance it does not seem to leave room for human intentions. It is suggested here that this may not be true when we consider special cases of quantum entanglement.

Author Bio

Chi Ming Hung has a Ph.D. in theoretical nuclear physics and is currently a staff member of the C.N. Yang Institute for Theoretical Physics in Stony Brook, NY. He is fond of spherical cows.

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Steve Dufourny wrote on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 18:14 GMT
lol interesting jedi of the Sphere,

Let's make a little of humous, did you know that cats and dogs are spherical and that in fact china and usa also shall be spherised like your sciences lol

now Me I fond of the Stony Brook spherical future,

and you ,

about your papper, interesting generality about intentions and neurons and decoherences of wavefunction.

I see that Junga and freud are in you.The informations always and still and these parmaters of adaptation dancing aroundf our minds in function of environments.What abolut the universal alrruism compared to this egoist stupidity where the jealouisy and the hate are the sisters of ironies.The psychology and this collective consciousness which shows us the truths.Isn't it ? relative spherisation Jedi of Sphere, relative always and rational and deterministic and irreversible LOL I love this Platform ,not you ?

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Steve Dufourny replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 18:19 GMT
The chaos and the disorders say to harmony that in fact the pure irreversible entropical Arrow of time is a beautiful road of ,optimisation with or withjouit the approvements of us poor humans in fact.Like If I said that schizos are just illuminated forgetting the essential, the coherence converging towards this universal equilibrium.

The disorders and chaos can be harmonised .....

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Author Chi Ming Hung replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 21:25 GMT
Thanks for your comments fellow fan of spherical things :)

Steve Dufourny replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 22:46 GMT
:)you are welcome Jedi of the SPHERE lol

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Héctor Daniel Gianni wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 23:14 GMT
Dear Chi Ming Hung

I invite you and every physicist to read my work “TIME ORIGIN,DEFINITION AND EMPIRICAL MEANING FOR PHYSICISTS, Héctor Daniel Gianni ,I’m not a physicist.

How people interested in “Time” could feel about related things to the subject.

1) Intellectuals interested in Time issues usually have a nice and creative wander for the unknown.

2) They usually enjoy this wander of their searches around it.

3) For millenniums this wander has been shared by a lot of creative people around the world.

4) What if suddenly, something considered quasi impossible to be found or discovered such as “Time” definition and experimental meaning confronts them?

5) Their reaction would be like, something unbelievable,… a kind of disappointment, probably interpreted as a loss of wander…..

6) ….worst than that, if we say that what was found or discovered wasn’t a viable theory, but a proved fact.

7) Then it would become offensive to be part of the millenary problem solution, instead of being a reason for happiness and satisfaction.

8) The reader approach to the news would be paradoxically adverse.

9) Instead, I think it should be a nice welcome to discovery, to be received with opened arms and considered to be read with full attention.

11)Time “existence” is exclusive as a “measuring system”, its physical existence can’t be proved by science, as the “time system” is. Experimentally “time” is “movement”, we can prove that, showing that with clocks we measure “constant and uniform” movement and not “the so called Time”.

12)The original “time manuscript” has 23 pages, my manuscript in this contest has only 9 pages.

I share this brief with people interested in “time” and with physicists who have been in sore need of this issue for the last 50 or 60 years.

Héctor

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Author Chi Ming Hung replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 17:58 GMT
Dear Héctor, thanks for commenting.

Shaikh Raisuddin wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 06:45 GMT
Chi Ming Hung

There are many concepts about which have to precisely state in terms of their physicality.

Intention is an agitation of matter due to state of shortage or surplus of something physical.

Goal-directed behaviour is multi-participant phenomenon.

The participants are to be disciplined by relationship of interconnectedness.

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Author Chi Ming Hung replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 17:59 GMT
Dear Shaikh Raisuddin, thanks for commenting.

Steve Dufourny replied on Mar. 21, 2017 @ 08:05 GMT
disciplined does not mean that a person encircles this universal altruism like a torch of truth.If all people were like Jesus christ and buddhah of course we d have a better planet.The vanity also must be taken into account.I have discussed with so many people thinking thyat they were universal and humble in front of this infinite entropy but no they are not.The human interactions are complex and the psychology is a big puzzle but we have informations whih are more important than others.Personaly I never crush a bee or an insect.It is a kind of respect of créations.The rest seems vain, .....Universal love, not need of an explaination for a thing so universal and simple....

Regards

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Conrad Dale Johnson wrote on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 13:58 GMT
Dear Dr. Hung, (or Chi?)

As soon as I saw your essay, I marked it on my list as “very interesting – must read and interpret.” Unfortunately, though I’m still very interested after reading it, I’m not very clear as to what you’re saying. It seems that you’re using “intentionality” in the philosophical sense, as when we say consciousness is always “of something.” But the phrase “intended outcome” confused me, since that usually means “what we want to happen.” Since you say “whenever the intention occurs, so does the intended outcome,” perhaps the word “intended” here has the meaning of “perceived”?

I do have some idea of what your equations mean, but it would help if you explained a bit further “how entanglement can be built up from simpler entanglements.” Especially since you call it “rather miraculous,” I’d like to understand just what’s special about “the right kind of quantum entanglement” represented in Eq. 1.

Likewise in section 4.1, because I’m fuzzy about the meaning of “intentionality” here in the first place, I don’t know what to think about it at a “rudimentary level” where the word “has already lost a lot of its original meaning.”

One of the topics of my essay is the role of measurement in QM, so I’m particularly interested in the ways systems can be correlated prior to measurement, i.e. entangled. But if “intended” means something like “perceived”, it would seem to be a measurement that breaks the entanglement… hence my confusion here. I hope you can help me clear it up.

Thanks – Conrad

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Author Chi Ming Hung replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 17:56 GMT
Dear Conrad,

Thanks for taking the time to read my essay and for your thoughtful questions.

Since I'm not a philosopher, what I meant by "intentionality" is the first definition you'll find in a dictionary, namely "the fact of being deliberate or purposive", and likewise "intended" and "intended outcomes" etc. have their usual meaning.

I guess Eq.1 in my...

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Conrad Dale Johnson replied on Mar. 16, 2017 @ 13:15 GMT
Ming -- thanks very much for the helpful explanation. As a philosopher maybe it should have been clear to me that your "miraculous" entanglement was overcoming the Cartesian dualism of mind and body, which makes perfect sense in the context of this contest. But in fact, I needed the apple.

So I was right that this is very interesting. Even if we don't yet have an explanation of the kind of entanglement that constitutes "intending", it's surely intriguing that we can chase it "all the way down." Your comment about evolution makes sense, and I hope you'll find in my essay a suggestion about the kind of explanation that might work here.

Conrad

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Joe Fisher wrote on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 16:09 GMT
Dear Dr. CHI MING HUNG,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Chi Ming Hung replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 18:00 GMT
Dear Joe, thanks for commenting.

Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 17, 2017 @ 06:38 GMT
Dear Chi Ming Hung,

Nice essay about intentions and neurons and decoherences of wavefunction and Spherical_Cows!

Your ideas and thinking are excellent for eg… “In section 3.1 we see how complex entanglements can be built up from simpler ones, but so does intentionality, since we've identi_ed intentionality with the entanglement between the mind and environmental states. This...

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Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Mar. 23, 2017 @ 02:51 GMT
Dear Chi Ming Hung

It may surprise you to hear views that probability is not fundamental in QM but emerges from some wrong premises about duality. Gerard 't Hooft in his new book proposes that QM emerges from Cellular Automata which by definition are not probabilistic. These matters are explored in my fqxi essay where I suggest that - ironically - the whole probabilistic nonsense originated from Einstein's false description of the photon as a point in space.

In my rudimentary ToE Beautiful Universe Model there is no probability, and entanglement is enacted through a causal, linear universal lattice of node-to-node interactions.

I value your feedback and wish you all the best you all the best,

Vladimir

Vladimir Tamari

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