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Author James Gordon Stanfield wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 16:35 GMT
Essay Abstract

The effectiveness of math is reasonable only to the extent that the assumption that math is taken to be a discovery is reasonable. Starting with the metaphysical assumption that the Abstract Realm of Mathematics (ARM) ‘predates’ the beginning of the physical universe, this leads to a logical progression from abstract logical supervenience and emergence through physical supervenience and emergence. Starting from the premise that space and time are as discrete as mass and energy, it would naturally follow that these building blocks of nature would follow the mathematical logic of all that is countable. The universe did not spring from nothing. It had an infinite number of steps to develop its potential configurations. Teleological bias enters as the conjugate attribute of existential threat experienced by any critically self-organized complex adaptive system with skin in the game.

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Jim Stanfield: Associate Engineer - Mechanical Designer - Retired from SLAC National Accelerator Laboratory, Formerly Stanford Linear Accelerator Center

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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 20:20 GMT
Very interesting James,

I like what you are saying very much. You went off the rails a couple of times, but I would be disingenuous not to give you a high rating, as you make some of the same points I make in my own essay. I also talk about the abstract realm of Math as pre-existing wrt the physical universe and its laws. As it turns out; I mention the idea that unifying matter and energy makes QM and unifying space and time makes Relativity, in my very first FQXi essay, and I like the resolution to the QM Relativity impasse you propose. So there are the pluses.

The word orbifold is already in use (using 'i' not 'a'), and invoking Yau's name without his being part of the definition of the object may be improper. Likewise with Mandelbrot, though I get the implication you are making. You are talking about something that has not been discovered or strictly defined yet. I've talked with some people who like the 'atoms of space' concept a lot. You might appreciate Lee Smolin's work on energetic causal sets, which he presented at GR21. I speak to some of the Planck scale issues you raise in my own essay, and indeed that was the main topic of my conversation with Tevian Dray, which was a major inspiration for what I wrote.

I hope we can compare note further.

More later,

Jonathan

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Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 21:07 GMT
Sorry Jim,

It looks like immediately after I boosted your score, someone came by and gave you a zinger. The worst part is; they probably never even read your essay.

All the Best,

Jonathan

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Stefan Weckbach wrote on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 03:59 GMT
Dear Jim Stanfield,

interesting essay, although with some leaps of faith in it in my opinion. I like your description of the rubber sheet, which shows that spacetime, if continous, must be very twisted at the lower scales because all that has mass contributes to its shape.

I am not entirely sure whether you take mathematics as a platonic realm or as something that was created (surely...

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Stefan Weckbach replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 15:28 GMT
I now begin to rate the essays i read so far. Since yours is - in my opinion - underrated, i will give it a more realistic rating, compared to the other contributions. Although i think that my critizism holds, i should give you something like a 6. I do not compensate the zinger you received, if Jonathan is right with his comment above, because this would confuse the whole ranking system and obscure the comparison to other essays. So with a 6 you should arrive at something like 4.3 according to 4 votings. Anyways, your attempt is sensible, but i think not sufficient to prove some teleological bias.

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james r. akerlund wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 00:56 GMT
Hi Jim,

I read your interesting submission and if I had excepted its premise (math predates universe) I would give it high marks. But I don't except its premise because I was working on the very same idea years ago and I found out where the idea fails. If you disagree on my conclusion, please tell me where I went wrong.

The stumbling block for me concerning the idea that math...

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Joe Fisher wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 16:32 GMT
Dear James Gordon Stanfield,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 06:01 GMT
Nice essay Stanfield,

Your ideas and thinking are excellent like…

The effectiveness of math is reasonable only to the extent that the assumption that math is taken to be a discovery is reasonable. Starting with the metaphysical assumption that the Abstract Realm of Mathematics (ARM) ‘predates’ the beginning of the physical universe

You are considering expanding...

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