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Author Rene Ahn wrote on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 16:52 GMT
Essay Abstract

We do not see intentions in nature outside of biology. So we may be able to understand how intentions may arise in nature, and how physical systems fold relevant information about non local circumstances into local processes and structures by studying the way in which biological structures obtain and handle information. We show how, apart from the discretisation introduced at the quantum level, notions like fixed-points, encodings, decodings, reference, autocatalysis, the creation and expansion of boundaries, noise, and the computation of expectation values, all seem to play their role.

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René Ahn is a former assistant professor in the Designed Intelligence Group at the Department of Industrial Design at the Eindhoven University of Technology. He has an MSc in physics. He has been employed at Philips Research Laboratories, Tilburg University, and the Institute of Perception Research (IPO) where he worked on subjects like automated deduction, computational semantics, agents, and intelligent interfaces. In 2001 he gained a PhD from the institute of programming research and algorithmics at the Eindhoven University of Technology. He is at present independent and his current interests are in adaptive algorithms and reinforcement learning.

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Daniel de França Diniz Rocha wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 02:01 GMT
Dear Rene,

I think your essay touched points of view similar to my essay:

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2846

I tried to focus on the "primitive oceans", as a system that could process information by autocalasys, where which some systems formed simple chemical clocks. I chose such systems because they are the most primitive thing that I could think of that resembles something that can attribute a meaning (I don't use this a word in my essay), by reacting to external modifications of environment. I try to explain there how to approach the RNA world, as a 1.consequence way to avoid turbulence, as the systems infiltrated alkaline hydrothermal vents 2.by piling adenosine, which is linked to molecules related to energy storage or its processsing, like ATP, ADP or CoA, so I think bean RNA was a way to store energy.

You talk about memory, which it seems interesting given that, the phenotype expression, helps conserve it along millions of it, by making some structures geometrically conservative, but selected for great malleability. As complexity grows, the "phenotype memory", passed to encephalitic power, which improved the response of organisms to change. It was a similar revolution just like the appearance of sexual reproduction, or life itself.

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Author Rene Ahn replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 02:26 GMT
Dear Daniel,

Thank you very much for your interest, I have just downloaded your Essay, looking forward to reading it, it may take some time for me to respond, it is already getting quite late over here.

Clocks are interesting objects, in a way, I have already seen references to them in various essays, (When I started peeking a little here and there...) and most self replicating systems (SRS) obviously also need some timing mechanisms. Time plays a very important role in the whole story, indeed, a long story, billions of years, hard to compress into 9 pages, I daresay. :-)

You'll hear from me.



Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 17:16 GMT
Dear Professor Rene Ahn,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 11:49 GMT
Nice essay Prof Rene Ahn,

Your ideas and thinking are excellent.

1. Living beings may have intentions. Complex living beings may have sophisticated intentions

…………………… You are exactly correct!

2. And humans, especially when they work in teams, have a remarkable ability to imagine highly structured possible futures, to make choices between them, to make...

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Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 22:50 GMT
Hi Rene,

I like your essay. One part stood out for me as being interesting and original. "Nature thereby offers us "a grid" of attractor states, and states have a tendency to "snap to the grid"". I like the concept of snapping to the grid.

I summarize your conclusion as "we really do not know about what creates intention". In my essay I say indirectly "we really, really, really, do not know what creates choice".

Take a look at my essay, I think you may enjoy it.

Thanks for your thoughtful essay,

Don Limuti

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