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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote on Mar. 3, 2017 @ 20:13 GMT
Essay Abstract

This essay begins by endeavouring to ask the question "How can mindless mathematical laws give rise to aims and intentions" but quickly runs into difficulties with the question itself (not least that there is an implication that there is no current mathematical law that may be considered to be "mindful"), which requires some in-depth exploration. I then explore what constitutes "Creative Intelligence" - coming to a surprising conclusion that concurs with Maharish Mahesh Yogi's definition.

Author Bio

Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton is primarily known as a Software Libre Engineer, Advocate and Reverse-Engineer, specialising and focussing presently on developing Eco-conscious Computing Appliances.

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Ines Samengo wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 11:53 GMT
Hi, Luke, I have just read your essay. I believe that the points that you list as the rules of reverse engineering are indeed the base of learning theory. So if you want, the operation that I argue that brains do is, within your framework, reverse engineering.

Regarding the other aspects of your essay, I am afraid that I am ill equipped to discuss them as a peer. I am not an expert in the foundations of physics, nor quantum mechanics, and even less, of non-western views of the world. I am actually far from being able to respond to your evolved question. But in any case, I enjoyed reading your essay, because the style was relaxed and accessible. And you provided me with new material to think, which is always great. Thanks!

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 13:54 GMT
any time, ines. yeah i had a rather unique upbringing that brought me into contact with the TM movement at a very early age, yet much of that stuff i just took as "read" or for granted at the time. the page on wikipedia about advaita vedanta, "epistemology" section is well worth reading: i played with my daughter and established that, aged seven, she clearly knows the different kinds of knowledge listed there, which i find amazing.

also i apologise that i had to cut the essay drastically and on short notice, i'm relieved to find that it's still readable. thank you ines.

James Arnold wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 18:24 GMT
I enjoyed your paper very much. We are not so far apart, as I think you can see when (I hope) mine is accepted and put online.

Points of disagreement:

“No human being is intelligent”, we “are merely riding on the back of an inherent and fundamental property” of "’The Universe’: the ‘Field’ of ‘Creative Intelligence’."

To this I would say that you’ve posited a duality of the finite and the infinite, which of course is characteristic of religion; why not say we are intelligent because the universe of which we are an integral part is capable of intelligencing?

Another point, I think it’s important to distinguish individuals from conglomerates. The planet earth is in its physical substance just a conglomerate, as is a machine, with no organic feature of individuality.

But on the whole, a wonderful, well-written essay.

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 06:19 GMT
thanks james. look forward to seeing your essay when it's available.

i was being deliberate in emphasising a perspective where intelligent life simply "borrows" the core fundamental properties of our universe (its capacity for creative intelligence). not least because i find it so incredibly empowering, to think that there could exist or be brought into existence other forms of intelligent...

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 09:47 GMT
ah! just occurred to me james. i know why i find it important to separate humans from the intelligent framework that the universe provides: if we do not do so it becomes that much harder to imagine the perspective from which *other beings* - or other objects - may also borrow the exact same fabric / property of the universe.

it is most unfortunate that i had to drastically cut the length of the essay by a whopping 50% because examples which illustrated this point (more to the point, showed the *dangers* of believing that intelligence is permitted to us separate and distinct from the rest of the universe) were included in the original.

Mike R McKeen wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 21:34 GMT
Great Essay Luke! Did you save the full extended version?

I have (through less mathematical means) put a lot of thought behind existence, religion, consciousness, etc. and I have come to very similar conclusions. One thought I have recently come to is that in a sense every form of life is simply a vessel for energy to inhabit, your essay has led me to believe that is is more than just life forms, but matter itself is all essentially in the same process, "preserve existence and be part of something larger."

If "Creative intelligence" exists in everything, could it be that "background radiation" from the Big Bang that permeates the entire universe is actually the stream of energy that connects to all matter on some level and drives us as life forms to continue the never ending process of change?

could that also be what so many religions have deemed "God"?

Great read! Thanks for sharing!!


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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 06:41 GMT
hi mike thank you for the encouraging words, yes i did, it may be found at

"every form of life is simply a vessel for energy to inhabit... matter included"

hmm, that would indeed seem to be the next logical step, wouldn't it? :)

"if creative intelligence exists in everything"

ah *no*. i take the perspective that...

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Georgina Woodward wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 11:22 GMT
Hi Luke,

You talk about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi identifying the difference between the DNA of an acorn and the DNA of an oak tree being time. You say in other words there is no difference. You have incorrectly interpreted the not incorrect answer given. As it is known that there are changes to DNA over time, damage from radioactivity and free-radicals, transcription errors, virus insertions,...

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 12:50 GMT
hi georgina, many thanks for the comments - all appreciated.

"You talk about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi identifying the difference between the DNA of an acorn and the DNA of an oak tree being time."

yes, in order to keep it simple-sounding. you are correct inasmuch as the *correct* way to put it would be, "the set of all possible permutations of DNA that may be positively identified as...

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Georgina Woodward replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 21:07 GMT
Luke, thank you for your reply. Re. the acorn I was thinking about the acorn/tree DNA of the individual but you are right that there is a lot of variation among the population of individuals.

I see clearly now the the difference between 'intelligence' as used in general parlance; to describe an entity that has characteristics such as reasoning, comprehension, ability to learn and more, compared to your use of the word as a synonym for 'self organisation' applicable to processes and inanimate matter. Clearly they are very different meanings of the word intelligent. I agree that the higher mental function intelligence requires the organisation of matter that can be reduced to individual particles. I think it is misleading to put the word intelligent on the organizing which happens via mindless physics and chemistry. Self organisation is not a standard definition of 'intelligent'. No problem with 'creative self organisation' as a description though.

I like that you have thought about the question and how it can or can't be answered, and how it might be usefully modified.

Kind regards Georgina

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Theophanes Eleftheriou Raptis wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 12:51 GMT
Hi Luke

Good effort which also gives me the opportunity to play the devil's advocate for a while. I will try avoiding all such emphatic terms like "interesting" or worse, "fascinating" that have recently being called to attention as being entirely devoid of meaning (S. L Garfinkel, "whatever you do, dont call this an interesting idea", aeon e-magazine) It is yet intriguing that starting...

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Stefan Weckbach replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 00:01 GMT
Dear Theophanes Eleftheriou Raptis,

i think you are right here. If one believes in a personal God and not just in a first source, this problem - the problem of evil - has to be answered.

Fist possibility: Its all a game, a kind of tour of souls away from their creator - to experience how it feels to be separated from God. Then we did choose all the evil by ourselves. Being separated from the realm of God does mean to be separated from his/her values and properties. This would explain the lack of such properties in our world.

Second possibility: Souls have been entrapped to be separated from God (in christian theology this was due to Lucifer who entrapped a huge part of souls in the heavens). Since every soul is made like the father (in some aspects), it is eternal and has free will (can choose).

In both cases the evil is not due to God, but due to the decisions of the souls. Personally i believe in Jesus Christ, i do not go to Church, i do not read the bible, but believe that Jesus lived, died and was resurrected from the dead. I am finished with all the esoteric nonsense i read and heard over the years. This stuff does not safe a single soul, neither here on earth from its problems, nor in the world after. It is just a kind of seducement, mixed with some real metaphysical experiences, a mix of lies with some truth to think one is just like God.

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 05:36 GMT
thanks theo :) yeah the unabridged version makes it clearer why i have a problem with the idea of scientists being able to understand consciousness sufficiently as to be able to implement it to bring about machine-conscious beings (... and then torture them). the lack of understanding *is* precisely why humanity would consider it perfectly ok to do that.

if we were not at a critical juncture where the power and money of one person could have such a dramatic impact on our ecosystem, in effect become a surgeon operating *on themselves* with neither knowledge or anaesthetic, risking killing us all in the process, i would not have written the conclusion that i had, because there would be no need.

much as i would *like* to get involved in the development of machine consciousness.

interestingly, that same high-level powerful group that has got together to collaborate to create Arrogantly-Artificial-Intelligence has *just* funded a think-tank on how humanity should cope if all goes to hell in a handbasket.

Geraldine Ewan wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 17:59 GMT
I am interested to see the similarities between Luke's train of thought and reading that I have been doing recently concerning the nature of the Christian concept of the Trinity, particularly focussing on the work of Fr. Richard Rohr, a Franciscan priest at the Center for Action and Contemplation in Albuquerque. He and his colleagues promulgate the idea that Trinity is as much part of creation's...

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Stefan Weckbach replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 23:01 GMT
Dear Geraldine Ewan,

what you wrote about Trinity is very interesting to me. I do not know to work you cited, but will take a closer look - if available in germany. If you are interested in some thoughts on trinities in the physical world, please see my comment to Steve Dufourny at my essay page (Feb. 16, 2017 @ 17:09 GMT).

Thanks for your comment and the citation! And if you want to read something about the problem of evil, please read my comment to Theophanes Eleftheriou Raptis, right above of your comment here.

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 05:49 GMT
"Scientists and contemplatives alike are confirming that the foundational nature of reality is relational, and everything is indeed a holon, a part that replicates and mimics the whole."

... after all, that would be the simplest, most efficient and most elegant way for things to end up - or more to the point "emerge". thank you.

Geraldine Ewan replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 15:44 GMT
Thanks Stefan. I'll do that.

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sridattadev kancharla wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 20:45 GMT
Dear Luke,

Universe is an i-Sphere and we humans are capable of interpreting it as 4 dimensional dual torus inside a 3-Sphere, which consists of Riemann 2-sphere as Soul as depicted in S=BM^2 diagram in the attached doc. Soul is the simplest of the complex manifolds with in the 3-sphere, Mind and Body constitute the remaining complexity. Soul, Mind and Body are in a toroidal flux in human beings, exactly at the center of the 3-sphere one can experience the unity of the trinity and that is the now moment we experience. As there are 4 dimensions required for a 3-sphere, the regular 3 dimensions of space and the fourth dimension of time, it is obvious that the 2-sphere (Riemann sphere) of consciousness with in us is with out the time dimension and hence the saying "eternal soul". Poincare` conjecture implies that consciousness is homeomorphic (same or similar) in all beings manifested in all dimensions of the universe, as i have shown that Riemann sphere can serve as the fundamental unit of consciousness.



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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 05:45 GMT
utterly cool, sridattadev, and beautiful to know that you are gaining such insights. perhaps an additional insight for you:

if we may define a soul as being simply a MASSIVELY high order solution (and i really do mean exceptionally high) of Laplace's Y(theta, phi) spherical functions, our soul *may* develop without a body, but, like the surgeon that may need to operate on itself, it is necessary to maintain self-coherence - a coherent E.M. field - *at the same time*. this of necessity limits both the rate (and type) of self-development that may occur.

a body therefore provides an anchor for the E.M.-field-that-is-the-soul whilst allowing and supporting *cognitive dissonance* and subsequent fragmentation of the laplace solutions. in other words, the soul's attachment to the body *may* allow it to support states that would otherwise causes its complete collapse and fragmentation if it was not so attached. thus, birth (and life) provides the (risky!) opportunity for fast-track development.

cool, huh? :)

sridattadev kancharla replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 15:59 GMT
Dear Luke,

You are absolutely right and we concur fully, Soul can exist independently on it's own. Consciousness or Soul is fundamental and can further manifest Mind and Body if it chooses to. In a simple geometric evolution, a 2-Sphere (Soul) comes first and then evolves to a 3-sphere (Soul, Mind and Body). Also please see There are no goals as such it's all play.



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Philip Gibbs wrote on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 19:24 GMT
This is a very pleasant essay to read. I resonate with the idea that consciousness is defined as a "Critical Instability Point." This matches with my conclusion that the laws of physics are a collective behavior at a critical point of universality. Consciousness only exists when connected with this through senses. That's my view. It's good to see that people are keeping the TM movement going.

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 06:24 GMT
thanks philip. so... extending what you say, logically (regarding consciousness): to *deny* the evidence of one's senses - or mind - would be the beginning of pathological states. we cannot *possibly* say that we are moving towards a goal, with aims or intent, if we seek at the same time to *deliberately* refuse to acknowledge certain input or conclusions. how could we? under such circumstance the adjustments needed to create the required corrective feedback cannot possibly be successful.

regarding TM: i feel that it's... kinda... well, it was one of the pioneers of what's now become much more prevalent, so now kinda "blends into in the background noise". but, more than that: you never *needed* to "support" the TM "movement", you just needed to do it :)

Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 17:12 GMT
Dear Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 14:41 GMT
hi joe,

yes i've used "it really should be simpler than this" many many times. also however in the field of software engineering i have learned that sometimes it really does have to be complex in order to cover "all the options" shall we say. but even there, there is no need - no call - for wasting time "over-engineering". in complex systems this is especially true, where it is hard enough to understand what's going on *without* having "over-engineering" in the mix as well :)


Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 05:14 GMT
Wonderful essay Leighton,

Your ideas and thinking are excellent. It is first time I met a reverse engineer and I am lucky to see his skills are used in neuron sciences and our brains. Best wishes.

Some of your words…

Those Reverse-Engineers that I have encountered in the Software Libre field have a rough time: their expertise allows them to foresee outcomes and make...

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Author Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton replied on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 08:04 GMT
hi Satyavarapu thank you for the comments and the introduction to your work. it occurs to me to mention that a friend of mine made me aware of his work as well (into 4-momentum: a perspective where you consider everything in terms of TIME x y and z), and he said to me that part of the base laws is that 4-MOMENTUM is conserved.

now, we're taught that *energy* is conserved but i was struck dumb for several minutes as to the possible implications of 4-momentum being conserved. not only can you derive the law of conservation of energy from that but also it implies that the RATE OF CHANGE of 4-momentum is ALSO CONSERVED.

if i understand your paper correctly, this could be, fundamentally, why you were able to derive the double blue/red-shift results that you did, because you would get a "push-back" from one galaxy onto the other.

i would be interested to hear your thoughts about the implications of conservation of 4-momentum.

Don Limuti wrote on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 23:14 GMT

Boy am I impressed! From your essay I copyed "100% certainty is a pathological state of mind" And when I pasted it into this post I got "✶✵✵✪ ❝❡rt❛✐♥t② ✐s ❛ ♣❛t❤♦❧♦❣✐❝❛❧ st❛t❡ ♦❢ ♠✐♥❞✳"

I am still laughing ......I will read the rest of your essay. I know it will enlighten me. But I do not need to read further to give this essay a 10.

Feel free to read my essay. It is not nearly as good as yours!

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Don Limuti replied on Mar. 21, 2017 @ 06:15 GMT

Just finished your paper and agree completely with:

Preserve existence and become part of something larger.

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FYI: Your essay has some similarity with William's essay:


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