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Author Jouko Harri Tiainen wrote on Mar. 3, 2017 @ 16:02 GMT
Essay Abstract

Abstract – by presenting a model of an “event” or a goal it will be shown that quantum correlations can only be established between mindless mathematical laws and intentional counting within the flow of time.

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Just interested in physics.

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Troy Adam Delaney wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 07:45 GMT
Arnt you saying there are no actual events, one event and that' is the constant now. What do you say about the big bang event

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Author Jouko Harri Tiainen wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 10:44 GMT
I'm saying for us counter of things within the flow of time there ARE certainly "events" e.g. we can say things like "the Melbourne Cup" race starts on the first Tuesday in November at 3pm in Melbourne and ends some "duration" later. All these concepts are human counting objects within a cycle called a year. But realise you and me are just "human" events within the model since we can actually do the experiment if we chose to - at the start of the paper. The experiment is "the event of actually being able to count within a "flow" with a "march of event" with a direction,...., to get a heap of sand". Clearly the paper answers the question "Can we determine where (and when) the Melbourne Cap ends exactly? The answer is NO with mathematical precision. It means how we measure duration, seems to make the end exact enough to declare a winner and a placement of the other horses." for us. And by the model presented seems to make the "start" an actual thing in the past "A", when the race ends "within duration". YES I know it sounds all the wrong way around to how we think "things work". "Within duration" means duration without "labels like start and end", duration isn't what we call "time".



Author Jouko Harri Tiainen replied on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 07:26 GMT
An example from chemistry about the cardinality class of molecules. The cardinality of the stuff we commonly count things like “rocks, trees, blades of grass, bees,....” which are made of atoms and molecules is called Avorgado's number about 6x1023 (6 followed by 23 zeros). In chemistry we know that “Avorgado's number of atoms or molecules each acting classically makes a mole (or a heap) of substance. Nature counts the substance of common-day events using moles, while we see ordinary stuff such as 5 cats, 2 oranges, etc, Chemistry says what we actually have is so many moles of substance interacting which doesn't match how we see what “numbers” are attached to which “objects”. For example, when a tree burns to the ground, the identity of the tree within the flow of time is lost (recall trees are human “objects” so can “end”), but when viewed as so many moles of substance interacting, the actual number of moles always stays the same or in other terms the number of moles (or the n-event) is conserved over any duration. So when in chemistry we say 1,2,3,4,5,.... we mean 1 mole, 2 moles, 3 moles, ….. and using this as the Mathematical Induction MI series we can justify the conservation of the number of moles over duration. As we know that one mole consists of 6x1023 objects by observation.




james r. akerlund wrote on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 04:25 GMT
I like articles that make me think in ways that are not standard to my way of thinking. Your article does that very well. I thank you for submitting it.

But, (and you probably knew this was coming) you are thinking along the lines of all QM people, that is in the small. In your paper you mention bananas and electrons. And to quote, "There is yellowness going on" or “There is...

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Author Jouko Harri Tiainen replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 14:50 GMT
Thank you for the question and nice to know you found the essay novel.

That is, what I thought stars and galaxies where anyway, “just the results of gravity” and these the actual stars and galaxies you speak of are by the essay model the actual “events” we see because of the PA (the Principle Assumption) which establishes “within the process of MI” our Kantian view of duration...

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Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 17:24 GMT
Dear Jouko Harri Tiainen,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 22:28 GMT
Dear Tiainen,

Nice essay with pictographs,

Your way of presentation of ideas is very good. Your words… ‘Hence a Quineian philosophy for how events and processes work together. That is we only can have correlations (just as we do in QM) for how objects within the flow of time match up to a measurement result, of a heap, using pure mathematical counting.’ are good….

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Author Jouko Harri Tiainen wrote on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 07:32 GMT
An example from chemistry about the cardinality class of molecules. The cardinality of the stuff we commonly count things like “rocks, trees, blades of grass, bees,....” which are made of atoms and molecules is called Avorgado's number about 6x1023 (6 followed by 23 zeros). In chemistry we know that “Avorgado's number of atoms or molecules each acting classically makes a mole (or a heap) of substance. Nature counts the substance of common-day events using moles, while we see ordinary stuff such as 5 cats, 2 oranges, etc, Chemistry says what we actually have is so many moles of substance interacting which doesn't match how we see what “numbers” are attached to which “objects”. For example, when a tree burns to the ground, the identity of the tree within the flow of time is lost (recall trees are human “objects” so can “end”), but when viewed as so many moles of substance interacting, the actual number of moles always stays the same or in other terms the number of moles (or the n-event) is conserved over any duration. So when in chemistry we say 1,2,3,4,5,.... we mean 1 mole, 2 moles, 3 moles, ….. and using this as the Mathematical Induction MI series we can justify the conservation of the number of moles over duration. As we know that one mole consists of 6x1023 objects by observation.



Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 16:34 GMT
Dear Jouko Harri Tiainen,

Visible rocks, trees, bees, or any visible objects are not made of invisible atoms. All real objects have a visible surface.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Peter Jackson wrote on Mar. 26, 2017 @ 13:31 GMT
Jouko,

That was a great essay, and just what science needs, giving some logical coherence (and to logic as well as physics!). Sure I had to read slow, and re-read parts, but that's how it SHOULD be for content of true value. However, and I've suffered from the same, just the mention of 'quantum' turns most away as QM's weirdness is both irrational and poorly understood. That may be why you're placed so low, but my score should help correct that.

I agree your analysis of Sorites Paradox, and discuss logic myself, this year, last year and previously, introducing a law the replace the other and related problematic Law of the Excluded Middle. This year I show a ClassicQM production of QM's Cos2 curves representing the "Law of the Reducing Middle" i.e. bineries and integers are unreal digitisations to simplify mathematics, whereas nature is 'smooth' distribution at reducing scales.

We do seem to think somewhat alike, outside the box the big boxes that held the small boxes came in, and I think you may be one of the few with enough imagination and logical understanding to follow the complex ontological (and dynamic geometrical) construction in mine. I hope you get a chance to read, score and comment on it.

Well done and thanks. Very best

Peter

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Don Limuti wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 23:15 GMT
Hello Jouko,

I do wish you could have made your essay more like "determinism for dummies". However I did muddle through. I even started laughing when I realized that the child in the backseat of the car screaming "are we there yet" is actually giving the driver a quantum mechanical problem :)

I believe your conclusion to the question: How can mindless mathematical laws give rise to aims and intention? is that there cannot be a determinate mathematical path to the goal. However, there can be a probabilistic mathematical result.

For something not quite as logical as your essay, please visit my essay and say hello. You may also enjoy my website www.digitalwavetheory.com where I try to avoid the logic problem by making motion on the quantum level discontinuous.

Thanks for your essay,

Don Limuti

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 08:48 GMT
Dear Sirs!

Physics of Descartes, which existed prior to the physics of Newton returned as the New Cartesian Physic and promises to be a theory of everything. To tell you this good news I use «spam».

New Cartesian Physic based on the identity of space and matter. It showed that the formula of mass-energy equivalence comes from the pressure of the Universe, the flow of force which on the corpuscle is equal to the product of Planck's constant to the speed of light.

New Cartesian Physic has great potential for understanding the world. To show it, I ventured to give "materialistic explanations of the paranormal and supernatural" is the title of my essay.

Visit my essay, you will find there the New Cartesian Physic and make a short entry: "I believe that space is a matter" I will answer you in return. Can put me 1.

Sincerely,

Dizhechko Boris

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