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March 28, 2017

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TOPIC: The Dynamics of Einstein Separability. by Thomas Howard Ray [refresh]
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Author Thomas Howard Ray wrote on Feb. 28, 2017 @ 20:21 GMT
Essay Abstract

Are cognizance and consciousness innate to our brain-minds, or the effect of a negative environmental feedback loop? We argue the latter case.

Author Bio

Independent researcher, complex systems.

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Jonathan J. Dickau wrote on Mar. 2, 2017 @ 04:54 GMT
This was an interesting read Tom..

The neutrino experiment you propose is interesting. It was not hard to justify giving you a moderately high rating, to help offset the 1 bomb you received early on. I Have not found any essays worthy of less that a 4, and I have only given ratings of 5 or higher so far. But I guess some folks figure that only an on-target essay should be given a decent grade - or something like that.

I wish you luck. Your essay is well written and deserves some positive attention.

All the Best.

Jonathan

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 15:58 GMT
Jonathan,

Thanks for the "gentleman's 'C'".

I would much rather preferred that you understood the implications of the experiment.



Jonathan J. Dickau replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 20:12 GMT
I expect to revisit it..

I try to plow through a large number of essays early on, before becoming more selective and thorough. Some are too dense to get through in a single run, because they cram in a lot of content or use heavy Maths elaborately. Lawrence Crowell tends to write using a lot of acronyms, along with tricky Math, which may impress a few people while losing many others.

Your paper was clearly written, but perhaps I missed something profound behind the apparent simplicity of it. It seems like you are looking for a specific quantum gravity signature, and that it might also be difficult to precisely compensate for background neutrino flux. Would a colder fluid like liquid Helium provide greater isolation from thermal effects, being closer to absolute zero?

I visited with CardioMag developer Karl Rosner last year, and they have a device that measures the heart's dynamic magnetic field with femto-Tesla sensitivity. But as you might imagine; it was a real problem to deal with the fact that magnetism is ubiquitous. How does one measure a deviation so small, in a magnetically noisy environment?

It looks like you are proposing to use something just below a critical threshold, and a collimated beams of neutrinos. I don't know how one might direct a neutrino-beam with precision. It might be tough to overcome the engineering challenges to conduct the experiment. I like the idea, but it still seems a bit incomplete.

All the Best,

Jonathan

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 01:02 GMT
I'll leave the materials science to the experimentalists.

The experimental result, however, has implications for, among other things, quantum computing without the need for entanglement.

All based on a simple harmonic oscillation.




Steve Dufourny wrote on Mar. 2, 2017 @ 14:23 GMT
Hi Tom,

Happy to see you again on FQXI and your papper,I asked me but where is Tom? :)

Relevant general reading ,thanks for sharing and good luck in this contest.

Best

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 16:00 GMT
Thanks, Steve.




Joe Fisher wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 15:47 GMT
Dear Thomas Howard Ray,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 15:56 GMT
Joe,

What is simpler than a simple harmonic oscillation?



Joe Fisher replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 16:59 GMT
Thomas,

Without a doubt, it am the indisputable fact that the real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

Invisible “harmonic oscillation” am not simple.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 18:17 GMT
Why do you think a harmonic oscillation is invisible?




Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 06:43 GMT
Dear Ray,

Nice essay sir,

Your ideas and observations are excellent. Firstly … ‘We intend to show that unified spacetime does not imply a mutually exclusive internal or external consciousness, and Einstein separability 2 is physically real’…..

2. The Bohm-Hiley nonlocal interpretation preserves the classical notion that particles do possess a position and momentum...

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Gary D. Simpson wrote on Mar. 19, 2017 @ 14:35 GMT
Tom,

Nice essay ... I'm glad to see someone propose an experiment.

FYI, Dr. Klingman also proposes a consciousness field, although his experimental basis differs from yours.

I have a few questions for you beginning near the bottom of page 2 of your essay. You present a schematic of two self-interacting fields. Should not the observer O be either 2+ or 2- to maintain neutrality? Assuming that the observer is the same for both fields, does this imply that the observer O is himself an alternating electro-magnetic field? Does the requirement that there be a pair of complimentary self-interacting fields account for the universe/self dichotomy? I might have made one of the triangles upside down to emphasize that the observer is changing.

Lastly, do you argue that if the cosmic background were warmer, there would be no gravity and no self-awareness?

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Anonymous replied on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 15:46 GMT
Thank you, Gary, for a most thoughtful and insightful post.

I'll look forward to reading Gene's essay. We agree on many things in principle (consciousness field among them).

" ... near the bottom of page 2 of your essay. You present a schematic of two self-interacting fields. Should not the observer O be either 2+ or 2- to maintain neutrality?"

It doesn't matter, physically,...

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 15:48 GMT
Sorry, lost my log-in



Gary D. Simpson replied on Mar. 21, 2017 @ 14:35 GMT
Tom,

Your speculation regarding gravity, consciousness, and the temperature of the background radiation is interesting ...

I don't know about awareness, but I could believe that gravity did not exist until the universe cooled enough for there to be matter. So the first moment of cosmological inflation could have been gravity-free.

Regarding consciousness, your idea implies to me that the neutrino field is the mediator of consciousness and it requires there be a single, lowest-energy wave function for the observer ....

That is profound. These are new ideas for me. Thanks.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 23:44 GMT
Thomas,

Your essay is an interesting journey.

Reading your essay, I feel like I've entered an interactive phantom world in which I'm bathed in neutrino radiation -- which I know we all are. I know that the quantum world does a number on us to the tune of some 7*1027 atoms. I never thought of the quantum (gravity) world being interactive with consciousness but you almost poetically declare neutrinos at the speed of light showed us a classical world. Like that.

It's mind boggling.

If you want to assemble yourself, I like to hear your comments on my essay.

Regards,

Jim Hoover

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Christian Corda wrote on Mar. 22, 2017 @ 14:00 GMT
Hi Tom,

Nice Essay and a bit provocative. Your neutrino experiment to test quantum gravity is interesting, despite thinking about the Neutrino field as the fundamental field is a bit speculative. In any case, your Essay enjoyed me, so, I will give you the highest score. Thanks for your comments in my Essay page, I wish you good luck in the Contest.

Cheers, Ch.

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Author Thomas Howard Ray replied on Mar. 23, 2017 @ 12:46 GMT
Thanks, Christian!




Edwin Eugene Klingman wrote on Mar. 23, 2017 @ 05:19 GMT
Hi Tom,

I understand your essay a little better than the first time because I've read the comments here.

It's not clear to me that the neutrino beam, which is uncharged, will disrupt superconductivity, which is an electromagnetic phenomena. Or perhaps you're saying that if the neutrino is absorbed in a nucleus that then radiates the secondary radiation will disturb the superconductivity. You could be right, I don't know. It's always good to propose experiments.

By the way, my gravity-based model of the neutrino is Majorana, that is, a neutrino is its own antiparticle. Does this agree with your model or not? Attempts are ongoing to determine this aspect, but so far the question is unanswered.

I liked your Kevin Brown quote re 'free particles'.

Thanks for reading and commenting on my essay, and thanks for continuing to play this game.

Best regards,

Edwin Eugene Klingman

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Anonymous wrote on Mar. 25, 2017 @ 00:22 GMT
Hello Thomas - we meet again hoping you are well.

I read your paper, and you appear to endorse an Einsteinian view of physics with some variations that I could not quite follow on a preliminary reading. In general I have been trying to propose a physics without some key Einsteinian concepts like the importance of the observer, spacetime and the point photon localized in space (hence duality). I have outlined this my fqxi essay

I noticed you relate neutrinos to solitons - again I did not understand the exact scenario. However I was interested because in section 3.4 (Fig. 40) of my Beautiful Universe Model I speculate that due to a fundamental topological property of vectors on a sphere, each atom will have a a non-diffracting anomalous tube or vortex extending in space - can that be the neutrino-soliton? I value your opinion on this and on my essay.

Best Wishes,

Vladimir

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Vladimir F. Tamari wrote on Mar. 25, 2017 @ 00:26 GMT
Oops sorry that was my comment above

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