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Author Paul R Martin wrote on Feb. 28, 2017 @ 20:21 GMT
Essay Abstract

We propose the acceptance of Interactionist Cartesian Dualism and the reality of large, extra spatio-temporal dimensions. After presenting arguments for the plausibility of those ideas, we develop a scenario, along with the necessary mechanisms, which lead to an answer to our thematic question. In short, the answer is that aims and intentions precede mathematics which in turn precedes our Big-Bang-initiated 4D world. Aims and intentions give rise to mathematics, not the other way around. We notice that this proposal suggests new approaches to understanding Cosmogony.

Author Bio

Paul R. Martin, BS Math, South Dakota School of Mines & Technology (1962). MS Math, Syracuse U. (1968), is a 76-year-old retired IBM Systems Engineer. Since retirement he has kept busy building a log home in the mountains, taking Great Courses from The Teaching Company, and thinking, reading, and writing about philosophy, history, mathematics, and other subjects. His only publications are on his website http://paulandellen.com/, and now this essay contest website.

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Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote on Mar. 1, 2017 @ 16:02 GMT
hi paul, love the fact that you begin with a formal exploration of what consciousness actually is: it says to me that you are yourself a conscientious person. living in a log cabin in the woods clearly has benefits. question for you: why would the simple act writing down mathematical laws make them "mindless"?

warmest,

l.

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Author Paul R Martin replied on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 19:43 GMT
Hi Luke,

Sorry for the late response. As you might have guessed, I have been in the mountains working on my log cabin.

Thank you for reading my essay and for your kind words. To answer your question, I think you would agree that mathematical expressions that exist in textbooks are mindless, wouldn't you? While the expressions are in the mind of the author, we would have to say they are as mindful as they ever get, and once they are written, there exists (for a while anyway) at least two different forms of the expressions: 1) the mindful one in the mind of the author (or maybe also in the minds of readers later on) and 2) the mindless one which is simply patterns of ink on book pages.

The act of writing converts mindful expressions to mindless ones. The act of reading does the reverse.

I'm not sure I understood your question correctly, but I hope that answers it.

Sincerely,

Paul Martin




Branko L Zivlak wrote on Mar. 1, 2017 @ 20:28 GMT
Dear Mr. Martin

You are right regarding the dimensions. You can see in my essays (2015 and 2017) that all is functioning quite well without dimensions. I think the story of the dimensions is wasting of time.

Best regards,

Branko Zivlak

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Joe Fisher wrote on Mar. 3, 2017 @ 16:52 GMT
Dear Paul R Martin,

Please excuse me for I have no intention of disparaging in any way any part of your essay.

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and perhaps comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 01:43 GMT
Nice essay Mr Martin,

Your ideas and thinking are excellent. Your words… ‘ we not only need to identify some place outside the brain where the seat of consciousness resides, but we also need to solve the mind/body problem’ …………..

Just for discussion sake, I feel : Mind is software and Brain is hardware of computer. I got some additional observations…

Your...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 01:40 GMT
Dear Paul,

Thank you very much for such nice question. Whatever you are thinking that is NOT a problem in Dynamic Universe Model; is not a problem at all. I am reproducing your full post here with my answers embedded; I did not remove any portion of your nice thinking and questions. Very good study.

Your words……….

I am glad that I could be of help concerning...

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Author Paul R Martin replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 03:40 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

Somehow you have me confused with another person. I did not respond to you, nor did I ask you a question. I think your post belongs in a different thread.

Best regards,

Paul




Richard David Stafford wrote on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 20:30 GMT
Perhaps I misunderstood the essay goal; "How can mindless mathematical laws give rise to aims and intention?" I thought it was the consequences of those "mindless laws" which was the issue.

I read your essay and it struck me as making a great many presumptions,most of which essentially presumed modern theory is a valid foundation without defense.

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Author Paul R Martin wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 05:16 GMT
Hello Dick,

I'm sure there is a lot of misunderstanding, or at least different interpretations, of the question of this contest. First of all, what "mindless mathematical laws" are we talking about? Are we assuming that there is such a set of laws which actually gave rise to our universe? And if so, are the currently accepted laws of physics part or all of those? And then, are we asking whether aims and intentions are consequences of those laws? (That seems to be how you interpret it.) Or are we assuming that the laws do indeed give rise to aims and intentions and we are asking how that happened? (I.e. what "breathes fire into the laws". That's the way I interpreted it.)

As for my essay, I did make a lot of presumptions. My seeming acceptance of modern theory is not foundational to my argument at all. Instead I choose not to challenge modern theory because it does not impact my argument which I claim goes on at a much higher level (in higher dimensions and outside the physical world). The physical world is simply one part of the greater reality and the Big Bang theory of its inception is as inconsequential to my presentation as if I had accepted some religion's creation theory.

But, of course, I think modern theory is on the right track for two reasons: First it explains a lot, and second because I consider you to have solved Hilbert's Sixth Problem, and since you demonstrate that Schrödinger's, Maxwell's, and Einstein's equations are all simply consequences of consistent mathematics it gives me confidence that modern theory is right.

Best regards,

Paul




Gavin William Rowland wrote on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 11:52 GMT
Hi Paul

I like your essay for the reason that it goes after the hard problem of consciousness, and that you recognise that alternative approaches are worth pursuing. Certainly the behaviour we see at the quantum level leaves things open for some kind of "res cogitans" interacting with the brain in a bidirectional flow of information. I have done something similar to yours in an exploration of the possible role of dark energy in consciousness. The reference is on the final page of my essay "From nothingness to value ethics", in an open access journal.

Best regards

Gavin

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Author Paul R Martin replied on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 19:26 GMT
Hi Gavin,

Thank you for reading and commenting on my essay. I hope you will read it again after you read my comments on your excellent essay, which I just posted.

Sincerely,

Paul Martin



Gavin William Rowland replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 10:04 GMT
Hi again Paul

I replied in my essay section to your comments. Our main point of difference (although there are many) is regarding the nature and substance of any extra dimensions.

I think you would find WJMander's book Idealist Ethics a good read. Here's a few others i enjoyed

Pylkkanen - Mind matter and the implicate Order

Maudlin - Quantum Nonlocality and relativity

Baggott - Farewell to Reality and Smolin's The trouble with Physics

Passmore's The Perfectibility of Man and Coward's The perfectibility of human nature in eastern and western thought

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Gary D. Simpson wrote on Mar. 18, 2017 @ 15:03 GMT
Paul,

Thanks for an interesting read. The analogy of the Martian Rover was entertaining and fit well with the discussion of the Homunculus and recursion.

If you have not done so already, I recommend that you read Dr. Klingman's essay. He proposes a consciousness field that fits with your hypothesis very well.

Your observation regarding curved space-time needs some clarification. A curved line requires a 2-D plane. A curved plane requires a 3-D space. A curved 3-D space needs a 4-D space. So, the question then is whether or not this 4-D space is the last space. Is space curved in space-time, or is space-time curved in a 5-D space.

You might find my essay interesting. The title is "Five Part Harmony". I believe that space-time is curved in a 5-D space. And that gives plenty of room for consciousness to reside.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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