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CATEGORY: Wandering Towards a Goal Essay Contest (2016-2017) [back]
TOPIC: PHYSICAL MATHEMATICS - EXPLAINING THE PHYSICS OF TEN DIMENSIONS by basudeba mishra [refresh]
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Author basudeba mishra wrote on Feb. 21, 2017 @ 15:31 GMT
Essay Abstract

The goal of physics is to analyze and understand natural phenomena of the universe - properties of matter, energy, their interaction, and consciousness/observer. Random occurrences are not encountered by chance wandering. There is a causal law putting restrictions on these. The validity of a physical statement rests with its correspondence to reality. The validity of a mathematical statement rests with its logical consistency. Mathematical laws of dynamics can be valid physical statements, as long as they correspond to reality. Dynamics is more than action of forces moment by moment or calculated over the particle’s entire path throughout time. The changeover from LHS to RHS in an equation is not automatic. The sign = or → is not an arithmetic total, but signifies special conditions like dynamical variables or transition states, etc. String theories require 26 or 11 dimensions. M-theory requires 10 dimensions. But scientists have no idea about what these mathematical dimensions are. The strings are said to be excitations in hyperspace in 26 or 11 dimensions of a particle with zero mass and two units of spin. The extra dimensions are thought to be compactified or curled up into tiny pockets inside observable space. The particular vibrations of the strings within a multidimensional hyperspace are thought to correspond to particles that form the basis of all matter and energy. No one knows whether such hyperspace or strings or compactified dimensions exist. Time has come to switch over to physical mathematics. We will show the 10 dimensions in observable space.

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seeker for truth.

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Gary D. Simpson wrote on Feb. 22, 2017 @ 02:26 GMT
Basudeba,

You have 9 pages of build-up followed by 6 points and 4 lines. All of which fit into 3 dimensions.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Feb. 22, 2017 @ 03:35 GMT
Dear Sir,

The so-called build up was necessary to remove the misconceptions that has developed for over a Century. It is so deep grained that ALL scientists use extra dimensions without knowing what they are talking about. Hence it was necessary to prove the existing notions wrong.

We would have appreciated a critical comment from you.

Regards,

basudeba



Gary D. Simpson replied on Feb. 22, 2017 @ 13:27 GMT
Basudeba,

I would have been delighted to give an objective comment. Unfortunately, your understanding of the word "dimension" is so far removed from mine that we are not even speaking the same language. You present 3 dimensions, not 10. The only thing that we agree upon is that time is not a dimension.

I will simply ask you two questions.

1. Does your model allow you to make any testable predictions?

2. Does your model allow you to make any useful calculations?

BTW, I have not scored your essay yet.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Feb. 22, 2017 @ 14:05 GMT
Dear Sir,

You may differ from our views on Dimension, but as you have seen the built-up of 8 pages was only to refute all modern notions on dimension including yours. So at least you could have defended your notion of extra-dimensions. Had we not refuted your notion first, you would have simply refuted our views. But now we find that you do not want to be questioned on your views. Please defend your view on dimension that we have proved wrong before attacking our view.

Regarding your points whether does our model make testable predictions, we clarify that a model is an evidence-based representation of something that is either too difficult or impossible to display directly. Here the model itself is the evidence, which can be displayed. You can apply it directly to measure the dimension of any object and verify its authenticity. This also replies your other point.

Regards,

basudeba




Joe Fisher wrote on Feb. 22, 2017 @ 16:45 GMT
Dear Seeker for truth, basudeba,

I merely wish to point out that “Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler.” Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955) Physicist & Nobel Laureate.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Feb. 23, 2017 @ 17:21 GMT
Respected Sir,

Kindly read the paper carefully before commenting. We have taken 8 pages to demolish the modern concept of dimension including your concept of "one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension". Dimension cannot be infinite. Hence kindly refute our reasoning and prove your statement before dismissing it outright.

We never anticipated better marks from you and you could have voted us zero. But kindly consider how long general public will be fooled by some fancy concepts like extra-dimensions? After all science is all about whatever exists in Nature and its mechanism.

Regards,

basudeba




Anonymous wrote on Feb. 23, 2017 @ 22:32 GMT
basudeba,

If we challenge fundamental assumptions and propose unfamiliar replacements, however better, we are heretics and rejected a priori. That's the way we humans employ our brains: Rational analysis is too hard work when it conflicts with comfortable assumptions long and well embedded.

I found your essay well constructed, well argued, 'original' (apart from a few thousand...

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Author basudeba mishra wrote on Feb. 24, 2017 @ 03:46 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for not only reading, but also carefully applying your mind to the paper. These two are rare commodities now. It is the age of big data and less analysis, with reductionism and sensationalization compounding the problem to mislead. As you have rightly pointed out, we are treated as a heretic and often rejected. The few remarks above show that. They did not...

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Peter Jackson replied on Mar. 3, 2017 @ 15:48 GMT
basudeba

T'was I! (-logged out).

Thanks for your interesting response. There's one major difference with the astronomical accretion and Active Galactic Nucleus (observed) dynamics leading to quasar jets (and a pattern reproduced at large scale in the CMB.; It is that speed significantly INCREASES towards the centre. The more mass the faster it spins. Like a ballerina or ice skater who speeds up by pulling in her arms. The toroid spin and contraflow jets are what rips apart and re-ionizes the matter (all that is actual discovery not theory).

The paper analysing the cosequences is here;

DOI: 10.13140/RG.2.1.4540.5603 or

http://www.hadronicpress.com/issues/HJ/VOL36/HJ-36-6.pdf or

www.academia.edu/6655261/A_CYCLIC_MODEL_OF_GALAXY_EVOLUTION_
WITH_BARS


But I think even more important now is the exposure of a simple Classical QM derivation in my essay, addressing the topic directly but plus a whole lot more!

There's also a video; Vimeo; Classic QM

I agree with your 'cartel' suggestion. I got hit with three '1's! early on before people even had a chance to read it! I see you may have had some too. Your essay deserves far better and my score for it is going on now. I hope you'll read, comment and do the same for mine.

Very best of luck.

Peter (Jackson)

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 16:29 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thanks for the response. We will soon examine your comments here and also go through your essay.

Regards,

basudeba




Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 24, 2017 @ 10:25 GMT
Dear basudeba mishra ji,

Good essay on Physical Mathematics for the space of ten dimensions bringing in the old traditional Indian dimensions …

You have written nicely…

1. “Data is not synonymous with knowledge. Knowledge is the concepts stored in memory. By combining lots of data, we generate something big and different….”

2. “Already physics is struggling with misguided concepts like extra-dimensions, gravitons, strings, Axions, bare mass, bare charge, etc”

3. “What is the basic difference between quantum physics and classical physics? Notices of the American Mathematical Society Volume 52, Number 9 published a paper which shows that the theory of dynamical systems used to design trajectories of space flights and the theory of transition states in chemical reactions share the same set of mathematic”

4. “This makes space-time four-dimensional. It shows that we can specify time using a number. An object remain invariant under mutual transformation of the dimensions: like rotating length to breadth or height, even though the measured value of the new axes change. Time does not fulfill these criteria”

Have a look at my essay also…

Best wishes…………….

=snp. gupta

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Feb. 24, 2017 @ 11:39 GMT
Dear Sir,

We were thinking of studying your essay, but could not make time as we were frequently going out. Today also we are going out. Next week we will comment on your essay.

There is a cartel here who vote for each other. In any case, since we are going against the main stream, we invite hostility. But we are not here to win any prizes. We want to stand against the mad rush to fictionalize physics. You might have noticed we took 8 pages to demolish the modern concepts. But no one is talking about that.

Let us hope for the best.

Regards,

basudeba




Vladimir Rogozhin wrote on Feb. 24, 2017 @ 17:33 GMT
Dear Basudeba,

Very interesting, profound essay and important ideas on the way to the truth. I agree with you: «Dimension is an existential description.»

In basic science crisis of understanding, crisis of representation and interpretation. An ontological standard basification of knowledge is necessary to introduce with the empirical standard in fundamental physics.

Kind regards,

Vladimir

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Feb. 28, 2017 @ 10:40 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thank you very much. There is a dire need to strongly resist fictionalization of physics. Hence our ideas are directed towards proving some of the modern concepts as wrong and explain it using physical mathematics instead of flowing with the tide of mathematical fiction in the name of physics.

We were out of station and returned today. We will go through your essay and comment soon.

Regards,

basudeba




Kigen William Ekeson wrote on Feb. 26, 2017 @ 10:32 GMT
Dear Mishra,

Thank you for your interesting and well written essay. I have also thought that the fundamental assumptions behind the idea of extra "spatial" dimensions might be questionable. Unfortunately, I am neither a scientist nor a mathematician and so, can't really make specific comparisons. However, I appreciate the new perspective you have suggested. Perhaps you'll find time to read and comment on my own essay. Also, I would appreciate a reference source for the final 10 conditions/characteristics(?) that you list at the end of your work.

Good Luck,

Willam Ekeson

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Feb. 28, 2017 @ 10:49 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thanks for your encouraging comments. There is a dire need to strongly resist fictionalization of physics. Hence our ideas are directed towards proving some of the modern concepts as wrong and explain it using physical mathematics instead of flowing with the tide of mathematical fiction in the name of physics.

The ideas contained in this post are not new, but thousands of years old. We had given the references in the bibliography. Prashastapaada of yore in his book COMPENDIUM OF PROPERTIES OF MATTER (PADAARTHA DHARMA SAMGRAHA)written in Sanskrit, had described these in Dik Prakarana based on an ancient treatise by Kanaada. These books might have been translated into English.

Regards,

basudeba




George Kirakosyan wrote on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 07:41 GMT
Hi dear Basudeba,

I remember you from early contest as a like minded! Now I will study your essay and I hope my work also may deserve to your kindly attention. Then we can tell each other our impressions and opinions. I hope on your response

Regards

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Author basudeba mishra wrote on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 21:43 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thanks for your encouraging statements.

Regards,

basudeba




George Kirakosyan wrote on Mar. 9, 2017 @ 07:25 GMT
Dear basudeba,

I have read your essay and I find there many interesting to me assertions and definitions that are significantly and these are acceptable for me also. I can say that you are inclined to realistic thinking, which I see mandatory in the natural science.

Meantime I must to recognize that some of your conclusions and assertions remained not fully understandable for me. It maybe, because I am not so well with some sections of math.

However, your study on the significance of physical units, it is close to me generally, as I have touched on this matter somewhat in mine work (that I hope you can read and evaluate). That is why I can say that your essay are significant and it deserves a support! I hope hearing you in my site.

My good wishes!

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 03:08 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thanks for the comment. If you indicate the points which were not clear, we will like to explain.

Right now, I am busy in some personal problems. After few days, I will visit, comment and rate your essay appropriately.

Regards,

basudeba




Rajiv K Singh wrote on Mar. 10, 2017 @ 11:29 GMT
Dear Basudeb,

I see that your approach is vastly different from mine. Yet, I kept noticing that your expressions and statements made good sense at places. For example, how you argued against reductionism, and why mathematics does not tell us all about things that are knowable.

When you say, "Concepts are expressed in a language", did you mean a kind of language developed by humanity,...

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Author basudeba mishra wrote on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 07:41 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thanks for your comments. In our paper, we have defined Language as the transposition of some information/command on the mind/CPU of another person/operating system. Thus, language here is not that only developed by humanity, or but also it includes a certain kind of universal language. Regarding what kind of language it could be, there is plenty of literature (though few read it...

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Rajiv K Singh replied on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 08:27 GMT
Dear Basudeba,

I perused your explanations, and I offer the following remarks.

You say, "we have defined Language as the transposition of some information / command on the mind/CPU of another person/operating system". So, I gather that for "transposition of information" to occur, a mind or a CPU is needed. But then mind already has a language to sense and express. No, I did not mean...

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 03:17 GMT
Dear Sir,

There is no contradiction between our views. When we talk about mind, we mean a mechanical function as has been mentioned in our ancient texts. We frequently compare mind with RAM and brain with HDD. Mind supports sensory instruments and reports to intelligence, like RAM supports applications (task). RAM has volatile memory and hangs from time to time if overloaded. Similarly mind...

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Rajiv K Singh replied on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 07:09 GMT
Dear Basudeba,

I can see that you are extremely passionate about your views, and you make good efforts to put forward supportive arguments. I can also see that your main intention here is to bring your views to light, which you feel to be right, than just winning the competition. Having said that let me place the counter rationality, and again, I must confess, my arguments are limited to my...

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Donald Palmer wrote on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 15:58 GMT
Dear Basudeb,

You have some interesting thoughts, a number of which I agree with, including that theories include concepts invoking (human) language and mathematical equations cannot, by themselves, be the theory. I also agree that 'time' cannot be a physical dimension.

There are a few places where I am not clear on your use of terms. In general you seem to use mathematical terms as physicists tend to, rather than mathematicians. In so doing, I am not sure you have entirely separated mathematical concepts from your physical ones, as you appear to conflate a mathematical continuum with a physical one. A mathematical continuum (e.g a dimension) can be infinitely divided and is not a sequence of points, since any point does not have an identifiable 'next' point (since there are always an infinity of points between any two).

This one difference means the universe (and any dimension of it) would need to be infinitely divideable to match the mathematical concept and should indicate that mathematics and physical reality are not likely to ever match exactly.

I agree that we need to take a different path and perspective in order to understand reality - and that the same objects can look very different from different perspectives.

Let me suggest a different direction: Do physical objects extend spatially in scale? Are physical objects only comprised of the smallest particles or do they have an existence at multiple scales? If they exist at multiple scales, isn't this an extension mutually perpendicular to our standard three dimensions? If they only exist at the smallest particles, how do we explain our visual and tactile senses that portray objects primarily at 'our' scale?

Best to you and your essay,

Don

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Author basudeba mishra replied on Mar. 11, 2017 @ 21:34 GMT
Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for the appreciation.

The paper had two parts: pleading for switch over to Physical Mathematics from Mathematical Physics and as an example demolish the myth of extra-dimensions. Incidentally, you can view the paper from the perspective of Clifford Algebra also.

You have raised some very important points and we would like to give a detailed reply. Since we are on the move for a week, we will give a detailed reply extending your arguments next week. We will also go through your essay and comment then.

Regards,

basudeba




peter cameron wrote on Mar. 17, 2017 @ 20:28 GMT
Basudeba,

in previous post you mention viewing your work from perspective of Clifford algebra. Are you familiar with the work of David Hestenes on the geometric interpretation? It gives a powerful intuitive perspective on concepts of space and dimension, and is unique in its capacity to work in any dimension (unlike for instance the vector algebra of Gibbs).

My coauthor Michaele Suisse has posted an essay that seeks to lay a quantum mechanical foundation for mathematical approaches to emergence of sentience. Would be delightful if we could find connection between our work and yours via your Clifford perspective.

Best regards,

Peter

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