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Vladimir Rodin: on 3/30/17 at 13:55pm UTC, wrote Very good work, Mr. Persson and it must be said, unfairly low sized up. I...

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April 26, 2017

CATEGORY: Wandering Towards a Goal Essay Contest (2016-2017) [back]
TOPIC: A Tragedy in Physics by John-Erik Persson [refresh]
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Author John-Erik Persson wrote on Feb. 14, 2017 @ 16:20 GMT
Essay Abstract

This article is about the not observed difference between the beam direction, representing the motion of light, and the ray direction, representing the orientation of the wave fronts. Disregarding this difference has delayed development in physics for a long time.

Author Bio

The author is a retired engineer with an MS in EE. He is a member of the CNPS (Chapell Natural Philosophy Society). See the blog at: www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/johnerikpersson

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Feb. 15, 2017 @ 12:44 GMT
Dear John-Erik

Sorry! I was a little busy. Just now I seen your post and have read your kindly words on my work. Thank you!

Now I start read your "tragedy" with interest - as we really have faced to biggest tragedy!

I will return soon with my opinion, as I felt it may to interest you.

Best wishes

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Jose P. Koshy wrote on Feb. 15, 2017 @ 14:10 GMT
John-Erik Persson,

The Title of your essay attracted me. I thought you would be saying something about 'mindless mathematical laws' causing tragedy. But the tragedy turned out to be something else. However, I agree with your view regarding time-dilation. The Relativity Theories of Einstein view everything in the universe to be relative, except the 'clock'. Wherever you go, your clock knows the 'speed of time' at that place; we can call it an 'absolute clock'. The question is whether it is the 'clock' or the 'time' that is absolute.

Regarding light, I am with Newton. I propose that light is streams of rotating particle-pairs having fields. Rotating pairs create wave-patterns, and so light shows properties of waves.

Jose P Koshy

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Joe Fisher wrote on Feb. 15, 2017 @ 17:14 GMT
Dear Mr Persson,

Please excuse me for I do not wish to be too critical of your fine essay and I do hope that it fairs well in the competition.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Eckard Blumschein wrote on Feb. 16, 2017 @ 21:51 GMT
Dear John-Erik Persson,

Fundamental criticism requires not just ideas but also serious scientific scrutiny of literature. May I kindly ask you to comment on

http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/2447.pdf ?

Maybe, already an appropriate hint could be helpful even if we are a bit off topic in this contest.

Thank you in advance,

Eckard

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Feb. 17, 2017 @ 04:49 GMT
Dear Erik,

I am fully with you that we are in big trouble - that is why I welcome your essay!

However, you try to solve problems by reanimation the ether. It is wrong. I just friendly asking you to trust me. The ether is not there, It is harmful and no need!

So, I can evaluate your work as fifty on fifty!

Best wishes

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 17, 2017 @ 06:30 GMT
Thank you Persson

.... for your excellent essay giving good history of contemporary science, that delayed progress of science, but you touched upto Special theory of relativity only. You have nicely touched many problems like ether on GPS… Why you have left General theory of Relativity and Expanding Universe models based on Bigbang !?!

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Jeff Yee wrote on Feb. 18, 2017 @ 05:21 GMT
John-Erik,

Kudos, kudos, kudos! I wasn't sure what to expect after reading the title of your paper, but the contents are spot on. In fact, I've already signed up as a member of the blog site that you mention. I have been an advocate to bring back aether and absolutely agree that its dismissal has led to more than a century of wrong turns in physics because it could not be factored into equations.

I thought you might be interested to see Gabriel LaFreniere's computer simulation as an explanation to the Michelson Morley experiment. His work is on this site:

http://www.rhythmodynamics.com/Gabriel_LaFreniere/sa_Mi
chelson.htm

Also, I'll post some of my work on the Natural Philosopher's Community now that I'm signed up, but as it relates to FQXi, here's a paper that my colleagues and I submitted for this contest if you're curious to give it a read:

The Relation of Particles Numbers to Atomic Numbers

Regards,

Jeff

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 13:50 GMT
Dear John-Erik Persson



I support your desire in essay to substantiate error of negative result of the Michelson.

"Although the effect predicted by Michelson, really, is not observed from the - for this compensation."

In My essay it is shown that the using of mathematical abstractions and ideal properties of matter and fields in the description of physical...

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Bayarsaikhan Bayarsaikhan Choisuren wrote on Mar. 30, 2017 @ 00:00 GMT
Dear John-Erik Persson,

Your essay is interesting for me. Because you assumed the aether.

Particular your idea interesting that

“An ether wind transverse to wave velocity is falling inside the plane of the wave front. This means that changes in transverse ether wind cannot change orientation of wave front, since all points on the wave front are affected equally. Transverse ether wind is therefore irrelevant in relation to the ray direction, but relevant in relation to the beam direction. Transverse ether wind can change motion of light, but not orientation of wave fronts. This fact is important, and means that in systems sensitive to phase only the component in ether wind parallel to wave velocity is relevant….

We find also that Faraday’s ether not only exists; the ether can explain gravity as well, and also the Pioneer anomaly and other effects.”

Also I tried to explain the mechanism of gravitational interaction while assuming aether in my essay that http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2826

Also I visited at your site www.naturalphilosophy.org/site/johnerikpersson.

I appreciate your essay in the Contest.

With Best Regards,

Ch.Bayarsaikhan

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Vladimir Rodin wrote on Mar. 30, 2017 @ 13:55 GMT
Very good work, Mr. Persson and it must be said, unfairly low sized up. I agree almost with all excluding of "ether wind". Neatly formulated conclusion. Bravo! I certainly highly appreciate yours paper.

Regards and good luck,

Vladimir A. Rodin

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2752

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