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CATEGORY: Wandering Towards a Goal Essay Contest (2016-2017) [back]
TOPIC: The key requirements that allow goal oriented structures to develop in the Universe by Declan Andrew Traill [refresh]
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Author Declan Andrew Traill wrote on Feb. 3, 2017 @ 21:12 GMT
Essay Abstract

A number of key principles that allow goal-oriented systems to develop in the Universe can be identified. All are closely linked to Physics and the Mathematics that describes how it works, but none is more essential than the fact that the energy in the Universe has a wave nature and is able to form stable three dimensional standing wave structures that persist over time. We know these structures as particles.

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I am a senior software engineer from Melbourne Australia. Theoretical Physics is and has been by interest and hobby for many years.

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John C Hodge wrote on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 06:41 GMT
You have come very close to the Scalar Theory Of Everything model (STOE). It also has energy being pumped into our universe through Spiral galaxies an sunk (if there is an "input" there must be an "output") in elliptical galaxies. I also endorse the fractal and feedback principles, and the emergent principle. The exception is the STOE's need for an agent to form the gravitational field that can support wave action.

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 07:33 GMT
Hi John,

Thank you for your comment. Actually I too assume a field that causes gravity and the effects of Relativity. Please refer to my first FQXi essay in 2012 titled "A Classical Reconstruction of Relativity" for my ideas on that. I have not heard of STOE, though I am intrigued now. I don't see the need for a source and sink for energy in the Universe - it simply exists and changes form over time. That is not to say I exclude a possible creation of energy somehow, but there is no evidence for it and remains probably the biggest mystery in Physics - where did and how did the Universe come to exist rather than just nothingness?



John C Hodge replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 11:45 GMT
I would be supprised if you had heard of the STOE. It is radical by the establishment standards. I was a published author in peer reviewed jounals, then the development of the STOE start and I wrote in the arxiv. When examining the pioneer anomaly, arxiv dropped me.

You can see short videos on various topics at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc0mfCssV32dDhDgwqLJjpw

pape
r references are given at the end of each segment.

I'll look up your 2012 essay.

In section 3 of my essay contribution has the how of the entropy issue you address. The entropy of the universe remains nearly constant (I'm hard pressed to find that reference now) Yet, entropy is constantly increasing as you note. The universe cannot be adiabatic. The CMB paper shows how the temperature is what it is - no other model does this.

Where the universe came from is a mystery science has yet to find a model. I'm confident in a few thousand years there may be a model.

Hodge

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 12:17 GMT
Thanks for the link.

How did you get to publish in the first place. Every attempt I have made to good peer reviewed journals has been rejected, even when it is new, original work and quite a concise proof that makes sense and brings clear insight to how the physics works (for example: explanations for Relativistic mass increase, length contraction, time dilation, or Fresnel dragging, or wave functions for the electron/positron). All were rejected and I had to publish online in little known peer reviewed journals or on Vixra. Do you have to be an academic working in a University to be recognized as worthy? Or is it simply whether you are in full agreement with the established line? If so then how will any new idea get any traction?




Gary D. Simpson wrote on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 14:55 GMT
Declan,

Welcome to the contest. The zero'th law was a nice touch. All in all it is a good effort. Having said that, you relied upon emergence as a magical property to produce intelligence. Emergence is a shared theme by many of the essays this time. Don't take that as a criticism ... I did not even attempt to address the issue and instead focused on eliminating the "arrow of time" requirement of time evolution. Your initial step of an available long-term energy source seems to be a novel concept thus far in the contest. Essentially, you create local order at the expense of a greater amount of large scale disorder. The weakness of that is that there is order at large scale in the form of galaxy clusters and super clusters.

Best Regards and Good Luck,

Gary Simpson

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 20:56 GMT
Hi Gary,



Thank you for the welcome and positive comments. We can perceive order in the form of galaxy clusters and super clusters, but is this really order in the Thermodynamic sense? On the Wiki page on the laws of Thermodynamics it states that a system "will eventually reach a mutual thermodynamic equilibrium". While stars in galaxies are still burning, equilibrium has not yet been reached.

Regards,

Declan



Gary D. Simpson replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 22:08 GMT
Declan,

You misunderstand the thermodynamic meaning of both entropy and equilibrium. It might as well be argued that no equilibrium ever truly exists and therefore thermodynamics is meaningless. Nonetheless, thermodynamic predictions are accurate when applied correctly.

Best Regards,

Gary Simpson

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Anonymous replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 22:41 GMT
Gary,

But entropy "is a measure of the number of microscopic configurations that a thermodynamic system can have" (wiki page on Entropy). In a galaxy comprised primarily of stars/hot gas/plasma there is high entropy due to the fast moving, essentially random motions of the particles; even though on a large scale there appears to be an organized structure.

Regards,

Declan

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Anonymous wrote on Feb. 5, 2017 @ 00:34 GMT
Dear Declan Andrew Traill,

you mentioned in 2 nd paragraph............ but only the structures that can persist in their environment will survive ..........

Why you require structures, how structures are formed, is it something like radiation dominated era you are talking about...?

But anyway,

When stars are there , there are cold places also exist as we see....

You mentioned energy to matter conversion as very important........... please check Dynamic Universe model's paper in viXra on this subject, where a mechanism was shown to convert energy to matter.

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 5, 2017 @ 00:55 GMT
Dear Declan Andrew Traill,

you mentioned in 2 nd paragraph............ but only the structures that can persist in their environment will survive ..........

Why you require structures, how structures are formed, is it something like radiation dominated era you are talking about...?

But anyway,

When stars are there , there are cold places also exist as we see....

You mentioned energy to matter conversion as very important........... please check Dynamic Universe model's paper in viXra on this subject, where a mechanism was shown to convert energy to matter.

Sorry I did not notice I was logged out, I think FQXi computer system logs out automatically after sometime. That's why I repeated my post with the name visible...

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Author Declan Andrew Traill wrote on Feb. 5, 2017 @ 05:12 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

Structures form due to electromagnetic bonds forming (I did mention that the Electromagnetic force was the main force at play on the particle level). This can only occur, however, if the environment is not too hot or being bombarded by too much radiation, as these things will destroy structures and break the bonds between particles.

I will have a look on viXra - do you have a link to the paper you are referring to?

Regards,

Declan



Joe Fisher replied on Feb. 7, 2017 @ 17:00 GMT
Dear Mr. Traill,

Please excuse me for I do not wish to be too critical of your fine essay.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

One real visible Universe must have only one reality. Simple natural reality has nothing to do with any abstract complex musings about imaginary invisible “A number of key principles that allow goal-oriented systems to develop in the Universe can be identified.”

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Mar. 19, 2017 @ 10:10 GMT
Dear Traill,

see this paper please....

viXra:1609.0132 [pdf] submitted on 2016-09-10 12:45:24

Blue and Red Shifted Galaxies Are Resulted Due to Frequency Shifting in Electromagnetic Radiation Near Gravitating Masses in Dynamic Universe Model

Authors: Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta

Comments: 11 Pages.

According to General theory of relativity the frequency shift in electro-magnetic (EM) radiation close to a gravitating mass happens in one direction only, but in accordance with Dynamic Universe Model this frequency shift happens on both the sides of spectrum. Here we will derive the results using general Physics and Mathematics that changes the frequency of electromagnetic radiation passing near a moving gravitating mass. The frequency of the radiation will increase when the relative movement of the gravitating body is in opposite direction to EM radiation and the frequency will reduce when in same direction .

Category: Astrophysics

Best regards

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Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 11, 2017 @ 18:48 GMT
Your post on my paper’s page:

...And so who made God?

God is not a solution, only another question...

Declan T

Dear Declan,

That is a good question, but it does not mean that God is not the solution as to how the universe and life were created. It would just be the next logical question to ask once you came to the conclusion that he did create them. We know...

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Author Declan Andrew Traill wrote on Feb. 15, 2017 @ 06:30 GMT
Wow, I think that comment is another essay!

I do not wish to start a Science v's Religion debate.

I do want to dispute a couple of your points though:

You assert there is not enough time for life to have evolved, but there is an enormous amount of material that is all reacting and undergoing change at the same time - thus a massively parallel computer in effect. This multiplies the available time for reactions to take place by a truly enormous number. Also there may be certain fortuitous events (such as certain materials acting as catalyst in reactions) that short-circuit the processes and allow certain reactions to occur much more easily and quickly, given the right conditions.

Also, there is some evidence that has been detected (by Roger Penrose's team a few years ago, I think) of the echoes of previous Big Bangs that occurred before our most recent one. This could indicate that the Universe is much older than originally thought, or even of infinite age (i.e. has always existed).

It depends on your point of view: If one were to say that the Universe IS god then there is no need for it to have been created, and it might have always existed. This might be a good way for Science and Religion to unite in some fashion.



Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 20, 2017 @ 03:44 GMT
Dear Declan,

I guess I just got carried away. To me, the source of the universe and all things in it is the most important understanding to obtain because everything else expands from that and there is so much to it, so I can go on for a much longer time than I did to explain everything, but for your sake I will try to keep this comment shorter.

I was not talking much about the...

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Feb. 20, 2017 @ 05:57 GMT
Paul,

You are assuming that the proteins were built in one go from scratch. No doubt there are countless clever tricks that nature used to generate these structures in the time available. Catalysis is just one such example. There would be quantum leaps in structure creation in the same sort of way that we have big advances in technology that completely revolutionize the world each time they occur. These sorts of developments in living organisms may not occur very often, but when they do, they can have huge ramifications for the development of living creatures and they build upon one another.

Just as an internet search engine can find things very quickly without having to trawl through every web page on the internet every time a search is done, nature no doubt has ways to fast track the process of developing structures that work and persist without having to try every possible combination of atoms.

Regards,

Declan



Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 20, 2017 @ 23:53 GMT
Dear Declan,

Are you aware of any of these tricks or are you just imagining the possibility of them? Imagining possibilities without a clear workable concept and without any observational evidence of their existence is not really science. It is just your desired belief. I learned a long time ago that if I really wanted to know how things really work I have to stay within the constraints...

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Jeff Yee wrote on Feb. 19, 2017 @ 01:59 GMT
Declan,

I fully agree with your concluding paragraph about the wave nature of particles. But I'm curious about your thoughts on entropy which you lead with in your paper. Do you have an idea how entropy fits into WSM (wave structure of matter)?

Jeff

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Feb. 19, 2017 @ 02:31 GMT
Hi Jeff,

The consideration of entropy really only applies to atoms/molecules rather than fundamental particles. It expresses the order/disorder of bulk atoms/molecules. The entropy reduction is required so that composite structures can become ordered and not torn apart by random heat 'noise' that tends to destroy such ordered structures.

Having said that, the original formation of fundamental particles from random wave activity could be considered as involving a reduction in entropy - thus ordered 3D standing wave structures form from disordered wave activity. In this case it is the mathematics of the stable standing wave, wave-functions that brings order to the chaos of random wave motion, thus allowing stable fundamental particles to form and persist.

Regards,

Declan




Karoly Kehrer wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 22:15 GMT
Dear Declan

I think your essay is convincing " none is more essential than the fact that the energy in the Universe has a wave nature and is able to form stable three dimensional standing wave structures that persist over time. We know these structures as particles."

If it was not true we would not have a chance discussing this problem for we would nor exist.

Respectfully Karoly

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 23:09 GMT
Thank you Karoly.

Yes, I think that the Wave Structure of Matter (WSM) is the key reason for goal oriented structures, or any structures for that matter, to develop in the Universe.

WSM truly holds many of the answers to why the Universe is the way it is.

Best Regards,

Declan




Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 15:53 GMT
declan, i love that your essay is short and to the point, but also on topic. i rated it highly, accordingly.

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Author Declan Andrew Traill replied on Mar. 5, 2017 @ 21:29 GMT
Thank you Luke, that is what I was hoping - that a shorter essay would be easier on the reader & try to address the key points succinctly...

Best Regards,

Declan




Edward Kneller wrote on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 21:17 GMT
Declan,

I very much agree with your statement: ‘Given a survivable environment, some structures will develop mechanisms that allow them to survive better than others, thus there is a clear bias towards these structures’ survival. This is the case from the most basic chemical compounds, right up to living organisms. Ultimately this is what drives natural selection of species. So this innate selection process that favours ‘good’ structures over ‘bad’ structures is the third requirement to create structures that have aims and intentions to survive. The primary force involved in such interactions between particles is the Electromagnetic force. This level of interaction is also governed by Quantum Mechanics.’

The structural sequence (of survivors) from ‘the most basic chemical compounds, right up to living organisms’ is formalized in my essay ‘The Cosmic Odyssey of Matter’. My essay further identifies social organizations as part of this sequence.

I would very much appreciate your review of my essay, should you have a few spare minutes.

Regards, Ed Kneller

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Willy K wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 05:39 GMT
Hello Traill

If I understand you correctly your measure of intelligence would be, “Once an organism has intelligence it is then able to understand its environment so that it can do things to enhance its own survival.” This stands in stark contrast with the measure for intelligence that I have suggested, which would be that the ‘organism’ would nurture its root elements so that their chances of survival are enhanced.

I think it can be argued that your measure is what the observer from the outside sees, whereas my measure looks at what is actually happening within the organism to enable the behavior that the observer sees on the outside. Thus, if one were to set about creating an AI, it might have to be created using my measure, but the external/empirical test for validating the existence of the AI might still be what you have proposed (your measure is easier to validate). However, we may not want to create an AI that tests positive to your measure since such an AI will likely cause some conflict with humans.

Thanks for your insight on this topic. You have certainly made me think harder about my core assumptions regarding intelligence.

Regards, Willy

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Héctor Daniel Gianni wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 22:14 GMT
Dear Declan Andrew Traill

I invite you and every physicist to read my work “TIME ORIGIN,DEFINITION AND EMPIRICAL MEANING FOR PHYSICISTS, Héctor Daniel Gianni ,I’m not a physicist.

How people interested in “Time” could feel about related things to the subject.

1) Intellectuals interested in Time issues usually have a nice and creative wander for the unknown.

2) They usually enjoy this wander of their searches around it.

3) For millenniums this wander has been shared by a lot of creative people around the world.

4) What if suddenly, something considered quasi impossible to be found or discovered such as “Time” definition and experimental meaning confronts them?

5) Their reaction would be like, something unbelievable,… a kind of disappointment, probably interpreted as a loss of wander…..

6) ….worst than that, if we say that what was found or discovered wasn’t a viable theory, but a proved fact.

7) Then it would become offensive to be part of the millenary problem solution, instead of being a reason for happiness and satisfaction.

8) The reader approach to the news would be paradoxically adverse.

9) Instead, I think it should be a nice welcome to discovery, to be received with opened arms and considered to be read with full attention.

11)Time “existence” is exclusive as a “measuring system”, its physical existence can’t be proved by science, as the “time system” is. Experimentally “time” is “movement”, we can prove that, showing that with clocks we measure “constant and uniform” movement and not “the so called Time”.

12)The original “time manuscript” has 23 pages, my manuscript in this contest has only 9 pages.

I share this brief with people interested in “time” and with physicists who have been in sore need of this issue for the last 50 or 60 years.

Héctor

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on Apr. 1, 2017 @ 13:08 GMT
Dear Declan,

With great interest I read your essay, which of course is worthy of the highest rating.

I'm glad that you have your own position

«but none is more essential than the fact that the energy in the Universe has a wave nature and is able to form stable three dimensional standing wave structures that persist over time. We know these structures as particles.»

«topic of wandering towards a goal resulting in goal oriented structures in the Universe. Clearly the formation of particles is the most essential step in this process»


Your assumptions are very close to me

«Mathematics and Physics drive every stage of this process by repeated application of the same rules over millennia in much the same way that mountain landscapes and images of trees/leaves can emerge from fractal equations.»

You might also like reading my essay , where the fractal principle of the device of matter is substantiate.

I wish you success in the contest.

Kind regards,

Vladimir

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Vladimir Nikolaevich Fedorov wrote on Apr. 4, 2017 @ 04:56 GMT
Dear Declan,

Many thanks for the kind words about my essay .

I give two direct links to download the file in pdf format with text of my article "The deterministic gravitational waves".

Hyperlinks are distorted by the system, so I give symbolic link addresses

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&confirm=no_antiv
irus&id=0B1MvF-AefpMmU3hTSWtQTWUtRTg

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B1MvF-AefpMm
U3hTSWtQTWUtRTg

I apologize for the inconvenience, and hope for understanding.

I wish you success in the contest.

Kind regards,

Vladimir

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Peter Jackson wrote on Apr. 6, 2017 @ 19:10 GMT
DECLAN,

Interesting essay, excellent in many ways, and concise is good!

I like; "as complexity increases, intelligence will evolve as it presents an advantage that allows an organism to better survive." and "The primary force involved in such interactions between particles is the Electromagnetic force. This level of interaction is also governed by Quantum Mechanics."

I hope you may get a chance to read & comment on mine, showing you're certainly right, and how!.

Very best

Peter

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George Kirakosyan wrote on Apr. 7, 2017 @ 05:05 GMT
Dear Andrew

I have read your essay just now. The matter is I am also deeply sure in the wave-field nature of particles as you. I have opened your articles in vixra.org that I need study in near future. You can find my papers also (see in refs), and you can see where I had reached in the same direction. I thing we will find many questions that we can share each with other. So, It is nice to meet and welcome you!

Best wishes!

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