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Author Paul N Butler wrote on Jan. 27, 2017 @ 17:03 GMT
Essay Abstract

The depth of this subject is much greater than can be given adequate coverage in 25,000 characters. I have tried to address several key areas in as much detail as possible given the restrictions. It would take a complete book on each of some of these areas to fully explain all the variables, but I have tried to condense them down the best that I could with the purpose of stimulating thought concerning them and other areas that I just couldn’t directly include. I hope it helps others to better understand the complexities involved. The areas covered are: 1. Comparison of the laws of the universe with man’s attempt to model them. 2. The structure of man’s intelligently designed complex devices. 3. The structure of the universe. 4. A comparison between them. 5. What does the Big Bang theory tell us? 6. Could the universe create life? 7. Is evolution practical? 8. Has God provided us with information about himself, and the universe?

Author Bio

The author has long desired to know how the world works and how it began. As man’s science advanced over time, its great complexity convinced him that it is a device created by an intelligent being. This began the search to fully understand this being, which still continues.

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Joe Fisher wrote on Jan. 30, 2017 @ 17:22 GMT
Dear Mr. Butler,

Please excuse me for I do not wish to be too critical of your fine essay.

Only nature could produce a reality so simple, a single cell amoeba could deal with it.

One real visible Universe must have only one reality. Simple natural reality has nothing to do with any abstract complex musings about imaginary “laws of the Universe.”

The real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

A more detailed explanation of natural reality can be found in my essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY. I do hope that you will read my essay and comment on its merit.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Jan. 31, 2017 @ 23:55 GMT
Dear Joe,

I do not mind comments about my work because there have been times that I have received good useful information that way. At the very least it tells me about the level of understanding of the one making the comments. This helps me to respond to the comments in a way that is most likely to be understandable to the commenter. Whether the response is actually of value to the...

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Joe Fisher replied on Feb. 1, 2017 @ 16:58 GMT
Dear Paul,

You really ought to have read my essay first. There is nothing complicated about a single celled amoeba’s surface. The whole point of my essay am that the real Universe must consist only of one unified visible infinite physical surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 1, 2017 @ 19:23 GMT
Dear Joe,

I read your paper and at the beginning you talk about a plethora of surfaces and you then mention several things and say that they have complete surfaces. This leads me to believe that each thing has its own complete surface that is not a part of other surfaces. Later in your paper you seem to be saying that there is only one surface. How can both be true or am I misunderstanding what you are saying in some way? Please clarify what you mean. You say that light is a nonentity, are you saying that it does not exist? You mention invisible radiance causes light to appear on infinite surface. What is the nature of this invisible radiance and how does it make light to appear on surface? If light does not exist, how can I see it on a surface?

An amoeba’s surface is not as simple as you might think. It has sensors or as you would call them eyes that help it to observe obstacles and food and when it finds food it has protein machines that move parts of its surface to enclose it around the food, which is then taken into it and digested. It appears from what you say that to you the base of all things is an infinite dimension. Are there any characteristics of this dimension other than that it is infinite and that it contains an infinite visible physical surface? Is the dimension completely filled by the surface that is contained in it or does it also contain anything else in it or is there any empty part of this dimension? Is this dimension also illuminated by the light or just the surface that is contained within it?

Sincerely,

Paul




Author Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 3, 2017 @ 03:32 GMT
Dear Joe,

I would still like for you to answer my questions and tell me about the nature of the infinite dimension so I can understand how it fits into what I see when I look at the world around me. Part of my work in this world has shown me that people do not always mean the same things when they use the same words. It is apparent to me that you do not accept man’s standard concept of...

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Joe Fisher replied on Feb. 3, 2017 @ 17:00 GMT
Dear Paul,

Simplicity cannot be simplified. One real observable Universe must only have one infinite dimension. Only infinite surface exists, invisible three dimensional empty space does not. As I explained in the essay, because there am only one dimension, one only sees a disc when one looks at a sphere. One only sees a rectangle when one looks at a cube. One only sees a PLETHORA of seamlessly enmeshed surfaces when one looks in any direction at any time. One’s surface cannot go anywhere without it always touching other surfaces, as the single law of the real observable Universe has to be consistent, there must only be one, single, sole, infinite surface that am occurring in one infinite dimension that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light.. I do not know anything about microwaves, or permanent waves, or waving goodbye, but I wish you a respectable adieu.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 03:10 GMT
Dear Joe,

If there is only one dimension it still must present to us the things that we see as we see them. In man’s standard concept of a one dimensional world, you could only have point objects or line objects. Even the discs or squares that you mention would be considered two dimensional objects. This means that your concept of a single dimension would have to be different than...

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Joe Fisher replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 15:14 GMT
Dear Paul,

You do not see “objects” when you look around. You see a plethora of seamlessly enmeshed surfaces.

All real visible entities have a real visible surface. Light does not have a surface, therefore, light is indisputably a nonentity. All real visible places have a real visible surface. It would be physically impossible for infinite surface to have any finite gaps.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Joe Fisher replied on Feb. 4, 2017 @ 15:45 GMT
Dear anonymous Paul,

You wrote: “If there is only one dimension it still must present to us the things that we see as we see them” Every real “thing” that you see has a real visible surface. That means that only a single infinite visible surface could possibly exist. Obviously, you can manufacture a finite number of boxes. But each box has to have a real visible surface, Each real tree that produced the wood from which some of the finite number of boxes were made had to have a real visible surface. Each of the nails used to hold a box together must have had a real visible surface. As I explained in my baseball item, the real visible surface of a baseball never travels at a finite speed between two measured points. You can clearly see the real surface of a baseball whether it is purportedly moving at 90 miles an hour, or whether it am stationary. The disc that you actually see merely changes size infinitely throughout the game.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Author Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 5, 2017 @ 01:02 GMT
Dear Joe,

Here is my previous message edited to remove objects. I hope that is more understandable to you.

If there is only one dimension it still must present to us the entities that we see as we see them. In man’s standard concept of a one dimensional world, you could only have point entities or line entities. Even the discs or squares that you mention would be considered two...

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Author Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 7, 2017 @ 05:27 GMT
Comment added to Carlo Rovelli’s paper page.

To All,

In looking at this page it seems to me that there is some confusion about information structuring concepts. There are two general categories of true information. They are structural information and abstract information.

Internal Structural Information is information that is built into and is, therefore, a part of the...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 15, 2017 @ 01:54 GMT
Too all,

The above comment that I posted on Carlo Rovelli’s paper’s page showed up on it after I sent it, but was somehow removed by the next day when I checked his page again. It was either removed by him, which is within his right to do or was removed due to some software glitch, etc. It seems that currently there is no way that a commenter is notified as to who and why a comment is removed. I believe this should be corrected. I would just put a quick comment on his page to ask him if he had it taken off, but so far he has not answered any of the comments that are posted on his page, even one from a member of FQXI George F. R. Ellis, so I don’t think that it would do much good. Since I posted the above comment I would like to add some information to it, so I will just add it as another addition to this comment here on my paper’s page for anyone that might be interested.

Sincerely,

Paul



Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 15, 2017 @ 02:00 GMT
To All,

The fact that the universe contains these types of information structures in its makeup suggests that great intelligence was involved in its construction. As man’s understanding of the complexity of the world increases this conclusion only becomes more and more obvious. I have seen that more and more scientists are coming to this conclusion, but many still desire to believe that...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Feb. 7, 2017 @ 15:56 GMT
Dear Buttler,

Thank you for the good discussion and good essay. Your sub-heading and discussion … ‘Could the universe, as it is, have been created by chance happenings?’ is good.

I am also a firm believer of God. But I don’t think he created this universe at one stroke like Bigbang.

I request you to have a look at my essay and Dynamic Universe Model blog. It is singularity free universe model without dark matter and dark energy. And give your valuable comments…

Best wishes…

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 9, 2017 @ 19:24 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

I looked at your paper as you requested and the greatest problem that I found in it is the concept that the energy photons that are radiated from stars as a byproduct of the fusion of light elements such as hydrogen into helium would be changed back into more matter (presumably hydrogen) as it passes near large masses. It is possible for energy photons that possess a...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Feb. 10, 2017 @ 23:53 GMT
Dear Paul,

Thank you very much for such nice discussion...

I made 9 reply posts for your post, I request you to have a look in the thread on Dynamic Universe model

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Feb. 11, 2017 @ 00:25 GMT
Dear Paul

Some Important parts I am giving here please...

……… When you say that the central dense mass of a galaxy is getting dried up, where does that dense mass go? If it just moves out from the center of the galaxy what is the source of the motion that causes it to overcome the great gravity attraction that the central mass would possess that would greatly resist the pulling away of any of the matter contained in that mass?…………

Bigbang Physics say it is Blackhole dried up. By definition Blackhole never dries up. It only increases its mass due to accretion. Then the question comes how a Galaxy quenches? It is happening in the universe.

In Dynamic Universe Model, the central Densemass which holds the Galaxy together can dry up. What is dense mass actually? In a Galaxy the distance between stars can vary from say 4 light years to 100 light years or more in bulge and disk areas. But in the central Densemass these inter star distances are less than I light year. This Densemass is not a lump some mass at the center like a Blackhole. It can dry up or in other words, its stars can driftaway due to dynamical forces. See the paper on “Formation of Astronomical Jets Using Dynamic Universe Model” in viXra …

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James Lee Hoover wrote on Feb. 7, 2017 @ 18:39 GMT
Paul,

We posit some of the same mysteries, issues and questions but I tend to leave nature in the realm of a process we are left with and God in the realm of faith to embody what we can't seem to fathom. Entropy is a natural process which seems to govern the animate and inanimate -- the tiny and the colossal.

An interesting read.

Jim Hoover

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 10, 2017 @ 22:24 GMT
Dear James,

Your concept of God is common among those who don’t actually believe in the actual existence of God. The general belief is that as science advances all of the things we currently can’t fathom will be explained and then there will be no need for a concept of God. The problem with that concept is that there are two possibilities. One is that God exists and created the...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Feb. 11, 2017 @ 00:27 GMT
Dear Paul,

………………The universal gravitational force is a good concept. The actual force experienced by any object would be determined by its present position compared with the positions and masses of all other objects in the universe. This force and its direction would be continually changing on any given object because of the changing positions of all objects in the universe. …………..

Thank you once again for nice and helpful thoughts and blessings…

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Declan Andrew Traill wrote on Feb. 10, 2017 @ 05:38 GMT
...And so who made God?

God is not a solution, only another question...

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Anonymous replied on Feb. 11, 2017 @ 18:31 GMT
Dear Declan,

That is a good question, but it does not mean that God is not the solution as to how the universe and life were created. It would just be the next logical question to ask once you came to the conclusion that he did create them. We know now that the universe did not always exist, but had a beginning, so if God created them it would tell us that he at least was in existence...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 11, 2017 @ 18:39 GMT
Once again even though I checked to see if I was still logged in just before I sent the above post, it somehow logged me off and then sent it as anonymous. I usually read over my post after entering it into the window to check it out to see if it is ok. This can take some time. The log off time needs to be changed to a longer time period and a log off message should be sent back to the page before log off occurs to avoid this problem.

Sincerely,

Paul



Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 20, 2017 @ 04:00 GMT
Declan’s comment to me on his paper’s page:

Wow, I think that comment is another essay!

I do not wish to start a Science v's Religion debate.

I do want to dispute a couple of your points though:

You assert there is not enough time for life to have evolved, but there is an enormous amount of material that is all reacting and undergoing change at the same time - thus...

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Author Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 19, 2017 @ 00:29 GMT
My comment entered on Daniel Gianni’s paper’s page:

Dear Daniel,

I have not yet looked at all of the papers in this contest, but your paper is by far the best one that I have seen so far. You are right that there is no existence of a time dimension, etc. and time is just a relationship between a motion and the distance that it travels in comparison to some other motion that...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 22, 2017 @ 18:10 GMT
Hector Daniel Gianni’s comment to me on his paper’s page:

Dear Paul Butler:

You choose my essay as the best you read till now, this show me that at least mine is readable, clear and understandable for you. I thank you for your opinion.

My essay is radical because left aside the prehistoric and unfunded “belief” of “time” physic existence, which has no scientific...

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Author Paul N Butler wrote on Feb. 19, 2017 @ 23:34 GMT
My comment entered on Ronald Racicot’s paper’s page:

Dear Ronald,

I find it good that you understand that most things that many consider to be random chance happenings because they cannot predict the actual outcome that will occur are often the result of unknown variable structural actions that when involved in interactions with other similar entities can yield one of a certain...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 24, 2017 @ 20:41 GMT
Ronald Racicot’s comment to me on his Paper’s page:

Dear Paul N. Butler;

Thank you for your thoughts and ideas.

I have to admit that it’s difficult for me to fully understand your terminology and how your ideas mesh with current quantum mechanics terminology and theories.

You seem to be suggesting that the internal structure and dynamics of any given quantum...

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Héctor Daniel Gianni wrote on Feb. 23, 2017 @ 22:45 GMT
Dear Paul Butler

Everybody talks of “space-time” and because I think than most people don’t know what they meant. I thought you would be interested in it’s meaning after we know that the experimental “time” meaning is “movement”

“Movement” on the “space-time” construction

Minkowski “space-time”...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 25, 2017 @ 00:54 GMT
Dear Hector,

I have found some who say that they don’t consider time to be an actual physical dimension, but just a mathematical dimension, but if the math model that incorporates that dimension is supposed to model reality, that dimension must model some part of reality. I have not yet found anyone who can explain what that part is in any reasonable way.

I agree that there is...

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Peter Jackson wrote on Feb. 24, 2017 @ 13:09 GMT
Paul,

A nicely thought out and written essay covering many aspects closely in common with much of mine, including 'design'. You can be assured that I really can't reconcile your 2.6 with it, though maybe we're both saying something upsetting as I too have had a number of anonymous 1's.

I can't disagree with your creationist conclusion though I conclude we can't conclude with certainty, having identified a mechanism to allow rather more of consciousness (and even an RNA mutation model!) from hierarchical levels of interactions than yours. None the less recursion to some 'start point' or action remains none zero.

Questions I would ask of yours are; "Motion" in relation to what?, and; what about the fundamental case of rotation? Perhaps read mine before deeper discussion on these? I look forward to your comments and/or questions.

Nicely done.

Peter

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Feb. 27, 2017 @ 03:29 GMT
Dear Peter,

Thank you for your agreement with the understanding that the concept that the complex structure of the universe demonstrates a pattern of design and not just what would be expected from random natural occurrences. I have found that as people in this world proceed down a path of search for understanding they tend to gain beliefs some of which are likely to be true and some are...

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Peter Jackson replied on Mar. 1, 2017 @ 10:36 GMT
Paul

Thanks for your thorough response. On RNA, I identify a 'mutation' (evolution) not creation mechanism, equivalent to people having to decide if they're spinning clockwise or anti clockwise with Earth when standing exactly on the equator. Both answers may result in that case. There IS a mechanism for forming RNA (see below) but I don't discuss it, and it can't rule out a greater...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 3, 2017 @ 19:17 GMT
Dear Peter,

If a Schrodinger sphere actually exists in nature, and not just as a mathematical construction, what is it composed of and how does it actually function to produce that helical path? How can it be observed? In your theory what limits the speed of light to C? Generally pair production creates a matter particle and its antimatter particle. These particles would normally either...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 1, 2017 @ 01:08 GMT
Dear Paul

Thank you for all your elaborate replies. FQXi computer system did not show the replies. I was checking my essay every 12 hours, for the last many days. I was using the option in tab Order posts by: … most recent first option only. It never showed your replies.

Today I checked in normal way, but opened the link show all replies , and found all replies to my surprise. You even wrote them on 12 Feb 2017. I am sorry for this delay and mishap.

Probably they (FQXi) have to check the software once.

I will reply all your very nice and encouraging replies and well thought observations one by one , It may take few more days…

Thank you very much for all your time and blessings…

Best Regards

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 1, 2017 @ 21:25 GMT
Dear Paul

There will other replies , which I will not be posting here,I request you to check on my paper

Thank you for all your elaborate replies. I will be keeping portion of your reply with my answer, so that it will not be confusing..

Your words…” Comment to Your first comment

I read your paper. It contains some information that seems to me to be contrary to...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Mar. 2, 2017 @ 00:55 GMT
Dear Paul,

I posted 5 replies on my essay page. You may please have a look....

Best Regards

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 22:10 GMT
Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta’s comments to me on his paper’s page:

Dear Paul

Thank you for all your elaborate replies. I will be keeping portion of your reply with my answer, so that it will not be confusing..

Your words…” Comment to your second comment

I can understand why you might say that much of what I said in this section of my comment is not...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 7, 2017 @ 18:21 GMT
Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta’s comment to me on his paper’s page:

Dear Paul,

Thank you very much for such nice question. Whatever you are thinking that is NOT a problem in Dynamic Universe Model; is not a problem at all. I am reproducing your full post here with my answers embedded; I did not remove any portion of your nice thinking and questions. Very good study....

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Alexey/Lev Burov wrote on Mar. 4, 2017 @ 05:27 GMT
Dear Paul,

I like your questions and answers and give your essay a high rating. For the philosophical contest, your thinking might be a bit too theological, but I would not reproach you for that. Accepting and appreciating your arguments, I hope you will find some more ideas in your support in our essay.

Cheers, Alexey Burov.

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 6, 2017 @ 21:13 GMT
Dear Alexey and Lev,

I read your paper and you bring out several good points in it, such as that science has a blind spot because it has neglected to develop an understanding of the connection between thought and matter, etc. The same type of blind spot exists concerning the connection between the understanding of the universe and the things concerning God. I notice that you like many...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 8, 2017 @ 01:38 GMT
Dear Paul,

I posted this on my essay, for the beautiful question you posted there.

What a wonderful analysis. Very nice question indeed! Probably my this answer will satisfy, but I still feel lot more to be discussed with you. Really wonderful…!

I kept the entire question, divided it into small appropriate parts and answered them. For further discussion please.

I...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 13, 2017 @ 00:50 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

What happens in the core or other levels in a star depends mostly on its size and mass. Small stars less than ½ the size of the sun can only fuse hydrogen because they do not have enough mass to generate the pressure and temperature needed to fuse helium. Stars the size of the sun can fuse hydrogen and helium, but can’t fuse any larger atoms, as an example. Each time...

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich wrote on Mar. 12, 2017 @ 23:11 GMT
Dear Paul N Butler!

I invite you to familiarize yourself with New Cartesian Physic

I appreciate your essay. You spent a lot of effort to write it.

If you believed in the principle of identity of space and matter of Descartes, then your essay would be even better.

I wish to see your criticism on the New Cartesian Physic, the founder of which I call myself.

The concept of moving space-matter helped me:

- The uncertainty principle Heisenberg to make the principle of definiteness of points of space-matter;

- Open the law of the constancy of the flow of forces through a closed surface is the sphere of space-matter;

- Open the law of universal attraction of Lorentz;

- Give the formula for the pressure of the Universe;

- To give a definition of gravitational mass as the flow vector of the centrifugal acceleration across the surface of the corpuscles, etc.

New Cartesian Physic has great potential in understanding the world. To show this potential in his essay I gave The way of The materialist explanation of the paranormal and the supernatural . Visit my essay and you will find something in it about New Cartesian Physic. Note my statement that our brain creates an image of the outside world no inside, and in external space. Hope you rate my essay as high as I am yours. I am waiting your post.



Sincerely,

Dizhechko Boris

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 15, 2017 @ 18:27 GMT
Dear Dizhechko,

I read your paper and find it very interesting. It is very appropriate to start your paper with the scripture quotes that you used, especially if you really understand their true meaning and significance. God describes his structure to us as: For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. He tells us that...

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Dizhechko Boris Semyonovich replied on Mar. 17, 2017 @ 11:44 GMT
Dear Paul N Butler!

Thank you for enlightening me about the Holy Trinity. You explained the concept of moving space-matter in the language of the Holy Scriptures. I'm not trying because of their sins, to preach the Word of God, as not worthy to do it. However, I wish to explore the moves of God that create our world. God has many ways and they are all infinite. They have no beginning and no end, so our world is endless.

You want to describe the world with words, but this is not enough to predict the path of God in the future – this requires mathematical formulas. New Cartesian Physic words and mathematical formulas. I hope you'll love my essay, as did I now for you.

The principle of Heisenberg in New Cartesian Physic indicates the strength of the space-matter in an infinitely small point and the softness of large areas, which allows them to take with them in our world.

All the best,

Dizhechko Boris

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 18, 2017 @ 23:21 GMT
Dear Dizhechko,

You are wise to understand that you are not worthy to preach the Word of God because you have also sinned. We are all in that condition, which is why God had his Son Jesus Christ (the Word of God) live a sinless life as a man in this world and then offer himself up to die for us, so that we could receive him as our Lord and Savior and ask God to forgive our sins in his name...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 14, 2017 @ 01:48 GMT
Dear Paul N Butler,

Wonderful reply!

You did not make the reply in parts, so this time I also will make it a single lengthy reply, I hope it will be ok for you.

Your words……….

What happens in the core or other levels in a star depends mostly on its size and mass. Small stars less than ½ the size of the sun can only fuse hydrogen because they do not have enough...

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 17, 2017 @ 18:56 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

It sounds good to discuss these things in the last week of the month, except that in about a week I need to start to work on another project and that will likely take up much of my time, so it might take me some time to get back to you each time.

I believe that some gravitational frequency shifting has been observed, but it works both ways, so when a photon approaches a large star the frequency would shift up, but when it later began to go away from the star it would be shifted down again and I believe that the up shift would not be enough to produce all of those matter particles.

I will wait for your contact then.

Does Hindu philosophy give any information about what God’s purpose was for creating the universe and if that purpose includes man in any way?

Sincerely,

Paul



Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Mar. 18, 2017 @ 10:20 GMT
Hi Paul,

We will discuss later also after the contest....

Best

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snp.gupta@gmail.com

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 20, 2017 @ 06:51 GMT
Dear Paul,

I forgot where you put your equations, can you please send me again....

Best

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Mar. 21, 2017 @ 00:38 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

I am not sure what you are asking for. Everything that I have sent to you is in both my and your paper’s pages. You should be able to find it there.

Sincerely,

Paul



Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Mar. 21, 2017 @ 23:31 GMT
Ok Thank you,

i was asking about the electrochemical reaction equations for formation of elements. But any way....

One part of the questions I already answered on the second day, for which I asked a little time.

I will try for the second set of questions (electrochemical reaction equations for formation of elements), which I am working out. I will send that for your perusal ASAP................

Kind regards

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Mar. 28, 2017 @ 06:45 GMT
Dear Paul,

I am uploading a paper whose Abstract and title are given below.....

Nucleosynthesis after frequency shifting in electromagnetic radiation near gravitating masses in Dynamic Universe Model

Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta (SNP Gupta)

Retired Assistant General Manager, Bhilai Steel Plant,

Res 1B / Street 57 / Sector 8 / Bhilai 490008

snp.gupta@gmail.com

Abstract: This paper is further to Dynamic Universe Model studies of the “light rays and other electromagnetic radiation” passing grazingly near any gravitating mass changes its frequency .This change in frequency will depend on relative direction of movement between mass and radiation. All these particles like “neutrinos, positrons, electrons, protons and neutrons” behave like waves also. We should remember the wave particle duality. Hence frequency enhancing is applicable here also. So in other words change in frequency can go further to converting radiation into matter like micro particles as stated above. Here in this paper we will discuss further into different element formations. And we will see some possible electrochemical reactions that are possible at high temperature and pressure for formation of these different elements.

Keywords: Dynamic Universe Model, Hubble Space telescope (HST), SITA simulations , singularity-free cosmology, Blue shifted Galaxies , Red shifted Galaxies, Grazing radiation frequency changes, Formation of Elements, Nucleosynthesis

attachments: VDUMOC7_ref_FQXi_Nucleosynthesis.doc

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Mar. 28, 2017 @ 23:12 GMT
Dear Paul,

I uploaded the full paper with Dynamic Universe Model Math to viXra. Now I got the web link address

http://viXra.org/abs/1703.0263

Hope you will have look and give your esteemed comments...

Best regards

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 09:39 GMT
Dear Paul N Butler,

Thank you very much for studying my new paper and giving some fast comments. You are confusing a bit. They are no problems at all… I am repeating my first post here

…………… Your words……….

……………………. I looked at your paper and the biggest problems that I see are ones that I have already mentioned to you earlier in the...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 10:09 GMT
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Dear Paul N Butler,

Thank you very much for studying my new paper and giving some fast comments. You are confusing a bit. They are no problems at all……………… Your words……….

……………………. 2. The second problem is that the middle range atoms that are produced in stars as by products of the fusion processes that take place in them cannot be broken...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 11:24 GMT
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Dear Paul N Butler,

…………… Your words……….……………………. There are two things that are built into the most basic structure of our current universe that cause things to work in this way and they cannot be overcome or changed without completely changing the structure of the universe and that is something that man will never be able to do. They are: ....

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 13:57 GMT
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Dear Paul,

…………… Your words………. ……………………. 2. Motion entities that exist in higher density areas tend to disperse into locations of lower density. This is largely due to the fact that any entity that travels toward the center of density is likely to enter into an interaction that will change its direction of travel, but one that travels away from the center of density is less likely to interact with another entity, so it will likely be able to continue in its path away from the high density area. …………..Reply……………….

Non uniform density of masses (energy)is one of the fundamental axioms of Dynamic Universe Model

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…………… Your words……….……………………. This is why the motions that are freed up in the fusion process are radiated away from the star and don’t just stay in it. Space is very large and if you dispersed al of the energy photons evenly throughout it, the energy density would be very low everywhere. Also, living creatures not only require energy, but require differences in energy to function and man requires these differences to power his machines, etc. We live by transferring motions (energy) from entities that possess greater motion amplitude (speed) to those with less motion amplitude and in the process we extract desirable work to function and to build the things that we build. No matter how much energy was available we could not survive if it was evenly distributed everywhere. …………..Reply……………….

No Isotropy; No Homogeneity; No Space-time continuum; Non-uniform density of matter(Universe is lumpy); Non uniform density of energy etc are some of the fundamental axioms of Dynamic Universe Model

Best

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 14:23 GMT
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Dear Paul,

…………… Your words………. …………………….That is why this part of entropy is so detrimental to man and all living creatures. As man transfers motion from entities that contain larger amounts of motions to those that have less motions in order to extract the desired work from those motions, he also contributes to entropy item number one above and because some of that motion always gets dissipated into space in the form of energy photons, etc. he also contributes to entropy item number two above also. …………..Reply……………….

Ok

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…………… Your words………. …………………….The natural world works the same way. In order for it to do the work of reversing the fusion reactions of stars, all of the original motion content that was present in the hydrogen atoms would have to be added back in from some other higher energy source and in addition to that extra energy would need to be added from that source to allow for the amount that would go into the energy dispersion that would occur as part of the process. You have not given such a higher energy source in your theory. …………..Reply……………….

All the stars are my energy sources. No single energy source is possible.

Best

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 3, 2017 @ 14:52 GMT
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Dear Paul

…………… Your words……….

…………………….The gravity shifting that you mention in your theory would not work because of the equal down shifting that would occur when the photon traveled away from the gravity source and there is no other such source present in nature either. …………..Reply……………….

Thank you very much for giving so elaborate study on my new paper. The frequency change happens due to gravity of star mass, not due to relative direction of movement between grazing light ray and the star. You are confusing a bit. They are no problems at all…

Here you are talking about the Gravitational redshift, this is a much smaller effect. What Dynamic Universe Model proposes happens on the light rays that goes GRAZINGLY near some gravitational mass. See my first reply for full details and equations.

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…………… Your words………. …………………….There are some other problems also, but I don’t want to cover too much at a time because you seem to not be able to follow that many. There are, of course, also some good things in your theory, but it is not worth going into them until the above mentioned road blocks are removed. …………..Reply……………….

I repeat that the gravitational field will act as some brake on the energy of the incoming light ray. There will be a lot of difference between ‘speed of star’ and ‘speed of light.’

Please feel free to give any other problems also, we can discuss. I hope by now all the road blocks are removed.

Best Regards

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Author Paul N Butler replied on Apr. 19, 2017 @ 15:00 GMT
Dear Satyavarapu,

I believe that in an earlier comment to you I said that it looks like there is some observational evidence by man that gravitational red and blue shifts are generated in photons as they pass through gravitational fields. As I looked into it a little more, however, I found that it has not yet been determined either way in all of man’s experiments that I have seen so far....

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Apr. 21, 2017 @ 02:50 GMT
Dear Paul,

Thank you for remembering my essay even after the contest virtually (voting) ends!

I am giving detailed replies to your post in my essay..

Best Regards

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta wrote on Apr. 21, 2017 @ 11:44 GMT
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Dear Paul,

Thank you for your valuable time you are spending on this essay… I am making your observation into small posts and posting them as usual…..

…………… Your words……….

……………………. I believe that in an earlier comment to you I said that it looks like there is some observational evidence by man that gravitational red and blue...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Apr. 21, 2017 @ 11:50 GMT
Dear Paul,

3.

…………… Your words……….

…………………….The problem is that there are two main theories and some variations of both of them. One of those theories is that the photon’s frequency is increased (blue shifted) as it travels from a lower field strength area into a higher field strength area and decreased (red shifted) as it passes from a higher field strength area into a lower field strength area as it travels through the gravitational field. …………..Reply……………….

Gravitational redshift

4.

…………… Your words……….

……………………. The other theory is that the photon’s frequency is shifted at the time it is emitted and received and is not shifted at all during its travel. …………..Reply……………….

Present day Bigbang is based on this principle

5.

…………… Your words……….

……………………. Although it is possible to determine which theory is the correct one (one method requires the ability to generate gravity fields and to turn them on and off as desired, which man in this world cannot currently do, as an example), man in this world has apparently not yet made that determination. …………..Reply……………….

Yes you are correct, it is not possible today.

Remember Jules Verne the famous science fiction writer in his novel “From earth to moon” in 1865, uses a similar concept. In his spherical travelling ship he can shield gravitation field. There the travellers or astronauts can open a window to activate gravity in that direction and their ship will move in that direction ….

Similarly no gravity shields were found till today!

I will continue

Best

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Apr. 21, 2017 @ 11:55 GMT
Dear Paul,

6.

…………… Your words……….

……………………. I must, therefore, stay within the bounds of man’s current technological advancement level as much as I can, so I can’t go farther into that area with you at this point. It looks like the above mentioned red and blue shifts are the ones that you consider small compared to the large blue shift that...

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Satyavarapu Naga Parameswara Gupta replied on Apr. 21, 2017 @ 12:49 GMT
Dear Paul,

9.

…………… Your words……….

……………………. I believe that many experiments have been done during total eclipses of the sun for various reasons, such as to measure the curvature of photons in gravitational fields, etc., so the data may already be there if spectroscopic readings were done. The data for the stars when they are not aligned closely with the sun should be even more readily available. …………..Reply……………….

I will search internet for such results. I will try to check in this direction also, and thank you for all this support. I will surely let you know if I find any old experiment giving such result.

10.

…………… Your words……….

……………………. I do not currently have time to check it out because of the other project that I am currently working on now, so I will leave that up to you to check out. I would like to know what you find out about it, however.

…………..Reply……………….

What is the project you are working currently?

I will continue...

Best

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