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This is a toy model of dark energy.

Lee Bloomquist is a retired Engineer, who also worked as an industrial researcher. He learned of the theory of information in this paper (Jon Barwise's informationalism) from organizing a workshop at Stanford's Center for the Study of Language and Information with Keith Devlin and Ted Goranson: The...

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Lee,

Many thanks for an interesting read. I had to study it a little while to understand your nomenclature but it is worthwhile.

Your essay seems to argue that an object has a physical property that allows it to predict the future! To some, this might seem impossible, but to me, this seems very possible. You might find my essay to be interesting in this regard. I will combine your...

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Many thanks for an interesting read. I had to study it a little while to understand your nomenclature but it is worthwhile.

Your essay seems to argue that an object has a physical property that allows it to predict the future! To some, this might seem impossible, but to me, this seems very possible. You might find my essay to be interesting in this regard. I will combine your...

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Thanks Gary. Looks like you are interested in the Division Algebras. They are fascinating. Division let's you say things about "possibility." If that interests you, there's something about it in the first section of a paper you can download here. I wonder what it would mean for the wave functions you are studying.

Dear Mr. Bloomquist,

All visible objects have a real surface. As I have thoughtfully pointed out in my brilliant essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY, the real Universe consists only of one unified visible infinite surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. Reality am NOT guesswork.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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All visible objects have a real surface. As I have thoughtfully pointed out in my brilliant essay, SCORE ONE FOR SIMPLICITY, the real Universe consists only of one unified visible infinite surface occurring in one infinite dimension, that am always illuminated by infinite non-surface light. Reality am NOT guesswork.

Joe Fisher, Realist

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Thanks for commenting, Joe. Reminds me of-- "Darkness sees no light and light sees no darkness."

Very nice essay Bloomquest,

Very good idea and logic is good. Probably you need to make some corrections in your essay. In page 7 last para and in page 8 first and second para… You mentioned dark energy and Blackhole. These concepts not required. They are not even required in large scale universe also. Physics at large scales can be explained without these in a much better way. Probably...

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Very good idea and logic is good. Probably you need to make some corrections in your essay. In page 7 last para and in page 8 first and second para… You mentioned dark energy and Blackhole. These concepts not required. They are not even required in large scale universe also. Physics at large scales can be explained without these in a much better way. Probably...

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Thanks for commenting!

More generally the idea is to look for equations that might reveal an information channel between different parts of the same system (as when using certain maths, the Born rule can be used to construct an information channel between the nonStandardFuture and the nonStandardPast).

As another example, the equation defining proper time in terms of coordinate time...

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More generally the idea is to look for equations that might reveal an information channel between different parts of the same system (as when using certain maths, the Born rule can be used to construct an information channel between the nonStandardFuture and the nonStandardPast).

As another example, the equation defining proper time in terms of coordinate time...

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Thank you sir,

I saw that essay. It was good and nicely discussed about nicely. your words......." However, despite a great deal of evidence for the validity of this correspondence, we do not have a deep understanding of why or how spacetime/gravity emerges from the degrees of freedom of the field theory. In this essay, we will argue, based on widely accepted examples of gauge theory /...

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I saw that essay. It was good and nicely discussed about nicely. your words......." However, despite a great deal of evidence for the validity of this correspondence, we do not have a deep understanding of why or how spacetime/gravity emerges from the degrees of freedom of the field theory. In this essay, we will argue, based on widely accepted examples of gauge theory /...

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Dear Lee

this is a very interesting essay. I very much like the breadth of vision. And I agree very much about Feynman and wandering.

Two specific issues. First, your concept of the origin of dark energy may relate to a very interesting paper by Thibaut Josset, Alejandro Perez, Daniel Sudarsky: arXiv:1604.04183.

Second, Probability Learning is crucial to life: it is...

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this is a very interesting essay. I very much like the breadth of vision. And I agree very much about Feynman and wandering.

Two specific issues. First, your concept of the origin of dark energy may relate to a very interesting paper by Thibaut Josset, Alejandro Perez, Daniel Sudarsky: arXiv:1604.04183.

Second, Probability Learning is crucial to life: it is...

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Professor Ellis,

First I must express my sincere respect. You have been recognized by Nelson Mandela for your opposition to apartheid. Perhaps of related interest, I have recently watched the video of a speaker in Soweto say that now South Africa has the chance to light, and lead, the world in peace.

Second, your essay demonstrates the logical equations of physics and then the...

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First I must express my sincere respect. You have been recognized by Nelson Mandela for your opposition to apartheid. Perhaps of related interest, I have recently watched the video of a speaker in Soweto say that now South Africa has the chance to light, and lead, the world in peace.

Second, your essay demonstrates the logical equations of physics and then the...

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This is a toy model of dark energy. The original motivation for building this model was to report to physicists the finding of a new mathematical object I called

New methods introduced by Jon Barwise (e.g.

Taking the idea from Bohm and Hiley in

All of which, in this essay, models dark energy as the waste stream from the above mathematical game, now seen as a thermodynamic engine. Forces between particles are in this model entropic.

For context, the mathematics which Feynman used in his famous lectures to talk about the goal of least action is "mindless" insofar as there is no decision process modeled in that mathematics, i.e. in the mathematics Feynman used there is no explicitly modeled process by which a player with intentions selects among possibilities to achieve the goal of least action. Here, the model begins with Abramsky's paper, in which at least the "possibilities" are made explicit. In the new mathematical model for wave function collapse, the mathematical model of such a decision process becomes explicit. So in this architecture, the decision process by which a choice is made among possibilities in order to achieve a goal is universal— from the Born infomorphism on up.

Which leads to a testable hypothesis—

Dr. Bloomquist,

I enjoyed your thought-provoking essay which attaches human emotions to particles and stars:

"The toy model says we are all the same in the Universe: star- dust, stars, particles, human beings— all are driven by unconscious fear of some kind. And for human beings in the current world situation— this is a problem. Many important choices seem to be largely based on...

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I enjoyed your thought-provoking essay which attaches human emotions to particles and stars:

"The toy model says we are all the same in the Universe: star- dust, stars, particles, human beings— all are driven by unconscious fear of some kind. And for human beings in the current world situation— this is a problem. Many important choices seem to be largely based on...

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Richard, Thank you so much for commenting. There are a lot of interesting essays in this contest-- including yours. And, it's clear to me that you are enjoying your work! I hope that some gifted experimentalists get interested. Very Best Regards, Lee

Dear Lee Bloomquist

I inform all the participants that use the electronic translator, therefore, my essay is written badly. I participate in the contest to familiarize English-speaking scientists with New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the principle of identity of space and matter. Combining space and matter into a single essence, the New Cartesian Physic is able to integrate modern...

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I inform all the participants that use the electronic translator, therefore, my essay is written badly. I participate in the contest to familiarize English-speaking scientists with New Cartesian Physic, the basis of which the principle of identity of space and matter. Combining space and matter into a single essence, the New Cartesian Physic is able to integrate modern...

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Thank you Dizhechko Boris,

"self = (thinking, self)"

"self = (thinking, self)"

Hello Lee,

I enjoyed your essay. In a way it brings things full circle from my own more literary take. Science began by taking mind out of matter, but if you're right, will conclude by having brought it back in.

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2817

Best of luck,

Rick Searle

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I enjoyed your essay. In a way it brings things full circle from my own more literary take. Science began by taking mind out of matter, but if you're right, will conclude by having brought it back in.

http://fqxi.org/community/forum/topic/2817

Best of luck,

Rick Searle

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Thank you Rick.

"Being is thinking and being." -Parmenides

"Being is thinking and being." -Parmenides

Dear Bloomquest,

I enjoyed your essay.

Very good idea and logic is good. I think that your idea is to look for equations that might reveal an information channel.

And also I like this phrase that

“This is a toy model of dark energy. The original motivation for building this model was to report to physicists the finding of a new mathematical object I called the Born infomorphism, a transmission of information from the nonstandard future into the nonstandard past involving the Born rule and a nonstandard model of time…”

With Best Regards,

Ch.Bayarsaikhan

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I enjoyed your essay.

Very good idea and logic is good. I think that your idea is to look for equations that might reveal an information channel.

And also I like this phrase that

“This is a toy model of dark energy. The original motivation for building this model was to report to physicists the finding of a new mathematical object I called the Born infomorphism, a transmission of information from the nonstandard future into the nonstandard past involving the Born rule and a nonstandard model of time…”

With Best Regards,

Ch.Bayarsaikhan

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"I think that your idea is to look for equations that might reveal an information channel."

Dear Ch.Bayarsaikhan,

Thank you for your comment!

Yes, it does seem to me that the equation for the Born rule in David Bohm's book on Quantum Theory and the equation defining proper time in terms of coordinate time— both— support "local logic" for respective infomorphisms: the former involving an information channel from the nonStandard future into the nonStandard past, the latter an information channel from this process into a locally flat piece of spacetime and therefore into a local quantum field, the slight curvature between such local fields then being the result of escaped hidden energy from this process. It would be like a "thermodynamic Computer Automaton"— as in this video about the CA Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics by G. 't Hooft. But instead of linking a CA to each location of space as 't Hooft describes, I would see a "thermodynamic CA" in each of these particle-related processes.

Then the particle-as-object is like the continuous flow that we see in a motion picture comprising discrete image frames. Everything we physically perceive is technically the past like this, not the present. Because it takes time for the brain to assemble and process the incoming information from the discrete frames. So all of our intuition is based on this image of the past, which we think of as the present. Hence discrete images from the thermodynamic CA create an image recorded in the past of a continuously existing object— which we perceive as the classical, continuously existing "particle." The wave nature exists as a field of possibilities in the future, which we perceive only through our mathematical imagination, and not our physical perception as we do the past. In this way the "thermodynamic CA" is both wave and particle.

Granted, using the "hidden" character of this energy as it must be in order to support the game required, in terms of mathematical game theory, may be a stretch. But I suspect that we are approaching the limit of our ability to understand the Universe, and at this limit, the mathematical methods become sparse. This is my justification for saying that because this energy must be hidden for the mathematical game to work— therefore it must be "dark" in terms of the current mathematical methods.

Very Best Regards!

L

Dear Ch.Bayarsaikhan,

Thank you for your comment!

Yes, it does seem to me that the equation for the Born rule in David Bohm's book on Quantum Theory and the equation defining proper time in terms of coordinate time— both— support "local logic" for respective infomorphisms: the former involving an information channel from the nonStandard future into the nonStandard past, the latter an information channel from this process into a locally flat piece of spacetime and therefore into a local quantum field, the slight curvature between such local fields then being the result of escaped hidden energy from this process. It would be like a "thermodynamic Computer Automaton"— as in this video about the CA Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics by G. 't Hooft. But instead of linking a CA to each location of space as 't Hooft describes, I would see a "thermodynamic CA" in each of these particle-related processes.

Then the particle-as-object is like the continuous flow that we see in a motion picture comprising discrete image frames. Everything we physically perceive is technically the past like this, not the present. Because it takes time for the brain to assemble and process the incoming information from the discrete frames. So all of our intuition is based on this image of the past, which we think of as the present. Hence discrete images from the thermodynamic CA create an image recorded in the past of a continuously existing object— which we perceive as the classical, continuously existing "particle." The wave nature exists as a field of possibilities in the future, which we perceive only through our mathematical imagination, and not our physical perception as we do the past. In this way the "thermodynamic CA" is both wave and particle.

Granted, using the "hidden" character of this energy as it must be in order to support the game required, in terms of mathematical game theory, may be a stretch. But I suspect that we are approaching the limit of our ability to understand the Universe, and at this limit, the mathematical methods become sparse. This is my justification for saying that because this energy must be hidden for the mathematical game to work— therefore it must be "dark" in terms of the current mathematical methods.

Very Best Regards!

L

ADDENDUM—

It's been said that writing is learning. Hemingway re-wrote one of his endings 47 times and according to this idea, he was simply learning what he wanted to say. For me writing this essay has been learning about the Born infomorphism and the associated proper time for the individual particle. Then after writing the essay, writing comments has been learning about N particles. Specifically I have been learning about this question:

If there's a Born infomorphism for N particles, what physically specifies the worldline of the associated proper time?

In the Schrödinger equation for N particles, there is just one time for the system of N particles and not multiple proper times, one for each particle. Then— is this one time in the Schrödinger equation the proper time for the system of N particles— is it the proper time for the system of N particles, which holds the Born infomorphism for the system? For support I look to Richard Feynman:

In Space-Time Approach to Non-Relativistic Quantum Mechanics, Richard Feynman wrote, "The formulation is mathematically equivalent to the more usual formulations. There are, therefore, no fundamentally new results…The total contribution from all paths reaching x, t from the past is the wave function Ψ(x,t). This is shown to satisfy Schroedinger's equation."

Rather than finding something like "1+2 = 3 is the same as 2+1=3," Feynman seems to have discovered, here, an "information channel" from the entangled system of N particles to the their quantum fields as represented by a Feynman diagram of the N particles. But Feynman didn't use mathematics to describe the information channel he'd discovered— instead he used natural language, as above.

In this essay, I used some mathematics to describe an information channel. To show that an information channel exists, I first have to show that an infomorphism exists. Which means showing there are two functions or arrows pointing in opposite directions, with heads connected to tails by each pointing to a respective situation, each situation supporting infons or elements of information from which the respective function or arrow originates— altogether meaning that the information supported in the one situation is connected by these arrows to the information supported in the other situation. The arrows take you back and forth in a closed circuit to the same information, with two equivalent translations. (Please see the diagram attached to this comment.)

So from the proper time of the system of N entangled particles specified by the Schrödinger equation, there is an arrow to the SET (I must emphasize) of possible coordinate time frames in spacetime, where for each coordinate time frame, the usual defining equation of proper time holds.

To get the above function describing an infomorphism, an arrow must go from the proper time of the entangled system to the SET of possible coordinate time frames.

Because in the other direction, there is the arrow from spacetime to the wave function of the entangled system.

Because (recalling what I learned in the essay) the entangled wave function includes not only possibilities in space but also possibilities in spin (etc.).

Space is just a "part" of these possibilities.

In "part of" relations, there is a function mapping each part to the system of which it is a part.

Which determines the direction of the arrow between the two kinds situations in the infomorphism.

To get a function going in the opposite direction, as required to identify an informorphism, there must also be a function from the proper time of the entangled system of N particles to the SET of possible coordinate time frames in spacetime.

Then to obtain Bohr's correspondence principle, which ultimately enabled Newton to have calculated using centers of mass (which don't exist in relativity), the worldline associated with proper time of the entangled system must be attached to the Fokker-Pryce center of inertia. About which, Pryce wrote, "Of these only one is independent of the frame in which it is defined. It suffers from the disadvantage that its components do not commute (in classical mechanics, do not have zero Poisson brackets), and are therefore unsuitable as generalized co-ordinates in mechanics."

Which "unsuitability" seems compatible with the idea of space emerging or depending upon entangled possibilities— and not the other way around.

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It's been said that writing is learning. Hemingway re-wrote one of his endings 47 times and according to this idea, he was simply learning what he wanted to say. For me writing this essay has been learning about the Born infomorphism and the associated proper time for the individual particle. Then after writing the essay, writing comments has been learning about N particles. Specifically I have been learning about this question:

If there's a Born infomorphism for N particles, what physically specifies the worldline of the associated proper time?

In the Schrödinger equation for N particles, there is just one time for the system of N particles and not multiple proper times, one for each particle. Then— is this one time in the Schrödinger equation the proper time for the system of N particles— is it the proper time for the system of N particles, which holds the Born infomorphism for the system? For support I look to Richard Feynman:

In Space-Time Approach to Non-Relativistic Quantum Mechanics, Richard Feynman wrote, "The formulation is mathematically equivalent to the more usual formulations. There are, therefore, no fundamentally new results…The total contribution from all paths reaching x, t from the past is the wave function Ψ(x,t). This is shown to satisfy Schroedinger's equation."

Rather than finding something like "1+2 = 3 is the same as 2+1=3," Feynman seems to have discovered, here, an "information channel" from the entangled system of N particles to the their quantum fields as represented by a Feynman diagram of the N particles. But Feynman didn't use mathematics to describe the information channel he'd discovered— instead he used natural language, as above.

In this essay, I used some mathematics to describe an information channel. To show that an information channel exists, I first have to show that an infomorphism exists. Which means showing there are two functions or arrows pointing in opposite directions, with heads connected to tails by each pointing to a respective situation, each situation supporting infons or elements of information from which the respective function or arrow originates— altogether meaning that the information supported in the one situation is connected by these arrows to the information supported in the other situation. The arrows take you back and forth in a closed circuit to the same information, with two equivalent translations. (Please see the diagram attached to this comment.)

So from the proper time of the system of N entangled particles specified by the Schrödinger equation, there is an arrow to the SET (I must emphasize) of possible coordinate time frames in spacetime, where for each coordinate time frame, the usual defining equation of proper time holds.

To get the above function describing an infomorphism, an arrow must go from the proper time of the entangled system to the SET of possible coordinate time frames.

Because in the other direction, there is the arrow from spacetime to the wave function of the entangled system.

Because (recalling what I learned in the essay) the entangled wave function includes not only possibilities in space but also possibilities in spin (etc.).

Space is just a "part" of these possibilities.

In "part of" relations, there is a function mapping each part to the system of which it is a part.

Which determines the direction of the arrow between the two kinds situations in the infomorphism.

To get a function going in the opposite direction, as required to identify an informorphism, there must also be a function from the proper time of the entangled system of N particles to the SET of possible coordinate time frames in spacetime.

Then to obtain Bohr's correspondence principle, which ultimately enabled Newton to have calculated using centers of mass (which don't exist in relativity), the worldline associated with proper time of the entangled system must be attached to the Fokker-Pryce center of inertia. About which, Pryce wrote, "Of these only one is independent of the frame in which it is defined. It suffers from the disadvantage that its components do not commute (in classical mechanics, do not have zero Poisson brackets), and are therefore unsuitable as generalized co-ordinates in mechanics."

Which "unsuitability" seems compatible with the idea of space emerging or depending upon entangled possibilities— and not the other way around.

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First I assume it can be inferred from 't Hooft's paper (above) that

Then for an algorithm implementing a stream, there would exist in the mathematical models two functions:

(1) a function from the stream to a set of types, which would be the possible types of an element of the stream.

For example—

which produces the stream of elements:

Which requires a function from

Where an element produced by the

(2) As well— for each cycle of

and so on.

Then if we see these functions in the mathematical model, by the assumed inference from 't Hooft's work on Cellular Automata, we can infer that an algorithm exists— in this case, an algorithm that generates a stream.

In the

This set is then like the above set used to define the types of

And in that case, we are just one step away from finding an algorithm— which from the assumed inference based on 't Hooft, would underlie Hilbert space.

The next step:

Find the second function, as above, which maps each cycle of the stream to an actual instance of type specified in the set.

(In the essay, this is apparent in the Born infomorphism for the 3-valued Chu space suggested by Abramsky.)

More later.

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