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December 15, 2017

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TOPIC: Plasma Tubes in the Sky [refresh]
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FQXi Administrator Zeeya Merali wrote on Jun. 3, 2015 @ 15:50 GMT
Thanks to Georgina Parry for spotting this article about a young Australia scientist at the University of Sydney, Cleo Loi--an undergraduate, in fact--who has discovered that giant, invisible, moving plasma tubes fill the sky.

From news.com.au:

"By using a radio telescope in the West Australian outback to see space in 3D, Ms Loi has proven that the Earth’s atmosphere is embedded with these strangely shaped, tubular plasma structures. The complex, multilayered ducts are created by the atmosphere being ionised by sunlight. “For over 60 years, scientists believed these structures existed, but by imaging them for the first time, we’ve provided visual evidence that they are really there,” said Ms Loi."

You can see Loi describing her discovery on the site.

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John R. Cox wrote on Jun. 3, 2015 @ 19:23 GMT
Georgi and Zeeya,

"Fascinating", thanks for finding and sharing!

Faraday would be proud of Cleo Loi, and her simple description is well stated where she says that the ionized tubular structures not only align with magnetic field lines, but 'And they can move on their own accord.' The field lines are differentiated from an otherwise continuous homogeneous field by the aggregate domains interacting in the complex of both earth as magneto and atmosphere as conductor, and the continual reshaping of the structures being a second order of those effects (Jump right in here, Pete!). But the motion 'of their own accord' goes directly to classical randominity of a continuum in a state of diffeomorphism (Hallelujah, Tom!).

Great Find! Georgina, there's lots to see here! It's going to be (or should be) great fun to watch and learn. Thanks for highlighting it, Zeeya. jrc

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Akinbo Ojo wrote on Jun. 4, 2015 @ 11:01 GMT
A truly impressive discovery. Thanks to Georgina and Zeeya.

In addition to Ms Loi proving: "...that the Earth’s atmosphere is embedded with these strangely shaped, tubular plasma structures. The complex, multilayered ducts are created by the atmosphere being ionised by sunlight", I came across this article today, 'Dark matter’s deep reach' in a Nigerian newspaper, with credits...

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John R. Cox replied on Jun. 4, 2015 @ 17:15 GMT
Akinbo,

Glad you like it, too. The likes of you and I however seem too niave to many with the accume to discuss and mathematically analyse the phenomenon, to expend their expertise on it. But I would hope that Zeeya would see fit to engage their interest and expertise by making this a Blog Topic.

Zeeya,

Please consider Ms. Loi's accomplishment as topic for a new Blog. Here, after decades of theorizing, both in QM and classically, prediction has been confirmed. The tubular structures give a better and more easily accessible and measurable experimental paradigm than the similar phenomenon at extremely high energies observed in solar flare research. Plus it is very provocative of possible theoretical application to the debate as to whether there physically exists a boundary between the Quantum and classical realms. For here we find visually modeled interface between the electromagnetic and the macroscopic molecular reaction in the ionization process, playing out in the formation of isobars in the magnetic field domain frame! At laboratory levels of energy! The whole model of the electron's nondifferentiated polarity, only exhibiting one of the arbitrary operational definitions of *charge*, is on stage. I still like Einstein's modest remark, 'I would just like to know what an electron is.' Must only extreme conditions and high energy be the only dignified areas of foundational research? jrc

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Georgina Woodward replied on Jun. 5, 2015 @ 02:05 GMT
Hi John ,

I agree it is really interesting on a number of levels.

Quote:"It is to Cleo's great credit that she not only discovered this but also convinced the rest of the scientific community. As an undergraduate student with no prior background in this, that is an impressive achievement, " said Dr Murphy, also of CAASTRO and the School of Physics at the University of Sydney."

Yes, what a great role model for young physicists.

This interests me: "Ms Loi said the drifting plasma tubes could distort astronomical data, especially satellite-based navigation systems. It may also mean we need to re-evaluate our thinking about how galaxies, stars and clouds of gas behave and what they look like."

So the visible universe could get a makeover : )

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John R. Cox replied on Jun. 5, 2015 @ 02:59 GMT
Georgina,

Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.

What you seem to be trying to bridge with definitions of reality through the filter of human perception, might be like being a 'ray' of light encountering the ions fluctuating in a tubular structure. What that might reveal is very tantalizing. :-) jrc

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Georgina Woodward wrote on Jun. 7, 2015 @ 07:08 GMT
Hi John, Akinbo,

John thank you for your replies, I do appreciate you having taken the time. I am glad I have clarified what I have been doing but am also sorry for sidetracking this discussion spot. Thanks for the questions Akinbo.

There is a paper published in Geophysical research letters " Real-time imaging of density ducts between the plasmasphere and ionosphere":25 May 2015 but that doesn't seem to be freely accessible. So to see the reference list someone would need access to that Journal. I think to find out the background might take a bit of searching. I have just come across " An Introduction to Plasma Astrophysics and Magnetohydrodynamics" By Marcel Goossens, which talks about magnetic flux tubes in chapter 4 but how enlightening regarding this new work I don't know.

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John R. Cox replied on Jun. 7, 2015 @ 17:25 GMT
Georgina,

I know a woman whom all called 'Georgi' since high school, and her husband was an acquaintance also. Both are unpretentious, self-reliant, hard working and conscientious. Back then there was a Pop song 'Georgi Girl' that was light, lively and encouraging of young women to become all that they were capable being and wanting. So If I slip and address you in a presumed familiarity,...

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Georgina Woodward replied on Jun. 8, 2015 @ 02:38 GMT
Dear John,

rest assured I am not offended by any variants of my name.I have just chosen to use my given name as it was given.

You have given me lots to think about. Describing an unobserved object is a bit tricky because the description involves imposing coordinates. As you mentioned using quaternions there is this and that hemisphere whereas the unseen object itself is entirely...

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John R. Cox replied on Jun. 8, 2015 @ 15:35 GMT
Georgina,

Believe it or not, I have been able somewhat to follow your argument of substantial versus emergent reality and your perspective of Relativity(s). And it bears reminding oneself that Einstein himself felt saddled with the term and reiterated that what was relative, was simultaneity. His argument was that the Newtonian concept in Descartes orthogonal co-ordinate system, of a...

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